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Just sittin here, as you do, reading through the Muslim shooter attack, and all the talk of Jihad ect, got me thinking, Atheists are considered Evil by those who follow whatever God, given that and Atheist does not follow their god, but are there any examples of Atheists killing for their beliefs?
Cus i can think of plenty of Religious folks who have, given that they believe that the ends always justify the means, but i can not think of an Atheist example, anyone?
Posted the same question on another site and got a picture response
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/jonathan-mcc/photo4-5.jpg?t=1257792744
:laugh2:
That's cause they have no cause greater then themselves so therefore they have nothing worth living or dying for...
That's cause they have no cause greater then themselves so therefore they have nothing worth living or dying for...
Ergo nothing worth killing for (or atleast in the name of)
Most interesting,
And btw, i live for the love of those around me, not nothing as you suggest.
chloe
11-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Jeffrey Dahmer
Dahmer was born into a family of devout members of the Stone-Campbell denomination known as the "church of Christ" or "Churches of Christ." He was an active churchgoer until the age of 5. After that, Dahmer was never again actively religious or a regular churchgoer......
http://www.adherents.com/people/pd/Jeffrey_Dahmer.html
Ergo nothing worth killing for (or atleast in the name of)
Most interesting,
And btw, i live for the love of those around me, not nothing as you suggest.
And what would you live for if you didn't have that love?
Jeffrey Dahmer
Dahmer was born into a family of devout members of the Stone-Campbell denomination known as the "church of Christ" or "Churches of Christ." He was an active churchgoer until the age of 5. After that, Dahmer was never again actively religious or a regular churchgoer......
http://www.adherents.com/people/pd/Jeffrey_Dahmer.html
Having skimmed over the article i did not see evidence that Dahmer murdered due to Athiest convictions, unless i have mis-read,
And what would you live for if you didn't have that love?
I know not what i'd live for, infact i wouldn't know if i'd want to live as such a situation could only arise if i were to lose contact with every human being on the planet, not something that i should think anyone desires,
I do however find warmth in the knowledge that such a situation will never come to pass :)
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 05:54 PM
Just sittin here, as you do, reading through the Muslim shooter attack, and all the talk of Jihad ect, got me thinking, Atheists are considered Evil by those who follow whatever God, given that and Atheist does not follow their god, but are there any examples of Atheists killing for their beliefs?
Cus i can think of plenty of Religious folks who have, given that they believe that the ends always justify the means, but i can not think of an Atheist example, anyone?Atheist are actually among the most rational thinkers in the world.
Whether or not they are right is debatable, but they do judge by known facts alone, void of faith.
I just noticed you are from UK...A Brit I imagine?...This explains alot...You were once a great people.
Sadly, most of your people have surrendered to big government control and political correctness programming.
A few have managed to keep their minds free from the government and media bombardment of liberal propaganda.
You should free your mind and join them Noir...To remain with the herd will eventually lead you to a marxist slaughter house.
Abandon the sheep and join the wolves out here in the wide open spaces of the mind, free and unafraid to see the facts and speak the truth.
And the fresh air and food is much better. :thumb:
Atheist are actually among the most rational thinkers in the world.
I couldn't concur more,
Whether or not they are right is debatable, but they do judge by known facts alone, void of faith.
Tis the great weapon of religion, they can never be proven wrong, because you can not disprove a negative (The irony being that they can never disprove a negitive either, setp in the space teapot and flying spaghetti monster)
I just noticed you are from UK...A Brit I imagine?...This explains alot...You were once a great people.
I am indeedy, born and raised in Northern Ireland, currently living in England for Uni.
I don't get what the 'once great people' has to do with anything.
Sadly, most of your people have surrendered to big government control and political correctness programming.
Indeed they have, however, i would much rather our system to yours, though the goverment is too big here.
A few have managed to keep their minds free from the government and media bombardment of liberal propaganda.
Pointless comment is pointless.
You should free your mind and join them Noir...To remain with the herd will eventually lead you to a marxist slaughter house.
There you are making assumptions about me again, when you honestly know hardly anything of what i believe in, please stop doing that,
Abandon the sheep and join the wolves out here in the wide open spaces of the mind, free and unafraid to see the facts and speak the truth.
blar blar blar....
And the fresh air and food is much better. :thumb:
Blar blar blar...
Are you a Christain yourself? It is also notable that you didn't address the OP question, does that mean you agree with the OP?
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 06:52 PM
Are you a Christain yourself? It is also notable that you didn't address the OP question, does that mean you agree with the OP?Under normal circumstances, atheist killing for their atheist beliefs would not be rational and therefore would not be natural to their rational nature Mr Spock...Blar-Blar-Blar!
No, I am not a Christian, although I believe modern Christianity to be the kindest, most compassionate religion on the planet and nearly as peaceful as the Budhist.
Muslims on the other hand are the cruelist most savage religion practiced today...They are murderous and coldblooded and oppressive and cruel to their women.
Although I do not know if he is the son of God, I do believe Jesus Christ was a very good and kind man whose arrival sparked modern civilization.
His messege has slowly spread around the world and become the guidelines for how people treat each other, which is a very good thing.
If spreading that messege through religion works best then so be it...I have no problem with that...Christians are good people and their messege is beautiful.
The new progressives who hate religion and spread false propaganda and hatred for religion, especially Christianity, have a marxist agenda and believe that it is an obsticle to their socialist goals.
Marxist believe religion is "the opium of the people"...I approve of anything and everything that the marxist hate..."The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
crin63
11-09-2009, 06:55 PM
Athiests are just the engineers of mass murder. They go under name of Marxism, Communism, and Socialism. Guys like Hitler, Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, you know those rational thinkers.
One other thought. There had to first be a Theist in order for there to be an Atheist.
Athiests are just the engineers of mass murder. They go under name of Marxism, Communism, and Socialism. Guys like Hitler, Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, you know those rational thinkers.
One other thought. There had to first be a Theist in order for there to be an Atheist.
Utter tosh, using names like Stalin, Stalin did not kill in the name of athism, to claim otherwise is daft, he did what he did because he was an evil person, the very fact that he was an athiest had nothing to do with his actions,
The same can not be said for religious mass-murderers,
So my question still stands, any athiests who murdered for their beliefs as many religious folk have?
chloe
11-09-2009, 07:14 PM
Having skimmed over the article i did not see evidence that Dahmer murdered due to Athiest convictions, unless i have mis-read,
he was not religious, name me all the types and sects of Atheists groups and I will research the killers for you. Im sure there are athiests who are in the groups of scientists who created agent orange, stem cell research, abortion tools, also ethnic cleansing, genocide, racial wars, those who create viruses for war, plagues etc who may also be a member of an atheist church or sect. If you could list the types of atheiests that would be great, as there are so many churches, im sure atheists have many divisions too.
Missileman
11-09-2009, 07:16 PM
Athiests are just the engineers of mass murder. They go under name of Marxism, Communism, and Socialism. Guys like Hitler, Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, you know those rational thinkers.
One other thought. There had to first be a Theist in order for there to be an Atheist.
You're an atheist too, though you'll argue otherwise. If we were both given list of all the deities ever worshipped on earth and we both were to put a check beside all the gods we didn't believe in, our lists would only differ by one. Chew on that for a while.
Missileman
11-09-2009, 07:18 PM
he was not religious, name me all the types and sects of Atheists groups and I will research the killers for you. Im sure there are athiests who are in the groups of scientists who created agent orange, stem cell research, abortion tools, also ethnic cleansing, genocide, racial wars, those who create viruses for war, plagues etc who may also be a member of an atheist church or sect. If you could list the types of atheiests that would be great, as there are so many churches, im sure atheists have many divisions too.
Dahmer didn't kill in the name of atheism.
he was not religious, name me all the types and sects of Atheists groups and I will research the killers for you. Im sure there are athiests who are in the groups of scientists who created agent orange, stem cell research, abortion tools, also ethnic cleansing, genocide, racial wars, those who create viruses for war, plagues etc who may also be a member of an atheist church or sect. If you could list the types of atheiests that would be great, as there are so many churches, im sure atheists have many divisions too.
Nay, you miss my point,
Okay the guy you listed was not religious, but did he kill because he was not religious, or was it for some other reason? (for example greed, lust, depression ect)
What i am looking for are examples were Athiests have murdered in the name of their non-faith, because so many people through-out history (and even to this day) have murdered in the name of one god or another.
Trigg
11-09-2009, 07:21 PM
Just sittin here, as you do, reading through the Muslim shooter attack, and all the talk of Jihad ect, got me thinking, Atheists are considered Evil by those who follow whatever God, given that and Atheist does not follow their god, but are there any examples of Atheists killing for their beliefs?
Cus i can think of plenty of Religious folks who have, given that they believe that the ends always justify the means, but i can not think of an Atheist example, anyone?
Personally I have never considered Atheists evil. I have a problem with atheists pushing their beliefs ( or lack of ) on other people. But then, I have a problem with anyone pushing their beliefs on other people.
You have come on his sight saying people shouldn't send their children to Christian/Muslim/etc. schools because it's brainwashing.
IMO live and let live.
You're an atheist too, though you'll argue otherwise. If we were both given list of all the deities ever worshipped on earth and we both were to put a check beside all the gods we didn't believe in, our lists would only differ by one. Chew on that for a while.
Very true, i once heard it put that "we are all athiests, some of us just go one god further" I know it was Richard Dawkins who said it, though i know not if it was first said by him or if he was quoting,
Personally I have never considered Atheists evil. I have a problem with atheists pushing their beliefs ( or lack of ) on other people. But then, I have a problem with anyone pushing their beliefs on other people.
You have come on his sight saying people shouldn't send their children to Christian/Muslim/etc. schools because it's brainwashing.
IMO live and let live.
Live and let live?...so i guess if i am to be murdered in cold blood by a Muslim who was brainwashed from birth to believe in a higher power, then i should not be able to live at all.
Trigg
11-09-2009, 07:26 PM
Live and let live?...so i guess if i am to be murdered in cold blood by a Muslim who was brainwashed from birth to believe in a higher power, then i should not be able to live at all.
WTF are you talking about???
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Noir
I am indeedy, born and raised in Northern Ireland, currently living in England for Uni.
I don't get what the 'once great people' has to do with anything.I am of Scot-Irish descent and very proud of my great heritage.
If you loose touch with from where and what you came, you will loose touch with who you now are, what is your legacy and where you are heading.
Your ancestors blazed a trail for you...Their accomplishments are your reward...Their triumphs are your pride...Their victories are your benefits...Their mistakes are your lessons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voin7TwCyoE&feature=player_embedded
Ill sing you a song of a row in the town,
When the green flag went up and the crown rag came down,
Twas the neatest and sweetest thing ever you saw,
And they played that great game they call Erin go Bragh.
God bless gallant Pearse and his comrades who died,
Tom Clarke, MacDonagh, MacDermott, McBride,
And heres to James Connolly he gave one hurrah,
And faced the machine guns for Erin go Bragh.
Now one of our leaders was down at Ringsend,
For the honour of Ireland to uphold and defend,
They had no veteran soldiers but volunteers raw,
Making sweet Mauser music for Erin go Bragh.
Bold Kent and his comrades like lions at bay,
From the South Dublin Union poured death and dismay,
And what was their wrath when the invaders them saw,
All the dead kakhi soldiers a Erin go Bragh.
A brave foreign captain was raving that day,
Saying " give me one hour and they'll blow you away",
But a big Mauser bullet got stuck in his jaw,
And he died of lead poison ó Erin go Bragh.
Ah glory to Dublin to her do renown,
In the long generations her name will go down,
And the children will tell how their forefathers saw,
The red blaze of freedom ó Erin go Bragh.
chloe
11-09-2009, 07:30 PM
Nay, you miss my point,
Okay the guy you listed was not religious, but did he kill because he was not religious, or was it for some other reason? (for example greed, lust, depression ect)
What i am looking for are examples were Athiests have murdered in the name of their non-faith, because so many people through-out history (and even to this day) have murdered in the name of one god or another.
well if you want examples of atheiests in there non faith, why can't you list organized groups/ sects of atheists, otherwise anyone who doesnt believe in religion and murders then is an atheiest murdering right? Im just asking fro the group names of them.
WTF are you talking about???
You are saying that i should not have a problem with faith schools, that i should just 'live and let live'
However, I see faith schools as brainwashing organisations, and that children should not have religion forced upon them,
Added to that the fact that history and current events show that people will kill in the name of their religion (and no one is yet to give an example of someone murdering in the name of religion)
Ergo am i just to accept that if i am murdered by someone in the name of religion, a religion that they have been labeled with, and brainwashed with all their life?
I am of Scot-Irish descent and very proud of my great heritage.
If you loose touch with from where and what you came, you will loose touch with who you now are, what is your legacy and where you are heading.
Okay, don't really see what that has to do with the topic but fair play,
Also i will not listen to any trash titled 'Erin go Bragh' i can only assume that your posting it has come from an ignorence of what it means, stands for, and has been used for in my country.
well if you want examples of atheiests in there non faith, why can't you list organized groups/ sects of atheists, otherwise anyone who doesnt believe in religion and murders then is an atheiest murdering right? Im just asking fro the group names of them.
As far as i know there are no group names, like I'm an athiest and don't consider myself part of any group, i think the whole idea is that everyone who is athiest is in the same massive group, as there is nothing to split them.
Again i think you are missing what i am saying, i'll put it a different way;
If a Christain finds that his wife is cheating, and in a fit of rage he murders her, then he is a Christain who has murdered, but it was not his faith that caused him murder. So he did not murder in the name of his faith.
However, if a Chirstain finds his wife is cheating, looks about the bible, and finds some verses that justify him killing his wife, which he then does, then he is murdering in the name of his religion, and believes that he is just in doing so.
I'm sure you can find many many Athiests who were murderers, but do you know of any murderers who did so because they were athiest?
Trigg
11-09-2009, 07:46 PM
You are saying that i should not have a problem with faith schools, that i should just 'live and let live'
However, I see faith schools as brainwashing organisations, and that children should not have religion forced upon them,
Added to that the fact that history and current events show that people will kill in the name of their religion (and no one is yet to give an example of someone murdering in the name of religion)
Ergo am i just to accept that if i am murdered by someone in the name of religion, a religion that they have been labeled with, and brainwashed with all their life?
I said your trying to push your beliefs on people, just like you say faith based people/schools try to do.
People do things based on religion, yes, and they also kill based on JUST PLAIN HATRED. If you're killed by some one for any reason, yea, I'd say you have no option than to accept it considering your DEAD.
me thinks you have a little to much tension in your life
Trigg
11-09-2009, 07:54 PM
As far as i know there are no group names, like I'm an atheist and don't consider myself part of any group, i think the whole idea is that everyone who is atheist is in the same massive group, as there is nothing to split them.
Again i think you are missing what i am saying, I'll put it a different way;
If a Christan finds that his wife is cheating, and in a fit of rage he murders her, then he is a Christan who has murdered, but it was not his faith that caused him murder. So he did not murder in the name of his faith.
However, if a Christan finds his wife is cheating, looks about the bible, and finds some verses that justify him killing his wife, which he then does, then he is murdering in the name of his religion, and believes that he is just in doing so.
I'm sure you can find many many Atheists who were murderers, but do you know of any murderers who did so because they were atheist?
so what's your point?
If a "christian" murders his wife after looking at a bible verse....he's trying to NOT get the death penalty....he's looking for a scape goat.
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 07:55 PM
You are saying that i should not have a problem with faith schools, that i should just 'live and let live'
However, I see faith schools as brainwashing organisations, and that children should not have religion forced upon them,
Added to that the fact that history and current events show that people will kill in the name of their religion (and no one is yet to give an example of someone murdering in the name of religion)
Ergo am i just to accept that if i am murdered by someone in the name of religion, a religion that they have been labeled with, and brainwashed with all their life?The number one institutions of brain washing are the American and European universities.
The only ideology promoted and permitted is that of the extreme left.
Decenting views are for the most part not tolerated and shouted down.
Church sanctioned killings by Christians have not been an issue for a very long time.
We are no longer living in the dark ages Noir...Modern Christianity has evolved.
You are using isolated crimes commited by mentally ill people as examples of atrosities by the Christian faith.
That rediculous argument of the liberal extremists no longer flies...You need some new material.
You tell your marxist professor or whoever it is you get this bullshit from, that Hog said so.
I said your trying to push your beliefs on people, just like you say faith based people/schools try to do.
People do things based on religion, yes, and they also kill based on JUST PLAIN HATRED. If you're killed by some one for any reason, yea, I'd say you have no option than to accept it considering your DEAD.
me thinks you have a little to much tension in your life
Indeedy, but the 'faith' that i push does not brainwash young'uns, and something they have no choice in.
Exactly, if you are going to make such a comparision then allow me to build upon it, we do not teach hatered in schools, why do we teach religion?
Well i chose not to accept it in life.
and lulz at the tension, i guess you can only take my word for it, but trust me if there's one thing i'm not its tense, i'm prob far too relaxed for my own good.
so what's your point?
If a "christian" murders his wife after looking at a bible verse....he's trying to NOT get the death penalty....he's looking for a scape goat.
My point is that people (and goverments) find and have found moral reasoning behind some horrid acts based on religion.
The number one institutions of brain washing are the American and European universities.
Really? I'd have to be 100% against such a statement, i can't speak for america or other european countries but its most certainly not here.
The only ideology promoted and permitted is that of the extreme left.
Again i can speak only of personal experience, but i have felt much more free to be much more right-wing in my essays at Uni, and they have been well recieved.
Decenting views are for the most part not tolerated and shouted down.
See above point.
Church sanctioned killings by Christians have not been an issue for a very long time.
I'm not saying they have, but i am saying that religion has been and is being used to justify vile acts,
We are no longer living in the dark ages Noir...Modern Christianity has evolved.
Were did i say you were in the dark ages?
You are using isolated crimes commited by mentally ill people as examples of atrosities by the Christian faith.
No, first off i am not targeting the Christain faith, this covers all faiths, my question in the OP was for someone to name a man/govermeent who has killed in the name of atheism, as so many have done in the name of one religion or another.
That rediculous argument of the liberal extremists no longer flies...You need some new material.
See above poiny
You tell your marxist professor or whoever it is you get this bullshit from, that Hog said so.
Most of my readings of late have been of Richard Dawkins, may i suggest you read up on some of his works? and i know not of his political beliefs.
Trigg
11-09-2009, 08:09 PM
Indeedy, but the 'faith' that i push does not brainwash young'uns, and something they have no choice in.
Exactly, if you are going to make such a comparision then allow me to build upon it, we do not teach hatred in schools, why do we teach religion?
Well i chose not to accept it in life.
and lulz at the tension, i guess you can only take my word for it, but trust me if there's one thing i'm not its tense, i'm prob far too relaxed for my own good.
In your opinion, you aren't brainwashing, to others who are religious, you are pushing Atheism and that is brainwashing also. Don't you see???
My point is that people (and governments) find and have found moral reasoning behind some horrid acts based on religion.
I don't know how else to say this....I'll try again....I agree. People try everyday to excuse away their atrocious acts. They're usually trying to save their ass in a court of law.
People will use anything to find a moral excuse for their actions, they don't always use religion, in fact most times they don't. They use jealousy, money, hatred, poor parenting, lousy childhood, lack of resources, lack of opportunity, any number of things instead of just looking in the mirror and blaming themselves.
In your opinion, you aren't brainwashing, to others who are religious, you are pushing Atheism and that is brainwashing also. Don't you see???
I'm brainwashing because i'm not telling children that if they don't act a certain way then they will go to hell, or that if they leave their religion they can murdered, ect ect?
I don't know how else to say this....I'll try again....I agree. People try everyday to excuse away their atrocious acts. They're usually trying to save their ass in a court of law.
Indeed some make excuses, others believe what they are doing is truly just and right.
People will use anything to find a moral excuse for their actions, they don't always use religion, in fact most times they don't. They use jealousy, money, hatred, poor parenting, lousy childhood, lack of resources, lack of opportunity, any number of things instead of just looking in the mirror and blaming themselves.
True indeed, but as i've already said, some truly beleive what they are doing is justified by their god,
3 pages and still no one has found an athiest who has murdered for his beliefs, nevermind anything else.
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Really? I'd have to be 100% against such a statement, i can't speak for america or other european countries but its most certainly not here.Most rediculous thing I have heard in a very long time.
Again i can speak only of personal experience, but i have felt much more free to be much more right-wing in my essays at Uni, and they have been well recieved.This explains your rediculous statement above...You claim to have written "right-wing essays"?...I would have to read one to believe it.
Your essays were accepted because they were not actually right-wing or you added content that neutralized anything right-wing you may have said.
I'm certain that you imagine they are "right-wing", but you are so far out in left field you probably believe Che Guevara was a conservative.
Most rediculous thing I have heard in a very long time.
This explains your rediculous statement above...You claim to have written "right-wing essays"?...I would have to read one to believe it.
Your essays were accepted because they were not actually right-wing or you added content that neutralized anything right-wing you may have said.
I'm certain that you imagine they are "right-wing", but you are so far out in left field you probably believe Che Guevara was a conservative.
Yet again you are making assumtions about me, i know not were you get it all from,
The essays are hand-written but if you really want i can type one up for you,
I have written essays on Market Globalization, the European Federal state, the ECHR and on the need for small goverment in the UK,
Now i'm not saying i'm out and out right-wing, ofcourse i'm not, however, i will not have you making assumptions and sweeping such a wide brush, and say nothing.
Now can we please get back on topic :)
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 09:28 PM
3 pages and still no one has found an athiest who has murdered for his beliefs, nevermind anything else.Joseph Stalin, a communist and devout atheist, murdered an estimated 20 million men, women and children.
Mao Tse Tung, a communist and devout atheist murdered a conservatively estimated 35 million men, women and children.
They were motivated by their atheism because they looked upon religion and it's followers as enemies of their marxist ideology, just like you have been programmed to do Noir.
Because of their atheist beliefs, they feared no moral or religious repercussions because they did not believe in good or evil, God, heaven or hell.
They did not see their victims as human beings, but as enemies of their communist ideology and fodder for their fires.
The death of 55million+ people was the direct result of atheist immorality, unchecked and run amuck.
chesswarsnow
11-09-2009, 09:36 PM
Sorry bout that,
Joseph Stalin, a communist and devout atheist, murdered an estimated 20 million men, women and children.
Mao Tse Tung, a communist and devout atheist murdered a conservatively estimated 35 million men, women and children.
They were motivated by their atheism because they looked upon religion and it's followers as enemies of their marxist ideology, just like you have been programmed to do Noir.
Because of their atheist beliefs, they feared no moral or religious repercussions because they did not believe in good or evil, God, heaven or hell.
They did not see their victims as human beings, but as enemies of their communist ideology and fodder for their fires.
The death of 55million+ people was the direct result of atheist immorality, unchecked and run amuck.
1. Thats why America's becomg the *Shit Hole*, its becoming.
2. Christians being run over by all sorts of cults, and atheists.
3. Lets not forget what Hitler did, he had no belief in God, either.
4. Neither does islam, they are a cult, that believes in the moon.
5. Thats why they are taught by their cult book to kill.
6. I know I'm preaching to the choir.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
Joseph Stalin, a communist and devout atheist, murdered an estimated 20 million men, women and children.
Mao Tse Tung, a communist and devout atheist murdered a conservatively estimated 35 million men, women and children.
They were motivated by their atheism because they looked upon religion and it's followers as enemies of their marxist ideology, just like you have been programmed to do Noir.
Because of their atheist beliefs, they feared no moral or religious repercussions because they did not believe in good or evil, God, heaven or hell.
They did not see their victims as human beings, but as enemies of their communist ideology and fodder for their fires.
The death of 55million+ people was the direct result of atheist immorality, unchecked and run amuck.
Kochepa!
Fail answer is fail,
Hitler, Stalin, Mao are always brought up in these discussions, the bellow article explains why this is unfair to athiests,
How many people in Communist Russia and China have been killed because of atheism and secularism?
Response:
None, probably.
How can that be? After all, millions and millions of people died in Russia and China under communist governments — and those governments were both secular and atheistic, right? So weren't all of those people killed because of atheism — indeed, in the name of atheism and secularism?
No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.
People were killed in communist nations for a lot of different reasons. Some were communists who disagreed with those in power and were killed because of that. Some were anti-communists opposed the government and were killed for that. Some were simply in the way or inconvenient and were killed for that. These are political disagreements that people were being killed over, not murder in the name of atheism.
But weren't a lot of people killed because they were Christian? Certainly — but not simply because they were Christian. Communists typically regarded religious organizations as a hinderance towards the creation of a worker's paradise. Some religious groups also opposed the communists. Once again, we are generally looking at political issues, not a question of atheism.
http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheismdangerous/a/AtheismKilled.htm
chloe
11-09-2009, 09:56 PM
As far as i know there are no group names, like I'm an athiest and don't consider myself part of any group, i think the whole idea is that everyone who is athiest is in the same massive group, as there is nothing to split them.
Again i think you are missing what i am saying, i'll put it a different way;
If a Christain finds that his wife is cheating, and in a fit of rage he murders her, then he is a Christain who has murdered, but it was not his faith that caused him murder. So he did not murder in the name of his faith.
However, if a Chirstain finds his wife is cheating, looks about the bible, and finds some verses that justify him killing his wife, which he then does, then he is murdering in the name of his religion, and believes that he is just in doing so.
I'm sure you can find many many Athiests who were murderers, but do you know of any murderers who did so because they were athiest?
Ok, I think I get your point, but if not you can clarify more. I am not well-schooled in atheism or philosophy, I was married at 16 and dropped out of high school, so my answers will have to be my opinion based on what I understand atheism to be ok>? You can educate me if my understanding seems off base. My understanding of atheism is someone who believes in no God/Gods, no organized Religion or unorganized religion, I think atheists think we evolved like the way darwin says and they believe in evidence with there human senses and in science. So based on my perception of that definition. I then percieve any scientist who believes in atheism no religion or God that is willing to design a virus with the intent of say the government using it as a military weapon knowing it will kill a massive population, well I consider that mass murder in the name of atheism. I view it as an atheist would rationalize survival of the fittest and also experimenting on human suffering human survival, to promote the non godly belief that humans cannot be saved by God because clearly they weren't in hiroshima. Now if you are asking me is there a group of atheists that meet each week sing songs in a building and read repetative sayings from a famous book written by an atheist leader where they memorize lines and then go out and preach those lines trying to convince others to be an atheist I would say No, I havent heard of a group that does that. But I haven't seen that in other non religious groups either except maybe PETA , the astrology club doesnt got out preach or kill, neither does the era womens group, or the gay fathers group, neither do the quakers, or unitarians. Just because some religions do or have in done so in their history does not mean all religions do, and just because most atheiests are peaceful philosophers does not mean some wouldnt use atheism as a rationale to hurt the human race.
HogTrash
11-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Kochepa!
Fail answer is fail,
Hitler, Stalin, Mao are always brought up in these discussions, the bellow article explains why this is unfair to athiests,
http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheismdangerous/a/AtheismKilled.htmAs atheist, these communist looked upon religion as a threat to their plans.
Religion was in direct opposition to what the marxist atheists promoted.
Religious people were killed because of their religion by atheist because they were atheist.
These are historical facts that are not debatable...To suggest otherwise is utterly rediculous.
I'm sorry the facts don't confirm your story but the facts are the facts.
Just because you have been convinced that 2+2=5, doesn't mean you can sell your math to the rest of us.
There are those who prefer the real world and still see things as they actually are.....Join us.
PostmodernProphet
11-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Utter tosh, using names like Stalin, Stalin did not kill in the name of athism, to claim otherwise is daft, he did what he did because he was an evil person, the very fact that he was an athiest had nothing to do with his actions,
The same can not be said for religious mass-murderers,
So my question still stands, any athiests who murdered for their beliefs as many religious folk have?
????...do you think that the Muslim terrorists who caused 9/11 were really doing it because of Islam or was it because of their political aspirations.....no different than Stalin or Pol Pot....
bullypulpit
11-10-2009, 11:44 AM
Athiests are just the engineers of mass murder. They go under name of Marxism, Communism, and Socialism. Guys like Hitler, Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, you know those rational thinkers.
One other thought. There had to first be a Theist in order for there to be an Atheist.
That's some stinky BS on your part crin. All Marx and Engles did was replace the god-head with the state, and the rest is history. It's religion any way you slice it, and just as prone to irrationality as any other religion. It's what happens when you deal in absolutes.
bullypulpit
11-10-2009, 11:47 AM
????...do you think that the Muslim terrorists who caused 9/11 were really doing it because of Islam or was it because of their political aspirations.....no different than Stalin or Pol Pot....
Religious power and political power are just opposite sides of the same coin. And when religion and politics ride together in the same cart they never see the edge of the cliff until they've already gone over it.
????...do you think that the Muslim terrorists who caused 9/11 were really doing it because of Islam or was it because of their political aspirations.....no different than Stalin or Pol Pot....
I believe the reasons were religious and not political, though they obviously had political consequences, and it is clear through-out hsitory that many atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion, that you would surly not deny.
Missileman
11-10-2009, 07:48 PM
As atheist, these communist looked upon religion as a threat to their plans.
Religion was in direct opposition to what the marxist atheists promoted.
Religious people were killed because of their religion by atheist because they were atheist.
These are historical facts that are not debatable...To suggest otherwise is utterly rediculous.
I'm sorry the facts don't confirm your story but the facts are the facts.
Just because you have been convinced that 2+2=5, doesn't mean you can sell your math to the rest of us.
There are those who prefer the real world and still see things as they actually are.....Join us.
Sorry Hog...but the religious people were killed because of the political goals of the communists, NOT their religious goals. The communists had no religious goals. Other atheists who opposed communism would be as large a threat. Politics and religion are two totally separate entities except in theocracies.
Kathianne
11-10-2009, 08:00 PM
I'm just a basic Catholic girl. We're not into 'evangelizing' and we're not into saying we are the last best hope.
It creeps me to no end, the atheists and the evangelicals trying to make all in their image. Last I saw, that was the creator's position or the big bang or whatever...
Sorry Hog...but the religious people were killed because of the political goals of the communists, NOT their religious goals. The communists had no religious goals. Other atheists who opposed communism would be as large a threat. Politics and religion are two totally separate entities except in theocracies.
Couldn't of put it better myself. :)
Agnapostate
11-24-2009, 05:06 PM
Muslims on the other hand are the cruelist most savage religion practiced today...They are murderous and coldblooded and oppressive and cruel to their women.
Practitioners of the three monotheisms have traditionally established repressive domestic conditions, with the most regressive of any particular time period being described as the "fundamentalists." That's the reason for the similarities between Christian fundamentalists in the U.S. and the more traditional Muslim governments in the Middle East. If the population of the Deep South was dropped into Saudi Arabia, the only reason they'd realize that anything was amiss is that cousin marriage would be slightly less prevalent there. :)
PostmodernProphet
11-24-2009, 11:54 PM
Sorry Hog...but the religious people were killed because of the political goals of the communists, NOT their religious goals. The communists had no religious goals. Other atheists who opposed communism would be as large a threat. Politics and religion are two totally separate entities except in theocracies.
lol....what difference does it make if it was political or religious?.....they killed for their beliefs.....the title of this thread is "are atheists evil"....not "are people only evil if they kill for particular reasons"......
Agnapostate
11-25-2009, 12:51 AM
Certainly. And the implication was that there was some connection between their immorality and their atheist beliefs. Unless you'd prefer to link Hitler and Stalin's campaigns to their mustaches rather than their authoritarianism.
bullypulpit
11-29-2009, 05:43 AM
Jeffrey Dahmer
Dahmer was born into a family of devout members of the Stone-Campbell denomination known as the "church of Christ" or "Churches of Christ." He was an active churchgoer until the age of 5. After that, Dahmer was never again actively religious or a regular churchgoer......
http://www.adherents.com/people/pd/Jeffrey_Dahmer.html
Talk about really bad analogies. Dahmer had a whole constellation of psychiatric disorders which led him down the path he followed. Religious faith, or lack thereof, had nothing to do with it...except to potentially add fuel to the fire that consumed him.
bullypulpit
11-29-2009, 05:45 AM
Sorry Hog...but the religious people were killed because of the political goals of the communists, NOT their religious goals. The communists had no religious goals. Other atheists who opposed communism would be as large a threat. Politics and religion are two totally separate entities except in theocracies.
On this point I must disagree. The Communists replaced the god-head with the state. In stamping out or restricting religions and religious expression the Communists had but one goal...elimination of competition.
Agnapostate
11-29-2009, 05:51 AM
Organized rejection of organized religion.
bullypulpit
11-29-2009, 05:57 AM
Certainly. And the implication was that there was some connection between their immorality and their atheist beliefs. Unless you'd prefer to link Hitler and Stalin's campaigns to their mustaches rather than their authoritarianism.
Given the level of debate put forth by some of the so called "Christians" here, that would likely be considered a valid argument.
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