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Psychoblues
04-25-2007, 04:53 PM
There is no glory in this story. WTF happened?
By Julie Scelfo
Newsweek
Updated: 1:01 p.m. CT April 25, 2007
April 24, 2007 - Jessica Lynch became a national hero in 2003 after she was dramatically rescued by a team of Special Ops soldiers from an Iraqi hospital where she was believed to be a prisoner of war. Her story was compelling not only because she was a 19-year-old supply-unit clerk who had stumbled into an attack during convoy travel with her unit, but because she was portrayed by military authorities as having valiantly fought back against her attackers even as her unit was surrounded and her comrades were killed and injured. The legend quickly unraveled, however, after Lynch returned to the States, recuperated from her substantial injuries (broken arm and leg bones, damage to her back and kidneys, and a six-inch laceration to her head) and began to speak out about what had really happened. Today, Lynch testified before a House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing probing the source of misleading information about Lynch and about the death of Army Ranger Specialist Patrick Tillman in Afghanistan. NEWSWEEK's Julie Scelfo spoke with Lynch, who turns 24 on April 26, about her experiences.
More: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18297391/site/newsweek
Pat Tillman’s family is trying to find out as well. Who is bullshitting who?
Gaffer
04-25-2007, 05:43 PM
That article didn't say anything we don't already know.
manu1959
04-25-2007, 05:46 PM
That article didn't say anything we don't already know.
we is obvioulsy not them.....:laugh2:
glockmail
04-25-2007, 07:37 PM
That chick's a babe. :cheers2:
Kathianne
04-25-2007, 07:57 PM
That chick's a babe. :cheers2:
She may be, but why didn't she come out with this BEFORE the book tour? Truth is, nothing new here from her, other than the opportunity to appear before Congressional Committee. I knew about her sand-jammed weapon, that was covered in the aftermath.
TheStripey1
04-25-2007, 08:29 PM
She may be, but why didn't she come out with this BEFORE the book tour? Truth is, nothing new here from her, other than the opportunity to appear before Congressional Committee. I knew about her sand-jammed weapon, that was covered in the aftermath.
The point is that the government made her out to be a hero... she wasn't...
Do you think it's ok for the government to lie about how people are captured, in her case and how they die, in Pat Tillman's case?
Would you feel the same way about it, if Bill Clinton was still the president?
TheStripey1
04-25-2007, 08:30 PM
That chick's a babe. :cheers2:
true... but that doesn't make her a hero...
Kathianne
04-25-2007, 08:51 PM
The point is that the government made her out to be a hero... she wasn't...
Do you think it's ok for the government to lie about how people are captured, in her case and how they die, in Pat Tillman's case?
Would you feel the same way about it, if Bill Clinton was still the president?
Did they? Or did they just allow all the coverage of the 'poor little Appalacian girl rescued by the special forces?'
Gaffer
04-25-2007, 09:04 PM
As I said before the media took it and ran with it. The creative writers had a field day. So who do we fault first, the government or the media who made it all up to start with?
As I said before the media took it and ran with it. The creative writers had a field day. So who do we fault first, the government or the media who made it all up to start with?
hmmmmm the media had the cameras rolling when the troops went into "save" her.............wouldn't that have spoiled their surprise mission? I bought the story hook line and sinker until that showed up.
stephanie
04-25-2007, 09:46 PM
wrong thread...
manu1959
04-25-2007, 09:54 PM
hmmmmm the media had the cameras rolling when the troops went into "save" her.............wouldn't that have spoiled their surprise mission? I bought the story hook line and sinker until that showed up.
they have cameras rolling when they blow up vegetable stands and cut off peoples heads.....everyone buys that hook line and sinker...
they have cameras rolling when they blow up vegetable stands and cut off peoples heads.....everyone buys that hook line and sinker...
Um........yeah because there are news men there and camera phones. I don't think news men would be allowed on a rescue mission, do you? Would kinda blow the secret part of the mission.......hey but that's just me.
manu1959
04-25-2007, 10:05 PM
Um........yeah because there are news men there and camera phones. I don't think news men would be allowed on a rescue mission, do you? Would kinda blow the secret part of the mission.......hey but that's just me.
there were cameras present when they got saddam....anything can be faked....hell people still think the moon landing was faked....
MtnBiker
04-25-2007, 10:07 PM
Um........yeah because there are news men there and camera phones. I don't think news men would be allowed on a rescue mission, do you? Would kinda blow the secret part of the mission.......hey but that's just me.
Can only news personal use a camera?
there were cameras present when they got saddam....anything can be faked....hell people still think the moon landing was faked....
Now you've got me confused.......are you saying that the whole thing with Lynch was faked? Ok......well, except for her testimony.
Can only news personal use a camera?
Obviously not. So what are you trying to say......that all these special forces went in and they had one extra man to take pictures? Seems like a waste to me, but then maybe that's not what you are trying to say?
Gaffer
04-25-2007, 10:15 PM
Those were films from helmit camera's worn by the special ops guys. Not media film. They went in prepared for a fight and were as surprised as everyone that there were no bad guys there. Just cause they didn't take her out in a hail of bullets doesn't mean the operation was any less dangerous. As I recall there was a doctor who made repeated trips up to the American lines to inform them of where she was and that they had to act quick because she was going to be moved. He risked his life to get her rescued.
There were others in her convoy that were taken prisoner when she was. No mention is ever made of them.
manu1959
04-25-2007, 10:17 PM
Now you've got me confused.......are you saying that the whole thing with Lynch was faked? Ok......well, except for her testimony.
no...you were implying it was faked.....spec ops has cams in their helmets....they turned that video over to the press...press made here a hero....she feels guilty.....there really isn't a story here....
MtnBiker
04-25-2007, 10:21 PM
Video from missions are very usefull for evaluation and future training purposes. The ablility for military forces to incorporate cameras on the battle field is much accessable with new technologies.
Those were films from helmit camera's worn by the special ops guys. Not media film.
Thank you gaffer, I didn't know that.
. As I recall there was a doctor who made repeated trips up to the American lines to inform them of where she was and that they had to act quick because she was going to be moved. He risked his life to get her rescued.
Yes.
There were others in her convoy that were taken prisoner when she was. No mention is ever made of them.
If my memory serves me correctly, they were found in an abandoned house that someone told them about.
Video from missions are very usefull for evaluation and future training purposes. The ablility for military forces to incorporate cameras on the battle field is much accessable with new technologies.
Yes, gaffer explained it.
no...you were implying it was faked.....spec ops has cams in their helmets....they turned that video over to the press...press made here a hero....she feels guilty.....there really isn't a story here....
Well....actually there is, because no one except for her said it wasn't the way it happened. I'll give the press half the blame for all of this, but not the entire blame.
manu1959
04-25-2007, 11:03 PM
Well....actually there is, because no one except for her said it wasn't the way it happened. I'll give the press half the blame for all of this, but not the entire blame.
so everyone but her said that xyz happened and they are all liars and she is telling the truth?
so everyone but her said that xyz happened and they are all liars and she is telling the truth?
Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little when I said nobody except for her. If I recall correctly, this happened at the same time Abu Ghraib and yes we needed a hero, even if it was manufactered. It still doesn't make it right. Also she said this really screwd up her life. Either way, it you slice it was a lie.
Psychoblues
04-26-2007, 03:46 AM
No exaggeration, lily, maybe a misinterpretation or even a misunderstanding but you did not tell a lie which is exaggeration only by default.
Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little when I said nobody except for her. If I recall correctly, this happened at the same time Abu Ghraib and yes we needed a hero, even if it was manufactered. It still doesn't make it right. Also she said this really screwd up her life. Either way, it you slice it was a lie.
How about this, lily? Pvt. Lynch testified that her nurses with white flags waving tried to give her to the American forces but were shot at without question. The Iraqi doctor treating her said a couple years ago that he asked the American commander why they had knocked his doors down and trashed his hospital. The doors were not locked, there were no Iraqi military, other than patients, in the area and there was no opposition whatsoever in the areas of the hospital and for many miles around.
It was a sucker punch for the Iraqis, the recsuers and the American people. The real liars and exaggerators are trying to make it something else.
glockmail
04-26-2007, 07:48 AM
Did they? Or did they just allow all the coverage of the 'poor little Appalacian girl rescued by the special forces?' I have no problem with the military using a little propaganda now and then to sway public opinion. The enemy, the media and Hollywood, et al do it all the time, and usually get away with it.
theHawk
04-26-2007, 07:50 AM
The Iraqi doctor treating her said a couple years ago that he asked the American commander why they had knocked his doors down and trashed his hospital. The doors were not locked, there were no Iraqi military, other than patients, in the area and there was no opposition whatsoever in the areas of the hospital and for many miles around.
You're kidding right? You actually believe that a commando unit on a rescue operation are going to just walk in calmly, knock on the door, and ask nicely where she was? How on hell are those troops supposed to know there was no Iraqi military there? For all they knew it could of been a trap and an ambush.
If special forces have a target in a building, they will knock down every door and tell everyone they see to get on the floor and they will keep their guns pointed at them at all times.
You obviously have never been in the military.
Little-Acorn
04-26-2007, 11:11 AM
She may be, but why didn't she come out with this BEFORE the book tour?
She did.
I recall scenes where she was in a military hospital bed, saying something like "All I did during the entire battle, was curl up on my knees on the floor of the vehicle trying to un-jam my gun, and praying."
She was honest and straightforward about it, every chance she got. And she pointed out repeatedly, that she was no hero.
All the current "controversy" is coming from people with carefully short memories trying to pretend something scandalous is going on, somebody lied, we've been maliciously deceived, etc.
And you saps are lapping it up.
Sometimes I fear for my country. But not due to anything the military said or did.
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:24 AM
Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little when I said nobody except for her. If I recall correctly, this happened at the same time Abu Ghraib and yes we needed a hero, even if it was manufactered. It still doesn't make it right. Also she said this really screwd up her life. Either way, it you slice it was a lie.
where is the lie in these events ...
her unit was ambushed
she was captured
she was rescued
she will be rich and set for life .... her price was small .... the media made her a hero .... if the lie is anyone’s it is theirs ....
Kathianne
04-26-2007, 12:38 PM
She did.
I recall scenes where she was in a military hospital bed, saying something like "All I did during the entire battle, was curl up on my knees on the floor of the vehicle trying to un-jam my gun, and praying."
She was honest and straightforward about it, every chance she got. And she pointed out repeatedly, that she was no hero.
All the current "controversy" is coming from people with carefully short memories trying to pretend something scandalous is going on, somebody lied, we've been maliciously deceived, etc.
And you saps are lapping it up.
Sometimes I fear for my country. But not due to anything the military said or did.
Actually this is a non-story, which I remember:
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/04/media_lynch_mob.html
...
This USA Today article from July of 2003 is a hint. It states:
Lynch had been mythicized during the war. An initial report in The Washington Post said Lynch had killed several Iraqis. Later, government officials said she had killed no one.
The fact is it wasn't "later" that the government warned against this fight-to-the-death story line, it was at the time of the initial reporting by the media. And as the USA Today article has correctly identified, The Washington Post did run the story first:
'She Was Fighting to the Death'
Details Emerging of W. Va. Soldier's Capture and Rescue
By Susan Schmidt and Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 3, 2003; Page A01
Pfc. Jessica Lynch, rescued Tuesday from an Iraqi hospital, fought fiercely and shot several enemy soldiers after Iraqi forces ambushed the Army's 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, firing her weapon until she ran out of ammunition, U.S. officials said yesterday.
Lynch, a 19-year-old supply clerk, continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds and watched several other soldiers in her unit die around her in fighting March 23, one official said. The ambush took place after a 507th convoy, supporting the advancing 3rd Infantry Division, took a wrong turn near the southern city of Nasiriyah.
"She was fighting to the death," the official said. "She did not want to be taken alive." Lynch was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in on her position, the official said, noting that initial intelligence reports indicated that she had been stabbed to death. No official gave any indication yesterday, however, that Lynch's wounds had been life-threatening
Several officials cautioned that the precise sequence of events is still being determined, and that further information will emerge as Lynch is debriefed. Reports thus far are based on battlefield intelligence, they said, which comes from monitored communications and from Iraqi sources in Nasiriyah whose reliability has yet to be assessed. Pentagon officials said they had heard "rumors" of Lynch's heroics but had no confirmation. [emphasis added]
So let's get this straight, The Washington Post single-sourced this story from one official that they couldn't even identify. Ask yourself why they couldn't identify a military official praising a soldier. Is that really a secret? This isn't a whistle blower or Bush Administration insider. It would more than likely be an officer or NCO at the tactical operations center if this person existed.
So why couldn't The Washington Post name the source? The answer is obvious; because the reporters don't even know who it was, or if the incident even occurred. It sounds very much like one person's ruminations in passing, chatting about rumors from unofficial sources. Then The Washington Post ran with the information despite army officials warning them about the veracity of such rumors. And this is the military's fault? Are you kidding me?
Isn't the media supposed to be superior to citizen journalists because of all the editorial safeguards and fact checking? But yet in this reporting, one unidentified source who may indeed be a fiction - a literary device to whom to attribute overheard conversation - trumped the military spokesperson. I challenge The Washington Post to identify this source so that this person can be questioned in the current proceedings.
Gaffer
04-26-2007, 08:00 PM
As i said the creative writers went to work. This has nothing to do with the military and everything to do with the media. Another prime example of media sensationalism.
Samantha
04-26-2007, 10:03 PM
As i said the creative writers went to work. This has nothing to do with the military and everything to do with the media. Another prime example of media sensationalism.Incorrect. The military lied. Here is an example of what they said in 2003.
Her brother, Greg Lynch, said military officials told the family his sister had "multiple wounds" and that both her legs had been broken as a result of gunshots. Military officials said she was in stable condition.
She was not shot.
During the raid early Wednesday, members of rescue team fought their way into the hospital, found Lynch and fought their way out.
Green-cast night scope video provided by U.S. Central Command showed troops carrying Lynch from the hospital and onto an Black Hawk helicopter
A man taken into custody during the assault led U.S. troops to 11 corpses -- nine in a "grave area" and two in a morgue -- said U.S. Central Command briefing officer Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks in Doha, Qatar.
Officials have not yet confirmed whether any of the bodies were those of soldiers from Lynch's unit, said Central Command spokesman Capt. Frank Thorpe.
Despite the barrage of hostile gunfire entering and leaving Saddam Hospital, there were no coalition casualties among the rescue team, Brooks said.
"It takes a brave bunch of people to risk their own lives to go in and free a hostage," said Gregory Lynch Sr. "We didn't even know she was captured, you know. Last we knew she was just missing in action."
There was no firefight.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/02/sprj.irq.lynch.rescue/index.html
She did.
I recall scenes where she was in a military hospital bed, saying something like "All I did during the entire battle, was curl up on my knees on the floor of the vehicle trying to un-jam my gun, and praying."
She was honest and straightforward about it, every chance she got. And she pointed out repeatedly, that she was no hero.
All the current "controversy" is coming from people with carefully short memories trying to pretend something scandalous is going on, somebody lied, we've been maliciously deceived, etc.
And you saps are lapping it up.
Sometimes I fear for my country. But not due to anything the military said or did.
You know, I understand where you are coming from. I fear for this country too, but I don't think for the same reasons as you do.
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:06 PM
You know, I understand where you are coming from. I fear for this country too, but I don't think for the same reasons as you do.
there is no reason to fear for this country....we will retreat.....we will do as we are told.....we have proven we have no stomache to stand up for what we believe in....we get to sit back and watch now....
where is the lie in these events ...
her unit was ambushed
she was captured
she was rescued
she will be rich and set for life .... her price was small .... the media made her a hero .... if the lie is anyone’s it is theirs ....
her unit was ambushed........and she fought them all off
she was captured.........and safe, complete with medical treatment and someone coming to tell the military where she was.
she was rescued.......with a bit of overkill, but it made a good story.
the media made her a hero .... if the lie is anyone’s it is theirs ....well, Samantha already beat me to the links.
As I already stated, this was done at a time when we really needed some good news. How are you suppose to belive when something truly good does happen, rely on these other sources?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1130-07.htm
As i said the creative writers went to work. This has nothing to do with the military and everything to do with the media. Another prime example of media sensationalism.
Would that be the same liberal media the right seems to complain about all the time?
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:15 PM
Would that be the same liberal media the right seems to complain about all the time?
liberal media is redundant.....:poke:
there is no reason to fear for this country....we will retreat.....we will do as we are told.....we have proven we have no stomache to stand up for what we believe in....we get to sit back and watch now....
mmmmm ok. Don't know what this has to do with the topic at hand, but mmmmm ok.
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:18 PM
her unit was ambushed........and she fought them all off
she was captured.........and safe, complete with medical treatment and someone coming to tell the military where she was.
she was rescued.......with a bit of overkill, but it made a good story.
the media made her a hero .... if the lie is anyone’s it is theirs ....well, Samantha already beat me to the links.
As I already stated, this was done at a time when we really needed some good news. How are you suppose to belive when something truly good does happen, rely on these other sources?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1130-07.htm
so my facts are correct...
the military's first info was as sam posted..the video came out from the military and corrected the initial reports....still don't see the issue here.....
you act like someone drove a car into a creek and someone died.....then lied about it
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:20 PM
mmmmm ok. Don't know what this has to do with the topic at hand, but mmmmm ok.
iguess it has to do with this quote:....
You know, I understand where you are coming from. I fear for this country too, but I don't think for the same reasons as you do.
so my facts are correct...
Well actually no they are not, but if you don't see it by now, I guess there's no use in going on.
the military's first info was as sam posted..the video came out from the military and corrected the initial reports....still don't see the issue here.....
Well actually no they are not, but if you don't see it by now, I guess there's no use in going on.
you act like someone drove a car into a creek and someone died.....then lied about it
Another nice dodge, no pun intended.
iguess it has to do with this quote:....
You know, I understand where you are coming from. I fear for this country too, but I don't think for the same reasons as you do.
Which was in reply to Gaffer's post which was on topic.
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:31 PM
Which was in reply to Gaffer's post which was on topic.
well aren't we snippy tonight.....if your post was on topic and mine was in response to yours about fear for the country how am i suddenly off topic if i am discussing fear for the country....
it would appear you want to argue about something else
[QUOTE=manu1959;47529]well aren't we snippy tonight.....
Sugar high. I found some left over jelly beans and I'm diabetic.
if your post was on topic and mine was in response to yours about fear for the country how am i suddenly off topic if i am discussing fear for the country....
'Cuz I like this topic.
manu1959
04-26-2007, 11:56 PM
[QUOTE]
Sugar high. I found some left over jelly beans and I'm diabetic.
'Cuz I like this topic.
ok then....there is a dog in the fight on tillaman's gig....jessica's not so much....
Fountainhead
04-27-2007, 02:10 AM
... by a rabid Democrat-controlled Congress.
Someone PLEASE explain WHY 4 year old "news" is relevant today ?
What ? Hundreds of Thousands of my tax dollars are being spent "exposing" the "truth" about little Jessica ? Dudes ! the "truth" about Jessica was written in TIME magazine FOUR YEARS AGO !!!!!!!!! And it only cost $ 1.25 at the newsstand.
Are the Democrats trying to "Swiftboat" this innocent little POW ?
Fine, fine ... I guess we're "even" now. Sheesh.
Bush's made-for-TV Iraq heroine is just as phoney as John Kerry's home-movie of a Viet Cong capture.
Yawn.
diuretic
04-27-2007, 05:07 AM
... by a rabid Democrat-controlled Congress.
Someone PLEASE explain WHY 4 year old "news" is relevant today ?
What ? Hundreds of Thousands of my tax dollars are being spent "exposing" the "truth" about little Jessica ? Dudes ! the "truth" about Jessica was written in TIME magazine FOUR YEARS AGO !!!!!!!!! And it only cost $ 1.25 at the newsstand.
Are the Democrats trying to "Swiftboat" this innocent little POW ?
Fine, fine ... I guess we're "even" now. Sheesh.
Bush's made-for-TV Iraq heroine is just as phoney as John Kerry's home-movie of a Viet Cong capture.
Yawn.
That is really sad. Is that the best you've got? Let me explain so you get it:
This isn't about Jessica, this is about a lying DoD, that's why the story is around the world right now. The story isn't about Lynch's rescue, it's about the lies.
Some posts here have blamed the media (the "liberal" media that the right whines about incessantly) for glorifying Lynch and for peddling lies. Hello? Does no-one at the DoD read the newspaper, watch tv or listen to the radio?
"Oh look, the liberal media have printed a story about Lynch being a heroine in Iraq! What shall we do?"
"Let me see that. Oh heavens above! How could they get it so wrong! We must correct this story immediately before it becomes as total embarrassment for the government! Rush to the media people, get this story straightened out now before it does damage in a few years time! We must stop it now!"
You don't care because you live in Bubbleworld I suppose but the rest of the world is looking at your government and shaking its collective head. And I read garbage such as I've read here from posters who put the Party above anything else and who are slavishly repeating right wing talking points without so much as a blush.
... by a rabid Democrat-controlled Congress.
I'm not sure which rabid Democrat-controlled Congres you are referring to, the one that was in power when this happend, oooppps not Democrats or the one that is investingaing this? If it's the latter then I really hope you know that there are both parties on the oversight committee. So make sure you spread that anger around.
Someone PLEASE explain WHY 4 year old "news" is relevant today ?
What ? Hundreds of Thousands of my tax dollars are being spent "exposing" the "truth" about little Jessica ? Dudes ! the "truth" about Jessica was written in TIME magazine FOUR YEARS AGO !!!!!!!!! And it only cost $ 1.25 at the newsstand.
I suppose if there was no oversight or if questions were actually answered while this no oversight was in power, then we wouldn't have to be doing this now, it would have already been taken care of.
Are the Democrats trying to "Swiftboat" this innocent little POW ?
You're joking, right?
Fine, fine ... I guess we're "even" now. Sheesh.
Yep, its' all a game.:tinfoil:
Bush's made-for-TV Iraq heroine is just as phoney as John Kerry's home-movie of a Viet Cong capture.
Not exactly, but if it helps you sleep better at night.:salute:
Birdzeye
04-27-2007, 11:06 AM
Are the Democrats trying to "Swiftboat" this innocent little POW ?
You mean they're trying to smear her reputation the way the smearboat vets tried to smear Kerry's? I must have missed that part.
TheStripey1
04-27-2007, 03:07 PM
there is no reason to fear for this country....we will retreat.....we will do as we are told.....we have proven we have no stomache to stand up for what we believe in....we get to sit back and watch now....
Actually, manu, there are many here who had the intestinal fortitude to stand up when they were called... just as there are many who didn't bother...
Psychoblues
04-27-2007, 11:19 PM
Americans will stand up, tigger. And they will stand up proudly.
Actually, manu, there are many here who had the intestinal fortitude to stand up when they were called... just as there are many who didn't bother...
As far as those that don't or won't stand up, I seriously doubt their leadership, their patriotism and I forever am concerned with their intentions. The neocons are the most suspect in the group I most distrust.
diuretic
04-28-2007, 12:21 AM
Americans will stand up, tigger. And they will stand up proudly.
As far as those that don't or won't stand up, I seriously doubt their leadership, their patriotism and I forever am concerned with their intentions. The neocons are the most suspect in the group I most distrust.
As someone said, "the Marines are at war, America is at the mall". But never discount the work being done by the 101st Keyboarders and their derivative the Dvorak Brigade (special keyboard ops). They are fighting the good fight in their own "special" way. :laugh2:
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