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Little-Acorn
02-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Now that socialized medicine has been turned back, the Obama administration will be casting about for a new way to impose socialism on the country. Here's his most frequent visitor's suggestion for how to do it: make the 12 million (plus) illegal aliens who walked across the border, legal by fiat, because most of them will probably vote Democrat.

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Obama adviser: Amnesty to ensure 'progressive' rule
'Imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues?'

Posted: February 02, 2010, 8:03 pm Eastern
by Aaron Klein

Granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants would expand the "progressive" electorate and help ensure a "progressive" governing coalition for the long term, declared a recent adviser to President Obama whose union group is among the most frequent visitors to the White House.

"We reform the immigration laws, it puts 12 million people on the path to citizenship and eventually voters," stated Eliseo Medina, international executive vice-president of Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.

Medina was speaking at a June 2009 Washington conference for the liberal "America's Future Now!".

Medina said that during the presidential election in November 2008, Latinos and immigrants "voted overwhelmingly for progressive candidates. Barack Obama got two out of every three voters that showed up."

"Can you imagine if we have, even the same ratio, two out of three? Can you imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues and will be voting? We will be creating a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle."

The SEIU is closely linked to the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. SEIU President Andrew Stern was the most frequently logged White House visitor, according to an official list released in October.

PostmodernProphet
02-03-2010, 02:30 PM
I believe it has always been a mistake to restrict immigration to the US....I say open up immigration.....employers should be able to bring workers into the country so long as they pay full time wages at a higher level than minimum wage.....health care.....plus a surcharge to the government to cover the expense of maintaining an effective immigration system....

would this country have been a better place if we had kept out the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Polish?.....YOUR grandparents?.....

when did it become "conservative" to restrict immigration.....a hundred years ago it was the liberals who wanted isolation and conservatives who wanted expansion.....why did it change.....

Agnapostate
02-03-2010, 03:04 PM
Klein is the one who is an illegal immigrant, unless kikes are native to America. :)

HogTrash
02-03-2010, 03:24 PM
Now that socialized medicine has been turned back, the Obama administration will be casting about for a new way to impose socialism on the country. Here's his most frequent visitor's suggestion for how to do it: make the 12 million (plus) illegal aliens who walked across the border, legal by fiat, because most of them will probably vote Democrat.

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123955

Obama adviser: Amnesty to ensure 'progressive' rule
'Imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues?'

Posted: February 02, 2010, 8:03 pm Eastern
by Aaron Klein

Granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants would expand the "progressive" electorate and help ensure a "progressive" governing coalition for the long term, declared a recent adviser to President Obama whose union group is among the most frequent visitors to the White House.

"We reform the immigration laws, it puts 12 million people on the path to citizenship and eventually voters," stated Eliseo Medina, international executive vice-president of Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.

Medina was speaking at a June 2009 Washington conference for the liberal "America's Future Now!".

Medina said that during the presidential election in November 2008, Latinos and immigrants "voted overwhelmingly for progressive candidates. Barack Obama got two out of every three voters that showed up."

"Can you imagine if we have, even the same ratio, two out of three? Can you imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues and will be voting? We will be creating a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle."

The SEIU is closely linked to the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. SEIU President Andrew Stern was the most frequently logged White House visitor, according to an official list released in October."2 out of 3" is the number of latinos that for the most part came here legally and have been here many generations.

The illegal aliens who will be granted amnesty will overwelmingly vote democrat as do 90+ percent of all black voters.

We cannot allow amnesty in any form for the illegal aliens...No exceptions for any reason...If you came here illegally you must leave.

If 12 million illegals are granted amnesty, 12 million of them will vote democrat, assuring that America will be a marxist nation in one 8 year presidential term.

In 4 elections in those 8 years they would not only control the presidency but eventually the Congress and Senate and not long after that the Supreme Court.

If we don't abandon political correctness, this is what we will be facing...We cannot allow this to happen...We must let our representaives know we will not tolerate this.

We must stop basing our decisions on political correctness people...WAKE UP!

PostmodernProphet
02-03-2010, 04:53 PM
Klein is the one who is an illegal immigrant, unless kikes are native to America. :)

turkeys and buffalo are native to America.....people aren't.....unless we all are, of course....

PostmodernProphet
02-03-2010, 04:54 PM
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If 12 million illegals are granted amnesty, 12 million of them will vote democrat, assuring that America will be a marxist nation in one 8 year presidential term.


and once they get jobs and start paying taxes, most of them will begin to vote Republican.......it's only a matter of maturity.....


We must stop basing our decisions on political correctness people...WAKE UP!

we need to stop basing our decisions on who someone's going to vote for......it's simply wrong to continue doing things the way we've been doing them for the last twenty years.....

Little-Acorn
02-03-2010, 05:20 PM
and once they get jobs and start paying taxes, most of them will begin to vote Republican...
Lots of liberals have jobs and pay taxes. They vote Democrat, and will tell you that government should run more and more of our private lives.


....it's only a matter of maturity.....

Ummm.... yes.

HogTrash
02-03-2010, 05:28 PM
and once they get jobs and start paying taxes, most of them will begin to vote Republican.......it's only a matter of maturity.....Before that happens the conversion to socialism will be complete and America will be a marxist police state.

Even if this does not happen, what do you think will make latinos differ from the blacks of which 90+ % vote left?


we need to stop basing our decisions on who someone's going to vote for......To ensure a future for our children this is exactly what we must do.


it's simply wrong to continue doing things the way we've been doing them for the last twenty years.....Absolutely not true!...

We have actually been doing the opposite because we have been using political correctness as our standard for policy making for the last 40 years.

Agnapostate
02-03-2010, 06:29 PM
turkeys and buffalo are native to America.....people aren't.....unless we all are, of course....

And people aren't ultimately "native" to anything except Africa, are they? Nothing can illustrate the irony of Rabbi Hook Nose's opinion any more than the fact that he supports what he considers ethnic self-determination for his kind on the basis of their existence there 2,000 years ago, but apparently isn't too concerned about European encroachment upon Amerindian land.

PostmodernProphet
02-03-2010, 07:08 PM
Lots of liberals have jobs and pay taxes. They vote Democrat, and will tell you that government should run more and more of our private lives.


not that large a percentage.....a few newscasters, Hollywood actors, college professors and some New Englanders, I suppose....

PostmodernProphet
02-03-2010, 07:10 PM
And people aren't ultimately "native" to anything except Africa, are they?

glad to see you coming around.....your previous incarnation as an irate "native American" was getting tiresome....

PostmodernProphet
02-03-2010, 07:10 PM
Even if this does not happen, what do you think will make latinos differ from the blacks of which 90+ % vote left?

becoming taxable.....

Agnapostate
02-03-2010, 07:23 PM
glad to see you coming around.....your previous incarnation as an irate "native American" was getting tiresome....

What forms the basis of civilization is not a race to see who gets to which territory first, but the nature of societal development built. The establishment of all states in America entailed a genocide against the indigenous population and unjust dispossession of them through force and fraud. It is thus ethically illegitimate.

glockmail
02-03-2010, 07:43 PM
Klein is the one who is an illegal immigrant, unless kikes are native to America. :) The injuns lost. Get over it.

HogTrash
02-03-2010, 08:12 PM
The injuns lost. Get over it.He's a sore loser, Glock. :mad: :lmao:

glockmail
02-03-2010, 08:23 PM
He's a sore loser, Glock. :mad: :lmao: No shit man my Irish ancestors got there arses kicked around for centuries by the Brits long before the Injuns got theirs kicked and my grandfather got back at all of them by marrying one of their women. :lol:

HogTrash
02-03-2010, 08:45 PM
No shit man my Irish ancestors got there arses kicked around for centuries by the Brits long before the Injuns got theirs kicked and my grandfather got back at all of them by marrying one of their women. :lol:Hey, some of the white girls got a bit of that goin on too with the negroes and mexicoes. :lol:

Oh shit, you don't suppose what they say is true do ya? :confused: Our honky asses could be in trouble. :eek:

glockmail
02-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Hey, some of the white girls got a bit of that goin on too with the negroes and mexicoes. :lol:

Oh shit, you don't suppose what they say is true do ya? :confused: Our honky asses could be in trouble. :eek:

Its OK since they take all the fat chicks. :laugh2:

Agnapostate
02-03-2010, 10:45 PM
The injuns lost. Get over it.

And you're losing now when they're re-invading, mick. Get over it.

PostmodernProphet
02-04-2010, 12:43 AM
What forms the basis of civilization is not a race to see who gets to which territory first, but the nature of societal development built. The establishment of all states in America entailed a genocide against the indigenous population and unjust dispossession of them through force and fraud. It is thus ethically illegitimate.

did the same thing apply when the Sioux drove dozens of other tribes out of the Great Plains?

SassyLady
02-04-2010, 01:31 AM
did the same thing apply when the Sioux drove dozens of other tribes out of the Great Plains?

According to Aggie - it is only inappropriate appropriation of lands if it's anyone other than Amerindians..........one indian driving out another still keeps it in the hands of the original race.

PostmodernProphet
02-04-2010, 08:09 AM
According to Aggie - it is only inappropriate appropriation of lands if it's anyone other than Amerindians..........one indian driving out another still keeps it in the hands of the original race.

the original race was "human"......

HogTrash
02-04-2010, 08:47 AM
Its OK since they take all the fat chicks. :laugh2:I don't know about that, Glock...I've been seeing some hotties with the jungle fever. :boobies::blsmile:

Not to mention all the little white school girls who have been black indoctrinated. :boobies::afro:

I think most the little white school girls throw rocks at the little white school boys these days.

HogTrash
02-04-2010, 09:00 AM
According to Aggie - it is only inappropriate appropriation of lands if it's anyone other than Amerindians..........one indian driving out another still keeps it in the hands of the original race.That's not an unusual sentiment, Princess.

Most of the world now believes it's only bad when the white man does it, regardless of what "it" is.

What's really funny is, many white people have been PC programmed to agree with them.

Everyone can rest assured of one thing.

Hog feels absolutely no white guilt whatsoever and boy does that piss liberals and minorities off. :D

chloe
02-04-2010, 09:09 AM
the original race was "human"......

whatever happened to the human race?

glockmail
02-04-2010, 10:06 AM
And you're losing now when they're re-invading, mick. Get over it. Sorry redman but I can't lose what I never owned in the first place, and I've got many ancestral places to move to if the US goes to shit, not just Ireland but also Scotland, Germany, Austria, Poland, Lithuania and Russia. :lol:

Agnapostate
02-04-2010, 11:38 AM
did the same thing apply when the Sioux drove dozens of other tribes out of the Great Plains?

I think you generally have a very poor grasp of anything I say. I'm the first to agree with the factor of heterogeneity that you mention. I've simply pointed out that Apache attacks on the Navajo or Tarahumara have little modern relevance in terms of existing consequences.


Sorry redman but I can't lose what I never owned in the first place, and I've got many ancestral places to move to if the US goes to shit, not just Ireland but also Scotland, Germany, Austria, Poland, Lithuania and Russia. :lol:

Fine. Run back to the lands of the kilt-fags, krauts, pollacks, and braindead Slavs. We'll all be better off with you there. :laugh:

glockmail
02-04-2010, 12:09 PM
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Fine. Run back to the lands of the kilt-fags, krauts, pollacks, and braindead Slavs. We'll all be better off with you there. :laugh:

Thanks for confirming your racism. :slap:

By the way they're all folks who the Injuns lost to. LOL

PostmodernProphet
02-04-2010, 12:29 PM
I think you generally have a very poor grasp of anything I say. I'm the first to agree with the factor of heterogeneity that you mention. I've simply pointed out that Apache attacks on the Navajo or Tarahumara have little modern relevance in terms of existing consequences.


then obviously the invasion of the Mongols into eastern Europe, the Muslims into northern Africa, or the Europeans into North America don't either......

Agnapostate
02-04-2010, 03:30 PM
Thanks for confirming your racism. :slap:

By the way they're all folks who the Injuns lost to. LOL

Only in your ass-backwards view of history, idiot; Indians lost to viral microbes and each other more often than not. For example, Russians were the only Slavs to make a significant entry into America, and they fled up the coast of California when they encountered indigenous resistance. They were never even able to overcome the Chukchi in their own country.


then obviously the invasion of the Mongols into eastern Europe, the Muslims into northern Africa, or the Europeans into North America don't either......

Which has existing negative consequences that can be rectified? If you believed, say, that a Jicarilla-Mescalero civil war caused significant damage among modern-day Apache, that would be cause for taking modern-day measures. If you could not validate that, the past is the past, isn't it, and we're not responsible for the deeds of our fathers fighting each other?

PostmodernProphet
02-04-2010, 06:55 PM
Which has existing negative consequences that can be rectified? If you believed, say, that a Jicarilla-Mescalero civil war caused significant damage among modern-day Apache, that would be cause for taking modern-day measures. If you could not validate that, the past is the past, isn't it, and we're not responsible for the deeds of our fathers fighting each other?

can you deny that the Sioux driving competing tribes out of the Great Plains had negative consequences for the expelled tribes?

glockmail
02-04-2010, 08:26 PM
Only in your ass-backwards view of history, idiot; Indians lost to viral microbes and each other more often than not. For example, Russians were the only Slavs to make a significant entry into America, and they fled up the coast of California when they encountered indigenous resistance. They were never even able to overcome the Chukchi in their own country.
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So Injuns are more susceptible to infections, is that your argument? Just because some Rooskie gang messed up doesn't make my ancestry inferior; in fact my strength is gleaned from harvesting the best of many European tribes.

Agnapostate
02-04-2010, 10:19 PM
can you deny that the Sioux driving competing tribes out of the Great Plains had negative consequences for the expelled tribes?

I've found that my patience has eroded as I've aged. I tried to explain the issue of modern-day consequences to you. You were apparently unable to comprehend it. I'll not belabor the poiint.


So Injuns are more susceptible to infections, is that your argument? Just because some Rooskie gang messed up doesn't make my ancestry inferior; in fact my strength is gleaned from harvesting the best of many European tribes.

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know what retarded view of history you've swallowed, but the vast majority of the indigenous population of America was killed through viral infection that had originated in Europe through interaction with animals not present in America and that they therefore had no immunity to. You have no "strength" from anything, as there's not superiority associated with genetic identity, racist. :laugh2:

Trigg
02-05-2010, 09:13 AM
You have no "strength" from anything, as there's not superiority associated with genetic identity, racist. :laugh2:

Actually there is and I'll give you an example.

There are scientists that believe that the reason AIDS hasn't affected the white population as badly as blacks and other races is because of the black plague that hit Europe. So, glock may indeed have an upper hand in the genetics department, as far as diseases are concerned.


"Today, nearly 10 percent of people of northern European descent are known to possess a variant, known as the CCR5^32 allele." The stretch being made in modern medicine is the belief that this Black Death resistance is also accountable for modern AIDS resistance and the presence of the special allele

http://inquestjournal.blogspot.com/2007/10/link-between-black-death-and-resistance.html

glockmail
02-05-2010, 09:42 AM
....What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know what retarded view of history you've swallowed, but the vast majority of the indigenous population of America was killed through viral infection that had originated in Europe through interaction with animals not present in America and that they therefore had no immunity to. You have no "strength" from anything, as there's not superiority associated with genetic identity, racist. :laugh2:

Y'all ancestors lived isolated lives and therefore became genetically weak. Mine were genetically superior by cross breeding of the individuals hardy enough to survive infections. :lol:

Agnapostate
02-05-2010, 01:23 PM
Actually

Actually, we spoke of inherent superiority associated with genetic makeup, not disease immunities that were obvious through the mere ability of any Western European group to establish a foothold in America.


Y'all ancestors lived isolated lives and therefore became genetically weak. Mine were genetically superior by cross breeding of the individuals hardy enough to survive infections. :lol:

You don't know who my ancestors are, son. Where the fuck are you getting your historical accounts? Avatar and Pocahontas? If the facts that Cahokia's population rivaled that of London and Paris, that Tenochtitlan made the retarded spic invaders wonder if they were dreaming, that the Inca empire was one only a few legitimate empires in existence hasn't gotten through your thick dome, that's not my problem. Various European populations developed disease immunities through their interactions with animals present on the continent, and imported them to America, on which such animals were not present. Idiot. :slap:

Trigg
02-05-2010, 02:15 PM
Actually, we spoke of inherent superiority associated with genetic makeup, not disease immunities that were obvious through the mere ability of any Western European group to establish a foothold in America.


Glock was discussing disease immunities of Europeans.


So Injuns are more susceptible to infections, is that your argument? Just because some Rooskie gang messed up doesn't make my ancestry inferior; in fact my strength is gleaned from harvesting the best of many European tribes.

You were the one who started with superiority and genetic identity.


You have no "strength" from anything, as there's not superiority associated with genetic identity, racist

Agnapostate
02-05-2010, 02:38 PM
Glock was discussing disease immunities of Europeans.

You were the one who started with superiority and genetic identity.

cockfail spoke of traits associated with superiority as a result of genetic background and has in other threads. Chin up, and you'll catch a glance of that. :slap:

glockmail
02-05-2010, 02:49 PM
Actually, we spoke of inherent superiority associated with genetic makeup, not disease immunities that were obvious through the mere ability of any Western European group to establish a foothold in America.



You don't know who my ancestors are, son. Where the fuck are you getting your historical accounts? Avatar and Pocahontas? If the facts that Cahokia's population rivaled that of London and Paris, that Tenochtitlan made the retarded spic invaders wonder if they were dreaming, that the Inca empire was one only a few legitimate empires in existence hasn't gotten through your thick dome, that's not my problem. Various European populations developed disease immunities through their interactions with animals present on the continent, and imported them to America, on which such animals were not present. Idiot. :slap:

In other words: 'Injuns lived isolated lives and therefore became genetically weak. Mine were genetically superior by cross breeding of the individuals hardy enough to survive infections.' :lol:

Agnapostate
02-05-2010, 03:54 PM
In other words: 'Injuns lived isolated lives and therefore became genetically weak. Mine were genetically superior by cross breeding of the individuals hardy enough to survive infections.' :lol:

I see that Slav thickheadedness coming out in you, son. Indians are heterogenous; some were hunter-gatherers, some agriculturalists, some urban city dwellers. Your idiocy apparently prevents you from realizing this. I don't know who your "ancestors" are because they're diseased mutts bred of miscegenation, evidently, but Europeans in general developed disease immunity because of interactions with animals that were absent in America. Some then imported these diseases to America, which is how they were even able to move about without being repelled. How fucking retarded are you? :laugh:

Trigg
02-05-2010, 06:12 PM
cockfail spoke of traits associated with superiority as a result of genetic background and has in other threads. Chin up, and you'll catch a glance of that. :slap:

He is speaking of traits associated with disease passed down through genetics. What he has talked about in other threads is irrelevant.

As for Indians being able to repel the English we will never know what would have happened in the absence of diseases. The tribes in the Northeast initially welcomed the English explorers.

Agnapostate
02-05-2010, 11:17 PM
He is speaking of traits associated with disease passed down through genetics. What he has talked about in other threads is irrelevant.

As for Indians being able to repel the English we will never know what would have happened in the absence of diseases. The tribes in the Northeast initially welcomed the English explorers.

cockfail has spoken of supremacy associated with genetic traits, laughably claiming that "crossbreeding" is responsible. I spoke of an environmental cause associated with the presence of animals in Europe that did not exist in America.

"Indians"? There was no homogeneity among them; if it ever came to the entire population of America (undiseased) against the English, they would obviously have been able to simply annihilate them by virtue of numerical supremacy. As to whether the Wampanoag could have done so, it's probable; early settlers could not have established self-sufficiency in their absence.

chesswarsnow
02-05-2010, 11:52 PM
Sorry bout that,



1. We already know mexicans and blacks vote they vote for libs.
2. What about the chinaindian man, where do they vote usually?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Agnapostate
02-06-2010, 12:35 AM
If we ever needed more evidence of the corrosive influence of hallucinogens...

PostmodernProphet
02-06-2010, 08:52 AM
I've found that my patience has eroded as I've aged. I tried to explain the issue of modern-day consequences to you. You were apparently unable to comprehend it. I'll not belabor the poiint.


from what I have seen the only "modern day consequences" of history upon native americans has been to those who refuse to participate in the modern day.....

Trigg
02-06-2010, 09:30 AM
cockfail has spoken of supremacy associated with genetic traits, laughably claiming that "crossbreeding" is responsible. I spoke of an environmental cause associated with the presence of animals in Europe that did not exist in America.

"Indians"? There was no homogeneity among them; if it ever came to the entire population of America (undiseased) against the English, they would obviously have been able to simply annihilate them by virtue of numerical supremacy. As to whether the Wampanoag could have done so, it's probable; early settlers could not have established self-sufficiency in their absence.

Again, we will never know. IMHO the outcome would probably have been the same, even in the absence of diseases. The Indians in the Northeast initially welcomed the Engligh settlers and the tribes out west were fighting amongst themselves. They even joined up with the Army to hunt down rival tribes.

IF, they had all joined together, is a BIG if. It wouldn't have happened, there was a lot of distrused and hatred among the tribes.

I use the word Indian as a general discription, just as you use white.

Agnapostate
02-06-2010, 02:10 PM
from what I have seen the only "modern day consequences" of history upon native americans has been to those who refuse to participate in the modern day.....

Another one of your shallow misconceptions, then.


Again, we will never know. IMHO the outcome would probably have been the same, even in the absence of diseases.

Estimates of death tolls due to infectious disease range from fifty to ninety percent, depending on the specific region. You've never wondered why so many societies were "tribes" to begin with, have you? They were reduced from more expansive states. It's simply not conceivable that small groups of English/Spanish/Dutch/French settlers could have overcome vastly numerically superior groups. Only the Eurocentrist would insist otherwise. ;)


The Indians in the Northeast initially welcomed the Engligh settlers and the tribes out west were fighting amongst themselves. They even joined up with the Army to hunt down rival tribes.

You're not even aware of the extent of their heterogeneity if you use the word "tribe" as a generic description, since some constructed states and empires. Some Northeastern communities (you've heard all about the Wampanoag and Thanksgiving, I'm sure) were not hostile towards the English, but this quickly changed when the English did not return the favor. Moreover, considering that they could not have established self-sufficiency without the Wampanoag, as I've been mentioning, they could have easily been slaughtered then.


I use the word Indian as a general discription, just as you use white.

I avoid using the word "white" in such a way, as I've noted that the "white race" is a social construct that is only a few centuries old and there is tremendous heterogeneity present, as with Amerindians.

Trigg
02-06-2010, 02:57 PM
Estimates of death tolls due to infectious disease range from fifty to ninety percent, depending on the specific region. You've never wondered why so many societies were "tribes" to begin with, have you? They were reduced from more expansive states. It's simply not conceivable that small groups of English/Spanish/Dutch/French settlers could have overcome vastly numerically superior groups. Only the Eurocentrist would insist otherwise. ;)



You're not even aware of the extent of their heterogeneity if you use the word "tribe" as a generic description, since some constructed states and empires. Some Northeastern communities (you've heard all about the Wampanoag and Thanksgiving, I'm sure) were not hostile towards the English, but this quickly changed when the English did not return the favor. Moreover, considering that they could not have established self-sufficiency without the Wampanoag, as I've been mentioning, they could have easily been slaughtered then.

I'm not going to spend the time breaking them up into tribal names.

Since there were was no census we have no idea how many Indians there were, so any guess work on how many died would be just that, guess work. As with any large scale disaster the death toll is always inflated and then reduced when actual counting goes on. The true percentages will never be known.

It is completely conceivable that the English and other settlers would have defeated the Indian tribes they encountered. The English were better armed and used to modern warfare tactics. The Indians were to busy fighting amongst themselves at the time. Like I mentioned many tribes were busy helping the Army hunt down other tribes. There was no love lost between groups. They fought each other just like the English and French fought each other.

In the absence of deaseases, I do think things would be different today. But, not by much. The settlers would still have spread west, American Indians would have survived in greater numbers and probably wouldn't have been pressed into reservations.

Gaffer
02-06-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm not going to spend the time breaking them up into tribal names.

Since there were was no census we have no idea how many Indians there were, so any guess work on how many died would be just that, guess work. As with any large scale disaster the death toll is always inflated and then reduced when actual counting goes on. The true percentages will never be known.

It is completely conceivable that the English and other settlers would have defeated the Indian tribes they encountered. The English were better armed and used to modern warfare tactics. The Indians were to busy fighting amongst themselves at the time. Like I mentioned many tribes were busy helping the Army hunt down other tribes. There was no love lost between groups. They fought each other just like the English and French fought each other.

In the absence of deaseases, I do think things would be different today. But, not by much. The settlers would still have spread west, American Indians would have survived in greater numbers and probably wouldn't have been pressed into reservations.

Also, when the Indians fought they fought as individuals, not as a cohesive unit. A war chief was simply the guy who led the charge. Chief Joseph Brant was the only one that organized his warriors into a serious fighting force, and he was half white.

SassyLady
02-07-2010, 02:18 AM
I see that Slav thickheadedness coming out in you, son. Indians are heterogenous; some were hunter-gatherers, some agriculturalists, some urban city dwellers. Your idiocy apparently prevents you from realizing this. I don't know who your "ancestors" are because they're diseased mutts bred of miscegenation, evidently, but Europeans in general developed disease immunity because of interactions with animals that were absent in America. Some then imported these diseases to America, which is how they were even able to move about without being repelled. How fucking retarded are you? :laugh:

Once again Aggie..........it doesn't matter if it was disease introduced by the evil white man, or if it was genetic superiority, or just plain old perserverance.........your ancestors did not prevail in whatever battle it was and lost their lands. It doesn't matter "why"........what matters is this "it is what it is". Why do you continue to argue the "whys"?

glockmail
02-07-2010, 07:57 PM
I see that Slav thickheadedness coming out in you, son. Indians are heterogenous; some were hunter-gatherers, some agriculturalists, some urban city dwellers. Your idiocy apparently prevents you from realizing this. I don't know who your "ancestors" are because they're diseased mutts bred of miscegenation, evidently, but Europeans in general developed disease immunity because of interactions with animals that were absent in America. Some then imported these diseases to America, which is how they were even able to move about without being repelled. How fucking retarded are you? :laugh:In other words: 'Injuns lived isolated lives and therefore became genetically weak. Mine were genetically superior by cross breeding of the individuals hardy enough to survive infections.'

glockmail
02-07-2010, 07:58 PM
cockfail ... Looks like I'm having the desired effect. :lol: