People who hate Bush hate him because...

[-Cp]

Of his Faith - pure and simple.. how do I know? Because if there wasn't an "easy hate target" in the form of the Iraq War, they'd still find something else to hate him for which is very ironic. Outside of the War, we have a President who has given us the following:

1. The lowest unempolyment in decades
2. Private Home ownership at an all time high
3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11
4. A job growth rate that dwarf's the Clinton era
5. Lower taxes - and not just for the "wealthy" - my wife and I have appreciated the tax breaks we've recieved over the past 7 years.

[gabosaurus]

I don't hate Bush at all. I think he makes poor choices and surrounds himself with those who give him poor advice. I also believe he has delusions of grandeur that cloud his decision making process.

[theHawk]

I don't hate Bush at all. I think he makes poor choices and surrounds himself with those who give him poor advice. I also believe he has delusions of grandeur that cloud his decision making process.


With that avatar you expect us to believe that? :lol:

[Hagbard Celine]

Of his Faith - pure and simple.. how do I know? Because if there wasn't an "easy hate target" in the form of the Iraq War, they'd still find something else to hate him for which is very ironic. Outside of the War, we have a President who has given us the following:

1. The lowest unempolyment in decades
2. Private Home ownership at an all time high
3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11
4. A job growth rate that dwarf's the Clinton era
5. Lower taxes - and not just for the "wealthy" - my wife and I have appreciated the tax breaks we've recieved over the past 7 years.

1. All of the "new" jobs are in the non-skilled service sector with workers earning poverty-level wages.
2. Homeowner bankruptcies will skyrocket in the coming decade when all those "adjustable rate" mortages kick in.
3. Terrorism in Europe and the rest of the world have skyrocketed since 911 but who cares about them right? Also, I guess Bush and co. started reading their intelligence memos after 911 huh?
4. It seems like a new McDonald's or Great Clips goes up in my neighborhood every other week. All those promising "jobs" are really going to ensure a bright future for America. :rolleyes:
5. The US pays more per capita for healthcare than any other nation on Earth but gets less value out of their healthcare system than all other western nations. Sure do like that tax rebate check though! I think I'll spend it on a bunch of sh*t I don't need at Wal-Mart!

And I don't "hate" Bush. I think he's an embarrassment and I don't think he represents me as an American at all. I think he'd be a good guy to have a beer with at the family barbeque. But that hardly qualifies him to be President. And "having faith" doesn't give you a license to make ideologially-driven policy that restricts the rights of other people.

[typomaniac]

I agree with all 5 of HC's counterpoints, but none of them is the reason I hate Bush.

I hate Bush because he is the diametric opposite of everything our party is supposed to stand for. Personal responsibility, less government, and integrity.

[theHawk]

1. All of the "new" jobs are in the non-skilled service sector with workers earning poverty-level wages.
ALL of them? WOW. I guess the nicely paying IT job I got during the Bush administration is considered a non-skilled and I am in the poverty-level. :lol:



2. Homeowner bankruptcies will skyrocket in the coming decade when all those "adjustable rate" mortages kick in.
A good reason to get a fixed rate, like I did when I bought by home during the Bush administration. A home I could afford because of my new job!



3. Terrorism in Europe and the rest of the world have skyrocketed since 911 but who cares about them right? Also, I guess Bush and co. started reading their intelligence memos after 911 huh?
You fail to mention those countries are run by flamming libs and live under liberal policies. But hey, lets blame Bush anyway!



4. It seems like a new McDonald's or Great Clips goes up in my neighborhood every other week. All those promising "jobs" are really going to ensure a bright future for America. :rolleyes:
Maybe the workers there should try to learn a new skill if thats all they can get. Gotta start somewhere....I used to work at Jack n the Box.



5. The US pays more per capita for healthcare than any other nation on Earth but gets less value out of their healthcare system than all other western nations. Sure do like that tax rebate check though! I think I'll spend it on a bunch of sh*t I don't need at Wal-Mart!

Socialized health care is utter crap in the Euro countries. And they are paying for it through the nose with taxes. Nothing is free.



Do us all a favor and go back to smoking your weed and spare us of your watered down and repetitive comments.

[loosecannon]

Of his Faith - pure and simple

Surely you jest?

1. The lowest unempolyment in decades

It was lower under Clinton if you applied the same metrics to calculate unemployment.

2. Private Home ownership at an all time high

Interest rates were reduced to almost nothing to prevent an economic collapse. We are now seeing skyrocketing foreclosures erasing those gains.

3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11

So? We had no attacks on our soil for 60 years before 9/11. We were attacked on ourt soil under Bush.

4. A job growth rate that dwarf's the Clinton era

Laughable; the jobs creation rate is a fraction of the same under Clinton. Clintons terms saw 14 million new jobs, under bush it is about 6-7 million.

5. Lower taxes - and not just for the "wealthy" - my wife and I have appreciated the tax breaks we've recieved over the past 7 years.

But the big majority of the tax breaks were realized by the richest 20%

~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think people who hate Bush's presidency do so because he is a complete disaster as a president.

1) he started an elective war in Iraq that can not be won thus disrupting (breaking) the whole ME

2)he has added 3.5 trillion to our national debt

3) he has deeply damaged our reputatiuon in the world

4) he has reignited the cold war

5) he has dramatically increased the threat of terrorism to our nation.

6)he has allowed our economy to be outsourced

7)He has reigned over an unprecedented corruption of our government and elections process

8) he is responsible for the patriot act and introducing no child left behind and voting machines without verification capacity

9) he has presided over an abysmal error in our energy policy that may cut us off from petro currency domination and control of ME oil

10) he partied while NO flooded.

[Birdzeye]

Bush has repeatedly shown himself to be a "my way or the highway" sort of guy, unwilling to listen to reasonable suggestions from others and unwilling to negotiate. His idea of give and take is that he takes.

[Samantha]

I hate being lied to. That's why I hate Bush. Bush's lies:

WMD in Iraq

Pat Tillman's death

Progress in Iraq

Bring integrity to the White House

Wiretaps require warrants

Connection between Saddam and 9/11

"We've never been stay the course"

Iraq recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa

God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.


George W. Bush is a liar. He has lied large and small, directly and by omission. His Iraq lies have loomed largest. In the run-up to the invasion, Bush based his case for war on a variety of unfounded claims that extended far beyond his controversial uranium-from-Niger assertion. He maintained that Saddam Hussein possessed "a massive stockpile" of unconventional weapons and was directly "dealing" with Al Qaeda--two suppositions unsupported then (or now) by the available evidence. He said the International Atomic Energy Agency had produced a report in 1998 noting that Iraq was six months from developing a nuclear weapon; no such report existed (and the IAEA had actually reported then that there was no indication Iraq had the ability to produce weapons-grade material). Bush asserted that Iraq was "harboring a terrorist network, headed by a senior Al Qaeda terrorist planner"; US intelligence officials told reporters this terrorist was operating ouside of Al Qaeda control. And two days before launching the war, Bush said, "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." Yet former deputy CIA director Richard Kerr, who is conducting a review of the prewar intelligence, has said that intelligence was full of qualifiers and caveats, and based on circumstantial and inferential evidence. That is, it was not no-doubt stuff. And after the major fighting was done, Bush declared, "We found the weapons of mass destruction." But he could only point to two tractor-trailers that the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency had concluded were mobile bioweapons labs. Other experts--including the DIA's own engineering experts--disagreed with this finding. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031013/corn

I know there are liar lovers on this board, who still support this lying sack of shit President. But I'm not one of them.

[MtnBiker]

So? We had no attacks on our soil for 60 years before 9/11. We were attacked on ourt soil under Bush.


Really? Who is Ramzi Ahmed Yousef?

[darin]

I hate being lied to. That's why I hate Bush. Bush's lies:

WMD in Iraq

Pat Tillman's death

Progress in Iraq

Bring integrity to the White House

Wiretaps require warrants

Connection between Saddam and 9/11

"We've never been stay the course"

Iraq recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa

God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031013/corn

I know there are liar lovers on this board, who still support this lying sack of shit President. But I'm not one of them.


http://images.wikia.com/wikiality/images/thumb/300px-Kool-Aid2.jpg

[Samantha]

Brilliant defense there dp staff koolaide.

Whatsamatter? Can't figure out how to defend against Bush's lies? What kind of liar lover are you?

[darin]

Brilliant defense there dp staff koolaide.

Whatsamatter? Can't figure out how to defend against Bush's lies? What kind of liar lover are you?

Prove Bush Lied.

(shrug).

[loosecannon]

Really? Who is Ramzi Ahmed Yousef?


A Pakistani?

[Birdzeye]

Prove Bush Lied.

(shrug).

Oh, good grief. People have pointed out how what Bush has said has repeatedly, uh, been at odds with the truth, or reality, and STILL the True Believers keep asking what has been answered already - countless times.

[Hagbard Celine]

A Pakistani?

You misspoke when you said we had no attacks on the US pre-911. Terrorists bombed the trade towers during the Clinton Administration.

[MtnBiker]

A Pakistani?

Did he do anything on February 26, 1993?

[loosecannon]

Prove Bush Lied.

(shrug).



BUSH: Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires --- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.


....

[loosecannon]

Did he do anything on February 26, 1993?

Yup, That slipped my mind because IMO it was an unsuccesful attempt.

[MtnBiker]

Yup, That slipped my mind because IMO it was an unsuccesful attempt.

Amazing!

[Hagbard Celine]

Amazing!

He's got a point about it being a foiled attempt. And it was under Clinton's watch.

[darin]

....

where is the lie?

[MtnBiker]

He's got a point about it being a foiled attempt. And it was under Clinton's watch.


Foiled? that assumes that authorities disrupted the bombing. There was a bomb sucessfully planted and detonated but poorly executed. The Clinton administration did nothing to stop the attack.

So what kind of body count is needed for you guys to care about a terrorist attack?

[loosecannon]

Amazing!


Yeah, but it is the way I perceive it.

A handful of rogues blowing up parking garages don't register as an attack against us because they are not any different than Timothy McVeigh's attack and lotsa other events in the US.

I only considered the 9/11 attacks attacks because they were relatively massive, succesful and coordinated like a military operation.

The death tolls and damge were on a whole new scale.

[loosecannon]

where is the lie?

They had completely stopped applying for warrants. He said they always obtained warrants.

[Hagbard Celine]

Foiled? that assumes that authorities disrupted the bombing. There was a bomb sucessfully planted and detonated but poorly executed. The Clinton administration did nothing to stop the attack.

So what kind of body count is needed for you guys to care about a terrorist attack?

One person.

[darin]

They had completely stopped applying for warrants. He said they always obtained warrants.

Not really. It's just the way the warrants were achieved. Policy changed. That's not a lie. That's a mis-speak at worst...

[Hagbard Celine]

Not really. It's just the way the warrants were achieved. Policy changed. That's not a lie. That's a mis-speak at worst...

Actually, they did stop getting warrants. So, you're wrong. Again.

(shrugs/exhales slowly/pities dmp/lets out a silent fart)

[Birdzeye]

3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11


I think giving Bush credit for this is ludicrous. It's not like we've had few stretches of time where we've been free of terrorist attacks.

[Little-Acorn]

Democrat hysterics were circulating impeachment petitions against Bush after the 2000 election, before he had even taken office.

The same trend continues today.

(yawn)

[darin]

Actually, they did stop getting warrants. So, you're wrong. Again.

(shrugs/exhales slowly/pities dmp/lets out a silent fart)

Policy may have been changed. What's the problem, turbo?

[loosecannon]

Not really. It's just the way the warrants were achieved. Policy changed. That's not a lie. That's a mis-speak at worst...

They had entirely stopped obtaining warrants at all and didn't begin again until early this year when they reorganized FISA and got ONE judge to sign off on a wholesale warrant approval process.

Mis speak? You are kidding right?

[darin]

They had entirely stopped obtaining warrants at all and didn't begin again until early this year when they reorganized FISA and got ONE judge to sign off on a wholesale warrant approval process.

Mis speak? You are kidding right?

Nope. I'll research it and let you know. :)

[GW in Ohio]

Of his Faith - pure and simple.. how do I know? Because if there wasn't an "easy hate target" in the form of the Iraq War, they'd still find something else to hate him for which is very ironic. Outside of the War, we have a President who has given us the following:

1. The lowest unempolyment in decades
2. Private Home ownership at an all time high
3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11
4. A job growth rate that dwarf's the Clinton era
5. Lower taxes - and not just for the "wealthy" - my wife and I have appreciated the tax breaks we've recieved over the past 7 years.

Pardon me while I respond to your thesis......

Bullshit

Yours is one of the stupidest propositions I've heard in a long time.

I have no objection to his faith, dude. I don't care if Jesus is his best friend, or his favorite philosopher, or if he has Jesus over for lunch on Saturdays.

What I need from a president is good judgment, and that is where Mr. Bush is a complete disaster.

I could live with the fact that he doesn't give a shit about the environment. But I cannot....will not ever....forgive his decision to invade Iraq, against all common sense, against the advice of his generals, and based as it was on deception. The Iraq war has cost American lives, and will probably cost us $1 trillion before it's over. It has brought the condemnation of the international community down on us and set our foreign policy back 50 years.

Moreover, this stupid, ill-conceived war has served as a recruiting poster and a propaganda boon for radical Muslim groups and set off a civil war in Iraq.

That's what I have against George Bush. I could care less about his religion.

[loosecannon]

Democrat hysterics were circulating impeachment petitions against Bush after the 2000 election, before he had even taken office.

The same trend continues today.

(yawn)

That is because he wasn't elected. He was selected in a 5-4 decision which vilated the constitutional premise that elections are remanded to the states.

The US SC "over ruled" the FL SC decision to allow the recount to continue.

Clear violation of the law.

[OCA]

That is because he wasn't elected. He was selected in a 5-4 decision which vilated the constitutional premise that elections are remanded to the states.

The US SC "over ruled" the FL SC decision to allow the recount to continue.

Clear violation of the law.


How many recounts did you want? Gore lost every one to that point. In fact it was Gore who started the process that ended up being brought to the SC, Gore was simply put.....a poor fucking loser.

[theHawk]

That is because he wasn't elected. He was selected in a 5-4 decision which vilated the constitutional premise that elections are remanded to the states.

The US SC "over ruled" the FL SC decision to allow the recount to continue.

Clear violation of the law.

You mean since they decided had won from recounts. I suppose it would of been completely lawful if they had declared Gore the winner, even though the votes never added up to that. You liberals don't seem to ever come to terms that Bush had more votes than Gore did in FL, no matter how many times you recounted it. Keep crying about it losers... :laugh2:

[OCA]

Cracks me up that people think the Constitution is a suicide pact. Cracks me up that people think the government was listening in on their calls to Dominoes when they got a large sausage and onion.

Don't fuck with known terrorists or have ties to terrorists and you have zero to worry about.

BTW Roosevelt surveiled all German-Americans and interned all Japanese during WWII, that is the worst abuse of the constitution ever in American history although I agree with his motives.....but if you guys want to be technical...........................

[OCA]

You mean since they decided had won from recounts. I suppose it would of been completely lawful if they had declared Gore the winner, even though the votes never added up to that. You liberals don't seem to ever come to terms that Bush had more votes than Gore did in FL, no matter how many times you recounted it. Keep crying about it losers... :laugh2:

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Its never their fault, they think their mesage didn't get out. Uhhh wrong, their message got out in 2000 and 2004 and was rejected, thats why its a joke when they say that 2006 congressional vote was for Demo leadership rather than Repub leadership, it was a protest vote pure and simple and there was nowhere else to go except to socialist Demos, it was a protest vote built on lies but a protest vote nonetheless.

[Little-Acorn]

That is because he wasn't elected. He was selected in a 5-4 decision which vilated the constitutional premise that elections are remanded to the states.

The US SC "over ruled" the FL SC decision to allow the recount to continue.

Clear violation of the law.

I rest my case. The kooky members of this political version of the "Flat Earth Society" continue to screech with blinders firmly in place. They are the "trend" I referred to.

[loosecannon]

You mean since they decided had won from recounts. I suppose it would of been completely lawful if they had declared Gore the winner, even though the votes never added up to that. You liberals don't seem to ever come to terms that Bush had more votes than Gore did in FL, no matter how many times you recounted it. Keep crying about it losers... :laugh2:

Sorry Hawk, but Gore actually won FL. The recounts were stopped short to prevent the state law from being enforced.

Gore would have won by a wide margin if the recounts had been concluded.

Recounts were conducted after the election that proved that.

[loosecannon]

How many recounts did you want? Gore lost every one to that point. In fact it was Gore who started the process that ended up being brought to the SC, Gore was simply put.....a poor fucking loser.


Wrong on both counts. The SC case was named Bush v. Gore which indicates that Bush appealed to the SC for a ruling.

Bush lost the election in FL. Deal with it.

[OCA]

Wrong on both counts. The SC case was named Bush v. Gore which indicates that Bush appealed to the SC for a ruling.

Bush lost the election in FL. Deal with it.

Provide proof of a Gore victory or shut the fuck up.

[avatar4321]

I don't hate Bush at all. I think he makes poor choices and surrounds himself with those who give him poor advice. I also believe he has delusions of grandeur that cloud his decision making process.

Yeah most people without hate dont joke around about murdering someone they dont hate.

[avatar4321]

Surely you jest?
Interest rates were reduced to almost nothing to prevent an economic collapse. We are now seeing skyrocketing foreclosures erasing those gains.


If interest rates are at almost nothing why would you see skyrocketing foreclosures? Seriously if you can get away with buying a place with little or no interest, then you have to be freaking stupid to default and foreclose. That has little to do with the President but irresponsible people.

We have a strong economy and low unemployment. If people make poor financial decisions with such great opportunity can you hold anyone other than the person making the decisions responsible?

Of course, thats all assuming your projections are accurate. Which of course there is little evidence of.

[Birdzeye]

Foreclosures, mortgage delinquencies climb
Catherine Reagor
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 13, 2007 05:44 PM

The number of Valley residents who lost their home to foreclosure spiked more than tenfold in the past year as more and more homeowners fell behind on their mortgages.

The problem may soon get worse. Mortgage delinquencies hit a four-year high last month.

Slower homes sales, dips in housing appreciation and homeowners unable to keep up with rising subprime mortgage payments are all behind the jump in foreclosures. advertisement


The Valley's housing market could take a hit if lenders try to resell foreclosed homes quickly by cutting prices. Too many foreclosures in one neighborhood can pull the area's home values down. Other parts of the country, like Atlanta, Chicago and many parts of Florida, are already experiencing bigger housing downturns because of foreclosures.


http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/0413foreclosures0414.html

This could hurt homeowners who do keep up with their mortgage payments as well, when they try to sell their homes.

[typomaniac]

Provide proof of a Gore victory or shut the fuck up.Provide proof that the FL election wasn't rigged or shut the fuck up.
:pee:

[OCA]

Provide proof that the FL election wasn't rigged or shut the fuck up.
:pee:


Rigged? The precincts in question were Demo precincts, its not our fault you guys are to fucking illiterate to punch a chad.

RIGGED! ROTFLMFAO! What a douchebag! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[typomaniac]

Rigged? The precincts in question were Demo precincts, its not our fault you guys are to fucking illiterate to punch a chad.

RIGGED! ROTFLMFAO! What a douchebag! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:Personally, I think "to fucking illiterate" is way funnier.

:dance:

[OCA]

Personally, I think "to fucking illiterate" is way funnier.

:dance:


Ooooh, missing an o, wow I must be illiterate! Got anything else, maybe some proof of Florida rigging? Ohio?

Tinfoil.

Troll.

[darin]

Provide proof that the FL election wasn't rigged or shut the fuck up.
:pee:

LMAO - Provide Proof something WASNT rigged? lmao :) :death: :gay: :gay: :fart:

[OCA]

LMAO - Provide Proof something WASNT rigged? lmao :) :death: :gay: :gay: :fart:

Exactly, this person is an idiot.

[typomaniac]

Ooooh, missing an o, wow I must be illiterate! Got anything else, maybe some proof of Florida rigging? Ohio?

Tinfoil.

Troll.From one who does nothing but trolling. Cute.

[typomaniac]

LMAO - Provide Proof something WASNT rigged? lmao :) :death: :gay: :gay: :fart:Are you sure you're a moderator?

Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah poo-poooooh... :rolleyes:

[OCA]

From one who does nothing but trolling. Cute.

Ooooh, nice mischaracterization. Florida? Ohio? Got anything for us? Come on just once, provide us with some of your dazzling debate skills. LMFAO!

[avatar4321]

Brilliant defense there dp staff koolaide.

Whatsamatter? Can't figure out how to defend against Bush's lies? What kind of liar lover are you?

That's just it. The burden of proof isnt on any of us. You havent established that Bush has lied about squat. The burden of proof is on you until you do.

Contrary to the popular liberal belief, simply repeating "Bush lied" a million times, doesnt make it fact.

[OCA]

Are you sure you're a moderator?

Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah poo-poooooh... :rolleyes:


ROTFLMFAO! The old I don't have anything so i'll attack your staff position line.......ahh the lib, God bless them!

[typomaniac]

Ooooh, nice mischaracterization. Florida? Ohio? Got anything for us? Come on just once, provide us with some of your dazzling debate skills. LMFAO!I've had more meaningful discussions here in 2 weeks than you've ever had. Go search the posts and find them yourself. If you're too lazy to do that, tough.

[darin]

Are you sure you're a moderator?

Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah poo-poooooh... :rolleyes:

I'm an Admin...not a moderator.

[OCA]

I've had more meaningful discussions here in 2 weeks than you've ever had. Go search the posts and find them yourself. If you're too lazy to do that, tough.

Already did that, didn't see shit but one liners and trolling. No shit, seriously, one liners and trolling, its your legacy.

You see I paid my dues here and at the old board, research my archives here at www.usmessageboard.com, basically i've earned the right to "freewheel" a little factual debating, a little flaming......this is the life of a hall of famer.

One day you could get there, doubtful but possible still.

[lily]

Cracks me up that people think the Constitution is a suicide pact. Cracks me up that people think the government was listening in on their calls to Dominoes when they got a large sausage and onion.


Don't fuck with known terrorists or have ties to terrorists and you have zero to worry about.

Cracks me up when we were told that first it was just overseas calls and they weren't data mining, then we find out that........well.....yeah......but....doesn't have anything to do with terrorists, but well we just wanna

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm


BTW Roosevelt surveiled all German-Americans and interned all Japanese during WWII, that is the worst abuse of the constitution ever in American history although I agree with his motives.....but if you guys want to be technical...........................

One of the darkest periods in American history.

[typomaniac]

Already did that, didn't see shit but one liners and trolling. No shit, seriously, one liners and trolling, its your legacy.Nice mischaracterization. How's that for a one liner?

[avatar4321]

That is because he wasn't elected. He was selected in a 5-4 decision which vilated the constitutional premise that elections are remanded to the states.

The US SC "over ruled" the FL SC decision to allow the recount to continue.

Clear violation of the law.

This is exactly why Democrats hate Bush. Because they are incredibly sore losers and count handle the fact that the state DID decide the election. The Florida Supreme Court completely through out State law to permit the illegal fourth recount to begin with.

Never mind the fact that Al Gore did not win any ballot count, not even the ones done by the media after the fact.

Never mind the fact that Democrats delibrately tried to steal the election for Gore.

No of course not.

Stop trying to blame Bush and just come to terms that the American people didnt want your guys in power.

[darin]

This is exactly why Democrats hate Bush. Because they are incredibly sore losers and count handle the fact that the state DID decide the election. The Florida Supreme Court completely through out State law to permit the illegal fourth recount to begin with.

Never mind the fact that Al Gore did not win any ballot count, not even the ones done by the media after the fact.

Never mind the fact that Democrats delibrately tried to steal the election for Gore.

No of course not.

Stop trying to blame Bush and just come to terms that the American people didnt want your guys in power.

VERY well-said.

[avatar4321]

Sorry Hawk, but Gore actually won FL. The recounts were stopped short to prevent the state law from being enforced.

Gore would have won by a wide margin if the recounts had been concluded.

Recounts were conducted after the election that proved that.

No they didnt. In fact the recounts clearly showed that Gore would have lost. And they were done by the liberal media members using Gore's counting techniques!

The state law was enforce. That was Katherine Harris's job. And she was villified by the left for enforcing it.

Face it you guys tried to cheat and you got caught. Just grow up and get over it.

[typomaniac]

Stop trying to blame Bush and just come to terms that the American people didnt want your guys in power.45% of eligible voters (who weren't illegally purged from the rolls) are not the American people.

[avatar4321]

Wrong on both counts. The SC case was named Bush v. Gore which indicates that Bush appealed to the SC for a ruling.

Bush lost the election in FL. Deal with it.

Yeah of course Bush appealed to the Supreme Court from a court proceeding started by Al Gore.

Gore never won a single recount. Not even the ones after the fact. This is undisputed.

[avatar4321]

I've had more meaningful discussions here in 2 weeks than you've ever had. Go search the posts and find them yourself. If you're too lazy to do that, tough.

You've had a meaningful discussion? anywhere?

[avatar4321]

45% of eligible voters (who weren't illegally purged from the rolls) are not the American people.

If you mean the military ballots Al Gore had thrown out, they were, but then we all know why Gore had them tossed...

[TheStripey1]

If interest rates are at almost nothing why would you see skyrocketing foreclosures?

You're seeing skyrocketing foreclosures because of the underhanded methods the banks used to get people that had no business trying to buy a house to buy a house.

Now, their tactics surely weren't ok'ed by bush, so he's not really to blame for the foreclosures, but he did help facilitate it by saying that everyone should have a home of their own.

When you give one of those Adjusted Rate Mortgages to someone who really can't afford it, what happens? When the Interest Only portion of the contract expires and the real rate kicks in, they'll be unable to afford the payment, they'll go into default, it'll be foreclosed and they will have lost what ever monies they put into it as well as their good credit...

the banks win... they get ALL the money AND the property...

[lily]

I'm an Admin...not a moderator.


You're joking, right? This is the example for all the rest of the posters here?? Cool!!!!!!! I've been waiting to throw civility out the door!:clap:

[darin]

You're joking, right? This is the example for all the rest of the posters here?? Cool!!!!!!! I've been waiting to throw civility out the door!:clap:

What the hell are you even talking about now?

[TheStripey1]

LMAO - Provide Proof something WASNT rigged? lmao :) :death: :gay: :gay: :fart:


You can't prove a negative... that's how bush got saddam on his wmd... and how the left skewered gonzo...

[manu1959]

You can't prove a negative... that's how bush got saddam on his wmd... and how the left skewered gonzo...

saddam was asked to prove he had disposed of the wmds the americans, french, russians, german, english and chinese sold him....funny the iraqis have records on everything but that....

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Of his Faith - pure and simple.. how do I know? Because if there wasn't an "easy hate target" in the form of the Iraq War, they'd still find something else to hate him for which is very ironic. Outside of the War, we have a President who has given us the following:

1. The lowest unempolyment in decades
2. Private Home ownership at an all time high
3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11
4. A job growth rate that dwarf's the Clinton era
5. Lower taxes - and not just for the "wealthy" - my wife and I have appreciated the tax breaks we've recieved over the past 7 years.

I don't hate your Boy George. But I do dislike him for

*his arrogant self-righteousness,
*his pompous attitude that he knows what's best for EVERYONE and no one else does,
*for acting as if he had a mandate to steer the country in the direction he has,
*for using his religion as a cudgle to beat anyone and everyone with that doesn't agree with him,
*for saying one thing and doing another more times than I can count,
*for emptying the treasury into the pockets of his rich buddies with nothing to show for it,
*for starting two wars that he cannot finish,
*for alienating most of our allies and creating new enemies at an unrivaled pace,
*for plunging us deeper into a debt he has no way or intention of paying,
*for putting 4 million people to work at lower paying jobs than the 22 million jobs that Clinton helped to create,
*for ignoring the Palestinian-Israel crisis until it blew up in his face,
*for ignoring North Korea while they worked on their bomb,
*for playing politics with our military,
*for privatizing their health care to their detriment not their benefit,
*for appointing cronies for jobs and bypassing qualified people,
*for increasing our committment to a war when the voters called for a decrease in that committment,
*being asleep at the wheel and allowing the 9/11 attacks to begin with,
*for circumventing our civil liberties in the name of security,
*for ignoring the law when it applies to him and badgering anyone who says differently,
*for being clueless to the plight of our nation's poor which has increased every year he has been president,
*for gutting our nation's environmental laws to benefit his big business buddies,
*for ignoring global warming,
*for ignoring our growing health care crisis,
*for not implementing the 9/11 Commission's recommendations,
*for allowing torture in the name of the United States,
*for keeping secret prisons to illegally imprison people,
*for gutting habeas corpus,
*for holding prisoners for years without trial,
*for a couple of hundred other things that I could write about as if you could answer the charges I have already laid down.

No hatred, pal. Plenty of disappointment, despair, and unhappiness over a job poorly done but I save my hatred for certain people and he's not yet worthy.

[OCA]

45% of eligible voters (who weren't illegally purged from the rolls) are not the American people.

Care to back up that illegally purged statement?

[Kathianne]

I don't hate your Boy George. But I do dislike him for

*his arrogant self-righteousness,
*his pompous attitude that he knows what's best for EVERYONE and no one else does,
*for acting as if he had a mandate to steer the country in the direction he has,
*for using his religion as a cudgle to beat anyone and everyone with that doesn't agree with him,
*for saying one thing and doing another more times than I can count,
*for emptying the treasury into the pockets of his rich buddies with nothing to show for it,
*for starting two wars that he cannot finish,
*for alienating most of our allies and creating new enemies at an unrivaled pace,
*for plunging us deeper into a debt he has no way or intention of paying,
*for putting 4 million people to work at lower paying jobs than the 22 million jobs that Clinton helped to create,
*for ignoring the Palestinian-Israel crisis until it blew up in his face,
*for ignoring North Korea while they worked on their bomb,
*for playing politics with our military,
*for privatizing their health care to their detriment not their benefit,
*for appointing cronies for jobs and bypassing qualified people,
*for increasing our committment to a war when the voters called for a decrease in that committment,
*being asleep at the wheel and allowing the 9/11 attacks to begin with,
*for circumventing our civil liberties in the name of security,
*for ignoring the law when it applies to him and badgering anyone who says differently,
*for being clueless to the plight of our nation's poor which has increased every year he has been president,
*for gutting our nation's environmental laws to benefit his big business buddies,
*for ignoring global warming,
*for ignoring our growing health care crisis,
*for not implementing the 9/11 Commission's recommendations,
*for allowing torture in the name of the United States,
*for keeping secret prisons to illegally imprison people,
*for gutting habeas corpus,
*for holding prisoners for years without trial,
*for a couple of hundred other things that I could write about as if you could answer the charges I have already laid down.

No hatred, pal. Plenty of disappointment, despair, and unhappiness over a job poorly done but I save my hatred for certain people and he's not yet worthy.

And you voted for him, then he did the above? Or he did what he campaigned on and you didn't vote for him and still don't like what he did?

There are plenty of things he's done to disappoint me, but they aren't on your list. I voted for him and am disappointed with the administration, but the surprises were not what you listed.

[typomaniac]

Care to back up that illegally purged statement?Google the news articles from the keywords "Florida+2000+election+felon." You'll find lots of material on the large numbers of perfectly legitimate voters turned away from the polls for being "mistakenly" identified in the records as convicted felons.

Too bad brother Jeb and Katherine aren't burning in hell yet. :(

[OCA]

Google the news articles from the keywords "Florida+2000+election+felon." You'll find lots of material on the large numbers of perfectly legitimate voters turned away from the polls for being "mistakenly" identified in the records as convicted felons.

Too bad brother Jeb and Katherine aren't burning in hell yet. :(

As your lib brother says "if you can't cut and paste it here it don't exist", i'm not doing your heavy lifting for you.

Oh and BTW, i'm sure that was statewide or was it in Palm Beach County etc. etc. Demo strongholds? If so you guys have only yourselves to blame, you run shit there, maybe thats why it is so fucked up:laugh2:

[OCA]

Oh and how about the overseas military vote you guys wanted thrown out? Care to comment on that or do they not have the right to vote?

[MtnBiker]

http://www.jokeawhenever.com/archive/media/pictures/Tennessee.jpg

[OCA]

http://www.jokeawhenever.com/archive/media/pictures/Tennessee.jpg


I always love that one! The fuckwad Gore couldn't even carry his home state, he was and is a total loser.

[gabosaurus]

There are other reasons not to like Bush.

http://www.oldamericancentury.com/warchest.jpg

[OCA]

There are other reasons not to like Bush.

http://www.oldamericancentury.com/warchest.jpg

Yes, he is cutting domestic programs and entitlements, that is a good thing!

Jealousy will get you nowhere honey, let go of it.

[gabosaurus]

http://www.shodor.org/talks/NCSI2003/clueless.jpg

[loosecannon]

the state DID decide the election. The Florida Supreme Court completely through out State law to permit the illegal fourth recount to begin with.

Absolutely horseshit, FL is a republican state with a repub elections commissioner and guv. They didn't even finish the first recount before Bush appealed to the USSC to stop the recount.


Never mind the fact that Al Gore did not win any ballot count, not even the ones done by the media after the fact.

You wanna bet a WHOOOOOOLE lotta money on this point?

Gore won the after the fact recounts hands done, AND there is more, much more.

Gore won FL hands down. Not even close.

[loosecannon]

Provide proof of a Gore victory or shut the fuck up.


Shut the fuck up.

I will provide ample proof once i organize some kind of benefit for proving you wrong.

Got any extra money? Got anything else you wanna bet like a one month vacation from the board?

[avatar4321]

Google the news articles from the keywords "Florida+2000+election+felon." You'll find lots of material on the large numbers of perfectly legitimate voters turned away from the polls for being "mistakenly" identified in the records as convicted felons.

Too bad brother Jeb and Katherine aren't burning in hell yet. :(

I doubt they ever will be. But id be careful if i were you. We tend to recieve what we wish on others.

[avatar4321]

Absolutely horseshit, FL is a republican state with a repub elections commissioner and guv. They didn't even finish the first recount before Bush appealed to the USSC to stop the recount.



You wanna bet a WHOOOOOOLE lotta money on this point?

Gore won the after the fact recounts hands done, AND there is more, much more.

Gore won FL hands down. Not even close.

That is a bunch of bull crap and you know it. The Supreme Court stopped the Third recount. Its documented fact. The First and second recounts were done well before the day Katherine Harris was required to certify. It was after the first THREE counts came out for Bush that Al Gore proposed his very liberal hand recount of Democrat counties where he would use completely unorthodox methods of counting. And he even lost that one!

[Joe Schmoe]

I hate Bush because he made torture government policy.

[Mr. P]

I hate Bush because he made torture government policy.

That policy must be written then, lets see it. :link:

[Baron Von Esslingen]

It's written in the court documents of the people convicted of torture at Abu Ghraib.

It's written in Alberto Gonzales' AG opinion that the Geneva Conventions do not cover these sorts of detainees and how those accords are "Quaint."

It's written in the CIA handbook that gives them the authority to conduct interrogations and run secret prisons.

And here's your link. (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1348)

[Mr. P]

It's written in the court documents of the people convicted of torture at Abu Ghraib.

It's written in Alberto Gonzales' AG opinion that the Geneva Conventions do not cover these sorts of detainees and how those accords are "Quaint."

It's written in the CIA handbook that gives them the authority to conduct interrogations and run secret prisons.

And here's your link. (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1348)

Yeah I like the first sentence where it says "suggest that the president".

What's his name claims it's policy..I guess you agree. Go fish it ain't policy.

[loosecannon]

That is a bunch of bull crap and you know it. The Supreme Court stopped the Third recount. Its documented fact. The First and second recounts were done well before the day Katherine Harris was required to certify. It was after the first THREE counts came out for Bush that Al Gore proposed his very liberal hand recount of Democrat counties where he would use completely unorthodox methods of counting. And he even lost that one!


http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter2005/features/battlefield.html

Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

One of the most interesting points you make in the book is that the focus on undervotes (ballots containing no vote for president)—the hanging, dimpled and otherwise pregnant chads—was misplaced. Instead, you explain that a study by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, which looked at all the ballots that were initially rejected on election night 2000, revealed a surprise: most of these uncounted votes were in fact discarded because they were over-votes, instances of two votes for president on one ballot. What do you think the NORC study tells us about the election?

LdHS: It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000.

One of the things I found that hadn’t been reported anywhere is, if you look at where those votes occurred, they were in predominantly black precincts. And (when you look at) the history of black voting in Florida, these are people that have been disenfranchised, intimidated. In the history of the early 20th century, black votes would be thrown out on technicalities, like they would use an X instead of a check mark.

So you can understand why African Americans would be so careful, checking off Gore’s name on the list of candidates and also writing Gore’s name in the space for write-in votes. But because of the way the vote-counting machines work, this had the opposite effect: the machines threw out their ballots.

you repeat that Florida’s election law—especially the rule that no vote “shall be declared invalid or void if there is a clear indication of the intent of the vote”—is in fact much more straightforward than was made out during the controversy. So then, who do you fault the most for making it all seem so murky?

LdHS: I would say [then-Secretary of State] Katherine Harris in terms of murky—in terms of what the law intended and what it meant. There was a contradiction in the law. What it said was you have to get the recount done within a very short time, and it just wasn’t possible. But that’s not uncommon. You just have to interpret it with common sense.

Part of what was going on was the stakes were really high; the people involved were very inexperienced; Harris didn’t know [Attorney General Bob] Butterworth; they were not cordial. But if it had been a group of leaders who had been around for a while, they would have sat down and easily said, “Well, here’s a way to resolve this problem.” But that wasn’t the aim of the people involved. The aim was from the beginning to stop the recount.

[manu1959]

if you are winning but quit do you still win?

[avatar4321]

It's written in the court documents of the people convicted of torture at Abu Ghraib.

It's written in Alberto Gonzales' AG opinion that the Geneva Conventions do not cover these sorts of detainees and how those accords are "Quaint."

It's written in the CIA handbook that gives them the authority to conduct interrogations and run secret prisons.

And here's your link. (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1348)

Your assertions are completely ludicrous. If the administrations policy included torture why did people get convicted of torture at Abu Ghraib? And more to the point, why does anything those people did qualify as torture?

so interrogating prisoners is torture now? Not announcing where they are placed is torture now?

And Gonzales is right, the Geneva conventions dont cover these detainees. That suddenly means the President is engaged in a policy of torture?

Not a single point you just made in anyway supports your conclusion of a policy of torture. Quite the opposite.

[avatar4321]

http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter2005/features/battlefield.html

Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

One of the most interesting points you make in the book is that the focus on undervotes (ballots containing no vote for president)—the hanging, dimpled and otherwise pregnant chads—was misplaced. Instead, you explain that a study by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, which looked at all the ballots that were initially rejected on election night 2000, revealed a surprise: most of these uncounted votes were in fact discarded because they were over-votes, instances of two votes for president on one ballot. What do you think the NORC study tells us about the election?

LdHS: It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000.

One of the things I found that hadn’t been reported anywhere is, if you look at where those votes occurred, they were in predominantly black precincts. And (when you look at) the history of black voting in Florida, these are people that have been disenfranchised, intimidated. In the history of the early 20th century, black votes would be thrown out on technicalities, like they would use an X instead of a check mark.

So you can understand why African Americans would be so careful, checking off Gore’s name on the list of candidates and also writing Gore’s name in the space for write-in votes. But because of the way the vote-counting machines work, this had the opposite effect: the machines threw out their ballots.

you repeat that Florida’s election law—especially the rule that no vote “shall be declared invalid or void if there is a clear indication of the intent of the vote”—is in fact much more straightforward than was made out during the controversy. So then, who do you fault the most for making it all seem so murky?

LdHS: I would say [then-Secretary of State] Katherine Harris in terms of murky—in terms of what the law intended and what it meant. There was a contradiction in the law. What it said was you have to get the recount done within a very short time, and it just wasn’t possible. But that’s not uncommon. You just have to interpret it with common sense.

Part of what was going on was the stakes were really high; the people involved were very inexperienced; Harris didn’t know [Attorney General Bob] Butterworth; they were not cordial. But if it had been a group of leaders who had been around for a while, they would have sat down and easily said, “Well, here’s a way to resolve this problem.” But that wasn’t the aim of the people involved. The aim was from the beginning to stop the recount.

And you seem to think this source is at credible why? Because it supports your absurd conclusions?

Hello?! We all lived through the 2000 election. We watched the news. Bush won the first three counts of the votes. The fourth one was stopped. Al Gore did not win a single count. Not even the ones the media did using his liberal counting standards after the fact.

Katherine Harris had a legal responsibility to certify the result of the first three counts by date required by the law. Apparently counting the vote 3 times wasnt enough because Al Gore didn't win, so he sued to recount again and to throw out the military vote.

You can pretend otherwise, but we all lived through it and you honestly think you can post cites with absolutely no credibility and which makes no real attempt to back up their statements and can change history?

[OCA]

I hate Bush because he made torture government policy.


ROTFLMFAO!:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[OCA]

It's written in the court documents of the people convicted of torture at Abu Ghraib.

It's written in Alberto Gonzales' AG opinion that the Geneva Conventions do not cover these sorts of detainees and how those accords are "Quaint."

It's written in the CIA handbook that gives them the authority to conduct interrogations and run secret prisons.

And here's your link. (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1348)

The people at Abu Ghraib did a hell of a job, God bless them.

If you were imprisoned at Abu Ghraib you were an insurgent or had insurgent ties, plain and simple, at least we didn't cut heads off.

To libs terrorists and insurgents deserve more leeway than American soldiers.

[Abbey Marie]

The fact that President Bush beat Gore after three counts is the real inconvenient truth.

[MtnBiker]

:lol:

[OCA]

You will notice that in this study the only way Gore could have won was by counting disqualified ballots, is it our fault y'all can't punch a chad or that Blacks punched a chad and also wrote in the name of the person in the write-in section? Dems run all of these precincts yet blame everyone else for their fuck up. All official recounts using legitimate ballots were won by George W Bush, suck on that libs!

The Florida election recount of 2000 was a period of vote re-counting that occurred following the unclear results of the 2000 US presidential election, specifically the Florida results.

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major U.S. news organizations, conducted a Florida Ballot Project comprehensive review of all ballots uncounted (by machine) in the Florida 2000 presidential election, both undervotes and overvotes, with the main research aim being to report how different ballot layouts correlate with voter mistakes.

The media companies involved were:

Associated Press
The New York Times
The Wall Street Journal
CNN
St. Petersburg Times
The Palm Beach Post
The Washington Post
Tribune Company
Los Angeles Times
Chicago Tribune
Orlando Sentinel
The Baltimore Sun
Although the NORC study was not primarily intended as a determination of which candidate "really won", analysis of the results, given the hand counting of machine-uncountable ballots due to various types of voter error, indicated that they would lead to differing results, reported in the newspapers which funded the recount, such as The Miami Herald (The Miami Herald Report: Democracy Held Hostage) or the Washington Post [1].

The findings were reported by the media during the week after November 12, 2001.

All of the various county-by-county recounts had been requested by Gore or Bush. Neither Candidate had formally requested a total statewide recount.

The recount also showed that the only way that Al Gore could have tallied more votes was by using counting methods that were never requested, but that may have been applied if the USSC-mandated standards had been implemented, and which included "overvotes" — spoiled ballots containing more than one vote for an office. This means that, based on the recount, it appears highly likely that more people voted for Al Gore than for George Bush in Florida. While some of these ballots recorded votes for two separate candidates, a significant number (20% in Lake County, for example) were cases of a voter voting for a candidate and then also writing in that same candidate's name on the write-in line. A judge supervising the recount told the Orlando Sentinel that he had been open to the idea of examining the overvotes, and had been planning to discuss the matter at a hearing when the US Supreme Court stopped the recount. [2]

Candidate Outcomes Based on Potential Recounts in Florida Presidential Election 2000
(outcome of one particular study)
Review Method Winner
Review of All Ballots Statewide (never undertaken)
• Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey Gore by 171
• Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots Gore by 115
• Any dimples or optical mark Gore by 107
• One corner of chad detached or optical mark Gore by 60
Review of Limited Sets of Ballots (initiated but not completed)
• Gore request for recounts of all ballots in Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia counties Bush by 225
• Florida Supreme Court of all undervotes statewide Bush by 430
• Florida Supreme Court as being implemented by the counties, some of whom refused and some counted overvotes as well as undervotes Bush by 493
Unofficial recount totals
• Incomplete result when the Supreme Court stayed the recount (December 9, 2000) Bush by 154
Certified Result (official final count)
• Recounts included from Volusia and Broward only Bush by 537


According to the NY Times, the Palm Beach County Butterfly ballot cost Gore a net 6286 votes, and the Duval County 2 page ballot cost him a net 1999 votes, each of which would have made the difference by itself [3].

[OCA]

You will notice that Al Gore initiated the chaos that was Florida 2000


The postelection events day by day

SUNDAY, NOV. 12


2 a.m. Chaos. A sample recount turns up 19 more votes for Gore. The Palm Beach County Canvassing Board votes 2 to 1 for a full recount of all 460,000 ballots. A manual recount of all ballots, says County Commissioner Carol Roberts, “clearly would affect the results of the national election.”

10:06 a.m. Volusia County officials begin a manual recount of all 184,018 ballots. County lawyers move quickly to fight a 5 p.m. Tuesday deadline.

MONDAY, NOV. 13


9 a.m. Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris orders all counties to finish their recounts by the 5 p.m. Tuesday deadline.

10 a.m. Volusia County sues to extend certification deadline. Lawyers for Palm Beach County, Gore campaign join suit. Bush lawyers join Florida to block extension.

1 p.m. U.S. District Judge Donald Middlebrooks in Miami rejects Bush’s attempt to stop manual recounts in Florida.

2-3 p.m. Harris issues legal opinion on Palm Beach recount conflicting with one Tuesday by Attorney General Butterworth.

4 p.m. Gore appears on television, says it’s important to “spend the days necessary” to determine the winner.

7-8 p.m. A hand recount of 4,000 ballots in Broward County finds no big problems. County rejects full recount. Dem ocrats vow to appeal.

TUESDAY, NOV. 14


8:15 a.m. Palm Beach County votes 2 to 1 to suspend its hand recount of all ballots after conflicting legal opinions.

11 a.m. James Baker proposes that Democrats drop their lawsuits and accept the state tally as of 5 p.m., including any hand counts in by then, and await the overseas absentee ballots. Warren Christopher declines: “That’s like offering you the sleeves from your vest.”

11:30 a.m. Miami election officials decide to hand count a sample of precincts, later deciding against a full recount.

1 p.m. In Tallahassee, Judge Terry Lewis says the 5 p.m. deadline for certifying vote totals should stand but says counties can file supplemental or corrected totals later. Harris can ignore these, Lewis orders, only if she uses “proper exercise of discretion.” Officials in Volusia Countyjoined later by Broward and Palm Beach counties move to appeal Lewis’s ruling.

3:30 p.m. Broward Circuit Judge John Miller allows the county to go ahead with a manual recount of all ballots cast throughout the county.

4:30 p.m. Palm Beach decides to submit its machine-counted results to the state and to proceed with a manual recount of all ballots Wednesday.

5 p.m. The deadline arrives for counties to certify and report their election returns to the secretary of state’s office.

7:37 p.m. Harris issues vote totals as of 5 p.m. Bush holds a 300-vote margin, which is considerably less than the 1,784-vote margin he had immediately after the election. Harris says she will comply with Judge Lewis’s order to consider late returns. She gives two heavily Democratic counties until 2 p.m. Wednesday to explain, in writing, why they want to add hand recounts after the 5 p.m. deadline.

WEDNESDAY, NOV. 15


8 a.m. Harris asks the Florida Supreme Court to make counties stop hand-counting ballots “pending resolution as to whether any basis exists to modify the certified results” after Tuesday’s deadline. She seeks consolidation of all election lawsuits in Tallahassee.

10-11 a.m. The Florida Supreme Court accepts a request from Palm Beach County to rule on whether it can continue to hand count ballots despite conflicting legal opinions.

11:30 a.m. Palm Beach Circuit Judge Jorge Labarga rules that county election officials can’t discard ballots with “dimpled chads,” ballots indented but not perforated. Democrats had challenged policy of discarding such ballots.

2 p.m. Harris receives letters from the three counties still hand-counting ballots, explaining reasons for delay. In Atlanta, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals agrees to hear Bush appeal of a suit to halt manual recounts.

3:40 p.m. Broward County officials begin counting nearly 600,000 ballots by hand.

5 p.m. The Florida Supreme Court denies Harris’s petition to stop hand counts and orders further testimony from Palm Beach lawyers Thursday morning.

6:36 p.m. Gore proposes completion of hand counts in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties and asks that those results and the overseas absentees be added to the election tally. If that is done, he vows, he will not challenge the results in court. He also suggests a manual recount of all 67 Florida counties and proposes that he and Bush meet.

9:14 p.m. Harris says she has reviewed letters from the hand-counting counties and found their reasons for delay insufficient. She will not include their manual tallies in her final election results.

10:25 p.m. Bush rejects Gore’s offer. “The outcome of this election,” he says, “will not be the result of deals or efforts to mold public opinion.”

THURSDAY, NOV. 16


Early morning. Bush lawyers file papers with the federal appeals court in Atlanta, arguing that hand recounts are unconstitutional.

12:45 p.m. Gore lawyers ask Judge Lewis to require Harris to include ballots being hand-counted after the Tuesday deadline. Harris acted arbitrarily, the lawyers argue, when she refused to include them. Gore lawyer Dexter Douglass: “She says, ‘You can only have a hand count in case of mechanical failure or hurricane.’ And the attorney general said that’s a bunch of bunk.”

3 p.m. The Florida Supreme Court rules unanimously: Counties still conducting manual recounts of ballots may continue. The one-paragraph order does not say if those votes can be added to Florida’s final tally. Palm Beach County resumes hand counting ballots. Broward elections officials follow suit.

FRIDAY, NOV. 17


8 a.m. Amid disputes, hand counting resumes in Palm Beach and Broward counties.

9:30 a.m. In the case of the fateful Palm Beach “butterfly” ballot, Judge Labarga agonizes over whether if he determines it is illegal, he could actually call for a revote. He says he’ll rule Monday.

10:04 a.m. Leon County Judge Lewis rules that Florida law gives Harris “broad discretionary authority to accept or reject late-filed returns.” Harris then issues a statement hinting she is poised to certify the election when the absentee ballots are in by noon Saturday.

11:04 a.m. Baker issues a terse statement, saying he has spoken to Bush and running mate Dick Cheney: “They are understandably pleased. The rule of law has prevailed.”

12:45 p.m. Gore lawyers Christopher and David Boies caution against premature “partying” and say they’re taking Lewis’s ruling to the Florida Supreme Court.

2 p.m. Absentee ballots trickle in, adding to Bush’s total.

5 p.m. In a major blow to Bush, the high court halts Harris from certifying the vote and says pointedly “it is NOT the intent of this order to stop the counting.”

6:08 p.m. The federal appeals court in Atlanta denies for now Bush’s plea that manual recounts are unconstitutional.

SUNDAY, NOV. 19



Before 10 a.m. A court ruling kicks off the week. Republicans wanted to halt Miami-Dade's recount. They argue that sorting by machine to find questionable ballots would damage them (presumably in Al Gore's favor). A judge disagrees. Sorting begins.


10:30 a.m. Joe Lieberman tells Face the Nation that every last dimple should be counted or millions will say, "We were robbed."


12:36 p.m. All absentee ballots are in, say George Bush's attorneys, who ask Florida's Supreme Court to instruct the state to just name a winner.


MONDAY, NOV. 20



8 a.m. Miami-Dade County begins its (short-lived) manual recount. Broward and Palm Beach counties continue theirs.


10:46 a.m. Palm Beach Circuit Court Judge Jorge Labarga rejects a Democratic petition asking for a county re-vote because its "butterfly" ballot was baffling. Labarga says he "lacks authority" under the U.S. Constitution to call a new election.


2 p.m. Bush and Gore lawyers head to the Florida Supreme Court. At issue: Should election results have been certified on November 14?


3:30 p.m. Democratic state attorney general, Robert Butterworth, says that overseas ballots, running roughly 2 to 1 for Bush, should count even if they bear no postmark.


5 p.m. The Florida farrago is too much for Jane Carroll, Broward County's sole Republican election supervisor. "It's like having Election Day for 10 days in a row," she says. "I need to get out of here." She resigns.


TUESDAY, NOV. 21



8 a.m. Another day of counting in Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward (where Circuit Court Judge Robert Rosenberg replaces Jane Carroll on the canvassing board).


10:15 a.m. "I'm not going to manage the minutiae of each ballot being counted," decides Florida Circuit Judge David Tobin. He refuses Republican requests to set "an objective" standard for ballot review and to authorize a garbage-can search for missing chads.


2:05 p.m. The war over absentee ballots rages on. The Republicans deputize WW II veteran Bob Dole to demand inclusion. The Democrats' military man is Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Vietnam vet. He flies to Florida to preach the Gore gospel, though he concedes, "[Gore] understands that he may be the loser in Florida."


Afternoon Bush attorneys file a legal brief with Florida's Supreme Court, arguing that the justices are "without power" to figure out which ballots should or should not be tallied.


9:45 p.m. The manual recount must count. That's the word from the Florida Supreme Court. The justices give the three counties until 5 p.m. on Sunday, Nov. 26, to send in the amended results. The ruling catches Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris by surprise (her staff gets the 42-page decision off the Internet) and blocks her from certifying the election for Bush.


11:02 p.m. Gore welcomes Florida Supreme Court ruling, saying that he and Bush should both "focus on the transition," in case a winner is declared.


WEDNESDAY, NOV. 22



3:30 a.m. Chest pains awaken Dick Cheney, who heads to the hospital. Heart attack? Doctors say no, then revise their diagnosis to a "very slight" one.


9 a.m. Sunday counting deadline looms. Miami-Dade election officials vote to recount only 10,750 "undervotes"–ballots missing a presidential choice.


11:30 a.m. Bush goes to court to force inclusion of hundreds of overseas ballots that lacked proper postmark or signature.


1 p.m. Gore loses a 157-vote gain when Miami-Dade opts to quit counting.


2:45 p.m. Bush OKs appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, charging Florida judges didn't have the right to order Harris to consider hand-counted votes.


4:33 p.m. Palm Beach opts to examine "dimpled" ballots.


6 p.m. Florida State Appeals Court denies Dem bid to force Miami to start counting again.


THURSDAY, NOV. 23



9 a.m. Broward County election officials forgo or delay their holiday dinners to count ballots. Upset by reports of allegedly lax standards in deeming a dimple a vote, Broward GOP chairman Ed Pozzuoli says: "Someone is trying to steal my Thanksgiving turkey."


10:15 a.m. "Voters had their votes inexplicably erased," say Gore lawyers, who file emergency petition with the Florida Supreme Court to reverse Miami-Dade's decision to halt the recount.


Morning. Lieberman speaks to a hospitalized Cheney, wishing him a speedy recovery.


Mealtime. The Bushes dine at the home of unidentified friends. Laura Bush brings green salad with apples and walnuts, gravy, and a roasted turkey breast. Tipper Gore cooks dinner, served at the vice presidential residence. Broward County's stalwart vote counters settle for carryout pizza.


2:45 p.m. A setback for Gore. The seven judges on Florida's Supreme Court, scattered for the holiday, confer via fax and conference call and unanimously agree: Miami-Dade need not resume the recount.


Evening. The tug of war over the hand count goes on. Team Gore asks the U.S. Supreme Court to deny an earlier request from Team Bush to bar hand-counted presidential election ballots. Gore lawyers call Bush's request a "bald attempt to federalize a state court dispute."


FRIDAY, NOV. 24



8 a.m. Broward County, where Gore has picked up 245 votes so far, begins recording dimpled chads, following Palm Beach's lead.


Throughout the day Congressional Democrats are miffed by "Sore Loserman" signs brandished by Republican demonstrators outside canvassing boards. One Gore ally needs guards to exit the Broward County courthouse. Charging that the protests disrupt the recount effort, the Dems send a letter to the U.S. Justice Department asking for an investigation.


10: 50 a.m. Cheney comes home; promises doctors not to work all weekend.


3:10 p.m. The U.S. Supreme Court agrees to hear an appeal from Bush on contested hand recount. Arguments are set for December 1 at 10 a.m.


5:10 p.m. Republican leaders of the Florida Legislature join the Bush legal team's hand-recount lawsuit.


SATURDAY, NOV. 25



3:20 p.m. CNN says it will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to let TV cameras in for the Bush appeal since Americans are "eager to follow" the issue.


Afternoon. In warm, sunny Crawford, Texas, Bush relaxes at his ranch. In cold, rainy Washington, Bush backers demonstrate on the street across from Gore's residence. Summoned by E-mail, they outnumber pro-Gore group. Gore goes out for ice cream.


7 p.m. Bushites drop plans to call for a statewide review of questionable military ballots. Instead they sue for a re-evaluation in four Florida counties.


11:52 p.m. Broward finishes its count. Gore's net gain: 567 votes. Bush's statewide lead slips to 465.


SUNDAY, NOV. 26



4 a.m. Palm Beach's count-a-thon halts as Republican lawyers dispute the order in which precincts are evaluated. Dems dispute the GOP disputation. At 5 a.m., counting resumes.


9 a.m. Sen. Tom Daschle of South Dakota says he "truly" believes Gore won Florida. "I've talked with most of my colleagues . . .," says the Senate's leading Democrat on NBC's Meet the Press, "and there isn't any interest in conceding anything at this point."


Midmorning. Bush and Gore each go to church. Bush waves to reporters, says nothing. Gore sound bite: "Good morning."


11:30 a.m. "If George Bush is certified the winner at 5 or 6 o'clock tonight, I think the great majority of the American people will say, 'Enough is enough,' " predicts Bob Dole on ABC's This Week.


2:45 p.m. Palm Beach needs more time to count fewer than 2,000 questionable ballots; faxes request to Secretary of State Harris's office for extension to 9 a.m. Monday, instead of 5 p.m. Sunday. Harris says no.


7:30 p.m. Two and a half hours past the deadline, Harris officially certifies the count; the tally shows Bush ahead by 537 votes: 2,912,790 to 2,912,253.

MONDAY, NOV. 27



12:15 p.m. Like so much about the election, the week begins with the unprecedented: The Gore campaign files the first formal contest in the history of a presidential election, seeking to reverse the certified outcome of the Florida vote for George W. Bush. Gore attorneys challenge vote totals in three counties and ask a state judge in Tallahassee to order a hand count of some 13,000 ballots in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties that showed no votes for president during prior machine recounts. Simultaneously, the Gore legal team files an emergency motion to accelerate the contest proceedings.


12:52 p.m. In a show of Democratic support, Sen. Tom Daschle and Rep. Dick Gephardt hold a televised conference call with Gore and Joe Lieberman.


4:02 p.m. After the General Services Administration rebuffs Bush's attempt to take hold of the official presidential transition offices, Dick Cheney holds a press conference to announce that he and Bush will establish a privately funded office for transition planning.


8:55 p.m. Five minutes before the start of Monday Night Football, amid the flash of photographers' strobes, Gore delivers a nationally televised address defending his decision to contest the election. "Our Constitution matters more than convenience," he declares. All he is seeking, Gore says, is "a complete count of all the votes cast in Florida," noting that "many thousands of votes . . . have not yet been counted at all, not once."


TUESDAY, NOV. 28


11:27 a.m. The Groundhog Day election battle continues: Bush's lawyers file a motion objecting to Gore's request for an expedited trial.

1 p.m. A Republican-dominated committee hears testimony on whether the Florida Legislature should call a special session to appoint its own slate of electors. The Republicans fear that Gore, with help from Florida courts, might block Bush from winning Florida's electoral votes.

2:04 p.m. Gore strides out of the vice-presidential mansion and asks Bush not to"run out the clock" on further recounts. "This is not a time," Gore says, "for . . . procedural roadblocks."

10 p.m. In a blow to Gore's quick-count strategy, Leon County Circuit Judge N. Sanders Sauls rejects Gore's request to begin a recount of 14,000 undervotes the next day. Sauls puts off a hearing on the proposed recounts until Saturday.

WEDNESDAY, NOV. 29


4:45 p.m. Judge Sauls hinders Gore's quest for a new tally by December 12; Sauls rules all 1.1 million Miami-Dade and Palm Beach ballots must reach Tallahassee before Saturday, not just the 14,000 undervotes.

4:46 p.m. Leon County Circuit Judge Nikki Ann Clark rejects a Republican request that she recuse herself from a suit brought by Orlando-area Democrat Harry Jacobs. He seeks to toss out all 15,000 absentee ballots in the Bush stronghold of Seminole County, claiming that county officials improperly allowed GOP operatives to add missing voter ID numbers on 2,100 Republican absentee ballot applications. Clark has set a December 6 trial date.

THURSDAY, NOV. 30


7:45 a.m. The spectacle continues. A banana-yellow Ryder rental truck, loaded with 462,000 ballots, commences its televised journey from West Palm Beach to Tallahassee. It's no white Ford Bronco, but . . . no matter.

9 a.m. The Gore camp asks the Florida Supreme Court for an immediate hand count of 14,000 disputed ballots. Delay, they say, will make it a "virtual impossibility" to resolve Gore's contest by the December 12 deadline.

11:45 a.m. A Republican-controlled Florida legislative panel votes to recommend convening a special session of the Florida Legislature to designate the state's 25 electors. The vote comes a day after Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's comment that it would be an "act of courage" to call a special session.

1:10 p.m. Joe Lieberman asks Jeb Bush and Florida lawmakers to reconsider their desire to appoint a substitute set of electors. "It threatens to put us into a constitutional crisis," Lieberman warns.

1:30 p.m. After three days without public comment, George W. Bush takes questions with Colin Powell and Dick Cheney outside his Crawford, Texas, ranch. Bush scoffs at the suggestion that he seems out of touch and says, "One of our strategies is to get this election ratified, and the sooner the better for the good of the country."

FRIDAY, DEC. 1


6 a.m. The ballot brigade resumes, with two rental vans containing 654,000 Miami-Dade punch card ballots setting off from Miami for a Tallahassee courthouse.

8:32 a.m. Inflaming the absentee ballot controversy, Democratic voters file suit to throw out 9,773 votes in Martin County, two thirds of which went to Bush. GOP officials there, like their counterparts in Seminole County, were allowed to add voter ID numbers to some Republican applications for absentee ballots. Judge Terry Lewis sets a trial for December 6, the same date as the Seminole County case.

10 a.m. As throngs of protesters gather outside, the U.S. Supreme Court convenes to hear Bush's historic challenge to the court-ordered hand recounts in Florida. The justices' questions suggest they are divided about the legality of the Florida Supreme Court's intervention. A few justices hint the case should be resolved in state court. "We're looking for a federal issue," says Justice Anthony Kennedy. Asks Justice Stephen Breyer: "What's the consequence of our going one way or the other now in this case?"

Around 1:45 p.m. Republican John McKay, president of the Florida Senate, hedges on calling a special session to pick the state's electors. He opts to mull the matter over the weekend.

4:40 p.m. In another setback for Gore, the Florida Supreme Court dismisses a petition to immediately start recounting more than 12,000 undervotes from Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties. Less than an hour later, Gore receives another hit when the state Supreme Court rules that Palm Beach County's "butterfly" ballot was legal.

Around 5:45 p.m. A federal appeals court says it will hear a case brought by Florida voters and the Bush campaign challenging the constitutionality of selected hand recounts. It schedules a hearing for December 5.


MONDAY, DEC. 4



11:42 a.m. The week begins inauspiciously for Al Gore: In a unanimous order, the U.S. Supreme Court sets aside the vice president's critical win in the Florida Supreme Court. The state court ruling had extended the deadline for verifying the Florida vote, enabling Gore to narrow Bush's lead by adding hand-recounted ballots to his tally. In an unsigned opinion, the justices in Washington remand the case to their Florida brethren, admonishing them that there is "considerable uncertainty" as to the precise grounds for their ruling.


4:15 p.m. George W. Bush says he is pleased that "the Supreme Court is going to make sure that the outcome of this election is fair." Bush declines to second Dick Cheney's call for Gore to concede.


4:43 p.m. Gore suffers a double judicial whammy. Leon County Circuit Court Judge N. Sanders Sauls rejects all of Gore's arguments in contesting the election results and his request for a count of more than 12,000 ballots in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties that registered no vote for president in machine recounts. Sauls declares from the bench that there is "no credible statistical evidence and no other competent substantial evidence" to establish a reasonable probability that Gore might win if granted a hand recount of the undervotes.


5:42 p.m. Gore's lead attorney, David Boies, announces he has appealed Sauls's ruling to the Florida Supreme Court. "What has happened today," Boies tells reporters, "is that we have moved one step closer to having this finally resolved." But in a momentary loss of spin control, Boies concedes, "They won, we lost."


TUESDAY, DEC. 5



12:32 p.m. If this is Tuesday, it must be . . . a Tallahassee courthouse. Spokesman Craig Waters announces that the Florida Supreme Court will hear Gore's appeal of Judge Sauls's ruling on Thursday.


2:52 p.m. As workers erect risers on nearby Pennsylvania Avenue for the inaugural, Gore declares from the White House driveway that he doesn't "feel anything other than optimistic" about his chances to win it all. Gore, who has declined to join lawsuits in Seminole and Martin counties, adds that it "doesn't seem fair to me" that GOP but not Democratic operatives in those counties were allowed to add and correct voter ID numbers on absentee ballot applications.


Around 7:30 p.m. Leon County Circuit Court Judge Nikki Clark denies a motion by the Bush camp to dismiss the Seminole County lawsuit. A Democratic activist there seeks to throw out 15,000 absentee ballots, most of them Bush votes, after a GOP aide filled in voter ID numbers on about 2,000 ballot applications.


WEDNESDAY, DEC. 6



7:00 a.m. Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis convenes a hearing in the Martin County lawsuit–in the courtroom next door to the Seminole County trial. Demo-crats in Martin County seek to invalidate 9,773 absentee ballots; as one trial recesses and the other begins, Bush lawyers shuttle back and forth between the two hearings. If the 25,000 absentee ballots in the two counties are thrown out, Bush loses more than 7,000 net votes–and the election.


11:00 a.m. After meeting with foreign-policy adviser Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush says he has "pretty well made up my mind" on whom to name to his White House staff. His transition team's slogan: "Bringing America Together."


2:22 p.m. MSNBC reports a federal appeals court in Atlanta has turned down Bush attorneys' request to throw out manual recounts in three Florida counties, saying they failed to show the selective recounts harmed Bush.


5:16 p.m. Florida Senate President John McKay and House Speaker Tom Feeney announce a special session of the Florida Legislature. It will convene Friday, they say, to consider designating its own slate of electors should the results of the Florida vote remain tied up in the courts. The last time a legislature chose electors was 1876. House Dem-ocratic Minority Leader Lois Frankel fumes that "it is just plain wrong for the Florida Legislature to elect the next president of the United States."


THURSDAY, DEC. 7



10 a.m. In the vice president's mansion, Al Gore and Joe Lieberman watch the Florida Supreme Court hearing on their appeal of Judge Sauls's ruling. In Austin, Texas, George W. Bush meets with lawmakers, and James Baker fills him in on the hearing afterward. Bush lawyer Barry Richard argues that there is no "evidence to show that any voter was denied the right to vote." He calls Gore's contest "a garden-variety appeal." Gore lawyer David Boies contends that while time is running out, "the ballots can be counted" before the December 12 deadline for naming electors.


12:26 p.m. Circuit Judge Terry Lewis says he will consult with fellow Leon County Judge Nikki Clark–and then rule by noon Friday in the Martin County absentee ballot case.


1 p.m. A federal court rules that Dick Cheney is a Wyoming resident–not a Texan–clearing the way for him to serve as Bush's vice president. The 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution bars electors from voting for two residents of their own state; Cheney owned a Dallas home from 1993 until last month.


7 p.m. The Gores and Liebermans double-date at a movie. The title: You Can Count on Me.


FRIDAY, DEC. 8



10:45 a.m. Bush says this may be the day "we'll finally see finality." But if the Florida Supreme Court rules against him, he will "take our case back to the [U.S.] Supreme Court."


Noon. The GOP-controlled Florida House and Senate convene a special session to ready their own slate of electors.


2:22 p.m. Judges Lewis and Clark reject the efforts of Democratic voters to throw out 25,000 absentee ballots in Seminole and Martin counties. News commentators begin discussing a Gore concession.


4:01 p.m. The Florida Supreme Court stuns observers, reversing Judge Sauls in a 4-3 decision. The justices go well beyond ordering recounts of 12,300 undervotes in Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties sought by Gore, directing instead that a manual recount of undervotes begin immediately in all counties where a hand count has not already occurred. The court also directs the lower court to add to Gore's tally 168 votes in Miami-Dade and 215 in Palm Beach from earlier hand counts excluded from the certified count. The added votes narrow Bush's statewide lead from 537 votes to just 154. Perhaps 45,000 undervotes statewide will have to be counted.


6:19 p.m. Bush adviser James Baker laments the Florida ruling, warning it could "disenfranchise Florida's votes in the Electoral College."


9:18 p.m. Bush's attorneys ask the U.S. Supreme Court for an emergency stay of the Florida decision.


11:35 p.m. Judge Lewis directs that Florida counties complete their manual recounts by Sunday at 2 p.m. The Election 2000 roller coaster roars on.

MONDAY, DEC. 11


11:00 a.m. After stopping the Florida recount two days earlier, the U.S. Supreme Court convenes to hear oral arguments on whether the Florida Supreme Court overstepped its bounds in ordering a statewide recount of undervotes.

12:46 p.m. Audiotapes of the historic Supreme Court argument air nationally. The long wait for the decisive decision begins.

3:39 p.m. A committee of the Florida House votes 5 to 2 to approve a resolution to name presidential electors for George W. Bush. A half-hour later, a Florida Senate committee approves a similar resolution by a 4-to-3 vote.

TUESDAY, DEC. 12


3:34 p.m. The Associated Press reports that the Florida House has voted to approve 25 electors for George Bush. Just two Democrats join the 79-to-41 vote.

4:31 p.m. As expected, the Florida Supreme Court upholds lower court rulings in the absentee-ballot application cases in Seminole and Martin counties. Meanwhile, there is no word from the U.S. Supreme Court. For hours, the all-news cable news networks have run scrolls on the bottom of the television screen declaring that a ruling is expected any minute.

9:54 p.m. The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-to-4 ruling split along ideological lines, steps in to end the election and Al Gore's quest for a final recount. It reverses the Florida Supreme Court decision ordering a statewide recount of undervotes, stating, in the per curiam section of its opinion, that differing vote-counting standards from county to county and the lack of a single judicial officer to oversee the recount violated the equal-protection clause of the Constitution. The majority opinion effectively precludes Gore from attempting to seek any other recounts on the grounds that a recount could not be completed by December 12, in time to certify a conclusive slate of electors. Several justices issue bitter dissents. "One thing ... is certain," Justice John Paul Stevens argues. "Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law." Justice Stephen G. Breyer adds that "in this highly politicized matter, the appearance of a split decision runs the risk of undermining the public's confidence in the court itself."

WEDNESDAY, DEC. 13


10:10 a.m. It's D-Day for Al Gore. Gore directs his Florida recount committee to suspend its activities. Gore campaign chair William Daley says Gore will give a nationally televised address in the evening.

Around 1:45 p.m. Based on Al Gore's anticipated concession speech, the Florida Senate votes to recess and scrap its plan to name electors for George Bush.

8:56 p.m. Al Gore calls Bush to concede the presidential race.

9:00 p.m. In a nationally televised address, as Gore's family and Joe and Hadassah Lieberman stand solemnly nearby, Al Gore concedes he has lost his bid for the presidency. He asks his supporters to support George Bush, declaring, "This is America, and we put country before party." As to what he'll do next, Gore says, "I don't know the answer to that one yet."

10:03 p.m. Following an introduction from the Democratic speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, President-elect Bush tells the Democratic-controlled chamber that "our nation must rise above a house divided." Bush thanks Gore for his gracious phone call earlier that evening and says he is eager to move forward on Social Security, Medicare, and tax relief. In his sober victory speech, Bush repeatedly reaches across party lines, declaring that "the president of the United States is the president of every single American, of every race and every background." Thirty-six tumultuous days after the voters went to the polls, the presidential election is over at last.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/magtimeline.htm

[loosecannon]

You will notice that in this study the only way Gore could have won was by counting disqualified ballots, is it our fault y'all can't punch a chad or that Blacks punched a chad and also wrote in the name of the person in the write-in section? Dems run all of these precincts yet blame everyone else for their fuck up. All official recounts using legitimate ballots were won by George W Bush, suck on that libs!

The Florida election recount of 2000 was a period of vote re-counting that occurred following the unclear results of the 2000 US presidential election, specifically the Florida results.

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major U.S. news organizations, conducted a Florida Ballot Project comprehensive review of all ballots uncounted (by machine) in the Florida 2000 presidential election, both undervotes and overvotes, with the main research aim being to report how different ballot layouts correlate with voter mistakes.

The media companies involved were:

Associated Press
The New York Times
The Wall Street Journal
CNN
St. Petersburg Times
The Palm Beach Post
The Washington Post
Tribune Company
Los Angeles Times
Chicago Tribune
Orlando Sentinel
The Baltimore Sun
Although the NORC study was not primarily intended as a determination of which candidate "really won", analysis of the results, given the hand counting of machine-uncountable ballots due to various types of voter error, indicated that they would lead to differing results, reported in the newspapers which funded the recount, such as The Miami Herald (The Miami Herald Report: Democracy Held Hostage) or the Washington Post [1].

The findings were reported by the media during the week after November 12, 2001.

All of the various county-by-county recounts had been requested by Gore or Bush. Neither Candidate had formally requested a total statewide recount.

The recount also showed that the only way that Al Gore could have tallied more votes was by using counting methods that were never requested, but that may have been applied if the USSC-mandated standards had been implemented, and which included "overvotes" — spoiled ballots containing more than one vote for an office. This means that, based on the recount, it appears highly likely that more people voted for Al Gore than for George Bush in Florida. While some of these ballots recorded votes for two separate candidates, a significant number (20% in Lake County, for example) were cases of a voter voting for a candidate and then also writing in that same candidate's name on the write-in line. A judge supervising the recount told the Orlando Sentinel that he had been open to the idea of examining the overvotes, and had been planning to discuss the matter at a hearing when the US Supreme Court stopped the recount. [2]

Candidate Outcomes Based on Potential Recounts in Florida Presidential Election 2000
(outcome of one particular study)
Review Method Winner
Review of All Ballots Statewide (never undertaken)
• Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey Gore by 171
• Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots Gore by 115
• Any dimples or optical mark Gore by 107
• One corner of chad detached or optical mark Gore by 60
Review of Limited Sets of Ballots (initiated but not completed)
• Gore request for recounts of all ballots in Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia counties Bush by 225
• Florida Supreme Court of all undervotes statewide Bush by 430
• Florida Supreme Court as being implemented by the counties, some of whom refused and some counted overvotes as well as undervotes Bush by 493
Unofficial recount totals
• Incomplete result when the Supreme Court stayed the recount (December 9, 2000) Bush by 154
Certified Result (official final count)
• Recounts included from Volusia and Broward only Bush by 537


According to the NY Times, the Palm Beach County Butterfly ballot cost Gore a net 6286 votes, and the Duval County 2 page ballot cost him a net 1999 votes, each of which would have made the difference by itself [3].


iow Gore got more votes in FL 2000.

[OCA]

iow Gore got more votes in FL 2000.

Not from OFFICIAL RECOUNTS, need me to explain the word official to you? He would've needed the votes of hanging chads, Blacks who weren't smart enough to know they didn't need to write his name in also, butterflys and the votes sent through a psychic of deceased citizens to come out on top.

Clearly you didn't read any of those posts because they OWNNNNNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!:dance:

Gore's message got out and was rejected.

[Kathianne]

Not from OFFICIAL RECOUNTS, need me to explain the word official to you? He would've needed the votes of hanging chads, Blacks who weren't smart enough to know they didn't need to write his name in also, butterflys and the votes sent through a psychic of deceased citizens to come out on top.

Clearly you didn't read any of those posts because they OWNNNNNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!:dance:

Gore's message got out and was rejected.

and here's the link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm

[loosecannon]

and here's the link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm


The link only addressed undercounts and only in the counties Gore had asked for recounts in.

More people cast votes for Gore in FL 2000 and all of the evidence supports that.

[loosecannon]

Not from OFFICIAL RECOUNTS, need me to explain the word official to you? He would've needed the votes of hanging chads, Blacks who weren't smart enough to know they didn't need to write his name in also, butterflys and the votes sent through a psychic of deceased citizens to come out on top.

Clearly you didn't read any of those posts because they OWNNNNNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!:dance:

Gore's message got out and was rejected.


Clearly you didn't read the links because what they said was that if all of the ballots had been counted even once, including the illegally rejected over votes Gore won handily.

The "official" label means the results as certified by Katherine Harris. After the SC stopped the counting.

[Hagbard Celine]

because....he's a douche

[OCA]

The link only addressed undercounts and only in the counties Gore had asked for recounts in.

More people cast votes for Gore in FL 2000 and all of the evidence supports that.

God I hesitate to ask you to backup anything you say but.....have anything to back up the wild accusation you just made?

[OCA]

Clearly you didn't read the links because what they said was that if all of the ballots had been counted even once, including the illegally rejected over votes Gore won handily.

The "official" label means the results as certified by Katherine Harris. After the SC stopped the counting.

All the votes were counted once, Bush won. There were no illegally rejected votes.

[gabosaurus]

All the votes were counted once, Bush won. There were no illegally rejected votes.

Bush did not win the popular vote. He won the electoral vote only because Florida was decided in his favor. Recounts in Florida and Ohio found serious voting flaws.
That is all WAY in the past. Why keep debating it?

[Hugh Lincoln]

I agree with all 5 of HC's counterpoints, but none of them is the reason I hate Bush.

I hate Bush because he is the diametric opposite of everything our party is supposed to stand for. Personal responsibility, less government, and integrity.

And national sovereignty, secure borders, careful spending, putting the interests of American over those of other countries, selecting cabinet members for reasons of merit, commanding elocution, literacy, getting your spot because you fought for it, not because daddy gave it to you, etc. etc. etc.

[82Marine89]

And national sovereignty, secure borders, careful spending, putting the interests of American over those of other countries, selecting cabinet members for reasons of merit, commanding elocution, literacy, getting your spot because you fought for it, not because daddy gave it to you, etc. etc. etc.

I fully understand that 9/11 forced Mr. Bush to change the platform he ran on, but what pisses me off the most about him is his rhetoric about the need to protect this great Nation from terrorists, but his refusal to protect our borders. You can't have one without the other.

[loosecannon]

All the votes were counted once, Bush won. There were no illegally rejected votes.

No they were not all counted and yes approx 100,000 ballots WERE rejected illegally, and yes i provided the link. It was a loooong interview with an actual elections manager in FL who has impecible creds.

He quoted FL law which states that ballots can not be rejected when there is a clear intention expressed for a candidate.

Over votes are not ambiguous. They clearly show whom the voter was selecting.

[loosecannon]

And national sovereignty, secure borders, careful spending, putting the interests of American over those of other countries, selecting cabinet members for reasons of merit, commanding elocution, literacy, getting your spot because you fought for it, not because daddy gave it to you, etc. etc. etc.

Good post

[diuretic]

Really? Who is Ramzi Ahmed Yousef?

A prisoner of the US?

[Samantha]

I think giving Bush credit for this is ludicrous. It's not like we've had few stretches of time where we've been free of terrorist attacks.It's hard to communicate with dingdongs that can't remember all the lies of the Bush admin. I know there's been a lot, but we have to try to practise our memory.

But here you go, check out this video and learn about the lies.

How can we deny this?

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/video_popups/pop_vid_btw1-5.html

[typomaniac]

It's hard to communicate with dingdongs that can't remember all the lies of the Bush admin. I know there's been a lot, but we have to try to practise our memory. I don't think that whether they can remember is an issue, Sam. It's much more likely that they don't want to remember. And if they were dumb enough to vote for him, I can hardly blame them for not wanting to.

[Samantha]

Big egos can't admit they believed the lies?

[Kathianne]

The link only addressed undercounts and only in the counties Gore had asked for recounts in.

More people cast votes for Gore in FL 2000 and all of the evidence supports that.

No it doesn't, you are ignoring reality, but if it feels good, go for it.

[avatar4321]

No it doesn't, you are ignoring reality, but if it feels good, go for it.

Sheesh i take a few days off from this thread and he is still trying to act as if Gore won?

It's simply amazing how much of a fantasy world one can create.

[Kathianne]

Sheesh i take a few days off from this thread and he is still trying to act as if Gore won?

It's simply amazing how much of a fantasy world one can create.

Yeah, even worse on the other site. Gunny is stuck with your absence! :laugh2:
Never the boss taking the 'mean' road...

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Big egos can't admit they believed the lies?

Or they were the ones doing the lying... take your choice.