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Gadget (fmr Marine)
04-21-2007, 01:53 PM
Much has been made, and I am certain much more will be made of the fact that the US' involvement in Iraq has exceeded the duration of our involvement in WWII.

There will be some comparisons that are not made, though, because it will not fit in to the agenda of the media who is presenting their view, and that of Harry Reid.....

US casualties in WWII were 407,000 military deaths (by comparison 3315 US soldiers have perished in Iraq to date...may they all rest in peace)

Combatants were dressed in military uniforms and easily idnetified as "the enemy," unlike the insurgents from many Muslim thugs who are seeking their selfish marytrdom, at the expense of thousands of innocent civilians of all religions.

gabosaurus
04-21-2007, 10:59 PM
The difference is, WWII was a real war, provoked when we were attacked by a real enemy.

As opposed to personal war of aggression and retribution, where a single American leader decided he needed to avenge his daddy. At the cost of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars.

manu1959
04-21-2007, 11:04 PM
The difference is, WWII was a real war, provoked when we were attacked by a real enemy.

As opposed to personal war of aggression and retribution, where a single American leader decided he needed to avenge his daddy. At the cost of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars.

you need to read the consiracy websites....we tricked the japs into bombing us....and ended up loosing 500,000 men and trillions of dollars.....out of that we got a jap and german economy that kiscks our ass...

gabosaurus
04-21-2007, 11:10 PM
I've read that too. More plausible is the theory that we had broken the Japanese code and knew that the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming. Which is why the Navy moved its largest vessels out of port.

manu1959
04-21-2007, 11:13 PM
I've read that too. More plausible is the theory that we had broken the Japanese code and knew that the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming. Which is why the Navy moved its largest vessels out of port.

why wasn't the arizona moved?

Gadget (fmr Marine)
04-22-2007, 12:01 PM
The difference is, WWII was a real war, provoked when we were attacked by a real enemy.

As opposed to personal war of aggression and retribution, where a single American leader decided he needed to avenge his daddy. At the cost of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars.

Do you pine for the "old days," when a war was about killing millions and losing millions of men in combat?

How do you define a REAL war? I would love for you to explain this to the boys and girls who have lost parts of their bodies fighting in this "pretend" war, or whatever you would call it.

Your synopsis is very meager in its utilization of reality, and I am afraid you use a few too many of the old passé cliches, as well, that are fallacies that elementary anti-war ideologues try to pass as fact associated with the POTUS.

gabosaurus
04-22-2007, 12:53 PM
I define a "real" war as one that is fought for a just and necessary cause. During WWII, you had Hitler and the Japanese warlords making territorial acquisitions in order to fulfill their desire for world domination. Their Axis threatened world freedom.
Now, you have Bush making the territorial acquisitions. Iraq is a war started by the Bush administration, without provocation. There is no defined "enemy" and no real threat to world freedom.

LuvRPgrl
04-22-2007, 02:35 PM
The difference is, WWII was a real war, provoked when we were attacked by a real enemy.

As opposed to personal war of aggression and retribution, where a single American leader decided he needed to avenge his daddy. At the cost of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars.

Its amazing how utterly brain dead and delusionally bitter some liberals can be.
WHy dont you go take your anger out on something worthwhile, like kids starving in Africa because of muslim terrorists.
Your proof that he did it to avenge his daddy? Yea, thought so, you have none.
Uh, dead brain idiot, more countries were in this coalition than the first one. How can he have carried out this war by himself when the dems voted for it in congress. Hillary, your presedential contender front runner supported it. CLintons adminstration made it official policy to oust saddam
But you have had these facts presented to you many many times and you choose to ignore it. Thats the proof you are delusional and angry. However, by being so, you simply loose all credibility and make it easy to digest you like a white shark devouring its prey when it comes down to a real debate using facts and truth.

BYE BYE retard. Try getting a new line of lies.

Gadget (fmr Marine)
04-22-2007, 07:07 PM
I define a "real" war as one that is fought for a just and necessary cause. During WWII, you had Hitler and the Japanese warlords making territorial acquisitions in order to fulfill their desire for world domination. Their Axis threatened world freedom.
Now, you have Bush making the territorial acquisitions. Iraq is a war started by the Bush administration, without provocation. There is no defined "enemy" and no real threat to world freedom.

The western world has been under attack from radical Islamic medieval thugs for a long time (you only chose to listen to just enough infomration to get you excited, and appease your own self interest, and not delve in to the places in your psyche that may actually cause you to think a bit more deeply. Would you like to explain to me that the actions we are not undertaking now, are not justified, due to the ongoing, continuous attacks from those who wish to destroy the western world (you included) because of the fact that we embrace freedoms that their warped sense of reality cannot accept?

Here is a short list of attacks by radical islamists......

1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.

1982–1991
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.

1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.

1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1995
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2003
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.

2004
May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy was foiled.

2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy was fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

gabosaurus
04-22-2007, 10:27 PM
Its amazing how utterly brain dead and delusionally bitter some liberals can be. ..... BYE BYE retard. Try getting a new line of lies.

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Gaffer
04-23-2007, 03:11 PM
I define a "real" war as one that is fought for a just and necessary cause. During WWII, you had Hitler and the Japanese warlords making territorial acquisitions in order to fulfill their desire for world domination. Their Axis threatened world freedom.
Now, you have Bush making the territorial acquisitions. Iraq is a war started by the Bush administration, without provocation. There is no defined "enemy" and no real threat to world freedom.

Hmmm we have today islamists attacking all over the world (see Gadgets post) We had saddam overrunning kuwait and threatening saudi arabia and other countries. We now have iran trying to get imfluence in iraq and take it over as a puppet state. We have syria trying to take over lebbanon. We have north korea trying to extort money from every country in the world. We have hugo chavez trying to export communism throughout south america. afganhistan harbored bin laden and the taliban are trying to come back. But none of that counts as a just cause for war? All those countries are attempting to make territorial aquisitions.

The enemy is clearly defined. It's islam. islam seeks global domination. But for you there is only one enemy, George Bush.