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Agnapostate
01-28-2010, 11:54 AM
I can't say I'm particularly surprised to see this go unmentioned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/28/howard-zinn-dies


American historian, playwright and social activist Howard Zinn died yesterday, aged 87.

The author of the million-plus bestseller A People's History of the United States, which gave a leftist view of American history, died of a heart attack in Santa Monica, California, his daughter Myla Kabat-Zinn told the Associated Press today.

Zinn wrote more than 20 books and his plays have been produced around the world, but it is for A People's History, first published in 1980 with a print run of just 5,000 copies, which the historian is best known. Told from the perspective of America's women, Native Americans and workers, the book provides a revisionist view of American history from the arrival of Christopher Columbus – who Zinn charges with genocide – to president Bill Clinton's first term.

"My point is not that we must, in telling history, accuse, judge, condemn Columbus in absentia. It is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality," wrote the author in the bestselling book. "But the easy acceptance of atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress (Hiroshima and Vietnam, to save western civilization; Kronstadt and Hungary, to save socialism; nuclear proliferation, to save us all) – that is still with us. One reason these atrocities are still with us is that we have learned to bury them in a mass of other facts, as radioactive wastes are buried in containers in the earth."

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What's ironic is that unlike his many idiotic detractors, Howard Zinn actually had military service under his belt in WWII and actually was the son of working-class Jewish immigrants, unlike those who claim to speak for them. And the anarchism of an 87 year old man derived from its nineteenth century roots does tend to defy stereotypes.

glockmail
01-28-2010, 12:46 PM
There's a special place in hell for that bastard revisionist.

HogTrash
01-28-2010, 12:50 PM
Howard Zinn asked all the right questions but always managed to come up with all the wrong answers.

This is because he looked at the world through the ideological eyes of Karl Marx and judged it accordingly.

Howard Zinn hated America and worked to spread that hate...The world is a much better place without him.

His only contribution to the human race was as an example of the evil that all thinking people should avoid.

chloe
01-28-2010, 03:54 PM
my BFF Poncho said its no skin off his ass, but I send out my condolences may he rest in peace with God.:salute:

Agnapostate
01-28-2010, 09:18 PM
LOL...of course you two pathetic idiots don't like that he condemned your jingoistic little fascist mindset. :laugh:

glockmail
01-28-2010, 09:20 PM
LOL...of course you two pathetic idiots don't like that he condemned your jingoistic little fascist mindset. :laugh:

Gee, I thought he wrote supposedly wrote a book about factual history. Do you mean to tell me that he was judgmental?

Agnapostate
01-28-2010, 09:27 PM
Gee, I thought he wrote supposedly wrote a book about factual history. Do you mean to tell me that he was judgmental?

Do you mean to tell me that you're stupid enough to believe that he only wrote one book and never expressed any opinions or sentiments separate from that? Are you really stupid enough, moreover, to actually think that the expression of opinions does not necessarily entail factually inaccurate statements?

glockmail
01-28-2010, 09:34 PM
Do you mean to tell me that you're stupid enough to believe that he only wrote one book and never expressed any opinions or sentiments separate from that? Are you really stupid enough, moreover, to actually think that the expression of opinions does not necessarily entail factually inaccurate statements? Are you really stupid enough to think that I was referring to anything other than the "history" book he wrote that pollutes so many American classrooms? Are you really stupid enough, moreover, to think that this collection of unsubstantiated opinions and unreferenced facts should be called "history"? :slap:

Agnapostate
01-28-2010, 09:38 PM
Are you really stupid enough to think that I was referring to anything other than the "history" book he wrote that pollutes so many American classrooms? Are you really stupid enough, moreover, to think that this collection of unsubstantiated opinions and unreferenced facts should be called "history"? :slap:

I didn't expect deviation from your usual idiocy, and my expectations proved to be accurate. Provide examples of facts listed in A People's History that cannot be corroborated by primary sources, moron. :poke:

glockmail
01-28-2010, 09:45 PM
I didn't expect deviation from your usual idiocy, and my expectations proved to be accurate. Provide examples of facts listed in A People's History that cannot be corroborated by primary sources, moron. :poke: I don't need to waste my time going upstairs and hauling that stupid book off the top shelf. Nor do I have anything to prove to a fucking idiot like you. I read about 1/2 way through a few years it and found it horribly lacking in footnotes and references.

Agnapostate
01-29-2010, 01:25 AM
I don't need to waste my time going upstairs and hauling that stupid book off the top shelf. Nor do I have anything to prove to a fucking idiot like you. I read about 1/2 way through a few years it and found it horribly lacking in footnotes and references.

Good. I didn't expect you to expand beyond your standard imbecility, you moronic troglodyte. :laugh:

SassyLady
01-29-2010, 03:25 AM
Zinn is/was a typical progressive that focused on class wars and painted everyone but the white man as victims. Perhaps his writings would be more acceptable if he had actually told both sides of history.

Agnapostate
01-29-2010, 03:44 AM
True; nothing like even-sided argument.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KBobNudFL._SL160_AA115_.jpg

glockmail
01-29-2010, 07:51 AM
Good. I didn't expect you to expand beyond your standard imbecility, you moronic troglodyte. :laugh: Nor did I expect of you, and I wasted no time in pegging you as the fucking idiot that you are.

glockmail
01-29-2010, 07:52 AM
Zinn is/was a typical progressive that focused on class wars and painted everyone but the white man as victims. Perhaps his writings would be more acceptable if he had actually told both sides of history. Or history at all instead of unreferenced opinion.

HogTrash
01-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Are you really stupid enough to think that I was referring to anything other than the "history" book he wrote that pollutes so many American classrooms? Are you really stupid enough, moreover, to think that this collection of unsubstantiated opinions and unreferenced facts should be called "history"? :slap:
Zinn is/was a typical progressive that focused on class wars and painted everyone but the white man as victims. Perhaps his writings would be more acceptable if he had actually told both sides of history.Well done! :clap: I have nothing to add here.

You guys have pretty much covered the facts.