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red states rule
10-05-2009, 07:33 AM
The more people learn what is in Obamacare the more people oppose it. Why would anyone want this bill passed?



The health care taxman cometh

Campaign promises are like fruit flies - they never live very long. The latest to go legs-up is President Obama's campaign pledge that not "one single dime" of new taxes will hit families making less than $250,000 annually.

If by "not one single dime" then-candidate Obama meant about $2 billion, he should love the Senate Finance Committee's embrace of additional taxes on the middle class and younger Americans.

According to new Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation figures, 71 percent of the individual "penalties" in Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus' health care plan would hit families well under Mr. Obama's threshold. If the president signs the legislation, $2 billion of $2.8 billion in expected penalties faced by those who refuse to buy health insurance would be paid by families of four earning less than $120,000 annually.

The White House's response is to argue that this is not a tax, equating the penalty to a speeding ticket. If you've ever been in a town with speed and red-light cameras, you know tickets are all about revenue, just like taxes. We've heard it all before under different guises, such as talk about "revenue enhancers" or "user fees" or measures to close supposed loopholes. The reality is simple. If the feds are taking your money to pay for government expenses, it is a tax, no matter what spin Democrats want to put on it.

The bill also would raise taxes by making it more difficult for people to deduct medical expenses. Committee lawmakers looking to protect themselves against a possible backlash from older voters decided this week to exempt taxpayers older than 65 from this tax increase. The youth tax will hit the pre-AARP set with more than $15 billion in new taxes over 10 years. For those who aren't paying attention, the average earnings of those younger than 50 is considerably lower than the earnings of older Americans.

Social Security is funded under a similar shell-game scheme, with younger workers' taxes paying the retirement benefits of older Americans. In good economic times and when workers greatly outnumber retirees, problems with the system are obscured by the gusher of surplus cash. But when times are tough or there aren't enough young taxpayers to carry the burden of a graying nation, big deficits are the inevitable result.

Democrats have promised Americans a medical nirvana where no one pays for anything and everyone gets the best care imaginable. If that's not quite so and a new health care paradise requires some new taxes, a little honesty would be nice. Don't expect to hear it from those making the decisions about your future health and wealth.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/05/the-health-care-taxman-cometh/

Jeff
10-05-2009, 08:19 AM
The more people learn what is in Obamacare the more people oppose it. Why would anyone want this bill passed?



The health care taxman cometh

Campaign promises are like fruit flies - they never live very long. The latest to go legs-up is President Obama's campaign pledge that not "one single dime" of new taxes will hit families making less than $250,000 annually.

If by "not one single dime" then-candidate Obama meant about $2 billion, he should love the Senate Finance Committee's embrace of additional taxes on the middle class and younger Americans.

According to new Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation figures, 71 percent of the individual "penalties" in Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus' health care plan would hit families well under Mr. Obama's threshold. If the president signs the legislation, $2 billion of $2.8 billion in expected penalties faced by those who refuse to buy health insurance would be paid by families of four earning less than $120,000 annually.

The White House's response is to argue that this is not a tax, equating the penalty to a speeding ticket. If you've ever been in a town with speed and red-light cameras, you know tickets are all about revenue, just like taxes. We've heard it all before under different guises, such as talk about "revenue enhancers" or "user fees" or measures to close supposed loopholes. The reality is simple. If the feds are taking your money to pay for government expenses, it is a tax, no matter what spin Democrats want to put on it.

The bill also would raise taxes by making it more difficult for people to deduct medical expenses. Committee lawmakers looking to protect themselves against a possible backlash from older voters decided this week to exempt taxpayers older than 65 from this tax increase. The youth tax will hit the pre-AARP set with more than $15 billion in new taxes over 10 years. For those who aren't paying attention, the average earnings of those younger than 50 is considerably lower than the earnings of older Americans.

Social Security is funded under a similar shell-game scheme, with younger workers' taxes paying the retirement benefits of older Americans. In good economic times and when workers greatly outnumber retirees, problems with the system are obscured by the gusher of surplus cash. But when times are tough or there aren't enough young taxpayers to carry the burden of a graying nation, big deficits are the inevitable result.

Democrats have promised Americans a medical nirvana where no one pays for anything and everyone gets the best care imaginable. If that's not quite so and a new health care paradise requires some new taxes, a little honesty would be nice. Don't expect to hear it from those making the decisions about your future health and wealth.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/05/the-health-care-taxman-cometh/

Has Obama even kept one promise he made while campaigning? As for new taxes he broke that promise in what his first week as president, what gets me is there are still idiots who believe in this guy

red states rule
10-05-2009, 08:20 AM
Has Obama even kept one promise he made while campaigning? As for new taxes he broke that promise in what his first week as president, what gets me is there are still idiots who believe in this guy

He is bringing change Jeff - not the change he promised however

Jeff
10-05-2009, 08:26 AM
He is bringing change Jeff - not the change he promised however

Yes he is bringing change OK, true failure, that is his change :laugh2:

CSM
10-05-2009, 08:30 AM
from what I can see, Obama is still campaigning and hasn't go the time to actually LEAD much less fulfill any prior campaign promises. Besides, campaign promises are just about the same as the little white lies told to children to make them behave.

Jeff
10-05-2009, 08:33 AM
from what I can see, Obama is still campaigning and hasn't go the time to actually LEAD much less fulfill any prior campaign promises. Besides, campaign promises are just about the same as the little white lies told to children to make them behave.

Obama isn't campaigning any more, he is now a rock star, LOL, he is to busy being popular to actually do and leading :laugh2:

As for his promises ya had to be a complete idiot to think any would come true

red states rule
10-05-2009, 09:03 AM
People are not buying what the Scamwow President is selling


Fear of Losing Private Health Insurance Trumps 'Public Option'

Sunday, October 04, 2009


Sixty-three percent (63%) of voters nationwide say guaranteeing that no one is forced to change their health insurance coverage is a higher priority than giving consumers the choice of a "public option" health insurance company.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 29% take the opposite view. They say it’s more important to give people a government-sponsored non-profit health insurance option.

Most liberal voters say giving people the choice of a public option is more important. But most moderates put guaranteeing that no one is forced to change their health insurance first, and conservatives overwhelmingly agree with them.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/october_2009/fear_of_losing_private_health_insurance_trumps_pub lic_option