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gabosaurus
04-23-2007, 02:24 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - Campaigning in 2000, Texas Gov. George W. Bush would repeatedly raise his right hand as if taking an oath and vow to "restore honor and integrity" to the White House. He pledged to usher in a new era of bipartisanship.

The dual themes of honesty and bipartisanship struck a chord with many voters and helped propel Bush to the White House in one of the nation's closest-ever elections. Americans re-elected him in 2004 after he characterized himself as best suited to protect a nation at war.

Now, with fewer than two years left of his second term, the Bush administration is embroiled in multiple scandals and ethics investigations. The war in Iraq still rages. Bush's approval ratings are hovering in the mid-30s. And Democratic-Republican relations have seldom been more rancorous.

In the highest-profile current case, even some key Republicans are questioning the truthfulness and judgment of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in the firing of eight U.S. attorneys. The panel is investigating whether the prosecutors were dumped to make way for more politically obedient successors.

Gonzales is fighting to hold onto his job. So far, two top aides have resigned, one indicating she would invoke her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if questioned by Congress. E-mails and other evidence released by the Justice Department suggest Bush political adviser Karl Rove played a part in the firings.

Congress is also investigating whether Rove and other Bush political advisers improperly used Republican e-mail accounts to discuss the firings and other official business. The White House concedes the possibility but says much of the e-mail was lost or deleted.

"I don't believe that," asserted Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy D-Vt.. , chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged that "we screwed up."

The furor over Gonzales and Rove's e-mail practices follow disclosures of shoddy medical treatment of war-injured veterans, FBI abuses of civil liberties, and the conviction of a top White House aide of lying to a grand jury.

What ever happened to restoring honor and dignity?

"From the very beginning, this administration emphasized loyalty over competence. And at some point, that catches up with you," said Paul Light, a professor of public policy at New York University. He said the increase in scandals and investigations also reflects the "natural decay" that happens late in a second presidential term as many experienced people have already left and those remaining start focusing on their financial futures.

Some recent incidents:

• World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz, one of the architects of the Iraq war as deputy defense secretary, acknowledged he erred in helping a female friend he is dating to get transferred to a high-paying job at the State Department while remaining on the World Bank payroll. The revelations fueled calls from the bank's staff association for him to resign.

• Matteo Fontana, a Department of Education official who oversaw the student loan industry, was put on leave after disclosure that he owned at least $100,000 worth of stock in a student loan company.

• Lurita Doan, head of the General Services Administration, attended a luncheon at the agency earlier this year with other top GSA political appointees at which Scott Jennings, a top Rove aide, gave a PowerPoint demonstration on how to help Republican candidates in 2008. A congressional committee is investigating whether the remarks violated a federal law that restricts executive-branch employees from using their positions for political purposes.

• Julie MacDonald, who oversees the Fish and Wildlife Service but has no academic background in biology, overrode recommendations of agency scientists about how to protect endangered species and improperly leaked internal information to private groups, the Interior Department's inspector general said.

Increasing coziness between federal officials and the industries they oversee "is not endemic to any particular administration in Washington," said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, which seeks to reduce the role of money in politics. "This has been an ongoing problem for some time now."

Potential conflicts "come into heavier play in the second term of two-term administrations because people who have been there for some time start leaving," said Wertheimer.

Both the House and the Senate, responding to voter frustration with corruption and special interest influence in Washington, have approved ethics and lobbying measures. But they apply only to members of Congress, restricting their gifts and free travel, and not to the executive branch.

Republicans like to emphasize that scandals, some large, most small, happen under Democratic presidents too. But Bush's critics say the number of current ethics allegations is unusually high. And they say evidence is strong of close links between the Bush administration and certain industries such as energy and defense.

For instance, Philip Cooney, a former oil-industry lobbyist who became chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality, acknowledged to a House committee last month that he edited three government reports to eliminate or downplay links between greenhouse gases and global warming — and defended the changes. He left the government in 2005 to work for Exxon Mobil Corp.

Former Air Force procurement officer Darleen Druyun served nine months in prison in 2005 for violating conflict-of-interest rules after agreeing to lease Boeing refueling tankers for $23 billion, despite Pentagon studies showing the tankers were unnecessary. After making the deal, she quit the government to join Boeing.

Scooter Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, became the first high-level White House official to be indicted while in office in more than 100 years.

He was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in a grand jury's investigation of the outing of
CIA operative Valierie Plame. The trial also implicated Rove and Cheney in a campaign to discredit her husband, retired diplomat and Iraq war critic Joe Wilson (news, bio, voting record).

Ties between Bush administration officials and convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff also taken its toll in the executive branch, as it has in Congress.

J. Steven Griles, a former oil and gas lobbyist who became deputy interior secretary, last month became the highest-ranking administration official convicted in the Abramoff influence-peddling scandal, pleading guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee about his relationship with Abramoff. Abramoff repeatedly sought Griles' intervention at Interior on behalf of Indian tribal clients.

Former White House aide, David H. Safavian, was convicted last year of lying to government investigators about his ties to Abramoff and faces an 180-month prison sentence. Roger Stillwell, a former Interior Department official, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge for not reporting tickets he received from Abramoff.

Not all the administration officials who have left under a cloud have been accused of white-collar misconduct.

Claude Allen, who was Bush's domestic policy adviser, pleaded guilty to theft in making phony returns at discount department stores. He was sentenced last summer to two years of supervised probation and fined $500.

darin
04-23-2007, 02:29 PM
that piece is a hack-job done by pulling out half-truths and rhetoric.

avatar4321
04-23-2007, 03:01 PM
You know, Im getting tired of hearing about the multiple "Scandals" that have no basis it fact. Democrats havent been able to create a single "Scandal" for the Administration no matter what their claims are.

Call me when they actually do something wrong and when Democrats stop pretending the administration did something wrong.

stephanie
04-23-2007, 03:09 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - Campaigning in 2000, Texas Gov. George W. Bush would repeatedly raise his right hand as if taking an oath and vow to "restore honor and integrity" to the White House. He pledged to usher in a new era of bipartisanship.

The dual themes of honesty and bipartisanship struck a chord with many voters and helped propel Bush to the White House in one of the nation's closest-ever elections. Americans re-elected him in 2004 after he characterized himself as best suited to protect a nation at war.

Now, with fewer than two years left of his second term, the Bush administration is embroiled in multiple scandals and ethics investigations. The war in Iraq still rages. Bush's approval ratings are hovering in the mid-30s. And Democratic-Republican relations have seldom been more rancorous.

In the highest-profile current case, even some key Republicans are questioning the truthfulness and judgment of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in the firing of eight U.S. attorneys. The panel is investigating whether the prosecutors were dumped to make way for more politically obedient successors.

Gonzales is fighting to hold onto his job. So far, two top aides have resigned, one indicating she would invoke her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if questioned by Congress. E-mails and other evidence released by the Justice Department suggest Bush political adviser Karl Rove played a part in the firings.

Congress is also investigating whether Rove and other Bush political advisers improperly used Republican e-mail accounts to discuss the firings and other official business. The White House concedes the possibility but says much of the e-mail was lost or deleted.

"I don't believe that," asserted Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy D-Vt.. , chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged that "we screwed up."

The furor over Gonzales and Rove's e-mail practices follow disclosures of shoddy medical treatment of war-injured veterans, FBI abuses of civil liberties, and the conviction of a top White House aide of lying to a grand jury.

What ever happened to restoring honor and dignity?

"From the very beginning, this administration emphasized loyalty over competence. And at some point, that catches up with you," said Paul Light, a professor of public policy at New York University. He said the increase in scandals and investigations also reflects the "natural decay" that happens late in a second presidential term as many experienced people have already left and those remaining start focusing on their financial futures.

Some recent incidents:

• World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz, one of the architects of the Iraq war as deputy defense secretary, acknowledged he erred in helping a female friend he is dating to get transferred to a high-paying job at the State Department while remaining on the World Bank payroll. The revelations fueled calls from the bank's staff association for him to resign.

• Matteo Fontana, a Department of Education official who oversaw the student loan industry, was put on leave after disclosure that he owned at least $100,000 worth of stock in a student loan company.

• Lurita Doan, head of the General Services Administration, attended a luncheon at the agency earlier this year with other top GSA political appointees at which Scott Jennings, a top Rove aide, gave a PowerPoint demonstration on how to help Republican candidates in 2008. A congressional committee is investigating whether the remarks violated a federal law that restricts executive-branch employees from using their positions for political purposes.

• Julie MacDonald, who oversees the Fish and Wildlife Service but has no academic background in biology, overrode recommendations of agency scientists about how to protect endangered species and improperly leaked internal information to private groups, the Interior Department's inspector general said.

Increasing coziness between federal officials and the industries they oversee "is not endemic to any particular administration in Washington," said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, which seeks to reduce the role of money in politics. "This has been an ongoing problem for some time now."

Potential conflicts "come into heavier play in the second term of two-term administrations because people who have been there for some time start leaving," said Wertheimer.

Both the House and the Senate, responding to voter frustration with corruption and special interest influence in Washington, have approved ethics and lobbying measures. But they apply only to members of Congress, restricting their gifts and free travel, and not to the executive branch.

Republicans like to emphasize that scandals, some large, most small, happen under Democratic presidents too. But Bush's critics say the number of current ethics allegations is unusually high. And they say evidence is strong of close links between the Bush administration and certain industries such as energy and defense.

For instance, Philip Cooney, a former oil-industry lobbyist who became chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality, acknowledged to a House committee last month that he edited three government reports to eliminate or downplay links between greenhouse gases and global warming — and defended the changes. He left the government in 2005 to work for Exxon Mobil Corp.

Former Air Force procurement officer Darleen Druyun served nine months in prison in 2005 for violating conflict-of-interest rules after agreeing to lease Boeing refueling tankers for $23 billion, despite Pentagon studies showing the tankers were unnecessary. After making the deal, she quit the government to join Boeing.

Scooter Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, became the first high-level White House official to be indicted while in office in more than 100 years.

He was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in a grand jury's investigation of the outing of
CIA operative Valierie Plame. The trial also implicated Rove and Cheney in a campaign to discredit her husband, retired diplomat and Iraq war critic Joe Wilson (news, bio, voting record).

Ties between Bush administration officials and convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff also taken its toll in the executive branch, as it has in Congress.

J. Steven Griles, a former oil and gas lobbyist who became deputy interior secretary, last month became the highest-ranking administration official convicted in the Abramoff influence-peddling scandal, pleading guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee about his relationship with Abramoff. Abramoff repeatedly sought Griles' intervention at Interior on behalf of Indian tribal clients.

Former White House aide, David H. Safavian, was convicted last year of lying to government investigators about his ties to Abramoff and faces an 180-month prison sentence. Roger Stillwell, a former Interior Department official, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge for not reporting tickets he received from Abramoff.

Not all the administration officials who have left under a cloud have been accused of white-collar misconduct.

Claude Allen, who was Bush's domestic policy adviser, pleaded guilty to theft in making phony returns at discount department stores. He was sentenced last summer to two years of supervised probation and fined $500.

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KitchenKitten99
04-23-2007, 03:13 PM
You know, Im getting tired of hearing about the multiple "Scandals" that have no basis it fact. Democrats havent been able to create a single "Scandal" for the Administration no matter what their claims are.

Call me when they actually do something wrong and when Democrats stop pretending the administration did something wrong.

they do create them, but then lose steam quickly.

Kathianne
04-23-2007, 04:40 PM
:link:

I found the beginning at 'newsflash', but it appears the post is a composite. I'll not bother with the rest:

http://www.nj.com/newsflash/lateststories/index.ssf?/base/politics-9/1177264151142810.xml&storylist=#continue

typomaniac
04-23-2007, 04:50 PM
that piece is a hack-job done by pulling out half-truths and rhetoric.What a lucid, thorough, intelligent refutation. :lol:

stephanie
04-23-2007, 04:53 PM
I found the beginning at 'newsflash', but it appears the post is a composite. I'll not bother with the rest:

http://www.nj.com/newsflash/lateststories/index.ssf?/base/politics-9/1177264151142810.xml&storylist=#continue

Thanks Kat..I knew I had read this yesterday, but couldn't remember where..
And all it is......is a liberal wet dream..:coffee:

Kathianne
04-23-2007, 05:19 PM
Thanks Kat..I knew I had read this yesterday, but couldn't remember where..
And all it is......is a liberal wet dream..:coffee:

Thanks for the thanks. :lol: Gabby is of old, a post and run.

Mr. P
04-23-2007, 05:57 PM
There is an illness that has infected the left, it's called "If it ain't our guy toss as much shit as possible and see what sticks". Gabby is a poster child of this practice. How long has it been going on now, since November 2000? Yup, they were not infected when Bill was in (their guy). Their guy was rejected in 2000 and they just plain got sick. I think some penicillin is way past due.

Kathianne
04-23-2007, 06:16 PM
There is an illness that has infected the left, it's called "If it ain't our guy toss as much shit as possible and see what sticks". Gabby is a poster child of this practice. How long has it been going on now, since November 2000? Yup, they were not infected when Bill was in (their guy). Their guy was rejected in 2000 and they just plain got sick. I think some penicillin is way past due.

I would have repped this, but couldn't. Gabby is a poster child. So is RSR, for those that know him at this site and another, but on the other side.

Anyone that buys into a political party whole heartedly, is bound to be burnt. The founders warned against factions.

KitchenKitten99
04-23-2007, 06:19 PM
took care of it for you Kathianne...

Kathianne
04-23-2007, 06:20 PM
took care of it for you Kathianne...

:cool: Thanks.

typomaniac
04-23-2007, 07:20 PM
There is an illness that has infected the left, it's called "If it ain't our guy toss as much shit as possible and see what sticks". If true, the left got infected by the right. Whitewater is a perfect example.

Mr. P
04-23-2007, 07:29 PM
If true, the left got infected by the right. Whitewater is a perfect example.

Nahhh you've never seen the right dog a President with accusation after accusation like the left has done the last 6 years..never. You have no case admit it. Then vote in 08, and STFU if it doesn't go your way.

We all can find fault with the other party, but this has been insane.

lily
04-23-2007, 08:35 PM
What a lucid, thorough, intelligent refutation. :lol:


I still don't see any refutation.....

Gunny
04-23-2007, 09:51 PM
I still don't see any refutation.....

If you say the sky is pink, there's nothing to refute.

manu1959
04-23-2007, 09:58 PM
I still don't see any refutation.....

how many e-mail systems is the white house required by law to have?

lily
04-23-2007, 11:23 PM
how many e-mail systems is the white house required by law to have?

I have no clue......I also have no clue as to where tons of emails went to either and the White House admits "they screwed up". Democrats bitching because they don't have them isn't going to make them suddenly appear, much like the missing tape of Nixon........but you see, that is not the bulk of the OP.

manu1959
04-23-2007, 11:29 PM
I have no clue......I also have no clue as to where tons of emails went to either and the White House admits "they screwed up". Democrats bitching because they don't have them isn't going to make them suddenly appear, much like the missing tape of Nixon........but you see, that is not the bulk of the OP.


if you have one the hatch act requires that you have two....dems claim the gop used the wrong one to discuss WH stuff and they want those...logan may not cover the GOP e-mail system....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939 ya i know but it explains what it is

lily
04-23-2007, 11:49 PM
if you have one the hatch act requires that you have two....dems claim the gop used the wrong one to discuss WH stuff and they want those...logan may not cover the GOP e-mail system....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939 ya i know but it explains what it is


I didn't see anything about if you have one email account you must have two.......either way it's not going to make missing emails suddenly appear. If they have them and are not turning them over it makes them look just as guilty as Gonzales did when testifying. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it? This isn't state secrets we're talking about.

gabosaurus
04-23-2007, 11:50 PM
Link? It's an Associated Press story! :laugh2: DOH!! :poke:

So yes, let's get back to the traditional ConRep response to stories critical of the Bushies -- anything not reported by Fox or a righty site like Town Hall has to be a "hack job" that "lacks credibility."
Otherwise known as "if we don't believe it, then it doesn't exist" :cool:

manu1959
04-23-2007, 11:52 PM
I didn't see anything about if you have one email account you must have two.......either way it's not going to make missing emails suddenly appear. If they have them and are not turning them over it makes them look just as guilty as Gonzales did when testifying. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it? This isn't state secrets we're talking about.

you can not use the white house account to discuss gop stuff thus if you have a wh account you must have a gop account....dems are after the gop account....not entitled to the gop account...."save all the white house papers act" in my opinion does not applie to the gop account....

stephanie
04-23-2007, 11:55 PM
Link? It's an Associated Press story! :laugh2: DOH!! :poke:

So yes, let's get back to the traditional ConRep response to stories critical of the Bushies -- anything not reported by Fox or a righty site like Town Hall has to be a "hack job" that "lacks credibility."
Otherwise known as "if we don't believe it, then it doesn't exist" :cool:

Get a grip...You know your suppose to supply a link with an article you post..:slap:

lily
04-24-2007, 12:05 AM
you can not use the white house account to discuss gop stuff thus if you have a wh account you must have a gop account....dems are after the gop account....not entitled to the gop account....logan act in my opinion does not applie to the gop account....

Logan act?????? Count me out of this discussion. I can see where it's headed.

manu1959
04-24-2007, 12:10 AM
Logan act?????? Count me out of this discussion. I can see where it's headed.

so wrong act...wasn't going there....i meant the "keep the whitehouse papers rule" ...long day and i am tired....i do enjoy our discussions....sorry

lily
04-24-2007, 12:17 AM
so wrong act...wasn't going there....i meant the "keep the whitehouse papers rule" ...long day and i am tired....i do enjoy our discussions....sorry

No problem. As I said, if they say they're missing or what you say "keep the whitehouse papers rule" either way, their are not going to get them.....but you have to admit, saying you're not going to get them, or sending them blacked out papers shows you've got something to hide.

I don't think Bush is going to budge on this one, no matter how much pressure he gets Gonzales is staying.....although on the other hand I have money on him leaving the first Friday in May on another forum.

gabosaurus
04-24-2007, 12:21 AM
Get a grip...You know your suppose to supply a link with an article you post..:slap:

The "link" is the attribution that it is an AP story. You can find AP stories in every newspaper and web site that exists. Try not to play dumb when you get called out.

manu1959
04-24-2007, 12:22 AM
No problem. As I said, if they say they're missing or what you say "keep the whitehouse papers rule" either way, their are not going to get them.....but you have to admit, saying you're not going to get them, or sending them blacked out papers shows you've got something to hide.

I don't think Bush is going to budge on this one, no matter how much pressure he gets Gonzales is staying.....although on the other hand I have money on him leaving the first Friday in May on another forum.

do we agree that gonzo was allowed to fire them?

do we agree that one can fire people for any reason?

do we agree that gonzo handled the firing badly?

the real question is....were they fired so that they would not pursue republicans....right....and CV from the left is that is why the were fired...right?.....well if that is it....why are not those that are fired going on cnn and saying that?

lily
04-24-2007, 12:36 AM
do we agree that gonzo was allowed to fire them?

do we agree that one can fire people for any reason?

do we agree that gonzo handled the firing badly?

the real question is....were they fired so that they would not pursue republicans....right....and CV from the left is that is why the were fired...right?.....well if that is it....why are not those that are fired going on cnn and saying that?


I don't think other than Iglesias/Dominici I have ever argued the firing aspect of it.......in fact I think more than once I have said if Republicans don't give a shit that Republican attorneys were fired, why should I.......I've been arguing that Gonzales is a shitty AG and he lied in front of Congress. For that he deserves to be fired.

The argument about the papers, just shows me he isn't the only one lying.

manu1959
04-24-2007, 12:42 AM
I don't think other than Iglesias/Dominici I have ever argued the firing aspect of it.......in fact I think more than once I have said if Republicans don't give a shit that Republican attorneys were fired, why should I.......I've been arguing that Gonzales is a shitty AG and he lied in front of Congress. For that he deserves to be fired.

The argument about the papers, just shows me he isn't the only one lying.

iglesias refused (my word) to investigate a construction coruption charge which the contractor eventually plead out.....seems iglesias should have been fired?....he wouldn't go after the dems?...

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/special/554986nm04-15-07.htm

guess it depends on how you want to read it....

typomaniac
04-24-2007, 11:31 AM
you can not use the white house account to discuss gop stuff thus if you have a wh account you must have a gop account....dems are after the gop account....not entitled to the gop account...."save all the white house papers act" in my opinion does not applie to the gop account....You're telling us that DoJ personnel issues are suddenly GOP party business?!? :eek: :lame2:

lily
04-24-2007, 03:22 PM
http://www.abqjournal.com/news/special/554986nm04-15-07.htm

guess it depends on how you want to read it....


Sure does.....I think I'll go by what was said under oath....but I wil give your article extra credit because it did bring up the missing emails.:coffee:

http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/mar/06/iglesias-speaks-senate-committee/

typomaniac
04-24-2007, 03:56 PM
You're telling us that DoJ personnel issues are suddenly GOP party business?!? :eek: :lame2:The silence from the loyal Bushies speaks volumes...

TheStripey1
04-24-2007, 05:49 PM
:link:


Ask and ye shall receive...

LINK (http://www.meadowfreepress.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=98385&source=2)

and thanks, steffie... looking it up for you found me another repub for the corrupt pol thread...

:cheers2:

some guy from Alaska... hope he's not your representative's aide...

stephanie
04-24-2007, 05:57 PM
Ask and ye shall receive...

LINK (http://www.meadowfreepress.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=98385&source=2)

and thanks, steffie... looking it up for you found me another repub for the corrupt pol thread...

:cheers2:

some guy from Alaska... hope he's not your representative...

:p :slap:

TheStripey1
04-24-2007, 05:59 PM
:p :slap:

he's not your rep... but he might be your rep's aide... if he is... maybe you could get his job...

I'll put in a good word for you...

:cheers2: