Press Conference Report Card

[The Prof]

POSITIVES

1. Obama demonstrated dramatically improved fluency on the big issue, his vocab, tossing about of terminology. He could not have talked as tractably on the topic even one week ago.

2. Boring as hell. This is good. This is what he wanted.

3. He did a good job of expaining where we are, the need to do something. Everyone already knows all this, however.

4. His pledge to protect those with preconditions, the particular purpose of health care. Americans are outraged that those most in need are denied what they need precisely because they need it.

5. His agreement to turn over Medicare payment scheduling to a Medpac panel, supposedly independent, taking away from Pelosi and pals this pork-u-line perk. This cession to Mike Ross, Chairman of the Bluedog Health Care Task Force, yielded at Tuesday's two and a half hour private meeting at the White House, has been represented as the most promising premonition of progress. Ie, not much, in the big picture.

FACT-CHALLENGED ASSERTIONS

1. He can pay for 2/3 of his ambitions with "savings" he's somehow miraculously discovered in some magic box, presumably, hidden under a bed in the Lincoln Room, or something, which CBO, Baucus, bluedogs, Bush, etc, were obviously just too dumb to stumble upon. Two thirds of the expense to come from the areas of waste, fraud and abuse, wellness/prevention, IT... Please.

2. 98% of Americans will be covered. At a cost of $1.6T, the best that Senator Baucus the Gatekeeper could come up with was expansion of coverage to only 16 million of the estimated 50 or so mil currently uninsured.

3. 98% covered. Yes. No. Sorta. The point---the government will NOT be covering these millions of Americans. According to Obama himself, in the very language of the House plan itself, these people will be FINED if they DON'T INSURE THEMSELVES.

4. The reform will be revenue neutral. Not according to CBO. Elmendorf testified last Thursday before Baucus' Gateway Committee (Senate Finance) that the COST CURVE, instead of bending downward rather steepens its ascent---SIGNIFICANTLY.

5. It is impossible to expand coverage to some 50 million people, 1/3 of them illegals, while simultaneously reducing costs. Like an elephant in a room.

6. Obama guarantees that you can keep your coverage. Period. But he admits he hasn't read Section 102 of the house bill which specifically and clearly contradicts him.

7. Care for seniors will be improved. Tragically, this does not look to be true. End-of-life expenses appear in the very crosshairs of the president's rifle scope.

8. We only have a few issues remaining to work out. LOLOLOL!

9. The public option, which is dead, by the way, purposes to promote competition with private providers. Section 102 once more undermines Obama's assertion, as it phases out over time the option for folks who move or change jobs to go the private route.

10. The reason he's so hella hyper, he says, is to hurry help to homesteads in harm's way. Perhaps. But adults appreciate Obama's animus to rush derives more really from HIS need to get something on paper before the members recess and go home to their office phones ringing off the hook. No deadline in this town determines no deal, the president's subsequent explanation for speed, is closer to the truth. "The default position is inertia."


The Prof

[cat slave]

Id like to embrace Obamacare if he and his family were on it too!
And all the Congress! See how long that would last!

Your observations of the speech(?)are right on!

[emmett]

Keen observations indeed sir. Obamacare appears to be a recipe for failure that has been quickly wrapped in flour and thrown into not quite hot enough oil, in a dirty pan, by a poor cook and looks mushy to me.

[The Prof]

D!!!

Cat slave, my old friend!

WONDERFUL!!! to see you

RADIOGUY (!!!), you remember him---LOLOLOL!!!

his real name was jimmy, but shh (that's a SECRET)

anyway, jimmy the rg is THE MAN who first clued The pompous Prof into the skinny poop that---the HELLER AMENDMENT!!!

not only did the HELLER AMENDMENT call for implementation of E-VERIFY to make sure that only LEGAL CITIZENS of the once great US of A be included in any expansion of medical coverage envisaged by pelosi/bigears

the same HELLER AMENDMENT would have FORCED congressfolk to swallow whatever little blue pills or red pills (LOL!) they were shoving down the throats of all the rest of us

the HELLER AMENDMENT---would have made sure only citizens get the new health care, would have made congressmembers abide by whatever they intend to push on us

it failed, HELLER did, along mostly party lines, RADIOGUY told me, y'know, back in the day

i'd put up a LINK right here, i googled it, heller amendment, to confirm rg

not that i ever doubted him, just to keep youknowwho off my back---LOL!

i can't put up a link til i do 5 posts and this is only my 4th, i think

wonderful to see you, old friend

cliffy!

[The Prof]

Keen observations indeed sir. Obamacare appears to be a recipe for failure that has been quickly wrapped in flour and thrown into not quite hot enough oil, in a dirty pan, by a poor cook and looks mushy to me.

why, thank you, emmett, sir, friend, it is indeed a sincere pleasure to meet you

cliffy!

the ! is cuz i'm excited to be here, sincerely

gonna be a breatha FRESH air

thanks!!!!!

[Grim17]

Cat slave, my old friend!

WONDERFUL!!! to see you

RADIOGUY (!!!), you remember him---LOLOLOL!!!

his real name was jimmy, but shh (that's a SECRET)

Her and I have been friends for a few years Cliff. We both came to DCJ from another board. She's always known me as Grim.

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[The Prof]

Her and I have been friends for a few years Cliff. We both came to DCJ from another board. She's always known me as Grim.

.

hey, grim, a pleasure

thanks!

i really, really liked radioguy, whoever he was

and like i said, literally---he was my mother's favorite

she told me again and again and again (you know how moms are, LOL!)

wonderful, wonderful

cliffy!

[The Prof]

with THANKS! to rg

i believe these are different riders, however, i believe these are 2 separate amendments, not one as i represented above

either way, this heller dude is becoming one of my new HERO's

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104716

On July 16, Rep. Dean Heller, R.-Nev., offered a similar amendment to H.R. 3200 during the House Ways and Means Committee markup that would require members of Congress to enroll in its own government-run health care program. Democrats defeated the amendment by a vote of 21 to 18.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html?s=al&promo_code=83A3-1

On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

[emmett]

What a treat to have you folks all join the same night. On my watch too. Delighted.

Sorry to see you good people do not appear to be fans of our beloved President's Health care plan however. (Emmett almost vomits at his own joke)

The entire idea of government mandated, I mean "provided" health care, threatens to do the same thing everything this more Liberal than ever administration wants to do. Increase again the size of this collossal sized overly intrusive mockery of a government and install Socialism firmly in the everyday lives of our entire citizenry. My personal observation is that we seem somehow shell shocked at the whole thing when indeed we invited it through lazy overseeing and poor representation by our Conservative representatives during the late 90's and in this decade.

Now as I watch what is left of the Conservative representation attempt to fend off this ridiculous legislation I can only think back to all the lost opportunities we had in the previos years mentioned and ask, "What the heck did we think was going to happen?" Now is the time to get back on our toes and defeat this senseless Liberal philosophy and get out train of thought back on the right track.

[HogTrash]

POSITIVES

1. Obama demonstrated dramatically improved fluency on the big issue, his vocab, tossing about of terminology. He could not have talked as tractably on the topic even one week ago.

2. Boring as hell. This is good. This is what he wanted.

3. He did a good job of expaining where we are, the need to do something. Everyone already knows all this, however.

4. His pledge to protect those with preconditions, the particular purpose of health care. Americans are outraged that those most in need are denied what they need precisely because they need it.

5. His agreement to turn over Medicare payment scheduling to a Medpac panel, supposedly independent, taking away from Pelosi and pals this pork-u-line perk. This cession to Mike Ross, Chairman of the Bluedog Health Care Task Force, yielded at Tuesday's two and a half hour private meeting at the White House, has been represented as the most promising premonition of progress. Ie, not much, in the big picture.

FACT-CHALLENGED ASSERTIONS

1. He can pay for 2/3 of his ambitions with "savings" he's somehow miraculously discovered in some magic box, presumably, hidden under a bed in the Lincoln Room, or something, which CBO, Baucus, bluedogs, Bush, etc, were obviously just too dumb to stumble upon. Two thirds of the expense to come from the areas of waste, fraud and abuse, wellness/prevention, IT... Please.

2. 98% of Americans will be covered. At a cost of $1.6T, the best that Senator Baucus the Gatekeeper could come up with was expansion of coverage to only 16 million of the estimated 50 or so mil currently uninsured.

3. 98% covered. Yes. No. Sorta. The point---the government will NOT be covering these millions of Americans. According to Obama himself, in the very language of the House plan itself, these people will be FINED if they DON'T INSURE THEMSELVES.

4. The reform will be revenue neutral. Not according to CBO. Elmendorf testified last Thursday before Baucus' Gateway Committee (Senate Finance) that the COST CURVE, instead of bending downward rather steepens its ascent---SIGNIFICANTLY.

5. It is impossible to expand coverage to some 50 million people, 1/3 of them illegals, while simultaneously reducing costs. Like an elephant in a room.

6. Obama guarantees that you can keep your coverage. Period. But he admits he hasn't read Section 102 of the house bill which specifically and clearly contradicts him.

7. Care for seniors will be improved. Tragically, this does not look to be true. End-of-life expenses appear in the very crosshairs of the president's rifle scope.

8. We only have a few issues remaining to work out. LOLOLOL!

9. The public option, which is dead, by the way, purposes to promote competition with private providers. Section 102 once more undermines Obama's assertion, as it phases out over time the option for folks who move or change jobs to go the private route.

10. The reason he's so hella hyper, he says, is to hurry help to homesteads in harm's way. Perhaps. But adults appreciate Obama's animus to rush derives more really from HIS need to get something on paper before the members recess and go home to their office phones ringing off the hook. No deadline in this town determines no deal, the president's subsequent explanation for speed, is closer to the truth. "The default position is inertia."


The ProfHow do you expect anyone to read this mess with all these perfect sentences, paragraphs and proper punctuation for christ sakes? :blowup:

[Grim17]

What a treat to have you folks all join the same night. On my watch too. Delighted.

We all know each other from another forum, and became fed up with it. We are scouting a new home.

.

[Kathianne]

D!!!

Cat slave, my old friend!

WONDERFUL!!! to see you

RADIOGUY (!!!), you remember him---LOLOLOL!!!

his real name was jimmy, but shh (that's a SECRET)

anyway, jimmy the rg is THE MAN who first clued The pompous Prof into the skinny poop that---the HELLER AMENDMENT!!!

not only did the HELLER AMENDMENT call for implementation of E-VERIFY to make sure that only LEGAL CITIZENS of the once great US of A be included in any expansion of medical coverage envisaged by pelosi/bigears

the same HELLER AMENDMENT would have FORCED congressfolk to swallow whatever little blue pills or red pills (LOL!) they were shoving down the throats of all the rest of us

the HELLER AMENDMENT---would have made sure only citizens get the new health care, would have made congressmembers abide by whatever they intend to push on us

it failed, HELLER did, along mostly party lines, RADIOGUY told me, y'know, back in the day

i'd put up a LINK right here, i googled it, heller amendment, to confirm rg

not that i ever doubted him, just to keep youknowwho off my back---LOL!

i can't put up a link til i do 5 posts and this is only my 4th, i think

wonderful to see you, old friend

cliffy!

Welcome! If you need links posted, just pm them to moderator, we'll be glad to edited them into your posts. Same with any other restrictions.

[GetAClue]

Prof, RG, HT and Cat-Slave. Good to see you guys here. The prof turned me on to this site. I see that a couple of the liberals made it here also. Hopefully we can keep them in check.

[Kathianne]

Prof, RG, HT and Cat-Slave. Good to see you guys here. The prof turned me on to this site. I see that a couple of the liberals made it here also. Hopefully we can keep them in check.

Welcome!

[GetAClue]

Welcome!

Thank you. Glad to be here.

[Kathianne]

Thank you. Glad to be here.

Any newbie want to post who is whom, politically for yourself and those you know? I mean 'we'll all get to know sooner than later' but it makes it so much easier.

I'll start for the 'old timers' here, so give you all a heads up, (totally incomplete list, but a start):

Reagan Type Conservatives:

Red States Rule
Stephanie
namvet

Conservative, but you never know:
Me
5stringJeff
Avatar
Little Acorn
MtnBiker
Postmoderprophet

Liberal:
gabosaurus
JoeSteel
LiberalNation

Long winded-mixed politically
Emmett
BareKnucklePundit

[GetAClue]

Any newbie want to post who is whom, politically for yourself and those you know? I mean 'we'll all get to know sooner than later' but it makes it so much easier.

I'll start for the 'old timers' here, so give you all a heads up, (totally incomplete list, but a start):

Reagan Type Conservatives:

Red States Rule
Stephanie
namvet

Conservative, but you never know:
Me
5stringJeff
Avatar
Little Acorn
MtnBiker
Postmoderprophet

Liberal:
gabosaurus
JoeSteel
LiberalNation

Long winded-mixed politically
Emmett
BareKnucklePundit
I don't know but I am probably closer to a Reagan Conservative than any of the other labels. I believe in small, limited government, personal responsibility and free market capitalism. I believe that the founding fathers knew what they were doing when they set up our style of government, but too many good intentioned liberals decided that they knew better over the past few years.

I believe the role of the Federal Government is to maintain the infrastructure, provide for defense of the nation and enforce the rule of law. They also should maintain the laws and adjust as conditions warrant, but in strict adherence to the Constitution.

I believe that the government should work for the people and should fear the people to the point where they would pass no laws that would interfere with ones right to life or liberty. I believe our elected officials have failed us miserably in this regard.

I believe that if you are poor you have the freedoms and the opportunity in the country to get an education or learn a trade that will allow you to create your own wealth. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to make sure you live a comfortable life.

I believe that companies are in business to make a profit not to provide a living for their workers. If working people took that into account more often and then worked to ensure that their companies goals were met, they would become valuable to that company or another and be rightfully rewarded.

I believe that we live in the greatest country ever conceived in the history of the world but is currently moving in the wrong direction. It is up to those of us that understand these values to teach these values to our children and anyone that will listen for I fear if we don’t, this nation will fade into history as did the Roman Empire; it will fail from within.

That is just some of my beliefs. Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted everyone to understand my point of view in case they ever question any of my comments.

[Kathianne]

I don't know but I am probably closer to a Reagan Conservative than any of the other labels. I believe in small, limited government, personal responsibility and free market capitalism. I believe that the founding fathers knew what they were doing when they set up our style of government, but too many good intentioned liberals decided that they knew better over the past few years.Few years, starting when?

I believe the role of the Federal Government is to maintain the infrastructure, provide for defense of the nation and enforce the rule of law. They also should maintain the laws and adjust as conditions warrant, but in strict adherence to the Constitution. What about the mentally handicapped? What about environment?

I believe that the government should work for the people and should fear the people to the point where they would pass no laws that would interfere with ones right to life or liberty. I believe our elected officials have failed us miserably in this regard.Including leaving those without insurance to die? Not feeding the hungry, while giving billions to overseas? Or maybe you mean that we shouldn't help overseas and should deny those that 'lose' here too?

I believe that if you are poor you have the freedoms and the opportunity in the country to get an education or learn a trade that will allow you to create your own wealth. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to make sure you live a comfortable life.

I believe that companies are in business to make a profit not to provide a living for their workers. If working people took that into account more often and then worked to ensure that their companies goals were met, they would become valuable to that company or another and be rightfully rewarded.I agree with the premise. What happens though to the worker that toils diligently, honestly, then loses their job?

I believe that we live in the greatest country ever conceived in the history of the world but is currently moving in the wrong direction. It is up to those of us that understand these values to teach these values to our children and anyone that will listen for I fear if we don’t, this nation will fade into history as did the Roman Empire; it will fail from within.And you define 'us' how?

That is just some of my beliefs. Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted everyone to understand my point of view in case they ever question any of my comments.

To a very real degree, I played devil's advocate here. For the main I agree with your stances, but we need to be ready to answer the questions.

[Nukeman]

Any newbie want to post who is whom, politically for yourself and those you know? I mean 'we'll all get to know sooner than later' but it makes it so much easier.

I'll start for the 'old timers' here, so give you all a heads up, (totally incomplete list, but a start):

Reagan Type Conservatives:

Red States Rule
Stephanie
namvet

Conservative, but you never know:
Me
5stringJeff
Avatar
Little Acorn
MtnBiker
Postmoderprophet

Liberal:
gabosaurus
JoeSteel
LiberalNation

Long winded-mixed politically
Emmett
BareKnucklePunditI am deeply saddened that you didn't inlude Trigg and myself in your list kathianne. we have been here since the start and even came from the tother board :(

[5stringJeff]

Any newbie want to post who is whom, politically for yourself and those you know? I mean 'we'll all get to know sooner than later' but it makes it so much easier.

I'll start for the 'old timers' here, so give you all a heads up, (totally incomplete list, but a start):

Reagan Type Conservatives:

Red States Rule
Stephanie
namvet

Conservative, but you never know:
Me
5stringJeff
Avatar
Little Acorn
MtnBiker
Postmoderprophet

Liberal:
gabosaurus
JoeSteel
LiberalNation

Long winded-mixed politically
Emmett
BareKnucklePundit

I'm actually Libertarian - big L and small l. But Kathianne knew me back in my conservative days! :D

[Kathianne]

I'm actually Libertarian - big L and small l. But Kathianne knew me back in my conservative days! :D

Yes Jeff, you are way correct. I was being simple here, to make it easier for the newbies. Imagine trying to explain Emmett or even myself. Gasp!

[namvet]

im a Reagan Type Conservative ??? trust but verify this Osamacare

[HogTrash]

I'm actually Libertarian - big L and small l. But Kathianne knew me back in my conservative days! :DGlad to meet you 5string....You can call me Hog.

I classify myself as a Libertarian Conservative if you can make sense of that friend.

My lack of political correctness gets me alot of racist accusations but it doesn't seem to bother me much.

[HogTrash]

Welcome!I thank you for the kind welcome Miss Kathianne....You can call me HOG....May I call you Kat?

[Monkeybone]

I am deeply saddened that you didn't inlude Trigg and myself in your list kathianne. we have been here since the start and even came from the tother board :(

:world's tiniest violin emoticon:

[Nukeman]

:world's tiniest violin emoticon:

I hate you:) Lets fight!!!

[GetAClue]

I don't know but I am probably closer to a Reagan Conservative than any of the other labels. I believe in small, limited government, personal responsibility and free market capitalism. I believe that the founding fathers knew what they were doing when they set up our style of government, but too many good intentioned liberals decided that they knew better over the past few years.Few years, starting when? Since the Woodrow Wilson Administration.

I believe the role of the Federal Government is to maintain the infrastructure, provide for defense of the nation and enforce the rule of law. They also should maintain the laws and adjust as conditions warrant, but in strict adherence to the Constitution. What about the mentally handicapped? What about environment? I think these things fall under the law enforcement category. There are laws in place that protect the environment and the disabled. The problem becomes when people begin to put too much emphisis on the environment at the expense of people.

I believe that the government should work for the people and should fear the people to the point where they would pass no laws that would interfere with ones right to life or liberty. I believe our elected officials have failed us miserably in this regard. Including leaving those without insurance to die? Who has died because of a lack of insurance in this country? The last I knew, hospitals are not legally allowed to deny anyone care based on their ability to pay. Not feeding the hungry, while giving billions to overseas? Or maybe you mean that we shouldn't help overseas and should deny those that 'lose' here too? I don't believe it is the job of the Federal Government to feed people here or overseas. Long before the government became involved in this, private churches and charities took care of those in need if their family did not. If a member of my family is not able to provide for themselves, I feel it is my responsibility to step up and provide, not my neighbors. However, where I live that is what neighbors do. I and my other neighbors have helped out those in need numerous times.

I believe that if you are poor you have the freedoms and the opportunity in the country to get an education or learn a trade that will allow you to create your own wealth. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to make sure you live a comfortable life.

I believe that companies are in business to make a profit not to provide a living for their workers. If working people took that into account more often and then worked to ensure that their companies goals were met, they would become valuable to that company or another and be rightfully rewarded. I agree with the premise. What happens though to the worker that toils diligently, honestly, then loses their job? They learn a new skill set and go get another job. Why is it the responsibility of a company to provide for someone else’s welfare? We have unemployment insurance that millions take advantage of. This was meant to tide you over until you were able to find a new job. I don’t necessarily disagree with this concept, but I feel that it has been abused by politicians pandering for votes.

I believe that we live in the greatest country ever conceived in the history of the world but is currently moving in the wrong direction. It is up to those of us that understand these values to teach these values to our children and anyone that will listen for I fear if we don’t, this nation will fade into history as did the Roman Empire; it will fail from within.And you define 'us' how? Those of us that understand the values I listed.

That is just some of my beliefs. Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted everyone to understand my point of view in case they ever question any of my comments.

[Mr. P]

I don't know but I am probably closer to a Reagan Conservative than any of the other labels. I believe in small, limited government, personal responsibility and free market capitalism. I believe that the founding fathers knew what they were doing when they set up our style of government, but too many good intentioned liberals decided that they knew better over the past few years.Few years, starting when? Since the Woodrow Wilson Administration.

I believe the role of the Federal Government is to maintain the infrastructure, provide for defense of the nation and enforce the rule of law. They also should maintain the laws and adjust as conditions warrant, but in strict adherence to the Constitution. What about the mentally handicapped? What about environment? I think these things fall under the law enforcement category. There are laws in place that protect the environment and the disabled. The problem becomes when people begin to put too much emphisis on the environment at the expense of people.

I believe that the government should work for the people and should fear the people to the point where they would pass no laws that would interfere with ones right to life or liberty. I believe our elected officials have failed us miserably in this regard. Including leaving those without insurance to die? Who has died because of a lack of insurance in this country? The last I knew, hospitals are not legally allowed to deny anyone care based on their ability to pay. Not feeding the hungry, while giving billions to overseas? Or maybe you mean that we shouldn't help overseas and should deny those that 'lose' here too? I don't believe it is the job of the Federal Government to feed people here or overseas. Long before the government became involved in this, private churches and charities took care of those in need if their family did not. If a member of my family is not able to provide for themselves, I feel it is my responsibility to step up and provide, not my neighbors. However, where I live that is what neighbors do. I and my other neighbors have helped out those in need numerous times.

I believe that if you are poor you have the freedoms and the opportunity in the country to get an education or learn a trade that will allow you to create your own wealth. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to make sure you live a comfortable life.

I believe that companies are in business to make a profit not to provide a living for their workers. If working people took that into account more often and then worked to ensure that their companies goals were met, they would become valuable to that company or another and be rightfully rewarded. I agree with the premise. What happens though to the worker that toils diligently, honestly, then loses their job? They learn a new skill set and go get another job. Why is it the responsibility of a company to provide for someone else’s welfare? We have unemployment insurance that millions take advantage of. This was meant to tide you over until you were able to find a new job. I don’t necessarily disagree with this concept, but I feel that it has been abused by politicians pandering for votes.

I believe that we live in the greatest country ever conceived in the history of the world but is currently moving in the wrong direction. It is up to those of us that understand these values to teach these values to our children and anyone that will listen for I fear if we don’t, this nation will fade into history as did the Roman Empire; it will fail from within.And you define 'us' how? Those of us that understand the values I listed.

That is just some of my beliefs. Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted everyone to understand my point of view in case they ever question any of my comments.

I believe many here will agree with you. :thumb:

[Kathianne]

I thank you for the kind welcome Miss Kathianne....You can call me HOG....May I call you Kat?

Indeed. ;)

[Kathianne]

:world's tiniest violin emoticon:

Hey, I said the list was 'incomplete.' Actually all I did was go to the main page and saw who'd been on recently. Sorry all, add yourself where you think or add new categories.

[Kathianne]

I believe many here will agree with you. :thumb:

Me too, but you already knew that! :laugh2:

[5stringJeff]

Glad to meet you 5string....You can call me Hog.

I classify myself as a Libertarian Conservative if you can make sense of that friend.

My lack of political correctness gets me alot of racist accusations but it doesn't seem to bother me much.

I'm sure others would classify me the same way, Hog. Good to meet you. :beer: