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chloe
11-27-2009, 08:32 PM
NEW YORK (AP) - Members of one of America's oldest Protestant churches officially apologized Friday _ for the first time _ for massacring and displacing Native Americans 400 years ago.

"We consumed your resources, dehumanized your people and disregarded your culture, along with your dreams, hopes and great love for this land," the Rev. Robert Chase told descendants from both sides. "With pain, we the Collegiate Church, remember our part in these events."

The rite was held in front of the Museum of the American Indian in lower Manhattan, where Dutch colonizers had built their fort near an Indian trail now called Broadway, just steps away from Wall Street.

The Collegiate Church was considered the "conscience" of the new colony, whose merchants quickly developed commerce with the world in fur and grains _ till then the turf of the natives.

Surrounded by Lenape Indians, the Dutch colonists "were hacking men, women and children to death," said Ronald Holloway, the chairman of the Sand Hill band of Lenapes, who lived here before Henry Hudson landed 400 years ago.

The Indians dispersed across the country, eventually ending up on government-formed reservations. On Friday, some came from as far away as Oklahoma.

During the ceremony, Chase embraced Holloway and, as symbolic gestures of healing, the two sides exchanged wampum _ strings of beads used by North American Indians as money or ornament. A boy representing the Lenapes and a girl from the Collegiate Church put necklaces on each other.

While Friday's ceremony exuded warmth and openness, accompanied by an Indian drumming circle and the haunting sound of a wooden flute, the feelings leading up to the reconciliation were mixed.

"After 400 years, when someone says 'I'm sorry,' you say, 'Really?' " Holloway said before the ritual. "There was some kind of uneasiness. But then you've got to accept someone's sincere apology; they said, 'We did it.' We ran you off, we killed you.' "

The church plans to sponsor educational activities and exhibits to teach children history _ including the Indian reverence for preserving the purity of the land taken over by the Dutch colonists

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=8819559

Jeff
11-27-2009, 11:16 PM
NEW YORK (AP) - Members of one of America's oldest Protestant churches officially apologized Friday _ for the first time _ for massacring and displacing Native Americans 400 years ago.

"We consumed your resources, dehumanized your people and disregarded your culture, along with your dreams, hopes and great love for this land," the Rev. Robert Chase told descendants from both sides. "With pain, we the Collegiate Church, remember our part in these events."

The rite was held in front of the Museum of the American Indian in lower Manhattan, where Dutch colonizers had built their fort near an Indian trail now called Broadway, just steps away from Wall Street.

The Collegiate Church was considered the "conscience" of the new colony, whose merchants quickly developed commerce with the world in fur and grains _ till then the turf of the natives.

Surrounded by Lenape Indians, the Dutch colonists "were hacking men, women and children to death," said Ronald Holloway, the chairman of the Sand Hill band of Lenapes, who lived here before Henry Hudson landed 400 years ago.

The Indians dispersed across the country, eventually ending up on government-formed reservations. On Friday, some came from as far away as Oklahoma.

During the ceremony, Chase embraced Holloway and, as symbolic gestures of healing, the two sides exchanged wampum _ strings of beads used by North American Indians as money or ornament. A boy representing the Lenapes and a girl from the Collegiate Church put necklaces on each other.

While Friday's ceremony exuded warmth and openness, accompanied by an Indian drumming circle and the haunting sound of a wooden flute, the feelings leading up to the reconciliation were mixed.

"After 400 years, when someone says 'I'm sorry,' you say, 'Really?' " Holloway said before the ritual. "There was some kind of uneasiness. But then you've got to accept someone's sincere apology; they said, 'We did it.' We ran you off, we killed you.' "

The church plans to sponsor educational activities and exhibits to teach children history _ including the Indian reverence for preserving the purity of the land taken over by the Dutch colonists

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=8819559

Why would we need to reconcile for something that happened 400 years ago ? It doesn't make sense to me, yes they were treated horribly but not by me or anyone doing the apologizing

Kind of like apologizing to the blacks for slavery , how many people today either owned slaves or were slaves ?

IMHO it is time to move on and get over the past

chloe
11-27-2009, 11:34 PM
Perhaps sorry for what happened in the past and wanting to heal whatever resentments have passed through each generation. Didn't one of the Popes apologize for some kind of church related massacre or something a few years back?

Jeff
11-27-2009, 11:47 PM
I believe he did Chloe, and your right I do feel bad for what happened to some years ago , but I didn't do it, so I don't feel no need to apologize to get along with anyone

chloe
11-27-2009, 11:53 PM
I think religious leaders deal more in spiritual signfigance of events so that is probably why they feel the need to openly recognize events and issue a formal apology, even they we didnt do it personally.

Gaffer
11-28-2009, 12:51 PM
I will apologize for whatever I do that wrongs someone else. I will not apologize for something someone else has done.

crin63
11-28-2009, 12:54 PM
People just need to get over their victim mentality and move on, but then I guess that way they never have to blame themselves for their failures.

It all just seems like victims for dollars to me.

chesswarsnow
11-28-2009, 02:52 PM
Sorry bout that,


1. If this church feels compelled to say its sorry then let them.
2. I'm sure the Indians could say they are sorry as well.
3. But will they?
4. We will see.
5. The American Indians are a Country within a Country, and this is a high honor, they also get funding that supports them.
6. I think we say we are sorry everyday, with the support in all the things we do for the American Indians.
7. Its far better to be an American Indian, than a Mexican Indian.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

chloe
11-28-2009, 04:18 PM
Women didn't get to vote, own property or work outside of home, but I guess they didn't get massacred. Every group of people most likely has experienced an unfairness in the past. I think Indians did a lot of scalping during war, not just to white invaders but also to rival tribes.