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Little-Acorn
03-22-2010, 10:58 AM
I said in another thread, that the people mostly at fault for Socialized Medicine being imposed on us on 21 Mar 2010, were REPUBLICANS. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy, and it is us. Republicans should have known better than to start acting like Democrats, and legislate in ways that got them kicked out in 2006 and 2008, thus letting the barbarians enter the gates of Constitutional government.

So, what do we do to prevent this from happening in the future?

The airwaves are full of predictions that scores of Democrats will lose their Congressional elections this November after arrogantly ignoring the will of the people with this imposition of Socialized Medicine. Possibly even that Republicans will get majorities in one or both houses after the votes are counted. It happened in 1993/1994, when Democrats tried to impose a similar Socialized Medicine program on the country, and failed. The House and Senate were given Republican majorities in the next election, practically for the first time in 60 years.

And this time, the Democrats have actually SUCCEEDED in imposing socialism, flatly against the Constitution and the will of the people. So Republicans should be a shoe-in this time, shouldn't they?

Well, that's not as likely as it may sound.

Republicans had two advantages in the 1994 election, that they don't have now:

1.) A plan for practical policies they presented to the public, that made large numbers want to vote FOR them, and not just AGAINST Democrats. This plan was also one of the rare times when politicians made promises and actually kept every one of them.

2.) A pretty good legislative record of low taxes, reduced government, low spending, and protecting the rights of the people. The spending binges of the 1980s were caused by House majority Democrats who reneged on their promises to then-President Reagan to balance the budget, and racked up huge debts despite rising government revenues, under threat of killing Reagan's military restoration.

Republicans don't have either of these advantages today. The lack of a good legislative record, is a cross mostly of their own making, as they themselves went on huge spending binges in the 2000's as they tried to out-Democrat the Democrats - the very acts that got the Republicans kicked out in 2006 and 2008. Republicans will have to bear this cross inn the 2010 elections - they can't turn the clock back.

And they don't have any coherent plan they can present to the American people, as good reasons to vote for them. "We aren't as bad as Democrats!" is going to ring a little hollow - people heard that throughout the 2000's, and we saw the result in 2006 and 2008.

The "Contract with America" - a list of bills the majority Democrats had kept bottled up in committees in Congress after Congress, never letting them onto the floor for a vote, that Republicans promised WOULD be voted on if people elected them - wasn't introduced until nearly the middle of 1994. This turned out to be a propitious time, as the idea took hold, gained momentum, and peaked in time to sweep Republicans into majorities in both Houses.

It's not quite the middle of 2010 now. But Republicans had better be working on some kind of unifying plan NOW, if they want to present it with the organization needed to push it through by May or June. And "We will repeal the Socialized Medicine plan" is a dangerous one. It will give the leftists a chance to scream, "See? See? Republicans are trying to take away your Health Care!!!", consonant with their long-cherished conviction that if Government doesn't provide something, nobody will provide it.

A proposal like, "We will improve your Health Care by cutting down on insane lawsuit awards, removing the draconian fines and govt forcing you into plans you don't want, and allowing competition across state lines, etc." might gain more traction... and, for the first time, offer people a plan they actually want.

Are Republicans a shoe-in for Congressional majorities after the Democrat imposition of mandatory Socialized Medicine?

NO.

Not unless they get their shit together in one hell of a hurry, and do it right.

Which I've seen no signs of their doing so far.

OldMercsRule
03-22-2010, 11:08 AM
I said in another thread, that the people mostly at fault for Socialized Medicine being imposed on us on 21 Mar 2010, were REPUBLICANS. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy, and it is us. Republicans should have known better than to start acting like Democrats, and legislate in ways that got them kicked out in 2006 and 2008, thus letting the barbarians enter the gates of Constitutional government.

So, what do we do to prevent this from happening in the future?

The airwaves are full of predictions that scores of Democrats will lose their Congressional elections this November after arrogantly ignoring the will of the people with this imposition of Socialized Medicine. Possibly even that Republicans will get majorities in one or both houses after the votes are counted. It happened in 1993/1994, when Democrats tried to impose a similar Socialized Medicine program on the country, and failed. The House and Senate were given Republican majorities in the next election, practically for the first time in 60 years.

And this time, the Democrats have actually SUCCEEDED in imposing socialism, flatly against the Constitution and the will of the people. So Republicans should be a shoe-in this time, shouldn't they?

Well, that's not as likely as it may sound.

Republicans had two advantages in the 1994 election, that they don't have now:

1.) A plan for practical policies they presented to the public, that made large numbers want to vote FOR them, and not just AGAINST Democrats. This plan was also one of the rare times when politicians made promises and actually kept every one of them.

2.) A pretty good legislative record of low taxes, reduced government, low spending, and protecting the rights of the people. The spending binges of the 1980s were caused by House majority Democrats who reneged on their promises to then-President Reagan to balance the budget, and racked up huge debts despite rising government revenues, under threat of killing Reagan's military restoration.

Republicans don't have either of these advantages today. The lack of a good legislative record, is a cross mostly of their own making, as they themselves went on huge spending binges in the 2000's as they tried to out-Democrat the Democrats - the very acts that got the Republicans kicked out in 2006 and 2008. Republicans will have to bear this cross inn the 2010 elections - they can't turn the clock back.

And they don't have any coherent plan they can present to the American people, as good reasons to vote for them. "We aren't as bad as Democrats!" is going to ring a little hollow - people heard that throughout the 2000's, and we saw the result in 2006 and 2008.

The "Contract with America" - a list of bills the majority Democrats had kept bottled up in committees in Congress after Congress, never letting them onto the floor for a vote, that Republicans promised WOULD be voted on if people elected them - wasn't introduced until nearly the middle of 1994. This turned out to be a propitious time, as the idea took hold, gained momentum, and peaked in time to sweep Republicans into majorities in both Houses.

It's not quite the middle of 2010 now. But Republicans had better be working on some kind of unifying plan NOW, if they want to present it with the organization needed to push it through by May or June. And "We will repeal the Socialized Medicine plan" is a dangerous one. It will give the leftists a chance to scream, "See? See? Republicans are trying to take away your Health Care!!!", consonant with their long-cherished conviction that if Government doesn't provide something, nobody will provide it.

A proposal like, "We will improve your Health Care by cutting down on insane lawsuit awards, removing the draconian fines and govt forcing you into plans you don't want, and allowing competition across state lines, etc." might gain more traction... and, for the first time, offer people a plan they actually want.

Are Republicans a shoe-in for Congressional majorities after the Democrat imposition of mandatory Socialized Medicine?

NO.

Not unless they get their shit together in one hell of a hurry, and do it right.

Which I've seen no signs of their doing so far.

Vote out all Democrats in 2010 and 2012 and make it clear to wobbly Republicans that we want this mess repealed or they can pack their bags as well. Not gonna be easy.

We are likely gonna hit a financial wall within the next few years. JR

DragonStryk72
03-22-2010, 12:10 PM
I think the main point for republicans is to get back to basics. Look at Reagan for a perfect example of this. People considered him a joke because he was an actor, but he never waivered, he stood exactly where he was, and let them come to him. The republicans need to show solid footing, and focus on the core: Simple, small, efficient government that allows the people to determine their own lives.

namvet
03-22-2010, 12:55 PM
do we still have the power of the vote????

Gaffer
03-22-2010, 02:42 PM
do we still have the power of the vote????

Since the dems don't care about the power of the vote I would say we don't. After all they have the media behind them to paint them as wonderful people and a whole army of illegals to help them win, plus union goons to intimidate and ACORN thugs to fill the ballot boxes. Voting won't mean shit.

namvet
03-22-2010, 02:49 PM
and that marks the end of this country

Gaffer
03-22-2010, 02:54 PM
and that marks the end of this country

Very true we are watching the collapse as it takes place. Going the same way as the soviets did. Communism fails once again. The shooting will start right after Nov.

namvet
03-22-2010, 03:33 PM
Very true we are watching the collapse as it takes place. Going the same way as the soviets did. Communism fails once again. The shooting will start right after Nov.

might as well start callin' him Barrack Gorbachev

im to old to fight but ill supply the weapons

revelarts
03-22-2010, 04:37 PM
States Gear up to battle
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601203&sid=aKkyXtsVB7.w

States Say They’ll Challenge Health Bill for Costs, Mandate

By Pat Wechsler

March 22 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is bumping up against a revolt over the health-care overhaul and its expansion of state-run Medicaid, with 12 states challenging its constitutionality in lawsuits to be filed once he signs it.

Florida, Texas and Pennsylvania are among the states claiming the legislation places a fiscal burden on their cash- strapped budgets, according to statements by state attorneys general. The health-care overhaul will make as many as 15 million more Americans eligible for Medicaid nationwide starting in 2014 and will cost the states billions to administer....

HogTrash
03-22-2010, 04:45 PM
Never vote for any Democrat or anyone else of leftist ideology or any republican who does not preach and practice strict conservatism.

Demand honesty, excellence and morality in government...Any politician who will betray his family will betray the people who elected him.

Never vote for a politician who practices political correctness and put an end to it's enfluence in government and your personal daily lives.

Halt immigration and amnesty for all minorities who will not strictly adhere to this doctrine...Let's not fool ourselves, we know who they are.

Encourage white people from around the world who are fed up with socialism and will support the American way of life to come to the US.

This is not about hate, skin color or racism like the PC programmed and indoctrinated masses want you to believe...This is about survival!

Jeff
03-22-2010, 04:46 PM
might as well start callin' him Barrack Gorbachev

im to old to fight but ill supply the weapons

Your never to old to fight NV, hell if the young had the balls that 1/2 the older guys did this ass wouldn't even be in office

namvet
03-22-2010, 05:00 PM
Your never to old to fight NV, hell if the young had the balls that 1/2 the older guys did this ass wouldn't even be in office

thanks Jeff but sooner or later my generation has to hand the baton of freedom to the next. and they refused to accept it.

never thought I would live to see it. or say it.

Monkeybone
03-22-2010, 05:13 PM
thanks Jeff but sooner or later my generation has to hand the baton of freedom to the next. and they refused to accept it.

never thought I would live to see it. or say it.

didn't refuse... you;re just too far away from the computer and TV. walking that far will make me breath heavy and sweat. :laugh2: