The Communist Takeover of Amerca - 45 Declared Goals

[HogTrash]

How many of these Communist "goals" from 1963 can you find that are a reality today?

What's truely interesting is how many of them are part of the Democrat Party's national platform and are issues popular to the liberals and progressives?

The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals
From Greg Swank
12-4-2

You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. http://www.rense.com

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

*Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.

http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

[bullypulpit]

Jayzus Hawg...! You gotta stop huffin' the carb cleaner. If the best you and your fellow travelers can do is rehash John Bircher talking points from the fifties and sixties, the conservative movement in America is dead.

With conservatism's intellectual greats, Goldwater...Buckley...and the rest dead or driven out by the bug-fuck crazies...once on the fringe, but now mainstreamed...The intellectual base of conservatism is now a barren wasteland. The intellectual base of American conservatism is now left with the likes of you Hawg, and the bullshit you parrot from the right wing-nut punditocracy. :rolleyes:

[Gaffer]

Jayzus Hawg...! You gotta stop huffin' the carb cleaner. If the best you and your fellow travelers can do is rehash John Bircher talking points from the fifties and sixties, the conservative movement in America is dead.

With conservatism's intellectual greats, Goldwater...Buckley...and the rest dead or driven out by the bug-fuck crazies...once on the fringe, but now mainstreamed...The intellectual base of conservatism is now a barren wasteland. The intellectual base of American conservatism is now left with the likes of you Hawg, and the bullshit you parrot from the right wing-nut punditocracy. :rolleyes:

And the left is represented by comrade bully. whassa matter you don't like you agenda exposed?

46. After getting control exterminate all those that oppose you. It has happened in every communist regime since 1917.

[HogTrash]

Jayzus Hawg...! You gotta stop huffin' the carb cleaner. If the best you and your fellow travelers can do is rehash John Bircher talking points from the fifties and sixties, the conservative movement in America is dead.

With conservatism's intellectual greats, Goldwater...Buckley...and the rest dead or driven out by the bug-fuck crazies...once on the fringe, but now mainstreamed...The intellectual base of conservatism is now a barren wasteland. The intellectual base of American conservatism is now left with the likes of you Hawg, and the bullshit you parrot from the right wing-nut punditocracy. :rolleyes:Exactly what is it you have against "carb cleaner"? :confused:

[HogTrash]

Jayzus Hawg...! You gotta stop huffin' the carb cleaner. If the best you and your fellow travelers can do is rehash John Bircher talking points from the fifties and sixties, the conservative movement in America is dead.

With conservatism's intellectual greats, Goldwater...Buckley...and the rest dead or driven out by the bug-fuck crazies...once on the fringe, but now mainstreamed...The intellectual base of conservatism is now a barren wasteland. The intellectual base of American conservatism is now left with the likes of you Hawg, and the bullshit you parrot from the right wing-nut punditocracy. :rolleyes:This isn't about "conservatism" mr bully, this is about their advisaries on the Left.

By the number of Declared Goals on this list that have been accomplished, I would say your side is advancing pretty good.

[chloe]

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[chloe]

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[Gaffer]

Great finds Chloe, I have to spread the rep.

[bullypulpit]

Wow...flashbacks to the Cold War, Joe McCarthy and everything else. The fact is that communism, as an ideology, is about as dead as that week old road-kill I keep passing as I drive to work. The only real practitioners left is North Korea's "dear leader" and his sorry offspring. And you see what kinda sorry-assed shape they're in.

That y'all keep tossing out words like "communist" and "socialist" with regards to the current occupant of the Oval Office and his cabinet shows just how ignorant you really are about just what those words mean.

[bullypulpit]

Exactly what is it you have against "carb cleaner"? :confused:

You're right Hawg. You probably huff paint thinner.

[Gaffer]

Wow...flashbacks to the Cold War, Joe McCarthy and everything else. The fact is that communism, as an ideology, is about as dead as that week old road-kill I keep passing as I drive to work. The only real practitioners left is North Korea's "dear leader" and his sorry offspring. And you see what kinda sorry-assed shape they're in.

That y'all keep tossing out words like "communist" and "socialist" with regards to the current occupant of the Oval Office and his cabinet shows just how ignorant you really are about just what those words mean.

Communism is not dead its thriving very well in washington dc. And your one of its greatest enablers. All because you hate the gop for whatever reason.

Its absolutely necessary for the communists to bring down this country economically, its the only way to destroy it. It also destroys all the world economies and makes it easier for gaining world wide control.

But as usual the American people stand in the way. They will not give in to such controls unless they can be beaten down with economic depression. North korea is a prime example of where we are heading. It's the end goal of communism.

[bullypulpit]

Communism is not dead its thriving very well in washington dc. And your one of its greatest enablers. All because you hate the gop for whatever reason.

Its absolutely necessary for the communists to bring down this country economically, its the only way to destroy it. It also destroys all the world economies and makes it easier for gaining world wide control.

But as usual the American people stand in the way. They will not give in to such controls unless they can be beaten down with economic depression. North korea is a prime example of where we are heading. It's the end goal of communism.

:lol:

"...shows just how ignorant you really are about just what those words mean."

[stephanie]

Wow...flashbacks to the Cold War, Joe McCarthy and everything else. The fact is that communism, as an ideology, is about as dead as that week old road-kill I keep passing as I drive to work. The only real practitioners left is North Korea's "dear leader" and his sorry offspring. And you see what kinda sorry-assed shape they're in.

That y'all keep tossing out words like "communist" and "socialist" with regards to the current occupant of the Oval Office and his cabinet shows just how ignorant you really are about just what those words mean.

the new Leftist talking point to the people of this country. you all are too stupid to KNOW what Socialists, Communism, Marxism etc is.

how bout that one.:laugh2:

Bully, your name on the message board is really stating to fit you.

[Gaffer]

:lol:

"...shows just how ignorant you really are about just what those words mean."

It shows you don't know what they mean. Your either an ignorant man who follows blindly, or your an evil enabler who follows willingly. I'm leaning toward the latter. Do you get paid by the post or the number of boards you post on?

[bullypulpit]

the new Leftist talking point to the people of this country. you all are too stupid to KNOW what Socialists, Communism, Marxism etc is.

Well...If the shoe fits, dearie, wear it.

[bullypulpit]

it shows you don't know what they mean. Your either an ignorant man who follows blindly, or your an evil enabler who follows willingly. I'm leaning toward the latter. Do you get paid by the post or the number of boards you post on?

q.e.d.

[Little-Acorn]

Hogtrash, looks like you really hit a nerve in little bullypulpit, when you publish those goals of people supporting communist or socialist agendas. Check it out - post after post from him, giving no refutation or facts, just smears and namecalling. Apparently you've got him really alarmed by revealing his goals!

Keep up the good work, Hawg!

[stephanie]

Hogtrash, looks like you really hit a nerve in little bullypulpit, when you publish those goals of people supporting communist or socialist agendas. Check it out - post after post from him, giving no refutation or facts, just smears and namecalling. Apparently you've got him really alarmed by revealing his goals!

Keep up the good work, Hawg!

you noticed that too.:laugh2:

[HogTrash]

JCl1Hb5wO6s

:eek:Scary, isn't it Chloe?...Do you think all these things are likely to come about?...The 'powers that be' have been advancing their plans for several decades.

Some see it while others don't but we all deny that we not only have been programmed to accept these changes, but to actively support and promote them.

The absolute most effective #1 strategy our enemies have used to bring about these changes is 'political correctness', but of course none of us here practice it.

Mind control is their weapon, total control is their objective...The only way to defeat them is to first admit they are in our heads, and only then can we get them out.

[HogTrash]

Hogtrash, looks like you really hit a nerve in little bullypulpit, when you publish those goals of people supporting communist or socialist agendas. Check it out - post after post from him, giving no refutation or facts, just smears and namecalling. Apparently you've got him really alarmed by revealing his goals!

Keep up the good work, Hawg!Marxism/communism/socialism has been proven countless times throughout history to be a failed, oppressive and unproductive system of governance.

Bullypuppet and others of this economical and political ideolgy have no rational argument for their beliefs, so name-calling, insults and mudslinging are all they have to fight with.

[chloe]

Scary, isn't it Chloe?...Do you think all these things are likely to come about?...The 'powers that be' have been advancing their plans for several decades.

Some see it while others don't but we all deny that we not only have been programmed to accept these changes, but to actively support and promote them.

The absolute most effective #1 strategy our enemies have used to bring about these changes is 'political correctness', but of course none of us here practice it.

Mind control is their weapon, total control is their objective...The only way to defeat them is to first admit they are in our heads, and only then can we get them out.


Yeah I think it might , I found a website about it and the plans to make it happen, and I got scared.

[HogTrash]

Wow...flashbacks to the Cold War, Joe McCarthy and everything else. The fact is that communism, as an ideology, is about as dead as that week old road-kill I keep passing as I drive to work. The only real practitioners left is North Korea's "dear leader" and his sorry offspring. And you see what kinda sorry-assed shape they're in.

That y'all keep tossing out words like "communist" and "socialist" with regards to the current occupant of the Oval Office and his cabinet shows just how ignorant you really are about just what those words mean.The greatest trick satan ever played, was to convince us he didn't exist. :dev3:

[stephanie]

Anyone else notice the Bully and his Democrat-Progressive comrade in arms are becoming more shrill with each passing day.

I wonder why?:laugh2:

[crin63]

I attended Dr. Skousen's Constitutional seminars when I was in my early teens. While it was too long ago to remember them it's probably where I learned the Constitution.

[HogTrash]

I attended Dr. Skousen's Constitutional seminars when I was in my early teens. While it was too long ago to remember them it's probably where I learned the Constitution.I ain't buyin it!...You must have at least one or two memorable moments, events or words of wisdom? :salute:

[bullypulpit]

Hogtrash, looks like you really hit a nerve in little bullypulpit, when you publish those goals of people supporting communist or socialist agendas. Check it out - post after post from him, giving no refutation or facts, just smears and namecalling. Apparently you've got him really alarmed by revealing his goals!

Keep up the good work, Hawg!

Didja notice where I deride communism as the failure it is? Or didja simply ignore it. I'm betting on the latter.

As for refuting anything...history has done that for us by showing the failure of communism. Hell, even China has become a nation of robber barons that America's robber barons of the 19th and early 20th centuries would be envious of. Laissez-faire capitalism at its worst.

I would find the ignorance of you and your fellow travelers in this matter amusing if it weren't so pernicious and detrimental to this country.

[bullypulpit]

Anyone else notice the Bully and his Democrat-Progressive comrade in arms are becoming more shrill with each passing day.

I wonder why?:laugh2:

Shrill? Hardly. But that's how the right paints anyone who simply points out the facts at hand. Pity reality has such a liberal bias.

[stephanie]

Shrill? Hardly. But that's how the right paints anyone who simply points out the facts at hand. Pity reality has such a liberal bias.

:lol:

[Gaffer]

Didja notice where I deride communism as the failure it is? Or didja simply ignore it. I'm betting on the latter.

As for refuting anything...history has done that for us by showing the failure of communism. Hell, even China has become a nation of robber barons that America's robber barons of the 19th and early 20th centuries would be envious of. Laissez-faire capitalism at its worst.

I would find the ignorance of you and your fellow travelers in this matter amusing if it weren't so pernicious and detrimental to this country.

You just think your brand of communism will finally work. It's all about power for your party and nothing more than that. where do you plan to stand in the hierarchy of their pyramid scheme? You realize your nothing more than their pawn? They want to same thing china has. Them in power making all the money while the people do all the work for them. and they have your support. That just says your a really dumb individual, because you support your own down troding.

[crin63]

I ain't buyin it!...You must have at least one or two memorable moments, events or words of wisdom? :salute:

I went to so many political seminars and even summer camp to remember who was who and what was what. I heard all the big dogs of the John Birch Society and tax protest movement from about 1975-1984. The only names I remember is Dr. Skousen, Alan Stang and Gary Benoit.

[bullypulpit]

You just think your brand of communism will finally work. It's all about power for your party and nothing more than that. where do you plan to stand in the hierarchy of their pyramid scheme? You realize your nothing more than their pawn? They want to same thing china has. Them in power making all the money while the people do all the work for them. and they have your support. That just says your a really dumb individual, because you support your own down troding.

Just WTF are you babbling about? Did you forget to take your zyprexa this morning? Or perhaps your aricept?

[chloe]

Just WTF are you babbling about? Did you forget to take your zyprexa this morning? Or perhaps your aricept?

A better world is possible — a world where people come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.

http://www.cpusa.org/

The Communist Party USA is the party of and for the U.S. working class, a class which is multiracial, multinational, and unites men and women, young and old, employed and unemployed, organized and unorganized, gay and straight, native-born and immigrant, urban and rural, and composed of workers who perform a large range of physical and mental labor—the vast majority of our society. We are the party of the African American, Mexican American, Puerto Rican, all other Latino American, Native American, Asian American, and all racially and nationally oppressed peoples, as well as women, youth, and all other working people.

The living standards of workers and the natural environment on which life depends are under constant attack due to the drive for maximum profits inherent in capitalism. Our party fights for jobs and economic security, a decent and rising standard of living, peace, justice, equality, a sustainable environment, gay rights, health care, education, affordable housing, the needs of seniors, democracy, and a fulfilling life for everyone, with socialism as our goal.

Only through the abolition of the capitalist system and the socialist reorganization of society can exploitation of human beings by others, and the evils of oppression, war, racism, environmental degradation, and poverty be ended. We seek to build a socialist society which puts people and nature before profits.

http://cpusa.org/cpusa-constitution/

[Gaffer]

Thank you Chloe. I have to spread the rep unfortunately.
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[BoogyMan]

Marxism/communism/socialism has been proven countless times throughout history to be a failed, oppressive and unproductive system of governance.

Bullypuppet and others of this economical and political ideolgy have no rational argument for their beliefs, so name-calling, insults and mudslinging are all they have to fight with.

Nicely said!

Mr. Obama has the left drunk with the idea of "social justice" which is just another term for Marxism with a little socialist flair. Social justice is simply terminology used by Mr. Obama to claim in public that he IS the socialist we knew he was and that the left adamantly denies that he is.

[bullypulpit]

Nicely said!

Mr. Obama has the left drunk with the idea of "social justice" which is just another term for Marxism with a little socialist flair. Social justice is simply terminology used by Mr. Obama to claim in public that he IS the socialist we knew he was and that the left adamantly denies that he is.

Ummm...Wasn't Jesus big on social justice? Or do you just ignore those parts of the Bible?

[HogTrash]

Ummm...Wasn't Jesus big on social justice? Or do you just ignore those parts of the Bible?To the best of my knowledge he was not, but if you could you show where the Bible states this, I will believe you?

[Kathianne]

To the best of my knowledge he was not, but if you could you show where the Bible states this, I will believe you?

While not agreeing with BP on most anything he's posted in the past 14 months, I'd say the Beatitudes pretty much cover social justice. They aren't part of the bible?

[chloe]

While not agreeing with BP on most anything he's posted in the past 14 months, I'd say the Beatitudes pretty much cover social justice. They aren't part of the bible?


Yeah thats a good example, yet he also told people not to sin anymore and also reforming and rependint seems to weigh alot into thing. I don't think that living as a communist and having things handed to you is social justice.

[Kathianne]

Yeah thats a good example, yet he also told people not to sin anymore and also reforming and rependint seems to weigh alot into thing. I don't think that living as a communist and having things handed to you is social justice.

Actually literal interpretation of Jesus' teachings would meld quite well with traditional Marxist theory. Note I said 'theory', not practice. Of course the schism comes with atheism, but how to treat one another? Pretty close. Did he advocate government implementation? Not that I've ever seen mentioned, but compared to today's US, the Romans were pretty hands off. :laugh2:

[chloe]

Actually literal interpretation of Jesus' teachings would meld quite well with traditional Marxist theory. Note I said 'theory', not practice. Of course the schism comes with atheism, but how to treat one another? Pretty close. Did he advocate government implementation? Not that I've ever seen mentioned, but compared to today's US, the Romans were pretty hands off. :laugh2:

Of course its just my opinion I think Jesus preached forgiveness but also self accountability. heal yourself is more like take care of yourself make yourself well and better learn how to be respone able and goes along with capitalism, sin no more is about being honorable and having self respect, integrity. Forgiveness is about charity and compassion. But its only how I see it I am sure since you actually study religion you see it more correctly.:beer:

[Kathianne]

Of course its just my opinion I think Jesus preached forgiveness but also self accountability. heal yourself is more like take care of yourself make yourself well and better learn how to be respone able and goes along with capitalism, sin no more is about being honorable and having self respect, integrity. Forgiveness is about charity and compassion. But its only how I see it I am sure since you actually study religion you see it more correctly.:beer:

Christ and forgiveness? A given, it was the whole point. Self-accountability? As a person, yes. 'Render unto Caesar...' springs to my mind as the only real discussion of government that I can recall.

Social Justice? If we mean 'to each according to their needs...' the two meld, in theory. Again, in practice? No, communism has failed every time and always had a privileged elite and suffering masses.

[HogTrash]

I was under the impression that Jesus taught that we should be kind, caring and charatable, and give willingly and freely of ourselves to those in need?

[Kathianne]

I was under the impression that Jesus taught that we should be kind, caring and charatable, and give willingly and freely of ourselves to those in need?

There is nothing in 'social justice' that says it must be government mandated. In fact, seems wrong that so many liberals are espousing just that.

I do see though that while you claim 'being set straight' then agreeing that Christ indeed was for social justice, I am a bit confused. You do agree with the Beatitudes, right? No where is government mentioned, though the message of such acts are clear. BTW, to avoid twisting, the 'clear' is NOT government actions.

[HogTrash]

There is nothing in 'social justice' that says it must be government mandated. In fact, seems wrong that so many liberals are espousing just that.

I do see though that while you claim 'being set straight' then agreeing that Christ indeed was for social justice, I am a bit confused. You do agree with the Beatitudes, right? No where is government mentioned, though the message of such acts are clear. BTW, to avoid twisting, the 'clear' is NOT government actions.I'm afraid I was being a bit facetious.....

I'm quite sure Jesus meant that we should be charatable and give willingly without the envolvement of an IRS agent holding a gun to our heads. :salute:

[bullypulpit]

To the best of my knowledge he was not, but if you could you show where the Bible states this, I will believe you?

<blockquote> <b>34</b>Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

<b>35</b>For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

<b>36</b>Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

<b>37</b>Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

<b>38</b>When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

<b>39</b>Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

<b>40</b>And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. - Matthew 25:34-40</blockquote>

Social justice in a nut-shell Hawg.

[Missileman]

<blockquote> <b>34</b>Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

<b>35</b>For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

<b>36</b>Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

<b>37</b>Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

<b>38</b>When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

<b>39</b>Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

<b>40</b>And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. - Matthew 25:34-40</blockquote>

Social justice in a nut-shell Hawg.

Sorry Bully! That passage is urging Christians to be charitable. Has nothing at all to do with social justice.

[Kathianne]

Sorry Bully! That passage is urging Christians to be charitable. Has nothing at all to do with social justice.

Charity has everything to do with social justice, but is not in and of itself, all.

(1 Cor 13:13) "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

I take it you are limiting the social justice aspect to law-thus government. I and many do not. Yes, it would include equal rights and fair application of laws. It certainly is a reason to respond to death penalty and abortion...

Then again, it's more. It's seeing each person as having basic worth. The 'equality' referred to in Declaration, in my opinion. While many take the religious call to go forth with such in your heart, so too I've known plenty of atheists and self-declared 'less than religious' have truly the same starting point in dealing with their fellow man.

Now one might take the message as far as a Mother Theresa, most don't.

If a child is born into circumstances of poverty or neglect, without the care, love, and necessities of life, one is not starting out 'equal' in the race. I doubt any of us disagree with that. Some will get hooked on the definition of necessities, certainly the government does.

If one looks at the situation though fairly and with open eyes, a child needs nourishment, to be warm and cool, clean, stimulated physically and intellectually, and loved-unconditionally. Money cannot provide for more than a small percent of what is necessary.

True charity can help with the basics, but more importantly to share in the message of faith and hope to the adults, which are the people necessary in the life of the child. While many tend to see this as just religious, it's not necessarily so. When friends or family help one another when another is down and out, when neighbors help a neighbor in trouble, etc., they are working towards social justice.

[Missileman]

Charity has everything to do with social justice, but is not in and of itself, all.


I respectfully disagree. Justice is something enforced. The social justice the Dems claim to be involved in seeks to level the playing field forcibly through taxation and legislation. Charity is something freely given.

[Kathianne]

I respectfully disagree. Justice is something enforced. The social justice the Dems claim to be involved in seeks to level the playing field forcibly through taxation and legislation. Charity is something freely given.

What the Democrats want cannot be made the definer of all things. Social Justice includes charity, which I agree is freely given. That has never been a problem in the US, but may well be in the near future. Most people, including those that are 'liberal' recognize when too much is given without being tempered with responsibility.

While good parents will freely give to young children, they know that as the child grows they must take up some responsibilities in the family, community. Thus the norms of with holding allowances, taking away or earning privileges, etc.

Problem with the nanny state is there are no bars to be met that have meaning. The bureaucrats setting the standards have no contact with the people they are supposed to be helping. Those on location are usually those that have no skills to have obtained a better job. They got their job by being part of the system. Yes it's the old saw of 'Give a man a fish...' There's the dual problem of the bureaucrats spending money that is not theirs on people they know only in the abstract.

Early progressives or community organizers though, on the model of a Jane Addams, while idealistic, they were much more pragmatic than the fools today. They didn't concern themselves with abstract people in other communities or cities. They focused on those on the West Side of Chicago. They knew the problems of the families; poverty, alcoholism, ignorance.

Those were the problems they tried to address. Addams and her friends, all from wealth, gave women clothes for work, taught them to read and fill out applications, taught nutrition for their children. They set up day and after-school care. They made the children do homework, then play. Much more effective than mandating 'standards,' and passing the rules for others to implement down the line.

Truth is that any chance of helping people at the bottom will not come from the top down. It's from the community up. One doesn't 'empower' people by teaching them to rail at the system, but giving them ownership of themselves and their community. It's giving them hope that they can succeed, perhaps more importantly that their children may thrive. That is one, important aspect of social justice here.

I'm conservative regarding holding the government in check, make that, trying to rein the government in, back to reasonable levels. I am for change that can occur through people, acting in the interests of themselves and wanting more for others. At bottom I believe most people are good. Most of us want a better home, community, country. If our needs are met, we do not wish others to suffer. At the local level the people working with those in need are able to recognize those that prey on others or just are self-destructive. Those are the people that need to be removed, not dominate the communities.

I've made a mishmash of this, but I think the bones are there.

[ernie1241]

How many of these Communist "goals" from 1963 can you find that are a reality today?

What's truely interesting is how many of them are part of the Democrat Party's national platform and are issues popular to the liberals and progressives?


This list of "Communist goals from 1963" actually originated with W. Cleon Skousen. Nobody has ever explained how the list was developed, i.e. who made the determinations and based upon what?

However, if you review FBI files about CPUSA activities in the United States, you will discover very lengthy serials in those files which contain very detailed summaries of meetings by senior Communist Party officials -- including their National Executive Committee. At these meetings, senior CPUSA officials discussed what they wanted to achieve -- what politicians to support or oppose, what legislation to favor or work against, what organizations to infiltrate and attempt to influence etc. Some of the FBI serials appear to be verbatim transcripts of these meetings - as though the FBI had bugged the meeting room at CPUSA HQ in New York. Other serials contain details which were provided by our two most important moles inside the Communist Party in our country -- the Childs brothers (Morris and Jack).

Significantly, when you review all of these FBI files to ascertain what Communist Party officials were interested in accomplishing --- the "Communist goals" list which Cleon Skousen created is not accurate. In addition, one has to define what is a "Communist" goal versus a non-Communist goal worthy of support. For example: if the CPUSA favors an increase in the minimum wage or enforcement of civil rights laws, does that make those "Communist" goals?

[jimnyc]

Welcome to DP, Ernie! :salute: