You Will Not Believe What Is In Obamacare Bill

[red states rule]

More things in the Obamacare bill. Read them and try to explain why these are good things


Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

and

http://economicpolicyjournal.com/

[Gaffer]

In other word the health care plan puts everything and everybody under government control. No wonder he's so anxious to get all this passed and they don't want it read.

The riots and demonstrations may start before 2010.

[red states rule]

In other word the health care plan puts everything and everybody under government control. No wonder he's so anxious to get all this passed and they don't want it read.

The riots and demonstrations may start before 2010.

You got that right Gaffer. Anyone who thinks these clowns give a rat's ass about our health care is sadly mistaken. This whole damn thing is nothing but a smoke screen to hide another one of their taxes. Want proof?

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines would raise around $36 billion over 10 years

I am waiting to see what the Obama lovers have to say abouth what is in this bill. I doubt if they will comment - the facts are way much for them to overcome

[Gaffer]

What's in the bill is way more than taxes or health care. It's freedom, period. That bill is designed to take all our liberties.

I said before, gotta watch who rides in on the dark lords coat tails. Well they are starting to show themselves.

Remember the film of saddam, sitting in his parliament building, smoking a cigar and laughing as he called out the names of his opponents and his minions dragged them out to be executed. It's coming soon to a congress near you.

[red states rule]

What's in the bill is way more than taxes or health care. It's freedom, period. That bill is designed to take all our liberties.

I said before, gotta watch who rides in on the dark lords coat tails. Well they are starting to show themselves.

Remember the film of saddam, sitting in his parliament building, smoking a cigar and laughing as he called out the names of his opponents and his minions dragged them out to be executed. It's coming soon to a congress near you.

Some in the Dem party are coming to their senses. Now this guy is a prime target for Obama and his Chief of Shaft



Dem Representative Admits: Obama Has Become a Political Liability
Worst. Socialist. President. Ever.
Representative Dan Boren (D-OK) admits Barack Obama is becoming a political liability...
But, he has voted with him 81% of the time anyway.
The Politico reported:


Rep. Dan Boren, a conservative Democrat in the reddest state in America, Oklahoma, says in the bluntest terms imaginable that President Obama has become a political liability:


“Barack Obama is very unpopular,” said Boren, who represents Oklahoma’s 2nd Congressional District. “He got 34 percent of the vote statewide, and less in our district. If he were to run for re-election today, I bet it would be even worse.”

Boren points out that he does support some of Obama’s initiatives, like the economic stimulus package. He has voted for Obama-supported bills 81 percent of the time, according to a recent Congressional Quarterly study. But despite this, he said the president is too liberal.

Remember: There is no such a thing as a blue-dog democrat-- But certain liberals do vote occasionally with the GOP to stay in power.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/dem-representative-admits-obama-has.html

[Mr. P]

This number is to the Capital switchboard, with your zip code they'll transfer you to your rep...


WE CAN KILL THIS LEGISLATION!!
CALL!
1-877-sobusob (762-8762)

[Insein]

I love the description of the bill.


To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans
and reduce the growth in health care spending, and
for other purposes.

What are those other purposes? I guess alot of the above mentioned communist power grab tactics are clearly defined as "other purposes" right up front.

[namvet]

and the doctors??? some have already walked. if this pass's good chance the majority will walk. fine with pigs in DC. saves em $$$ they'll just stick you with the quacks.

[Mr. P]

This number is to the Capital switchboard, with your zip code they'll transfer you to your rep...


WE CAN KILL THIS LEGISLATION!!
CALL!
1-877-sobusob (762-8762)

I see back room surgery in the future if this gets passed. Think coat hanger abortions cept other stuff. People will die!!!

[namvet]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061030/11349__frankenstein_l.jpg

meet your new doctor !!!!

[Gaffer]

Would be interesting if all the doctors went on strike.

[namvet]

Would be interesting if all the doctors went on strike.

and the excessive number of hearse's at the hospitals

[Binky]

Does anyone other than myself have a knot tightening in their stomach with the things our government is doing? I smell a tighter grip on the citizens in the horizon. Our freedoms are evaporating.

[Gaffer]

Does anyone other than myself have a knot tightening in their stomach with the things our government is doing? I smell a tighter grip on the citizens in the horizon. Our freedoms are evaporating.

There's a war coming my dear. Withing the next year it will be starting. They want complete total control of every citizen in the country. There will be lots of blood spilled.

[namvet]

Does anyone other than myself have a knot tightening in their stomach with the things our government is doing? I smell a tighter grip on the citizens in the horizon. Our freedoms are evaporating.

its no longer the vote that counts. its the counting of the vote. yes we've been royally had. never thought i'd live to see this happen. our own gov declaring war on us. but that goes 2 ways.

[namvet]

There's a war coming my dear. Withing the next year it will be starting. They want complete total control of every citizen in the country. There will be lots of blood spilled.

I totally agree. a civil war is on the horizon.

[emmett]

There's a war coming my dear. Withing the next year it will be starting. They want complete total control of every citizen in the country. There will be lots of blood spilled.


I wouold certainly hope not. Seems a bit hasty to assume blood must be spilled over a matter that we ourselves caused.

In 1995 Harry Browne predicted EXACTLY what is happening now. When he was running for president he was ignored as a smiling nice guy lunatic whacko Libertarian who could not win. Admittedly.....he didn;t. Conservatives laughed him off and refused his message. Now Republicans, who I dare say are conservative any longer bitch and ramble about what is happening.

In America we have allowed ourselves to think in a two sided manner. It has gotten us to this. Neither side has the answer and yet we continue to insist that "we", depending on the side......DO! Remember it was on a Republican watch that all this shit started. Bill Clinton handed Mr. bush a pretty good economical prospectus. I hate to admit it because I was no Bill Clinton fan....but he did. Along with it came the hidden time bombs built into it. GW chose dumb people, kept Greenspan (who is a big part of the REAL reason for this shit), and refused to concentrate enough attention to the focus of Housing and FM & FM that was necessary.

If we would stayed out of that damn war we would not be here and Republicans know it. They won't admit it and neither will the Republicans on here. Most don;t even know who Harry Browne was.

Libertarians have the most defined and easy to understand form of Government in existance. It almost replicates the Government used at the time of our beginnings.

Democrats are about to turn the country into a Socialist haven for the common good. Republicans let it happen and y'all know it. You folks had better smarten up before it is really too late. I harped and harped for four years about how important it was to learn about the Libertarian Party and hopefully get you to vote that way. Now you sit back and threaten to kill your fellow Americans to stop what has happened. That's as silly as the philosophy utilized to get us in this mess. No one ever has to die. That is silly talk. CHANGE is what we need. We need REAL CHANGE! Please spare me the cowardly talk about the "no chance to win" crap you always resort to when discussing this. I wouldn;t want to know what Vegas would have put on Georgw Washington's chances to run the Red Coats out of our country.

I'm done!

[namvet]

I wouold certainly hope not. Seems a bit hasty to assume blood must be spilled over a matter that we ourselves caused.

In 1995 Harry Browne predicted EXACTLY what is happening now. When he was running for president he was ignored as a smiling nice guy lunatic whacko Libertarian who could not win. Admittedly.....he didn;t. Conservatives laughed him off and refused his message. Now Republicans, who I dare say are conservative any longer bitch and ramble about what is happening.

In America we have allowed ourselves to think in a two sided manner. It has gotten us to this. Neither side has the answer and yet we continue to insist that "we", depending on the side......DO! Remember it was on a Republican watch that all this shit started. Bill Clinton handed Mr. bush a pretty good economical prospectus. I hate to admit it because I was no Bill Clinton fan....but he did. Along with it came the hidden time bombs built into it. GW chose dumb people, kept Greenspan (who is a big part of the REAL reason for this shit), and refused to concentrate enough attention to the focus of Housing and FM & FM that was necessary.

If we would stayed out of that damn war we would not be here and Republicans know it. They won't admit it and neither will the Republicans on here. Most don;t even know who Harry Browne was.

Libertarians have the most defined and easy to understand form of Government in existance. It almost replicates the Government used at the time of our beginnings.

Democrats are about to turn the country into a Socialist haven for the common good. Republicans let it happen and y'all know it. You folks had better smarten up before it is really too late. I harped and harped for four years about how important it was to learn about the Libertarian Party and hopefully get you to vote that way. Now you sit back and threaten to kill your fellow Americans to stop what has happened. That's as silly as the philosophy utilized to get us in this mess. No one ever has to die. That is silly talk. CHANGE is what we need. We need REAL CHANGE! Please spare me the cowardly talk about the "no chance to win" crap you always resort to when discussing this. I wouldn;t want to know what Vegas would have put on Georgw Washington's chances to run the Red Coats out of our country.

I'm done!

I to am done

[Gaffer]

It's not a matter of liberal verses conservative. Or any groups. It's a matter of freedom verses oppression. There are lines being drawn and there is and will be a lot of rhetoric. And unfortunately most of the country is apathetic about what is happening to them. The media works very hard to keep them dumb and happy.

The first strike will be from the government against those that oppose them. Things will escalate slowly from there. Even the librarians will eventually have to chose a side.

After the national health bill with it's "other things" attached is pushed through congress the dark lord will establish his civilian defense force. This will consist of inner city blacks and hispanics. They will be under the control of the nation of islam, the black panthers and other muslim organizations and backed up by imported members of hamas and hizbollah. They will all swear allegiance to the dark lord himself, not the Constitution. These thugs will be patrolling the streets as augments of the police departments. It's already happening in detroit and a few other cities.

Think it's too far fetched, won't happen here, too many safe guards? Just watch.

[Obey Obey Obey]

I was listening to Alex Jones today and he taped from main stream press where a famous Dr. says that if this bill gets passed, it will be eugenics. This is a clip from yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xIDHMEVpbM

[red states rule]

Great video of what Obamacare will do the nations healthcare system


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[Trinity]

So I posted the first part of this thread from the op on facebook, and my own son who just turned 21 called me out on it.




Summarizing what will be done is not the same as listing the exact wording. All of this could just be your interpretation.


Now I have to school his ass.....:poke:


Which I did, with this......:slap:
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf


Waiting for his response back. :coffee:

[namvet]

So I posted the first part of this thread from the op on facebook, and my own son who just turned 21 called me out on it.






Now I have to school his ass.....:poke:


Which I did, with this......:slap:
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf


Waiting for his response back. :coffee:

just take his ass to the wood shed :laugh2:

[Trinity]

just take his ass to the wood shed :laugh2:

Right :laugh2: