Gabby's disrespectful potty mouth word vomit

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I know Dubya will never forget. I bet he is on his knees now, praising Allah....blah blah blah word vomit....blah blah piss & vinegar....blah blah blah

I can't stand it anymore. I have seen these ludicrous posts that have no substance, woven out of twisted facts, slings and arrows that serve no purpose, and general garbage enough times that I have to speak up.

It was incredibly disrespectful to insert your little ramblings into the middle of a post meant to honor those lost in the attacks on our fellow Americans, and though Jimmy was very tactful in the way he addressed it, I have been stewing over it since I read it. That junk could have been posted under another header and I would have blown it off, but you slammed it into a memorial post.

Gabby I've read enough of your posts to realize that you are a hit and run artist. You may write in a grammatically interesting fashion, but there is nothing more to it than inane rhetoric. A couple of folks here have said you are harmless, have no bad intentions and so forth, but to put that kind of trash talk into the middle of a memorial post was unconscionable. What were you thinking? People have suffered and died Gabby, and continue to suffer and die. It wasn't all Dubya's fault; it was a culmination of decades of history, a hornet's nest that has been growing out of control for many years. I'm saying this and I never even liked the man, couldn't stand the sight or sound of him - but, I didn't really like many of the presidents that have been in office for as long as I can remember. The fact remains, however, regardless of who you may blame, it was totally inappropriate to sully a memorial post the way you did. It made me furious.

I suggest you study some history, review more perspectives on the news than just the liberal slants and show more respect to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to provide you the freedom to spew your word vomit wherever you choose.

I also think you should apologize for the tactlessness of placing trash in the midst of a post intended to honor the dead.

[hjmick]

....blah blah blah word vomit....blah blah piss & vinegar....blah blah blah

I can't stand it anymore. I have seen these ludicrous posts that have no substance, woven out of twisted facts, slings and arrows that serve no purpose, and general garbage enough times that I have to speak up.

It was incredibly disrespectful to insert your little ramblings into the middle of a post meant to honor those lost in the attacks on our fellow Americans, and though Jimmy was very tactful in the way he addressed it, I have been stewing over it since I read it. That junk could have been posted under another header and I would have blown it off, but you slammed it into a memorial post.

Gabby I've read enough of your posts to realize that you are a hit and run artist. You may write in a grammatically interesting fashion, but there is nothing more to it than inane rhetoric. A couple of folks here have said you are harmless, have no bad intentions and so forth, but to put that kind of trash talk into the middle of a memorial post was unconscionable. What were you thinking? People have suffered and died Gabby, and continue to suffer and die. It wasn't all Dubya's fault; it was a culmination of decades of history, a hornet's nest that has been growing out of control for many years. I'm saying this and I never even liked the man, couldn't stand the sight or sound of him - but, I didn't really like many of the presidents that have been in office for as long as I can remember. The fact remains, however, regardless of who you may blame, it was totally inappropriate to sully a memorial post the way you did. It made me furious.

I suggest you study some history, review more perspectives on the news than just the liberal slants and show more respect to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to provide you the freedom to spew your word vomit wherever you choose.

I also think you should apologize for the tactlessness of placing trash in the midst of a post intended to honor the dead.

FTW :clap:

[Gaffer]

Another post from Bee I can't rep yet. Now you understand why I keep her permanently ignored.

[stephanie]

What gets me is the absolute hate that Gabs and the left have for President Bush, and blaming him for all that went on during his Presidency..as if he alone made all the decisions and no Democrats were involved..

Hell, she even hates Reagan and If I calculate right, she wasn't even born then...

I didn't care for Clinton, but I don't hate the man, I think of him more of a joke, and was just glad when he left the office..

the hate that the left harbors and spews is what is damaging our country and society more than one person ever could..

will we survive it? I sometimes wonder..

[emmett]

....blah blah blah word vomit....blah blah piss & vinegar....blah blah blah

I can't stand it anymore. I have seen these ludicrous posts that have no substance, woven out of twisted facts, slings and arrows that serve no purpose, and general garbage enough times that I have to speak up.

It was incredibly disrespectful to insert your little ramblings into the middle of a post meant to honor those lost in the attacks on our fellow Americans, and though Jimmy was very tactful in the way he addressed it, I have been stewing over it since I read it. That junk could have been posted under another header and I would have blown it off, but you slammed it into a memorial post.

Gabby I've read enough of your posts to realize that you are a hit and run artist. You may write in a grammatically interesting fashion, but there is nothing more to it than inane rhetoric. A couple of folks here have said you are harmless, have no bad intentions and so forth, but to put that kind of trash talk into the middle of a memorial post was unconscionable. What were you thinking? People have suffered and died Gabby, and continue to suffer and die. It wasn't all Dubya's fault; it was a culmination of decades of history, a hornet's nest that has been growing out of control for many years. I'm saying this and I never even liked the man, couldn't stand the sight or sound of him - but, I didn't really like many of the presidents that have been in office for as long as I can remember. The fact remains, however, regardless of who you may blame, it was totally inappropriate to sully a memorial post the way you did. It made me furious.

I suggest you study some history, review more perspectives on the news than just the liberal slants and show more respect to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to provide you the freedom to spew your word vomit wherever you choose.

I also think you should apologize for the tactlessness of placing trash in the midst of a post intended to honor the dead.



One has to remember that this is a message board. You wouldn't have to search very far to find much.....much more disrespectful stuff than that.

My opinion is that the statement was so far out there that it is "harmless"

She really doesn't know any better so one has to measure "intent"

I wouldn't boil over it Bee, it will happen again. :laugh2:

[Mr. P]

Bee...Gab is a "drive by" poster you'll seldom see her engage in a thread, she simply posts for effect and then watches for the result.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

One has to remember that this is a message board. You wouldn't have to search very far to find much.....much more disrespectful stuff than that.

My opinion is that the statement was so far out there that it is "harmless"

She really doesn't know any better so one has to measure "intent"

I wouldn't boil over it Bee, it will happen again. :laugh2:


Bee...Gab is a "drive by" poster you'll seldom see her engage in a thread, she simply posts for effect and then watches for the result.

Be that as it may, and with all due respect to the both of you, I have learned from rearing three children into adulthood that children don't always know when they've crossed certain boundaries of propriety unless it is pointed out to them. I stated that I have no issue with what Gabby said, just where she chose to say it. I liken her actions to those of someone who would have the unmitigated uncouth of walking into a memorial service and spitting on the photograph of the lost loved one in front of the bereaved.

[stephanie]

Be that as it may, and with all due respect to the both of you, I have learned from rearing three children into adulthood that children don't always know when they've crossed certain boundaries of propriety unless it is pointed out to them. I stated that I have no issue with what Gabby said, just where she chose to say it. I liken her actions to those of someone who would have the unmitigated uncouth of walking into a memorial service and spitting on the photograph of the lost loved one in front of the bereaved.

and what you say here is very right..but unfortunately it seems a lot of kids today don't have the manners or respect that we were reared with..it is sad..

[Nukeman]

and what you say here is very right..but unfortunately it seems a lot of kids today don't have the manners or respect that we were reared with..it is sad..

What she said!!!!!!!

[gabosaurus]

Some people are so clueless and misguided, they don't know if they are coming or going.

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[stephanie]

Ho hum little girl, you have become nothing but predictable.

and a one track simple minded bore.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Some people are so clueless and misguided, they don't know if they are coming or going.

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Wow Gabby....is this supposed to be a depiction of the depth of your intellect? That was a heck of a response....geez I'm not sure what to say, though I must confess "pathetic" is the most immediate thing that comes to mind.

Still, you bring up issues you won't stand and defend when brought to question. I would like to say I'm surprised, but frankly this was exactly the sort of thing I expected.

[emmett]

Some people are so clueless and misguided, they don't know if they are coming or going.

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:lol:

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Some people are so clueless and misguided, they don't know if they are coming or going.

By the way Gabs, it really wasn't necessary for you to point :lol: this out about yourself. I believe it is pretty apparent to most everyone who reads your slop. :poke:

[gabosaurus]

I've been wondering how someone who is allegedly so "joyful" fails to understand humor.
Perhaps you should go back to the tea party with the other elderly ladies. Call for delivery of some nice finger sandwiches. Finish knitting that bonnet for the dog. Pick up the heart medication from the pharmacy.

[Bonnie]

I've been wondering how someone who is allegedly so "joyful" fails to understand humor.
Perhaps you should go back to the tea party with the other elderly ladies. Call for delivery of some nice finger sandwiches. Finish knitting that bonnet for the dog. Pick up the heart medication from the pharmacy.

Humor is only humor when it's rooted in truth

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Gabby, you are so flippin' hilarious. :laugh2: Too bad you can't use a little more of that grace and tact in your other posts. You have a vivid imagination and you could actually make some positive contributions if you would go ahead and excrete some of that piss and vinegar before you log on to the site.

Maybe the problem isn't with your logic, perhaps you are simply too immature to handle yourself like a grown woman. I can't imagine what kinds of horrible things you must have suffered to have come out with such a bad attitude. I truly feel for you though. There are places that offer help to people who suffer as you apparently do. I suggest you get some help.

[Bonnie]

Gabby, you are so flippin' hilarious. :laugh2: Too bad you can't use a little more of that grace and tact in your other posts. You have a vivid imagination and you could actually make some positive contributions if you would go ahead and excrete some of that piss and vinegar before you log on to the site.

Maybe the problem isn't with your logic, perhaps you are simply too immature to handle yourself like a grown woman. I can't imagine what kinds of horrible things you must have suffered to have come out with such a bad attitude. I truly feel for you though. There are places that offer help to people who suffer as you apparently do. I suggest you get some help.

Oh come on now, she's a LOVING and COMPASSIONATE Liberal, you are completely misreading her intentions :coffee:

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I'm sure you're right. I'm sure she is one of the kindest individuals one could ever want to meet. She is simply a master thespian.

[stephanie]

I've been wondering how someone who is allegedly so "joyful" fails to understand humor.
Perhaps you should go back to the tea party with the other elderly ladies. Call for delivery of some nice finger sandwiches. Finish knitting that bonnet for the dog. Pick up the heart medication from the pharmacy.

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[emmett]

Hey girls......there must be more you guys can contribute than this! Nothing I've read in this thread seems very constructive on either side as how to solve anything.


Just saying......

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Hey Emmett....I'm sitting here laughing until my face hurts, so what's the problem?

[stephanie]

we are in the steel cage, why do we have to solve anything??:poke:

[Gaffer]

Hey girls......there must be more you guys can contribute than this! Nothing I've read in this thread seems very constructive on either side as how to solve anything.


Just saying......

Girl fight, girl fight.

Hey they have got gabby to post more BS in this thread than she usually does. She usually runs away. She's totally out classed anyway.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Hey, that's all I wanted Gaffer....a little dialog with Gabby. She is a truly interesting little bug and I do like playing with bugs. I have been a licensed pesticide specialist in the past and I could be again if the need arose.

[Bonnie]

Hey girls......there must be more you guys can contribute than this! Nothing I've read in this thread seems very constructive on either side as how to solve anything.


Just saying......

Emmett some things cannot be solved, the trick is recognizing that when it's apparent. Besides we are getting some world class hollow sarcasm from Gab.

But I'm always open for suggestions:beer:

[Gaffer]

Hey, that's all I wanted Gaffer....a little dialog with Gabby. She is a truly interesting little bug and I do like playing with bugs. I have been a licensed pesticide specialist in the past and I could be again if the need arose.

You won't get anything but trash talk from her. Let the pesticide flow. :salute:

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I truly have nothing against Gabby. I hardly know her, but I am always hopeful that I can positively influence the badly misguided.

I honestly believe that a little study in history and getting a balanced view of current events as opposed to simply reading liberal rags, (which are purposeful for lining the bottom of a bird cage, but nothing more), anyone can become enlightened.

[stephanie]

I truly have nothing against Gabby. I hardly know her, but I am always hopeful that I can positively influence the badly misguided.

I honestly believe that a little study in history and getting a balanced view of current events as opposed to simply reading liberal rags, (which are purposeful for lining the bottom of a bird cage, but nothing more), anyone can become enlightened.

you could be fighting a losing battle, we've been trying for years, but good luck to ya, you're going to need it...:laugh2:

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Better to try and fail than to never try at all. ;)

[Mr. P]

Better to try and fail than to never try at all. ;)

:bang3: <-----Bee in 30 days of trying to positively influence Gabs.

Don't say we didn't tell ya..Bee. A wise bee wouldn't waste their time on a dead flower. ;)

[gabosaurus]

Mrs. Bee, you have hit the jackpot. Humor is often just that -- humor. Same with sarcasm. I happen to be a huge fan of sarcasm. Sometimes, the only way to get people's attention is to piss them off.

As a newcomer, you need to understand how this forum works. There is a certain decorum at work, a method to the madness.
Let's suppose there is a thread started (by Martin, most likely :p ) about what animal you like most, a sheep or a cow. The vast majority of DP members will not care. They are both wonderful animals, very tasty and all. No debate between sheep and cows.
Until the day comes when Obama delivers a speech talking about his respect for cows, and how they are more worthy than sheep. That changes the dynamics immediately.
Rush Limbaugh comes on the next days, lauding the noble cow and slagging the worthless sheep population. Glen Beck follows by accusing sheep of supporting terrorism.
DP swings into action, with RSR posting a blog about how about how many sheep are Muslims. Others wonder why no sheep own handguns.
Cows are suddenly awash with patriotism. Sheep are cowards who want to raise our taxes.

Just the way things go around here. You are either with the majority, or you are a terrorist liberal fag who hates America.

[crin63]

Gabby, you are so flippin' hilarious. :laugh2: Too bad you can't use a little more of that grace and tact in your other posts. You have a vivid imagination and you could actually make some positive contributions if you would go ahead and excrete some of that piss and vinegar before you log on to the site.

Maybe the problem isn't with your logic, perhaps you are simply too immature to handle yourself like a grown woman. I can't imagine what kinds of horrible things you must have suffered to have come out with such a bad attitude. I truly feel for you though. There are places that offer help to people who suffer as you apparently do. I suggest you get some help.

Bee, what you have to understand is that gabs is just a spoiled, immature high school kid. She claims to be some kind of counselor but I think the kids have more influence on her than she has on them. Which is actually best for the kids. If you just expect from her what you would get from a spoiled, immature child then you will never be surprised or disappointed. You may be a little shocked when she tells some of us that she hopes we die or that she hopes our kids get killed with our own guns.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Mrs. Bee, you have hit the jackpot. Humor is often just that -- humor. Same with sarcasm. I happen to be a huge fan of sarcasm. Sometimes, the only way to get people's attention is to piss them off.

As a newcomer, you need to understand how this forum works. There is a certain decorum at work, a method to the madness.
Let's suppose there is a thread started (by Martin, most likely :p ) about what animal you like most, a sheep or a cow. The vast majority of DP members will not care. They are both wonderful animals, very tasty and all. No debate between sheep and cows.
Until the day comes when Obama delivers a speech talking about his respect for cows, and how they are more worthy than sheep. That changes the dynamics immediately.
Rush Limbaugh comes on the next days, lauding the noble cow and slagging the worthless sheep population. Glen Beck follows by accusing sheep of supporting terrorism.
DP swings into action, with RSR posting a blog about how about how many sheep are Muslims. Others wonder why no sheep own handguns.
Cows are suddenly awash with patriotism. Sheep are cowards who want to raise our taxes.

Just the way things go around here. You are either with the majority, or you are a terrorist liberal fag who hates America.

Humor loses its credibility when one attempts to use it to discount something as solemn as the post intended to honor and show respect to those lost on 9/11. As for decorum, it is revolting that you should even be the one to mention that concept when you stuck your finger down your throat and vomited on the memorial post. I find your twisted humor and lack of proper decorum repulsive. I still think you should apologize, though it is apparent that you neither have the grit in your gut, nor the maturity to do so.

Everyone is right....you seem to be a lost cause. Perhaps the kids that crin mentioned can teach you a few things and you will eventually grow up to be a constructive individual, though I won't be holding my breath waiting for that day.

[jimnyc]

I've been wondering how someone who is allegedly so "joyful" fails to understand humor.
Perhaps you should go back to the tea party with the other elderly ladies. Call for delivery of some nice finger sandwiches. Finish knitting that bonnet for the dog. Pick up the heart medication from the pharmacy.


Mrs. Bee, you have hit the jackpot. Humor is often just that -- humor. Same with sarcasm. I happen to be a huge fan of sarcasm. Sometimes, the only way to get people's attention is to piss them off.

As a newcomer, you need to understand how this forum works. There is a certain decorum at work, a method to the madness.
Let's suppose there is a thread started (by Martin, most likely :p ) about what animal you like most, a sheep or a cow. The vast majority of DP members will not care. They are both wonderful animals, very tasty and all. No debate between sheep and cows.
Until the day comes when Obama delivers a speech talking about his respect for cows, and how they are more worthy than sheep. That changes the dynamics immediately.
Rush Limbaugh comes on the next days, lauding the noble cow and slagging the worthless sheep population. Glen Beck follows by accusing sheep of supporting terrorism.
DP swings into action, with RSR posting a blog about how about how many sheep are Muslims. Others wonder why no sheep own handguns.
Cows are suddenly awash with patriotism. Sheep are cowards who want to raise our taxes.

Just the way things go around here. You are either with the majority, or you are a terrorist liberal fag who hates America.

Gabby, I think you are entirely missing the point here. It wasn't necessarily about the words you wrote, whether they were correct or not, or how the different parties feel about those events. The thread you interjected on originally was meant to be a remembrance of those who perished on 9/11. I don't think anyone takes issue with you having a different stance on the actions that took place from 9/12/01 on, but you sullied a thread that was meant to be a memorial of sorts with information not even pertaining to the thread in question. You further interrupted said memorial by complaining about things that occurred in the 8 years following that day - none of which had anything to do with these innocent people losing their lives.

Would you protest at a 9/11 memorial at Ground Zero with the same words?

[gabosaurus]

If I hijacked a thread, it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. DP has a long and inglorious history of threads being hijacked for all the wrong reasons.
My point is this: A thread was started as a memorial of such to Sept. 11 victims. I was honoring the victims by asking why they had to die in the first place.
I realize that very few members of this board will ever understand what I am talking about. They are on one side of the political spectrum and I am on the other side. You are never going to agree with me.
Politics may dominate your lives, but it rarely enters into mine. This is the only place I ever discuss anything political. I don't even talk politics with my husband.
If you want to organize and tea party and debate on this board all day, that is fine. My emphasis is on keeping kids in school and raising a third grader.
As long as I am on this board, I will be voicing my opinions. You will not be in agreements on most counts.
In many instances, I will be pissing you off royally. Too bad. Feel free to complain to the DP powers that be. If they decide to agree with you, then they know what to do. :D

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Gabby, it is probably in the best interest of your personal safety that you don't discuss your political views with other people in person. If you treated people out there the way you treat them in here someone would surely punch you out.

However, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I do like to play with bugs and you are a very colorful little bug, indeed. You have been subject to an experiment whereby you have been placed under a microscope for examination. Here are the results:

It doesn't matter if you are intelligent and have the ability to put together sentences quite eloquently because you have stated that you intentionally refuse to show any level of propriety and you do it for sport.

You would rather cause trouble and ignite anger in people than to offer anything positive, even for the liberal side you supposedly support. I hold to my original statement about it being nothing more than inane rhetoric.

Others here didn't expect you to even respond to me due to your history of being a hit and run poster. I believed all along that you would and that you would try to justify your wretched treatment of your fellow message board members. Everything you've said in the past few posts, trying to explain yourself to me, the newbie, has been exactly what I expected you to say.

The synopsis is this: You don't care who you hurt, You don't care about the real issues, You have nothing positive to contribute. These are the impressions that everyone can glean from your attempts to enlighten me.

I must confess that as a parent, I have real concerns about someone with your outlook influencing young children. The children you work with are going to be inheriting a long laundry list of woes, thanks to the current administration and the past several administrations. There are people on this board who are looking for ways to make a difference and reshape the destinies of those children; but, all you seem to want to do is throw wrenches in the works.

All in all, you've described yourself as exactly who I thought you were all along.

[emmett]

Out of curiosity, given the fact that you are correct in your assertions, what is the point of this thread. Mind if I throw in my little two cents worth in?

Miss Joyful Honey Bee, you strike me as a very intelligent woman, obviously capable of beating most of us on here down with your superior grammatical skills, vocabulary and sharp quick witted intellect. In addition, you are certainly a knowledgeable and dedicated conservative. All wonderful attributes in my opinion. In each of your points about Gabby here in the cage, where you saw it fit to call her out by name to insult, you have been correct in your accusations of her behavior. Absolutely correct. Right on each and every point. You are so right in fact that it makes me wonder how you would not be more inclined to be a driving force in a positive change of this young woman by example than to continually insult her and attempt the futile effort to have her apologize.

You said she acted childish.....would you continually insult a child? Would you not through patience and dilligence attempt over and over again to educate if you saw in the child a glimmer of intelligence, such as you pointed out about her in a previous post. Would it not be better to attempt this positive mechanism unsuccessfully rather than to keep piling on your obvious wit and superior intellect when you yourself say it would be futile. I believe you said you "wouldn't hold your breath."

You have been told by other astute, longstanding members of her antics. What is it exactly you look to accomplish then? Is it merely to further insult and point out the obvious as if it is some revelation we all are not aware of here. With all due respect, and please feel free to contact any female board member you wish, as you find I am always respectful even in disagreement with a female, I would think if you were out to do something noone here has ever done before in regards to Gabby you would choose the high road, not the low one, which I feel you have chosen.

Gabby is a young woman in her twenties. Liberal yes, a bit aggrevating sure and certainly at times uncooth....I admit all these things, and you have taken the liberty to point them out so elequently my dear......however....being as right as you are about her, and you are.......you have passed on the greatest opportunity of all and that is to reach out and educate this young woman with understanding, compassion and by example.

"Gabster" as I affectionately call her, and understand I do feel affection for this young girl, is the product of a generation that contains the philosophy of everything we conservatives attempt to work against. It was you who in an earlier post said yourself that it was places like this message board where the work gets done. What work is that? The work of more hatred perhaps? If you already know you are right then the only work that can really be done is to educate those whom you feel are wrong. Here is a young woman who relishes in juvenile like message board behavior yet actually has some wonderful attributes. She is an intelligent and compassionate person actually. Did you know for instance that she has adopted a child? This is no secret and I am sure Gabby would not be angered by my saying this since she herself kept us abreast of the details herself during the process. So......let us start there for instance. I happen to be able to relate to that effort as I myself adopted a child that was nine years old while I was a young single parent of another boy. I also know what a struggle it was to learn when being absent the advantage of earlier interaction with the child. It was and is probably for her a very difficult endeavor and something that can be admired. There.....so now we have established a "positive" thing about Gabby.

Let us start there. I'm certain you are a mother and are familiar with the many burdens and challenges of the responsibility. I'm sure you are a wonderful mother. A child could be no luckier than to be reared by such an intelligent and obviously moral person such as yourself. Your writings tell a story of who you are as I must admit I have enjoyed reading them very much. This is why I have taken this huge risk in calling you out on this issue by which I feel while each and every detail of your accusations about her are true and correct, you somehow are wrong in the end for refusing to have the confidence in both yourself, as an instructor or message carrier per say.. , and Gabby as a young woman who is obviously searching for direction.

In closing I would say this.....first of all, this is the cage remember and that is why I brought this up here, not in open forum. Gab represents to me everything that is wrong with Conservative values influence over young people. I once got very angry at her for calling John Mccain a traitor and her accusation that he gave up secret information while a POW in Hanoi. I was wrong to do that because first of all she had no knowledge what so ever of those events, only what she had either read or been wrongly told. I had the pleasure of meeting a man who was locked up with Senator McCain and he tells quite a different story. My point is I should not have allowed myself to become angered by her senseless statement yet I did. I did not go on and on for page after page however such as you have in a futile effort to scold her. Oh sure....I gave my version of a scolding and she ran, like she sometimes....well....most of the time does, but I also took the time to educate her on why she was wrong. Do I know if it sunk in? No...I do not, but....I did take the time and would again because I hold fast to a belief that we will never change the minds of our political adversaries with hate. Only the power of compassion and constructive attempts at education have a chance of doing that.

One of my favorite people on this site is Kathy. She is most certainly a unique individual. You may know she is a teacher, a very good one and a very dedicated instructor of the unknowledgable. Like yourself, she is very conservative at the core, her value system is very high and she is tempted at times to lose her temper also. She has with me a time or two yet I always know that if I listen to the things she says and the points she makes, rather I agree completely or not I will see someone continue to try and educate. She is one of the best debators, if not the best on here. I use Kathy for an example for a particular reason for it is she who has taken more greif from the disrespectful males on here than any other person. Just yesterday as you may have seen, Maineman, as if it is a secret who he is, got right back on here and called her a name. She has dealt with this jack ass for so long she looked right by it. Didn't even phase her. In Gabby's case, she certainly didn't call anyone a name of insulting proportions, or incite this conversation even. All she did was get it wrong! She got it really...really....wrong! As Jim pointed out, she interjected into a thread of 9/11 memorial nature with a distasteful and disrespectful post. She did it...I admit it. I as well, think it was very disrespectful.

My point is that it is incumbant upon those who know to educate those who do not. And when those who do not, do not respond, we must continue if we really believe. I am constantly at odds with the good moral members of this board about my political beliefs that it is more valuable to vote Libertarian than not to. I have never convinced a single member to change their vote. Well...maybe Martin a few times but he changes political parties like underwear...lol....at least I hope he changes his underwear that much.......and yet somewhere in all the fog of those debates I feel I have made a difference of some sort. Maybe I have helped spark a little voice in the head of one person who while standing in that voting booth at least took time to measure whether the candidate they are about to choose represents some of those moral Libertarian beliefs that I do.....maybe not. I can't get mad at them though and they....bless their hearts don't get mad at me either.

I see in Gabby the revolution of the 60's again. The borderline political edge of culture influenced opinion and personna. Many of the htings those people stood for were ridiculous, yet they captured a generation and made them observe from a prospective seen only through their eyes. Think about it......they made Richard Nixon shoot peace signs, Jimmy Carter start saying "man" and in the eighties were knowledgable knowers of what loomed on the "other side."

What if we did have things the way "we" want it? What would we do with all the people who would not work, the sick who could not be cured without health care and the indigent homeless who were hungry. Who would speak up for them while we enjoyed our lives of having free market enterprise, no income tax and complete liberty to do what we pleased so long as it didn't hurt anyone? Perhaps it is people like Gabby whom must be a bit disrespectful at times to constantly protest even when it seemed imprudent, such as Joe Wilson did the other day when he disrepected the halls of Congress by calling the President of the United States a liar while he had the floor. I have read time and time again people like RSR who avidly supported this little event say that no one should ever do that. All of a sudden it fit his agenda and his opinion changed did it not? Well......imagine that.

I wish we had 20 Gabbys on here. The more the marrier I say. (You can correct my spelling if you beat Kathy to it), While most of what they say will in my own opinion be seen as rhetorical in base, I know that it is only a dissentor who can change anything. Followers never change nothing!!!!

So....please accept my apology for the too many minutes it no doubt took to read my rant and understand once again that I find your posts to be of substantive quality and wonderful base, I enjoy them very much. I do however feel that you have passed an opportunity to influence Gabster with all that skill and have instead like the rest of us, failed her in a sense by not utilizing your wonderful abilities to instead of insulting her over and over, attempting to educate her while I admit it probably would do no good.

I certainly hope you do not misinterpret my intention.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Thank you for your contribution to this post Emmett. Your post took a little time to read, but certainly was worth every moment.

I have successfully raised three children, and for half the lives of the youngest two I have done it alone, providing for them emotionally and financially with no support from their other parent. Part of the reason I feel they have grown up to be thoughtful and compassionate individuals with a healthy sense of self esteem is that I have called them on the carpet when they got out of line. I have tried hard to be consistent in this endeavor because that, I feel, is fundamental to helping them learn where they need to draw their own lines as they mature.

I look at our society and one of the biggest problems I see is the infighting that takes place, just as it was within my family when my children were younger and the inevitable power struggles would occur. I used to tell them that if we didn't stand together then the stresses of the world would have the power to crush us. I had no issue with the differences that took place as I see these as character building, but I did always insist that there should be ground rules for their debates. If one or more of them could not respect those ground rules I would separate them and not allow them to play together until everyone calmed down.

As for Gabby, I am confident that she as encountered a measure of difficulty in her life, as we all have. I've heard from others here about the tactics she employees to inflame the emotions of others and I have seen it in her posts. Having exercised some 'tough love' tactics with my own children, telling them in no uncertain terms that some of the things they did were wrong when they indicated they felt badly about doing those things I did not hesitate to inform then that they should feel badly about doing bad things. I also told them that this was the development of their conscience and acknowledging the wrongs they had committed would lead them to avoid repeating those behaviors. I really don't see the difference in trying to explain to Gabby that she, too, should feel badly for some of what I've seen here. Perhaps it is my consummate maternal instinct to pull children back in line...after all, they often don't know they've truly crossed a line until they do get pulled back. Sometimes the language seems tougher than other times.

In all honesty, I see the level of intelligence this young woman possesses. It is as clear and plain as a cloudless blue sky. However, a viable analogy to what I'm seeing is that computer hackers are typically highly intelligent, but sadly they use their knowledge to do bad things that are harmful to other people and their computers. Those same people could be involved in the development of wonderful technological advancements, but they choose to do harm instead - so when caught, they should be punished.

In my eyes, Gabby has much to offer and could do so in a very positive way. I called her out and she responded, explaining her position, her motives and her perspective. I felt that I was merely summing it up, but apparently you see that as the low road. Perhaps so. Still, I believe that one must communicate with another on a level they can relate to, so if I sunk to a level you see as beneath me, it will have been worth it if at any time in the future there should be a change of heart on Gabby's side. If there is never a change of heart, then I can still live with the fact that I tried.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Dayamm!
2. Emmett that wasn't *Two Cents Worth*.
3. That was more like a ten spot!
4. Wheeeeew,.....your *Two Cents Worth* really add up fast my man!:laugh2:



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[gabosaurus]

Well thank you, Mr. Emmitt. At least you try to understand.
And you too, Mrs. Bee. I can see your point of view. And I hope you see mine as well.
One trouble with a lot of people, on both sides of the political spectrum, is that they believe that they are always right. If you don't agree with them, then YOU are wrong. Especially if they are older than you. That supposedly gives them a unique perspective that guarantees that they are correct. Even if they aren't.
I get castigated over a lot of issues. Many DP members like to play the "war veteran" patriotism card. "I served in the military, so that makes me better than you. I get a free pass through life, am entitled to eternal respect and am never wrong."
I can play that game. Although I usually decline to do so. I have relatives who fought for their country in the European Theater during World War II. On BOTH sides! Beat that!
My dad's lifelong best friend, the best man in his wedding, served two tours of duty in Viet Nam. Was wounded in combat during his second tour. Like many others, he refused an offer to go home, choosing to remain with his unit.
He is a wonderful person and has profoundly affected my life. Came home, got married, raised kids, never asked anything from anyone. Took care of three kids after his wife died.
He is now an anti-war activist. Told Bush to his face that the Iraq war was wrong. Received numerous rebukes for it. Never backed down, never apologized.

Many DP members scoff at me being a student of history. Sometimes events are best viewed in retrospect. You have more information at your disposal that way. Even before the advent of the internet, you could still read a lot.
You could learn about Reagan undercutting Carter's 1980 presidential campaign with his "arms for hostages" deal with Iran. You ever wonder how the Islamic militants learned about proper placement of roadside bombs and flying planes into buildings? The CIA taught them during the Chechnya insurgency.

You think the tea party rallies are a new and radical idea? I was a part of peace marches during the Dubya years that shut down entire cities. Posters on DP's previous incarnation thought we were awful to waste our time doing protests. And we were un-American to protest a sitting U.S. president while a war was going on.
I got disillusioned about large marches and rallies when I went to Manhattan to protest the Bush Coronation in 2004. Do you want to know why? Because I learned the truth -- they are all staged and choreographed. Mostly by the broadcast media. You want air time? Do something to earn it. Make signs about Bush/Obama being the new Hitler or Stalin. Yell epithets about Bush/Obama being a brutal dictator out to enslave us. Compare Bush/Obama to bin Laden and accuse him of yielding to terrorism.

Because so many DP members are on the other side of the fence, they believe my views are ignorant and unfounded. Mostly because my views are contrary to theirs.
Look at the active membership of DP. Who are the liberals? Me. The asslicking troll Maineman. The often inebriated and incoherent Psychoblues. A few others that rarely show up.
Point is, I am willing to state my opinions and absorb the beatings that go with them. Why don't I stick around and "defend" my views? Or "debate" my views? What's the point? Is anyone going to change their mind? Not likely.
I learn from this board. I've changed some of my views after reading this. I've even agreed witn Nukeman, for God sakes!!

I am young. I am 25 years old. But I have a masters degree in psychology from the University of California at Berkeley. My husband (a conservative, by the way) is an honors graduate of UCLA with a degree in finance. We are educated people.
A lot of people distrust the education system. Most of them are uneducated. :p
I read a lot. I don't watch any TV except childrens programs, with my daughter. You won't catch me watching Fox or any of the network channels during the evening.

I am a secondary school counselor. I work in an under performing school district in a poor area of Orange County. Our focus is on keeping kids in school and out of trouble. Gangs are a problem here. So is teen pregnancy. Kids here have problems that families in the middle to upper class might never encounter. I deal with that every day.
I live in Huntington Beach. It is a more affluent area. I send my daughter to a very good public school. Because that is what every parent wants for their child.
My husband is a good provider. He has come a long way from the high school kid who worked part time in an auto parts store. Or from the debt-ridden fiance who couldn't afford to buy me a real wedding ring. My husband now makes a good living. We are in the upper income bracket.

I believe in my opinions. Sorry if you don't. There is an old song by the heavy metal band Judas Priest that sums up how I feel about my arguments with people. The title is "You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise."
It's true. You can be old and still be incredibly stupid. Read the board on a daily basis and you will see what I am talking about.

[stephanie]

the only problem I'm having little girl, is we had to listen to your ranting about Bush while he was in office, and we are still having to listen them now though he is out of office..you have a one track mind set and won't move on..

I have yet to hear one word from you about your hero, the little Marxist, one way or another..it's still always about Bush..it's becoming boring, I know for me..

If you want to talk politics here since you say this is the only place you do, then please broaden you horizons and talk about things that is happening today..is that too much to ask..and is it too much to ask that you act like a young lady sometimes and not some petulant child who is just here to stir up shit and then leave..

come on little girl I know you can do, I'll wait..

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Gabby, not for a moment have I doubted that you are intelligent and not for a moment did I disagree with your dialog in that post. My beef all along was with its placement.

I am twice your age and I have been dismayed for longer than you have been alive with the continuing degradation of our nation. My father was an infantry scout in front of the front line in Korea and I grew up hearing the stories of the war there. At the age of 18 I was told by several of my elders that I clearly had a very 'old soul' and an understanding of things that most people my age were oblivious of at that time.

I know that people are profoundly set in their ways. I see that and it doesn't surprise me at all. Much of what I see Emmett trying to do here is to convince people that besides adhering to staunch democratic and staunch republican party lines, there is the capacity for a middle ground that could meld us together in a way that would be beneficial to everyone. I have never, ever in my adult life claimed a party affiliation because I see the two party system and its divisiveness as a road to certain failure. I perceive that blindly accepting the agenda of this party or that one is doomed from its inception. Does that make me wishy-washy on the issues? Absolutely not. I, too, have studied history and I am well aware that those who do not heed the lessons learned are doomed to repeat them. I want to see my children enjoy the best this nation has to offer, but the current administration and the past few before it have been hell bent on ripping our constitutional rights to shreds, threatening our future and the futures of our children far beyond anything we would have anticipated just a few short years ago. It has been insidious for a time, becoming more blatant and ever more profound with each passing day. So, with this said, I feel it is vital that we strengthen and encourage one another. We are in for the fight of our lives, the lives of our children and their future children. If we fight amongst ourselves too much, beyond what is necessary to reach the middle ground, then the world will crush us. I believe this with every fiber of my being.

This is why I called you out Gabby, you have something that a lot of other people lack, you have enormous courage, you are passionate. I called on you on your terms and you responded. So, all I ask is that you bridle that and harness the energy within you to bring as many positive contributions as you can....you know you are capable of that. I will bring all the positive contributions I can, and if we all do that, we will establish the means to change the world.

As a side note: My son is a soldier in the army and he was the toughest of my three children to parent. He was frequently defiant, just for the sake of standing a ground he didn't always necessarily believe in. The last thing I want is for him to be deployed, but this is out of my hands. But, I want you to know this, when the recruiters visited my home before he signed up they insisted that he had to tell me why he was convicted that he had to become an active duty soldier. His answer was this "Mom, there are soldiers who have been deployed, and redeployed multiple times because there are not enough specialist in their field to give them the chance to come home and spend time with their families." This from the young man who scraped the bowls clean without offering seconds to anyone else in the house. This from the young man who would eat the last several cookies in the cookie jar without offering them to his sisters. And, I was astonished to realize that all those struggles with my little boy, my pre-teen, my teen, had paid dividends in a selfless young man who was putting others before himself. He desires to do no harm, but, he does desire to preserve our freedom and to serve a country that we all want to believe is the best country in the world. So, for him and all the other soldiers who embrace his attitude, I want desperately to give them a country they can be proud to serve. The more of us who desire that...the better. I hope you agree.

[gabosaurus]

the only problem I'm having little girl, is we had to listen to your ranting about Bush while he was in office, and we are still having to listen them now though he is out of office..you have a one track mind set and won't move on..


I could easily made this part of the post anytime over the previous eight years or so. Because it was true.


the only problem I'm having old girl, is we had to listen to your ranting about Clinton while he was in office, and we are still having to listen them now though he is out of office..you have a one track mind set and won't move on..





I have yet to hear one word from you about your hero, the little Marxist, one way or another..it's still always about Bush..it's becoming boring, I know for me..


When have I ever said that Obama was my "hero"? I voted for him. But I am taking a wait and see attitude about his presidency. He has been in office less than a year now.
I still post about Bush because he is a root cause of all the nation's troubles -- the war, the poor economy, mega corporations gone wild. Everything can be traced back to the little Stalinist.

Go back to early 2001, when the wussy Dubya couldn't get any of his program through Congress. He totally failed on producing an acceptable budget. The Bushies moaned about critics not giving him a chance.
So who is not getting a chance now?

[stephanie]

I could easily made this part of the post anytime over the previous eight years or so. Because it was true.






When have I ever said that Obama was my "hero"? I voted for him. But I am taking a wait and see attitude about his presidency. He has been in office less than a year now.
I still post about Bush because he is a root cause of all the nation's troubles -- the war, the poor economy, mega corporations gone wild. Everything can be traced back to the little Stalinist.

Go back to early 2001, when the wussy Dubya couldn't get any of his program through Congress. He totally failed on producing an acceptable budget. The Bushies moaned about critics not giving him a chance.
So who is not getting a chance now?


sighs....

[Jeff]

I could easily made this part of the post anytime over the previous eight years or so. Because it was true.






When have I ever said that Obama was my "hero"? I voted for him. But I am taking a wait and see attitude about his presidency. He has been in office less than a year now.
I still post about Bush because he is a root cause of all the nation's troubles -- the war, the poor economy, mega corporations gone wild. Everything can be traced back to the little Stalinist.

Go back to early 2001, when the wussy Dubya couldn't get any of his program through Congress. He totally failed on producing an acceptable budget. The Bushies moaned about critics not giving him a chance.
So who is not getting a chance now?

Gabs you say you are 25 that means you were what 17 when GW took office, surley that was old enough to Remember the night that quacke Gore finally admitted defeat, the news media was saying the first thing GW must do is get the economy back on track!!!

So you complain he spent to much, looks like Obama has spent a lot more in less than a year

Look at GW's approval rating it tanked 2 years before he left office, and what happen then, the Dems got control

Was GW perfect absolutely not, but was he a domestic terrorist? Did he break bread with domestic terrorist? Did his preacher tell the world GOD DAMN THE USA? Did he run around the world apologizing for the US? Did he tell us to tighten our belts while he dined on 100 dollar steaks?

See Gabs I am one here that thinks you have a right to your opinion, in my eyes that is what makes a great debate board, if we all agree what is there to debate?

But be honest Gabby, you don't want to debate you would much rather just sling shit, I stood up for you one night , argued you had a right to your opinion, and not so much as a thank you from you

See I learned a valuable lesson from you, there are some that just don't give a shit what they say or do they care, they spew nonsense just to stir the shit

Gabs you have a beautiful little girl and it sounds like a wonderful husband, why would ya want that sweet little girl to have to pay for Obama's F*** ups the rest of her life???

[emmett]

Well thank you, Mr. Emmitt. At least you try to understand.
And you too, Mrs. Bee. I can see your point of view. And I hope you see mine as well.
One trouble with a lot of people, on both sides of the political spectrum, is that they believe that they are always right. If you don't agree with them, then YOU are wrong. Especially if they are older than you. That supposedly gives them a unique perspective that guarantees that they are correct. Even if they aren't.
I get castigated over a lot of issues. Many DP members like to play the "war veteran" patriotism card. "I served in the military, so that makes me better than you. I get a free pass through life, am entitled to eternal respect and am never wrong."
I can play that game. Although I usually decline to do so. I have relatives who fought for their country in the European Theater during World War II. On BOTH sides! Beat that!
My dad's lifelong best friend, the best man in his wedding, served two tours of duty in Viet Nam. Was wounded in combat during his second tour. Like many others, he refused an offer to go home, choosing to remain with his unit.
He is a wonderful person and has profoundly affected my life. Came home, got married, raised kids, never asked anything from anyone. Took care of three kids after his wife died.
He is now an anti-war activist. Told Bush to his face that the Iraq war was wrong. Received numerous rebukes for it. Never backed down, never apologized.

Many DP members scoff at me being a student of history. Sometimes events are best viewed in retrospect. You have more information at your disposal that way. Even before the advent of the internet, you could still read a lot.
You could learn about Reagan undercutting Carter's 1980 presidential campaign with his "arms for hostages" deal with Iran. You ever wonder how the Islamic militants learned about proper placement of roadside bombs and flying planes into buildings? The CIA taught them during the Chechnya insurgency.

You think the tea party rallies are a new and radical idea? I was a part of peace marches during the Dubya years that shut down entire cities. Posters on DP's previous incarnation thought we were awful to waste our time doing protests. And we were un-American to protest a sitting U.S. president while a war was going on.
I got disillusioned about large marches and rallies when I went to Manhattan to protest the Bush Coronation in 2004. Do you want to know why? Because I learned the truth -- they are all staged and choreographed. Mostly by the broadcast media. You want air time? Do something to earn it. Make signs about Bush/Obama being the new Hitler or Stalin. Yell epithets about Bush/Obama being a brutal dictator out to enslave us. Compare Bush/Obama to bin Laden and accuse him of yielding to terrorism.

Because so many DP members are on the other side of the fence, they believe my views are ignorant and unfounded. Mostly because my views are contrary to theirs.
Look at the active membership of DP. Who are the liberals? Me. The asslicking troll Maineman. The often inebriated and incoherent Psychoblues. A few others that rarely show up.
Point is, I am willing to state my opinions and absorb the beatings that go with them. Why don't I stick around and "defend" my views? Or "debate" my views? What's the point? Is anyone going to change their mind? Not likely.
I learn from this board. I've changed some of my views after reading this. I've even agreed witn Nukeman, for God sakes!!

I am young. I am 25 years old. But I have a masters degree in psychology from the University of California at Berkeley. My husband (a conservative, by the way) is an honors graduate of UCLA with a degree in finance. We are educated people.
A lot of people distrust the education system. Most of them are uneducated. :p
I read a lot. I don't watch any TV except childrens programs, with my daughter. You won't catch me watching Fox or any of the network channels during the evening.

I am a secondary school counselor. I work in an under performing school district in a poor area of Orange County. Our focus is on keeping kids in school and out of trouble. Gangs are a problem here. So is teen pregnancy. Kids here have problems that families in the middle to upper class might never encounter. I deal with that every day.
I live in Huntington Beach. It is a more affluent area. I send my daughter to a very good public school. Because that is what every parent wants for their child.
My husband is a good provider. He has come a long way from the high school kid who worked part time in an auto parts store. Or from the debt-ridden fiance who couldn't afford to buy me a real wedding ring. My husband now makes a good living. We are in the upper income bracket.

I believe in my opinions. Sorry if you don't. There is an old song by the heavy metal band Judas Priest that sums up how I feel about my arguments with people. The title is "You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise."
It's true. You can be old and still be incredibly stupid. Read the board on a daily basis and you will see what I am talking about.


Bravo!

:clap:

Now.......

Hear this. I find it hard to believe a young woman with the tools you have would post such a disrespectful bunch of shit I have seen you post. That 9/11 Memorial thread was not the place for what you inserted. The John McCain rant about being a traitor was just puke Gabby. Pure puke!

Since you make the point that waiting around to debate the topics by which you bring up (and you start many threads my dear), is futile, then why bring them up? You talk about being a "lone" rep in a way because you take the heat. Well....you do. You take the heat......to a degree, then you run. You write well, you articulate your points well, and you seem convicted so hang in there and carry your sides flag then.

PS.... your still my favortie little Liberal.:laugh2:

have a nive day.

[gabosaurus]

Hey Jeff, consider this: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was home to 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. The Kingdom was also known to have actively sponsored and financed these terrorist groups. Saudi Arabia is the most hard line Muslim country in the world. G.W. Bush was so friendly with the Saudis that he was affectionately known as "Bandar Bush."
So who was breaking bread with terrorists?

http://i30.tinypic.com/rt22qd.jpg

[emmett]

Thank you for your contribution to this post Emmett. Your post took a little time to read, but certainly was worth every moment.

I have successfully raised three children, and for half the lives of the youngest two I have done it alone, providing for them emotionally and financially with no support from their other parent. Part of the reason I feel they have grown up to be thoughtful and compassionate individuals with a healthy sense of self esteem is that I have called them on the carpet when they got out of line. I have tried hard to be consistent in this endeavor because that, I feel, is fundamental to helping them learn where they need to draw their own lines as they mature.

I look at our society and one of the biggest problems I see is the infighting that takes place, just as it was within my family when my children were younger and the inevitable power struggles would occur. I used to tell them that if we didn't stand together then the stresses of the world would have the power to crush us. I had no issue with the differences that took place as I see these as character building, but I did always insist that there should be ground rules for their debates. If one or more of them could not respect those ground rules I would separate them and not allow them to play together until everyone calmed down.

As for Gabby, I am confident that she as encountered a measure of difficulty in her life, as we all have. I've heard from others here about the tactics she employees to inflame the emotions of others and I have seen it in her posts. Having exercised some 'tough love' tactics with my own children, telling them in no uncertain terms that some of the things they did were wrong when they indicated they felt badly about doing those things I did not hesitate to inform then that they should feel badly about doing bad things. I also told them that this was the development of their conscience and acknowledging the wrongs they had committed would lead them to avoid repeating those behaviors. I really don't see the difference in trying to explain to Gabby that she, too, should feel badly for some of what I've seen here. Perhaps it is my consummate maternal instinct to pull children back in line...after all, they often don't know they've truly crossed a line until they do get pulled back. Sometimes the language seems tougher than other times.

In all honesty, I see the level of intelligence this young woman possesses. It is as clear and plain as a cloudless blue sky. However, a viable analogy to what I'm seeing is that computer hackers are typically highly intelligent, but sadly they use their knowledge to do bad things that are harmful to other people and their computers. Those same people could be involved in the development of wonderful technological advancements, but they choose to do harm instead - so when caught, they should be punished.

In my eyes, Gabby has much to offer and could do so in a very positive way. I called her out and she responded, explaining her position, her motives and her perspective. I felt that I was merely summing it up, but apparently you see that as the low road. Perhaps so. Still, I believe that one must communicate with another on a level they can relate to, so if I sunk to a level you see as beneath me, it will have been worth it if at any time in the future there should be a change of heart on Gabby's side. If there is never a change of heart, then I can still live with the fact that I tried.



:clap:


There......that's what I'm talking about.

[stephanie]

Hey Jeff, consider this: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was home to 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. The Kingdom was also known to have actively sponsored and financed these terrorist groups. Saudi Arabia is the most hard line Muslim country in the world. G.W. Bush was so friendly with the Saudis that he was affectionately known as "Bandar Bush."
So who was breaking bread with terrorists?

http://i30.tinypic.com/rt22qd.jpg

What do you have to say about this little one?????
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/alaskamomma/bowing20to20Saudi20King.jpg

[emmett]

Now THAT is funny!


What DO you think about that Gabster?

[gabosaurus]

Steph, that picture is from the last world leaders summit, is it not? I believe everyone bowed to the king.
I don't see Obama holding hands with the king as he arrived on a personal visit. Or excusing the Saudis for their considerable role in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Out of context much?

[emmett]

Steph, that picture is from the last world leaders summit, is it not? I believe everyone bowed to the king.
I don't see Obama holding hands with the king as he arrived on a personal visit. Or excusing the Saudis for their considerable role in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Out of context much?


Heads of state are NOT expected to bow and never have been in respect for their prospective countries. Obama "chose" to. Basiucally an ass kissing gesture as was George Bush's. Both were and are ass kissers, its as simple as that. Kind of goes with the job of being President. We need that oil, at least they both shared that understanding. :laugh2:

[jimnyc]

Steph, that picture is from the last world leaders summit, is it not? I believe everyone bowed to the king.

I believe this is the first time ever that a US sitting president has bowed to a foreign king. In fact, quoted from the article:


Under no circumstances is it expected or even permitted for an American citizen to bow before any foreign monarch. This is especially true of the elected President of the United States.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1620715/obama_bows_to_the_saudi_king.html?cat=62

[emmett]

I believe this is the first time ever that a US sitting president has bowed to a foreign king. In fact, quoted from the article:



http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1620715/obama_bows_to_the_saudi_king.html?cat=62

I don't seem to remember a US President walking hand in hand with them across the yard either Jim.:poke:

[Abbey Marie]

Interesting thread.

While I don't care for the politicizing of a memorial thread (and I knew someone who died in one of the Towers), I am not appalled as many are. It is a political message board, after all.

I guess what I am saying is that Gabby is intelligent, funny, and she does not generally make the kind of personally offensive posts that some here have. I appreciate that. I know some here will think I've lost my way, but I think Gabby has a lot to offer.

Oh, and welcome JBee! I have been off the board for a bit due to health problems, so I am just getting to read you now.

[gabosaurus]

So basically, no disputes my point. You just feel that two wrong make a right.
It's always someone else's fault.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Interesting thread.

While I don't care for the politicizing of a memorial thread (and I knew someone who died in one of the Towers), I am not appalled as many are. It is a political message board, after all.

I guess what I am saying is that Gabby is intelligent, funny, and she does not generally make the kind of personally offensive posts that some here have. I appreciate that. I know some here will think I've lost my way, but I think Gabby has a lot to offer.

Oh, and welcome JBee! I have been off the board for a bit due to health problems, so I am just getting to read you now.

Hi Abbey, Glad you are back on the board. I hope that means the health problems are totally resolved. When I first got here I read through a lot of the posts to get the lay of the land, so to speak. I've seen a lot of good posts on both ends of the spectrum. I am ecstatic to be here. (Though you won't really find me spinning in circles as one picture would imply) ;)

[stephanie]

So basically, no disputes my point. You just feel that two wrong make a right.
It's always someone else's fault.

who you talking to little one, yourself?

it's like you said, what's the point...

[Jeff]

Hey Jeff, consider this: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was home to 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. The Kingdom was also known to have actively sponsored and financed these terrorist groups. Saudi Arabia is the most hard line Muslim country in the world. G.W. Bush was so friendly with the Saudis that he was affectionately known as "Bandar Bush."
So who was breaking bread with terrorists?

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First off Gabby I see where ya were referring to me I guess about not responding, I have a job, LOL, as we all do I hope

But to the point, holding hands isn't right, but by no means is it bowing to the ass, secondly have ya ever heard the name Ayers? A known domestic terrorist, Obama's buddy, Obama's preacher the rev MM, no just kidding, the Rev. Wright, another very patriotic person, Lets see he is my spiritual adviser married my wife and I and baptized our kids, LOL, hmmmmm Wrights famous words God Damn The USA

Enough said!!

[gabosaurus]

Obama has distanced himself from Wright and Ayers. Dubya never distanced himself from the Saudis. Continued to send them money right to the end of his term.

See what I mean about the brick wall, Emmett?

[stephanie]

Obama has distanced himself from Wright and Ayers. Dubya never distanced himself from the Saudis. Continued to send them money right to the end of his term.

See what I mean about the brick wall, Emmett?


oh so you know for a FACT that the little Marxist has DISTANCED himself from Wright and Ayers?

And what is the little Marxist doing bowing down to the same Saudi King, distancing himself???

see what WE mean little one..

[emmett]

Obama has distanced himself from Wright and Ayers. Dubya never distanced himself from the Saudis. Continued to send them money right to the end of his term.

See what I mean about the brick wall, Emmett?


Well...actually Gabby, I'm not a real big fan of Barack Obama. There are just sooo many more democrats who would be far better qualified to be president. Zell Miller for one (a popular favorite of mine).

I held my judgement of him until I weighed the evidence. I gotta say he has had some pretty shady friends. Ayers, Wright and many others! Just the thought of a president having EVER been friends with a known and admitted terrorist (which he is) gives me the creeps personally.

He is a great speech giver, reads them with great poise and knows how to deliver. Honestly though, that is all I think he does well. The rest is hot air. Eisenhower was president when I was born so i've seen a few and he couldn't shine most of their shoes.

The czars in themselves prove he wishes no transparency. All these folks he has with no confirmation process to hire is out and out ridiculous. Anyone can see that.

Sometimes it is very hard to admit when we've made a mistake but we have truly made one here.

[Mr. P]

Well...actually Gabby, I'm not a real big fan of Barack Obama. There are just sooo many more democrats who would be far better qualified to be president. Zell Miller for one (a popular favorite of mine).

I held my judgement of him until I weighed the evidence. I gotta say he has had some pretty shady friends. Ayers, Wright and many others! Just the thought of a president having EVER been friends with a known and admitted terrorist (which he is) gives me the creeps personally.

He is a great speech giver, reads them with great poise and knows how to deliver. Honestly though, that is all I think he does well. The rest is hot air. Eisenhower was president when I was born so i've seen a few and he couldn't shine most of their shoes.

The czars in themselves prove he wishes no transparency. All these folks he has with no confirmation process to hire is out and out ridiculous. Anyone can see that.

Sometimes it is very hard to admit when we've made a mistake but we have truly made one here.

You racist!!!

[emmett]

You racist!!!

OK..OK

I was a little quick to say he wouldn't make a good shoeshine boy!:laugh2:

[jimnyc]

If I hijacked a thread, it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. DP has a long and inglorious history of threads being hijacked for all the wrong reasons.
My point is this: A thread was started as a memorial of such to Sept. 11 victims. I was honoring the victims by asking why they had to die in the first place.

And pissing on GWB for actions he had nothing to do with is ludicrous. I can see disagreeing on how he handled the ensuing wars, but suggesting they shouldn't have died in the first place because of GWB is, like I said, completely ludicrous.

And that's what you still don't get. No one is bitching at you for your opinions from 9/12 forward. We were honoring 9/11 as a day, and those who passed away. No prior events, dealings, friendships or pictures will somehow make any of our politicians responsible for 9/11.

I ask you again, if you're willing to piss on a thread here honoring the fallen on 9/11, would you be willing to go to one of the 3 memorials and protest during said memorial? Whether you would or wouldn't, do you think it would be appropriate to protest at such a place and time?

[gabosaurus]

Sorry folks. You need to do your homework better. Perhaps read something that is outside the realm of conservative politics.
Let's start with Dubya's first cabinet meeting, Jan. 2001. The dominant topic was how to get rid of Saddam. Dubya was unhappy with him.
In the summer of 2001, Dubya received several security memos that terrorists were plotting an attack on U.S. soil. The latest came in mid-August. Dubya ignored them as "implausible."

Let's talk about shady friends. Reagan propped up the Shah of Iran. Bush I openly dealt with Middle Eastern terrorists. Who knows how many cretins Clinton dealt with.
In addition to Saudi backers of terrorism, Dubya was in bed with Mexican drug cartels. You should read about it. Pretty fascinating stuff.
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg52098.html

Obama has publicly distanced himself from Wright and Ayers. Perhaps it wasn't on Fox, so you can be excused for not noticing.
I am not a committed follower, but I am willing to give Obama a chance. It's already mid-September and no one has attacked our country yet. That is better than Bush did.
As far as anyone knows, Obama is not yet plotting to illegally attack any sovereign foreign countries. He hasn't considered invading Buffalo.

I'm giving Obama to solve some very serious problems left by his incompetent predecessor. I'm not happy about his failure to set a deadline for removing troops from the Middle East. He had promised 18-24 months. But I am willing to wait on that one.

[jimnyc]

Sorry folks. You need to do your homework better. Perhaps read something that is outside the realm of conservative politics.

Considering your post seems to address my questions, am I to assume these lame comments are directed at me?


Let's start with Dubya's first cabinet meeting, Jan. 2001. The dominant topic was how to get rid of Saddam.

And the topic and paperwork was passed on to him from Clinton. I think his administration would be at fault if they DIDN'T discuss the situation ASAP.


Dubya was unhappy with him.

As was the majority of Earth.


In the summer of 2001, Dubya received several security memos that terrorists were plotting an attack on U.S. soil. The latest came in mid-August. Dubya ignored them as "implausible."

Link for the "quote"? Regardless, the memos certainly did prompt more attention but did nothing to prevent the attacks of 9/11. These people were long in our country and planning and it was like finding a needle in a haystack.


Let's talk about shady friends. Reagan propped up the Shah of Iran. Bush I openly dealt with Middle Eastern terrorists. Who knows how many cretins Clinton dealt with.

I can probably go through the list of presidents in the past 100 years and point out how they were friendly with certain enemies. Sometimes it's best to befriend the enemy of your enemy.


In addition to Saudi backers of terrorism, Dubya was in bed with Mexican drug cartels. You should read about it. Pretty fascinating stuff.
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg52098.html

Can you provide a LITTLE more proof of these assertions than an archive of a likely retarded chain email?

[Jeff]

Obama has distanced himself from Wright and Ayers. Dubya never distanced himself from the Saudis. Continued to send them money right to the end of his term.

See what I mean about the brick wall, Emmett?

First are you replying to me or Emmett, 2nd although the terrorist had citizenship in Saudi Arab that doesn't mean we were at war with the country, for that matter you say GW was a criminal does that make you a criminal also?

As for Obama distancing himself from his buddies, does this mean a man that commits murder and distances himself from the crime is now innocent?

[Agnapostate]

Planning for 9/11 began under the Clinton administration and OBL wished to accelerate the timeline twice, both times in response to what he perceived as provocative actions by Ariel Sharon, not GWB. Unless Bush had cut off a substantial amount of military and financial aid to the Israeli government (and he always caved to them too easily), I doubt that OBL cared much about what he did and would have ordered the attacks carried out anyway.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Anyone who knows their history is aware of the fact that OBLaden split with the Saudi's in the 1990's. He pitched a temper tantrum after the Saudi monarchy chose to accept help from the U.S. instead of using OBLaden's Arab League to quell the Iraqi invasion in Kuwait. The monarchy attempted to silence his protest and it was from that point on that he sought vengeance against the U.S., along with anyone and everyone who is friendly with the U.S. His ever growing band of thugs have been expanding their philosophies throughout the Middle East and into Africa. Just like fascist nazi's did in Europe.

Radical Islamic extremists have certainly been around longer than that...but they kept their radicalism closer to home until Bin Laden started spreading it like a plague. So, a great deal of the terrorism suffered around the world is the result of a very wealthy spoiled man getting mad and taking it out on all the rest of us.

[gabosaurus]

Greatest song ever written about G.W. Bush:

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[DragonStryk72]

Mrs. Bee, you have hit the jackpot. Humor is often just that -- humor. Same with sarcasm. I happen to be a huge fan of sarcasm. Sometimes, the only way to get people's attention is to piss them off.

As a newcomer, you need to understand how this forum works. There is a certain decorum at work, a method to the madness.
Let's suppose there is a thread started (by Martin, most likely :p ) about what animal you like most, a sheep or a cow. The vast majority of DP members will not care. They are both wonderful animals, very tasty and all. No debate between sheep and cows.
Until the day comes when Obama delivers a speech talking about his respect for cows, and how they are more worthy than sheep. That changes the dynamics immediately.
Rush Limbaugh comes on the next days, lauding the noble cow and slagging the worthless sheep population. Glen Beck follows by accusing sheep of supporting terrorism.
DP swings into action, with RSR posting a blog about how about how many sheep are Muslims. Others wonder why no sheep own handguns.
Cows are suddenly awash with patriotism. Sheep are cowards who want to raise our taxes.

Just the way things go around here. You are either with the majority, or you are a terrorist liberal fag who hates America.

Okay, as a longer time member than Bee, I'll launch. you weren't in a Debate thread, you were in a memorial thread, Gabs. Now, I haven't had much issue with you over the years, but frankly, you directly offended someone for the sake of a in no way funny joke. Would it be impossible to concede the point here that it was in poor taste, apologize, and walk away a bigger person for it?

Note: I ask no one respond to this with a slap at Gabs, it won't help, and it'll only make the problem worse. If you agree with what I'm saying here, do so with jibes.

[Abbey Marie]

First off Gabby I see where ya were referring to me I guess about not responding, I have a job, LOL, as we all do I hope

But to the point, holding hands isn't right, but by no means is it bowing to the ass, secondly have ya ever heard the name Ayers? A known domestic terrorist, Obama's buddy, Obama's preacher the rev MM, no just kidding, the Rev. Wright, another very patriotic person, Lets see he is my spiritual adviser married my wife and I and baptized our kids, LOL, hmmmmm Wrights famous words God Damn The USA

Enough said!!

Yup. Holding hands is, if anything, a sign of equality of position. Bowing is subserviant.

[Jeff]

Greatest song ever written about G.W. Bush:

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LOL, I tried to listen Gabby but damn I guess I am just to old, I use to listen to that stuff when I was wasted out of my mind, but hell I couldn't understand what he was saying, come to think of it I really didn't understand what they were saying when I was wasted either, LOL

[namvet]

I think it was Red who said she had a case of VD. and ????

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Yah, de witch is trying her crap up top, with a thread thats disrespectful.
2. Damned witch!!!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[namvet]

If I hijacked a thread, it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. DP has a long and inglorious history of threads being hijacked for all the wrong reasons.
My point is this: A thread was started as a memorial of such to Sept. 11 victims. I was honoring the victims by asking why they had to die in the first place.
I realize that very few members of this board will ever understand what I am talking about. They are on one side of the political spectrum and I am on the other side. You are never going to agree with me.
Politics may dominate your lives, but it rarely enters into mine. This is the only place I ever discuss anything political. I don't even talk politics with my husband.
If you want to organize and tea party and debate on this board all day, that is fine. My emphasis is on keeping kids in school and raising a third grader.
As long as I am on this board, I will be voicing my opinions. You will not be in agreements on most counts.
In many instances, I will be pissing you off royally. Too bad. Feel free to complain to the DP powers that be. If they decide to agree with you, then they know what to do. :D


I was honoring the victims by asking why they had to die in the first place.



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