Is it just me, or....

[Pale Rider]

... do all the new members seem to be liberals?

Where's our new CONSERVATIVE members?

[Mr. P]

... do all the new members seem to be liberals?

Where's our new CONSERVATIVE members?

Seem to be for the most part.

[glockmail]

Loose and co must be calling them in. Or maybe the're the same person? Most sound nearly identical.

[Gaffer]

Loose and co must be calling them in. Or maybe the're the same person? Most sound nearly identical.

You noticed that too?

[manu1959]

stripey1 told me he invited them .....

[Pale Rider]

stripey1 told me he invited them .....

How long ago? Because they're still stragling in.

I think we need a new crop of conservatives.

[LiberalNation]

I was invited by cockySOB and then invited some other liberals. Lily would be one I believe.

[OCA]

I was invited by cockySOB and then invited some other liberals. Lily would be one I believe.

Cocky hangs out with children?

[LiberalNation]

No, liberal hangs out on political boards and meets people of all ages.

[glockmail]

Cocky hangs out with children? This place is getting polluted with libs. You still got your gun?

[Yurt]

I think it makes it fun.

:cheers2:

[glockmail]

I think it makes it fun.

:cheers2: Plinking?

[Yurt]

Plinking?

Sometimes, others, it is engaging to discuss things with those that don't share the same view point. In other words, "Debate Policy."

[OCA]

This place is getting polluted with libs. You still got your gun?

Its just a temporary thing and i'm dead serious on that. Of all the libs that have graced the two boards over the years very few have stuck around for any length of time, I think its the arena of ideas thing that throws them for a loop.

But just in case I don't have a gun but I have GUNS:laugh2:

[OCA]

I think it makes it fun.

:cheers2:

Yurt you are correct, it does make it fun but after a while the constant obfuscation they exhibit almost to a man gets a little frustrating.

[Yurt]

Yurt you are correct, it does make it fun but after a while the constant obfuscation they exhibit almost to a man gets a little frustrating.

Then ignore them. It makes the board go round. Makes it fun for all. There probably are many "viewers" who see the discourse and think, wow, want to join a board that has a healthy discussion/debate going on. If it is all one sided, then its like talking to yourself after awhile and to me, that gets boring. Not that I don't like hearing myself or hearing myself when I am right, or hearing others say: wow, you are right (huh), you are right; it is just I like counter viewpoints. It is a check and balance so to speak.

[CockySOB]

Cocky hangs out with children?

LOL! I could make some slams on my former abode-on-the-internet, but I'll refrain.

LN is OK in my book. She sometimes pisses me off with her bullheadedness and anti-authoritarian stances, but that stuff kinda goes with being young, now doesn't it?

Gotta remember OCA, I used to live on a "Librulls-R-Us" website populated by a few thinking liberals from both sides of the big pond, and the more common h. librullus Americanus in the vein of Rosie O'Donnell.

[lily]

I was invited by cockySOB and then invited some other liberals. Lily would be one I believe.

Yep!

[lily]

Cocky hangs out with children?

Hey......I'm older than Cocky and I've known him longer than Liberal Nation! Just wanted to get that in.:dance:

[lily]

Then ignore them. It makes the board go round. Makes it fun for all. There probably are many "viewers" who see the discourse and think, wow, want to join a board that has a healthy discussion/debate going on. If it is all one sided, then its like talking to yourself after awhile and to me, that gets boring. Not that I don't like hearing myself or hearing myself when I am right, or hearing others say: wow, you are right (huh), you are right; it is just I like counter viewpoints. It is a check and balance so to speak.

Wow, you are right.;)

[CockySOB]

Hey......I'm older than Cocky and I've known him longer than Liberal Nation! Just wanted to get that in.:dance:

Women just get finer with age! Just like fine wines!

:cheers2:

[lily]

Women just get finer with age! Just like fine wines!

:cheers2:

Don't 'ch just know it!:boobies:

[loosecannon]

Its just a temporary thing and i'm dead serious on that. Of all the libs that have graced the two boards over the years very few have stuck around for any length of time, I think its the arena of ideas thing that throws them for a loop.



because children ^ say the damndest things:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[Mr. P]

Don't 'ch just know it!:boobies:

Hey! Those don't get better, just errrr a bit lower.:poke:

[lily]

Damn.........you made me look!

[glockmail]

Sometimes, others, it is engaging to discuss things with those that don't share the same view point. In other words, "Debate Policy." Oh I agree 100%. I just can't stand the annoying ones, and most of them will never, ever, admit that they are wrong.

[glockmail]

Women just get finer with age! Just like fine wines!

:cheers2: A woman isn't truly sexy until she's hit 50 and is in awsome shape. Then you know she's a keeper. :laugh2:

[glockmail]

Hey! Those don't get better, just errrr a bit lower.:poke: That's the one aspect that does not get better with age. But... its a minor one compared to the others.

[LiberalNation]

I just can't stand the annoying ones, and most of them will never, ever, admit that they are wrong.
and I bet that's how most of the libs on this board feel about cons.

[CockySOB]

Oh I agree 100%. I just can't stand the annoying ones, and most of them will never, ever, admit that they are wrong.

And I'm trying to remember if you ever admitted being wrong yourself. Seriously glock, you come off sounding the same way. I wish I could say most of the time, but it's all of the time.

[glockmail]

And I'm trying to remember if you ever admitted being wrong yourself. Seriously glock, you come off sounding the same way. I wish I could say most of the time, but it's all of the time. When proven wrong, I have admitted it gracefully.

[CockySOB]

When proven wrong, I have admitted it gracefully.

Then I apologize for missing said exchanges. :cheers2:

[glockmail]

Then I apologize for missing said exchanges. :cheers2: :salute:

[lily]

I've pretty much figure that you get responded to the say way you respond. One good thing about being on this forum is the conservatives out number the liberals, so we get to pick and choose who we want to debate with. I also have to admit the wheel on my mouse is getting worn out from scrolling past a lot of posts, but when I do find one, it's enjoyable.

[diuretic]

I think it reflects what's happening on a wider front. The neo-cons - not true conservatives, but the neo-cons - are in disarray. Their arrogance is still there because they're blinded with hubris but there's not so many of them now. You'll see more and more people of a liberal persuasion on forums simply because they are growing in the majority. You may have to contact the Party and rally some new voices (it will be the same old shit of course) I think.

[glockmail]

I think it reflects what's happening on a wider front. The neo-cons - not true conservatives, but the neo-cons - are in disarray. Their arrogance is still there because they're blinded with hubris but there's not so many of them now. You'll see more and more people of a liberal persuasion on forums simply because they are growing in the majority. You may have to contact the Party and rally some new voices (it will be the same old shit of course) I think. You have invented an enemy (neocons) as well as a statistic (liberal majority).

[Nuc]

A woman isn't truly sexy until she's hit 50 and is in awsome shape. Then you know she's a keeper. :laugh2:

Damn straight!

[theHawk]

I think it reflects what's happening on a wider front. The neo-cons - not true conservatives, but the neo-cons - are in disarray. Their arrogance is still there because they're blinded with hubris but there's not so many of them now. You'll see more and more people of a liberal persuasion on forums simply because they are growing in the majority. You may have to contact the Party and rally some new voices (it will be the same old shit of course) I think.


But who are the real conservatives and who are the neo-cons?

[diuretic]

You have invented an enemy (neocons) as well as a statistic (liberal majority).

I need to know how I did that because if I want to replicate it somewhere else I bet I forget how it goes - any idea? :D

[diuretic]

I've pretty much figure that you get responded to the say way you respond. One good thing about being on this forum is the conservatives out number the liberals, so we get to pick and choose who we want to debate with. I also have to admit the wheel on my mouse is getting worn out from scrolling past a lot of posts, but when I do find one, it's enjoyable.

Yep I like them odds - makes it more fun (and they get to gang up on us which is only fair) :lol:

[lily]

Yep I like them odds - makes it more fun (and they get to gang up on us which is only fair) :lol:

Makes it more interesting.

[diuretic]

But who are the real conservatives and who are the neo-cons?

A damn good question.

I don't mind real conservatives, I share quite a lot in common with them in terms of philosophy (if there's anyone thinking about attacking me on that statement pause for a moment - you're seeing a forum nickname, not a person now just for a few seconds I'm going to reveal something about the person. Play nice please.) in such areas as freedom from unnecessarily intrusive government, in appreciating the worth of the individual and denouncing the treatment of individuals as mere instruments for the use of other, more powerful bodies or individuals, in allowing that individuals should have a maximum of personal freedom of thought and expression and that governments should only have enough power to get their job done, that any reach for excessive power is defeated at the ballot box.

When it comes to economics we can agree to disagree. My best friend is a conservative and we fight like cat and dog over politics but he stil invites me over for a beer (as long as I bring my own, tight bastard :lol: ).

So, yes, the Burkean conservatives I have much respect for.

The Neo-Cons - I wouldn't :pee: on one if they were on fire.

They are anti-democratic. They believe in the state above the individual. They prefer rule by the elite and the little folks like me (just an ordinary bloke working for a wage) can get out of the way. Many of them are ex-Trotskyists, ex hard left socialists and communists - in other words they're naturally inclined to authoritarianism and if they can get it, totalitarianism - who were sucked in by a brilliant politics lecture at the University of Chicago (Leo Strauss) and moved from the Stupid Left to the Stupid Right in the political spectrum.

Give me the Burkean conservatives any day.

[glockmail]

I need to know how I did that because if I want to replicate it somewhere else I bet I forget how it goes - any idea? :D No clue.

[diuretic]

Bugger it. Oh well, thanks anyway. Now I'll have to do that bloody annoying deconstruction thing to work it out. I hate that.

[Gunny]

I think it reflects what's happening on a wider front. The neo-cons - not true conservatives, but the neo-cons - are in disarray. Their arrogance is still there because they're blinded with hubris but there's not so many of them now. You'll see more and more people of a liberal persuasion on forums simply because they are growing in the majority. You may have to contact the Party and rally some new voices (it will be the same old shit of course) I think.

Growing majority? Or coming out of the closet where they've been hiding until they think libs have the upper hand?

Nothing like "fair weather" friends.

[diuretic]

Growing majority? Or coming out of the closet where they've been hiding until they think libs have the upper hand?

Nothing like "fair weather" friends.

Gunny you'd appreciate the meaning of the term "regroup" :salute:

[Gaffer]

A damn good question.

I don't mind real conservatives, I share quite a lot in common with them in terms of philosophy (if there's anyone thinking about attacking me on that statement pause for a moment - you're seeing a forum nickname, not a person now just for a few seconds I'm going to reveal something about the person. Play nice please.) in such areas as freedom from unnecessarily intrusive government, in appreciating the worth of the individual and denouncing the treatment of individuals as mere instruments for the use of other, more powerful bodies or individuals, in allowing that individuals should have a maximum of personal freedom of thought and expression and that governments should only have enough power to get their job done, that any reach for excessive power is defeated at the ballot box.

When it comes to economics we can agree to disagree. My best friend is a conservative and we fight like cat and dog over politics but he stil invites me over for a beer (as long as I bring my own, tight bastard :lol: ).

So, yes, the Burkean conservatives I have much respect for.

The Neo-Cons - I wouldn't :pee: on one if they were on fire.

They are anti-democratic. They believe in the state above the individual. They prefer rule by the elite and the little folks like me (just an ordinary bloke working for a wage) can get out of the way. Many of them are ex-Trotskyists, ex hard left socialists and communists - in other words they're naturally inclined to authoritarianism and if they can get it, totalitarianism - who were sucked in by a brilliant politics lecture at the University of Chicago (Leo Strauss) and moved from the Stupid Left to the Stupid Right in the political spectrum.

Give me the Burkean conservatives any day.



Interesting. Your description of neocons fits liberals to a tee.

[diuretic]

Interesting. Your description of neocons fits liberals to a tee.

Well done, that was a stunning refutation, stunning, got that from the 8th grade did you? Last week you say? :lol:

[Fountainhead]

But puhleeze do not call me the "N"-word ... a Neo-con !

There is no such thing as a Neo-con. It is simply a crass invective made-up to demonize and de-humanize a difference of opinion.

Using the N-word ... is like shouting "McCarthyism" in a crowded theatre. Free speech with evil intent.

[diuretic]

But puhleeze do not call me the "N"-word ... a Neo-con !

There is no such thing as a Neo-con. It is simply a crass invective made-up to demonize and de-humanize a difference of opinion.

Using the N-word ... is like shouting "McCarthyism" in a crowded theatre. Free speech with evil intent.

Don't get all coy on us - you know you used to like being called a Neo-Con, but now they're a bunch of whiney losers and to disavow any connection wth them....man up for crying out loud.