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Little-Acorn
09-16-2009, 05:49 PM
Coulter puts it as clearly as anyone I've read. Kudoes!

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Liberal lies about health care: Joe Wilson edition!

by Ann Coulter
Posted: September 16, 2009
6:00 pm Eastern

I'm trying to get to the next installment of my Pulitzer Prize-deserving series on liberal lies about national health care, but apparently liberals have decided to torture us by neurotically fixating on one lie.

After President Barack Obama gave a speech to a joint session of Congress last week passionately defending his national health-care plan, the Democrats were agog at the brilliance of the speech. Nancy Pelosi was so thrilled, her expression almost changed.

But as Obama ticked off one demonstrably false claim after another – eliciting 37 standing ovations from the Democrats in the audience – America's greatest living statesman, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., yelled out, "You lie!" in response to Obama's claim that the bill will not cover illegal aliens.

There are a number of theories about why America's greatest living statesman shouted "You lie!" at that juncture, but mine is that Wilson said it because Obama told a big, fat, stinking lie.

Every single American knows it's a lie. But liberals take pleasure in repeating it – and then condescendingly accusing anyone who doesn't accept their lie of being a toothless, illiterate racist.

Our politicians, media and courts have done everything they can to encourage illegal immigration, including obstinately refusing to enforce the border. While illegals streaming across the border generally aren't prosecuted, U.S. border patrol agents who naively try to guard the border often are.

Wise (and pregnant) Latinas dash across the border just in time to give birth at American hospitals – medical services paid for by U.S. taxpayers – gaining instant citizenship for their children, thereby entitling them to the entire Chinese menu of American welfare programs.

In 2004, 42.6 percent of all babies born at taxpayer expense in California were born to illegal aliens, according to a state report on Medi-Cal-funded deliveries. In hospitals close to the Mexican border, the figure is closer to 80 percent. Remember: This is before health care becomes "free" to every U.S. resident.

Hospitals across the country are going bankrupt because the federal government forces them to provide free services to illegals. This situation appears to have angered some segment of the population, in particular, American citizens who pay taxes to support the hospitals, but then are forced to spend hours writhing in pain in hospital waiting rooms.

With Americans in a boiling cauldron of rage about the government's impotent response to the tsunami of illegal immigrants, last year, both political parties ran candidates for president who favor amnesty for illegal immigrants.

And now Democrats have the audacity to tell us to our faces that national health care won't cover illegals. Not only that, but they tell us we must not be able to read if we think it does.

The crystalline example of this sneering liberal pomposity came from MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday night:

Reading the House health-care bill would show you that (the bill does not cover illegal aliens). But you know, sometimes reading is hard. Fortunately, in the case of the health-reform bill, there is a way to get all of the information that's in it without any of that pesky reading.

It's called HearTheBill.org. Volunteer voiceover actors have donated their time to read all 1,017 pages of the house health-care reform bill, H.R. 3200, the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.

So if you don't want to tire out your eyes, you could just listen to the thing that disproves (Rep. Wilson).

Maddow then played an audio clip of Section 246 from the bill. This section, which liberals keep brandishing like a DNA-stained dress, states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

In other words, illegal aliens are excluded from precisely one section of the thousand-page, goodie-laden health-care bill: Section 246, which distributes taxpayer-funded "affordability credits" to people who can't afford to pay for their own health care.

Even this minor restriction on taxpayer largesse to illegals will immediately be overturned by the courts. But the point is: Except for vouchers, the bill does not even pretend to exclude illegals from any part of national health care – including the taxpayer-funded health insurance plan.

Moreover, liberals won't have to wait for some court to find that the words "nothing in this subtitle shall allow" means "this bill allows," because the bill contains no mechanism to ensure that the health-care vouchers aren't going to illegal aliens. Nor does the bill prohibit the states from providing taxpayer-funded health care vouchers to illegals.

Democrats keep voting down Republican amendments that would insert these restrictions – just before dashing to a TV studio to denounce anyone who says the health-care bill covers illegal aliens.

It's as if we have a relative who shows up at every holiday gathering, gets bombed and totals the family car. At the 18th Christmas celebration, he's not only demanding a drink, but also calling us liars for saying he's already totaled 17 family cars. Gimme a gin and tonic and the car keys, you lying racist!

I think that's why America's greatest living statesman erupted with rage when Obama retailed this particular lie during his speech on health care.

It's bad enough to be lied to, but to be lied to by people who accuse us of not being able to read when the problem is that we can read – and also can remember what happened at the last 17 family Christmases – is more than even Mother Teresa could bear without a quick heckle.

Agnapostate
09-16-2009, 05:59 PM
Coulter puts it as clearly as anyone I've read.

I don't doubt that.

Gaffer
09-17-2009, 11:03 AM
I don't doubt that.

If you read her instead of your communist propaganda the view from your ant hill might be a little different.

Agnapostate
09-17-2009, 12:51 PM
If you read her instead of your communist propaganda the view from your ant hill might be a little different.

I've read all of her books and many of her articles. I find my communist literature substantially more engaging and sensible, though it does lack that certain comic appeal that the Coultergeist provides.

Gaffer
09-17-2009, 01:58 PM
I've read all of her books and many of her articles. I find my communist literature substantially more engaging and sensible, though it does lack that certain comic appeal that the Coultergeist provides.

You do know how communism works don't you? It's a pyramid scheme. Those at the top get everything and control all those at the bottom who get nothing. Where do you think you will end up in this pyramid? How many people are you willing to kill to get to the top? True believers always end up greatly disappointed.

Agnapostate
09-17-2009, 04:18 PM
You do know how communism works don't you? It's a pyramid scheme. Those at the top get everything and control all those at the bottom who get nothing. Where do you think you will end up in this pyramid? How many people are you willing to kill to get to the top? True believers always end up greatly disappointed.

I'm not interested in this, as it's mere regurgitation of the standard fallacies of economically misinformed Internet rightists who can do nothing more than refer to the USSR and the NHS as examples of "socialism." I do wish I'd encounter an informed one...

Gaffer
09-18-2009, 11:35 AM
I'm not interested in this, as it's mere regurgitation of the standard fallacies of economically misinformed Internet rightists who can do nothing more than refer to the USSR and the NHS as examples of "socialism." I do wish I'd encounter an informed one...

Just the kind of response I would expect from you. There are not examples of socialism, there is just socialism. And I will ask the same question others have asked in other threads. Can you name a country where socialism has succeeded?

cat slave
09-19-2009, 11:24 AM
Lets all give Ann a standing ovation! Shes got it on the ball. Some people
just cant handle the truth.:clap::clap::clap:

Agnapostate
09-19-2009, 11:56 PM
Just the kind of response I would expect from you. There are not examples of socialism, there is just socialism. And I will ask the same question others have asked in other threads. Can you name a country where socialism has succeeded?

I can and have, but there are no rightists here who know anything about socialist political economy, as far as I can discern. Screaming about progressive taxation and Leninism is hardly a good start, and is nothing that can't be found on WorldNutDaily.

gabosaurus
09-20-2009, 01:15 AM
Nice to know that Ann Coulter is still around. I thought she might have jumped off a bridge after the 2008 election shambles.
Of course, Ann Coulter is a liar. And Joe Wilson is an assclown.

red states rule
09-20-2009, 06:29 AM
Nice to know that Ann Coulter is still around. I thought she might have jumped off a bridge after the 2008 election shambles.
Of course, Ann Coulter is a liar. And Joe Wilson is an assclown.

I am glad to see people like Ann and Rep Wilson gretr under your skin Gabby. That tells me they are doing the right thing for the nation

Once again, you give no examples to back up your attacks - you are still in drive by poster mode

But truth, and reality, were never your strong points to begin with

cat slave
09-20-2009, 07:25 AM
Just the kind of response I would expect from you. There are not examples of socialism, there is just socialism. And I will ask the same question others have asked in other threads. Can you name a country where socialism has succeeded?


Good question. Name one.

To the commy!
That was just the babble I would expect from a communist who cherishes
the down trodden, the lowly "worker". This is a perfect example of the
liberal elites drinking their Kool Aide and spending everyone elses money...
as long as they can perch on their ivory lofty perch and tout the virtues
of their failed political self righteousness.

Psychoblues
09-20-2009, 09:03 AM
I don't either. Ain't LA a trip!?!?!!?!?!?!!!?!?!!?!?!?!!


I don't doubt that.

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

DragonStryk72
09-20-2009, 11:36 AM
Sorry, can't agree with the headline here. Coulter is just as much of a problem for our country as Michael Moore is. They're both responsible in their own ways for widening the divide in this country.

Psychoblues
09-20-2009, 11:48 AM
I mostly agree with you here, DS72.


Sorry, can't agree with the headline here. Coulter is just as much of a problem for our country as Michael Moore is. They're both responsible in their own ways for widening the divide in this country.

Here is where we might disagree. Ann Coulter is a proven liar time and time again. She is agenda driven and will not hesitate to lie or distort the truth to make her point. Michael Moore, on the other hand, tells the truth but in a manner in which many might find unpleasant. Do you want to discuss the findings and reports of Michael Moore? I'll be happy to discuss them with you if you will promise to remain truthful and adhere to fair debate considerations. I refuse to debate with a stubborn dining room table leg, if you know what mean?!?!??!?!?!?!??!??!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

DragonStryk72
09-20-2009, 11:53 AM
I mostly agree with you here, DS72.



Here is where we might disagree. Ann Coulter is a proven liar time and time again. She is agenda driven and will not hesitate to lie or distort the truth to make her point. Michael Moore, on the other hand, tells the truth but in a manner in which many might find unpleasant. Do you want to discuss the findings and reports of Michael Moore? I'll be happy to discuss them with you if you will promise to remain truthful and adhere to fair debate considerations. I refuse to debate with a stubborn dining room table leg, if you know what mean?!?!??!?!?!?!??!??!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

Actually, Michael Moore's are just as biased, just going in the opposite direction. I accuse neither one of out and out lying, actually, and that's really the problem. they both have enough factual points to support their claims, but the way in which they do it is so overwrought, that they widen the divide.

Agnapostate
09-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Good question. Name one.

To the commy!
That was just the babble I would expect from a communist who cherishes
the down trodden, the lowly "worker". This is a perfect example of the
liberal elites drinking their Kool Aide and spending everyone elses money...
as long as they can perch on their ivory lofty perch and tout the virtues
of their failed political self righteousness.

I'm not interested in this blathering, either; it merely constitutes standard rightist regurgitations of talking points without thought behind them. Start a separate thread about communism if you're so obsessed with it.

REDWHITEBLUE2
09-20-2009, 08:25 PM
I am glad to see people like Ann and Rep Wilson gretr under your skin Gabby. That tells me they are doing the right thing for the nation

Once again, you give no examples to back up your attacks - you are still in drive by poster mode

But truth, and reality, were never your strong points to begin with

AMEN TO THAT :beer:

NightTrain
10-01-2009, 11:38 PM
I don't either. Ain't LA a trip!?!?!!?!?!?!!!?!?!!?!?!?!!



:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

Awwwww, sorry I missed your retarded emoticons and mandatory 20+ puncuations to emphasize your point... if you had one, that is.

Allow me to add something accurate to your profile:

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