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Little-Acorn
04-22-2010, 04:20 PM
Remember the actual sequence of events that destabilized the various lending institutions?

Here's a summary:

The Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA, or "Fannie Mae") was created in 1938 during the Great Depression, to create a market for mortgages where they could be bought and sold.

In 1968, Lyndon Johnson and a Democratic Congress spun off Fannie Mae so that it would not show up in the Federal budget. But the Federal govt was always there, ready to bail out Fannie Mae if problems happened. This enables Fannie Mae to offer lower rates for the mortgages it bought, since it was not taking the risks that other banks and institutions had to. In 1970, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation ("Freddie Mac") was formed, to create competition for Fannie Mae, since ordinary banks could NOT compete with the government-backed rates they offered.

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was passed by a Democrat Congress and signed by Jimmy Carter in 1977. It made sure banks were lending to people of all colors and income levels. But things quickly began going off the rails, as activist groups found a new weapon in the law: The could start suing lenders for discrimination if they didn't lend to enough minority families, regardless of the families' ability to pay the loans back as promised. Banks began making riskier and riskier loans for fear of having to fight expensive lawsuits.

Community groups began bullying the banks, especially one called the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now ("ACORN"). It hired several specialized lawyers, including a young man named Barack Obama, to teach its employees how to go to the homes of bank CEOs and senior officers, harassing and publicly embarrassing them while remaining within the limits of local law to avoid prosecution. At one point, ACORN brought a lawsuit against a thrift merger in Illinois, insisting that the lending institutions had not made as many loans to minorities as ACORN thought they should. The bank replied that such loans would be financially irresponsible, and would put ALL the bank's customers at unacceptable risk. ACORN prevailed in court, and banks began making more and more risky loans to home buyers who could have never qualified for those loans under ordinary circumstances.

In late 2000, in the last days of the Clinton administration, the government ordered Fannie and Freddie to increase the numbers of these risky ("sub-prime") mortgages they were buying from banks and lending institutions across the country. They did, lowering their rates and buying more and more, until fully half their portfolios consisted of these risky sub-prime mortgages, combined and packaged in various ways.

The Bush administration raised red flags starting in April 2001. Their 2002 Budget Request declared that the size of mortgage giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae is "a potential problem" because financial trouble in either one of them "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets".

In 2003, the White House warning about Fannie and Freddie, was upgraded to a "Systemic Risk that could spread beyond just the housing sector".

As Fannie and Freddie continued to lower their rates and buy mortgages, lenders made more and more mortgages to buyers with questionable ability to pay, safe in the knowledge that they could immediately turn around and sell the mortgages to the government-sponsored Fannie and Freddie, thus avoiding any consequences if the loans were later defaulted. They were happy to make more and more such mortgages, collecting fees for each and selling the mortgages to F&F.

Countrywide Financial chairman Angelo Mazzillo literally started screaming at Wall Street Journal editor Paul Gigot, when Gigot asked him about the wisdom of making so many loans to buyers unlikely to pay them back. Mazzillo insisted loudly that Gigot had no idea what he was talking about, did not understand the first thing about mortgage lending, etc., etc. He failed, however, to answer any of Gigot's questions in even the simplest terms or explain why they were "wrong".

In Fall 2003, the Bush Admin was pushing Congress hard to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise Fannie and Freddie, both Government Sponsored Entities, or GSEs.

At a Congressional hearing on Sept 10, 2003, John Snow, Secretary of the Treasury stated: "We need a strong, world-class regulatory agency to oversee the prudential operations of the GSE's, and the safety and soundness of their financial activities."

At that same hearing, ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee Barney Frank (D-MA) defended his practices with regard to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not in a crisis."

Frank said the Fed Govt should be encouraging F&F to do more to get low-income families into homes:
"The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up a possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury - which I do not see, I think we see entities which are fundamentally sound financially and can withstand some of the disaster scenarios - the more pressure there is there, then the less I think we see in terms of 'affordable housing' ".

The top executives at F&F began cooking their books, exaggerating their sales in their quarterly reports, so that the company officials could claim they had met their companies' sales targets, and thus collect huge salary bonuses. They were finally caught in 2004. Several of them stepped down, but none was every punished, or even charged. One of them, Franklin Raines, CEO of Fannie Mae, later gave financial and housing advice to the campaign of Presidential contender Barack Obama.

At a House Financial Services Committee Hearing on Feb. 17, 2005, Alan Greenspan warned against one of the fundamental ideas of modern liberalism, the idea of putting all our eggs in one basket by concentrating financial activity into just a few big agencies in central government: "... Enabling these institutions to increase in size - and they will once the crisis in their judgment passes - we are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk."
He later added at another hearing on on April 6, 2005: "If we fail to strengthen GSE regulation, we increase the possibility of insolvency and crisis."

Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) ignored any possibility the F&F might be in trouble at that hearing, and simply pointed to the advantages some people had gotten from the government's activities: "I think Fannie and Freddie ... are an intrinsic part of making America the best-housed people in the world... if you look over the last 20 or whatever years, they have done a very, very good job."
Schumer also complained, "Things are good in the housing market. Why are people entertaining radical change?"

On April 7, 2005, Treasury Secretary John Snow warned again: "These large portfolios, unchecked in their growth over the last decade or so, pose a real problem." The Senate Banking Committee adopted strong regulation that would have prevented Fannie and Freddie from acquiring these bad mortgages. All of the Republicans on the committee voted for it, and all the Democrats voted against it, and it passed out of the committee on a straight party-line vote. But Democrats then filibustered the bill on the Senate floor, preventing it from being brought to a vote.

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae was active in making campaign contributions to politicians, from money that ostensibly was for low-income mortgages. The top two recipients were:

Christopher Dodd (D-CT): $165,000
Barack Obama (D-IL): $126,000

The highest-receiving Republican was Bob Bennett (R-UT), who got $108,000. Further down the list was John McCain (R-AZ), who accepted $25,000.

On May 25, 2006 in the Senate, John McCain (R-AZ) sounded more warnings over the huge size and lack of discipline in the government companies, and sponsored a bill to regulate the companies more firmly: "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market... the GSEs need to be reformed without delay." McCain's bill was voted out of committee on a straight party-line vote: All Republicans voted for it, and all Democrats voted against. Democrats then announced they would filibuster the bill in the Senate, as they had the previous year's regulatory legislation. Republicans knew they did not have enough votes to achieve the 60% needed, and so never brought the bill to the Senate floor.

By the beginning of 2008, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had bought up over $4 trillion in mortgages, roughly one-quarter of which was risky sub-prime mortgage paper. With interest rates rising, these rickety homeowners started defaulting on their loans. Only about 2% of them defaulted by January 2008, but the effect was disastrous. Banks began to get leery of lending money to each other, knowing that their fellow banks held substantial assets that might default and become worthless, thus making the banks unable to pay back their loans to each other.

Banks and lending institutions began collapsing or seeking emergency help: Countrywide Financial, Lehman Brothers, insurer AIG, Bear Stearns, IndyMac bank, etc. buckled to their knees as paralysis spread. The huge numbers of risky subprime mortgages, had become like a "poison pill" that choked the institutions that had swallowed them. The Fed finally took over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, but the damage had long been done.

Congress appropriated nearly $1 trillion in emergency funds to loan to, or otherwise prop up, failing financial institutions. But none of the original legislation that had spurred decades of risky lending, has been repealed in all the "bailout" frenzy, and there are no bills pending to do so.

darin
04-22-2010, 04:25 PM
This just made my facebook feed. :)

Little-Acorn
04-22-2010, 04:34 PM
What's a facebook feed?

darin
04-22-2010, 04:38 PM
Status update on my facebook profile - linked to this thread.

Little-Acorn
04-22-2010, 04:41 PM
Status update on my facebook profile - linked to this thread.

Ummm...

What's a facebook profile?

And what's a status update on same?

Sorry if I'm not up on some new fad. Life's too short sometimes.

darin
04-22-2010, 05:20 PM
Nevermind...facebook is a tool of the devil.

cat slave
04-23-2010, 01:29 AM
It baffles me how people have so much time to waste playing those idiot
games on Facebook!

Back to the thread, yes, RSR, the CRA is exactly where this nightmare started
compliments of the federal government.

Well done.

KarlMarx
04-23-2010, 04:49 AM
This is why that the among the *first* items of business on the next session of Congress's agenda should be to privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, repeal the CRA, and to publicly indict, try, and convict, among others, (a very long and very filthy set of epithets removed here) Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and others for their role in this financial meltdown.

I also see the likelihood of impeachment proceedings against Barak Obama increasing with the next Congress. That guy has too many skeletons in his closet.

Republicans must do a better job at showing the public just what kind of underhanded criminals the Democrats are. If we don't hamstring the Democrats within the next few years... it's game over for America.

revelarts
04-23-2010, 12:34 PM
ANd now for the REST of the story..

BANKS ARE CROOKS TOO (please read too as meaning as well as the dem.)


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If we continue to believe that the only problem in this country are the democrats we'll never fix this crap. Some of the LARGE Banks are CROOKS.


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And please don't tell me Ratigan is against the tea parties, (he's wrong about that yes OK OK ) but check the facts About this subject, Ron Paul has been telling us the same thing for years in a much more polite way.


Big Banks being caught in misleading investors again...
this time cooking the books a lil-bit

Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304830104575172280848939898.html?m od=WSJ_Markets_MIDDLETopNews)

Major banks have masked their risk levels in the past five quarters by temporarily lowering their debt just before reporting it to the public, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

A group of 18 banks—which includes Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc.—understated the debt levels used to fund securities trades by lowering them an average of 42% at the end of each of the past five quarterly periods, the data show. The banks, which publicly release debt data each quarter, then boosted the debt levels in the middle of successive quarters.

Excessive borrowing by banks was one of the major causes of the financial crisis, leading to catastrophic bank runs in 2008 at firms including Bear Stearns Cos. and Lehman Brothers. Since then, banks have become more sensitive about showing high levels of debt and risk, worried that their stocks and credit ratings could be punished.

That practice, while legal, can give investors a skewed impression of the level of risk that financial firms are taking the vast majority of the time.

"You want your leverage to look better at quarter-end than it actually was during the quarter, to suggest that you're taking less risk," says William Tanona, a former Goldman analyst who now heads U.S. financials research at Collins Stewart, a U.K. investment bank.

Though some banks privately confirm that they temporarily reduce their borrowings at quarter's end, representatives at Goldman, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan and Citigroup declined to comment specifically on the New York Fed data. Some noted that their firm's financial filings include language saying borrowing levels can fluctuate during the quarter.

"The efforts to manage the size of our balance sheet are appropriate and our policies are consistent with all applicable accounting and legal requirements," a Bank of America spokesman said....



http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1933-Derivative-Fraud-Where-Are-OUR-Cops.html

Derivative Fraud? Where Are OUR Cops?

I have long written about The Bezzle in the financial system and that we must get it out of the system if we are to have something approaching real, verifiable and sustainable economic growth.

So far we have seen no interest in that from the regulators in this country, probably because they're well-aware that this would mean revoking some banking licenses and putting a lot of very well-connected people out of "business."

Where does it end in this country folks? There's more than enough evidence that "a river (of corruption) runs through it" - "it", of course, being our economic and banking system. Look at the update this morning out of "Biggovernment" related to the story I discussed yesterday with the AIG "takeunder" by The NY Fed:.....


....But Barofsky is not enough and a few show trials to appease the proletariat won't solve the problem. The issues are structural and must be fixed, not papered over nor will offering up a few sacrificial lambs resolve a thing. Indeed such appeasement simply adds more instability to an already dangerous situation.

We have 50 State Attorney Generals and we allegedly have a federal Attorney General as well. There are more than enough cops to investigate the edifices and artifices that have been put forward by the so-called "financial system" in the name of "innovation" that, I believe, have in fact been nothing more than sophisticated equity and wealth-stripping schemes.

The housing market implosion laid bare upon the table The Bezzle, since there was simply not enough "slop" left in the system to hide it any more. As the layers of the onion have been peeled back we have found more and more instances where "products" were not structured for any reasonable economic benefit of the person or entity that was supposedly "helped", but rather as a means of stripping off funds through concealment of material facts either intentionally or through impenetrable complexity. So-called "CDOs" and "CDO^2s" were sold with thousands of pages of documentation "behind" them - a literal impossibility to read and understand before the "investor" plopped down his or her money. When these blew up it became apparent that the so-called "credit quality" contained in these securities not only didn't exist in the present it never existed - yet those little letters "AAA" were relied upon as representing credit quality equivalent to that of the United States Federal Government.

It's all BS folks and that we do not currently have literal dozens of Grand Juries empaneled to investigate and hand up indictments against the "titans of financial industry" on downward is an outrage....

WALL St. is a problem and Dems supposedly trying to do good is a problem too, both are nailing the middle class and the poor.

cat slave
04-25-2010, 10:30 AM
The banks were ordered from WA to give loans whether the borrower could
show that they stood a good chance of paying it back.

The banks are in the loan business to turn a profit..ie interest. They just
figured out how to cover their butts and make $$.
Thats what they do and is certainly less offensive than FM and FM administrating the dictates of the CRA/WA pushed by Dodd, Fwank, and their
ilk.

Privileges come with responsibility. The privilege of owning a home requires
such things as....jobs, decent credit history and full intent on being responsiible
for the mortgage. When did "down payments" stop being a done deal????

They signed the papers. It was legal though tainted with the odor of social
enginerring yet again committed by the government....they sought out loans
and signed on the dotted line. Its no ones fault but their own if they didnt
ask what "balloon" or adjustable rates meant...just WA was gonna see that
they had a house no matter what. They were untitled and now they qualify
for forclosure and or bankruptcy which if I understand it such a thing would
allow them to walk away with most of what they owe and little repercussion.

Their credit would be dinged? Most of those people had no credit to begin
with so who cares?

9 years ago I found this house. We had a long paid for property near
Nashville. We were going to have to get a loan to run us till the Nashville
property sold. We put down 25% down payment. I called banks and asked
what kind of loans are out there (then), I learned about interest only gigs,
found out what "balloons" were, adjustable rate loans......then went to a
near by bank, got a conventional loan, the other house sold and we paid
off the loan with lightning speed. Done. We qualified for the loan, paid
a down payment, signed the papers with knowledge of what else was out
there. We quickly closed on the other property and on the way went by
the loan company and paid the present house off.

Whats wrong with this picture? Why are the banks evil and investors putting theri $$ on the line when the real devil incarnate get away with it
all. And dont think Dodd and Co didnt profit big time. Apparenly it was not
enough for Fwank to get him mouth fixed....meow!!!!!!

People need to get over the idea that anyone else owes them a damn thing!

cat slave
04-25-2010, 10:41 AM
If we continue to believe that the only problem in this country are the democrats we'll never fix this crap. Some of the LARGE Banks are CROOKS.


Maybe they are not what we would have hoped they were but the dems sure
as hell are wreaking havoc on everything and breaking our country.

Government is the queen bee, with everyone else being subject to her and
working for the continued grossly distorted "queen".

I think GOV is THE problem. Not Pubs, not Dems...well maybe recently, yes,
recently, hold claim to the atrocities of all that is being perpertrated on us and
our kids and their kids etc.

For the Pubs to regain control is the only hope of even beginning to put
government back into the hands of the people. While they are also guilty
of much, Ill bet they will remember the elections and the Tea Parties and
the crashed phone lines....were not going to accept business as usual.

Impeachment for Osama would be great and Im sure there is much fuel for
that fire.

Abbey Marie
04-25-2010, 01:54 PM
Little Acorn, did you write the OP? If not, we need you to post a link to the article/author and trim the actual post to around three paragraphs. Thanks.

Btw, I agree with the points made 100% It is truly galling.

Little-Acorn
04-25-2010, 07:06 PM
Little Acorn, did you write the OP?
Yes. It's a summary I made, from several segments of a video I found on the net.

I always credit my sources for any quotes or articles.

Know what's funny? Sometimes some of the more flaming lefties ask me if I wrote something, and when I tell them Yes, they insist I couldn't have written it, because it's too well done, and I'm just a dumb conservative.

These people will do or say ANYTHING to avoid discussing the actual subject.

HogTrash
04-25-2010, 07:38 PM
Because the people who voted for him are ignorant enough to believe it...Typical Obama voters are not exactly rocket surgeons.

Abbey Marie
04-25-2010, 09:58 PM
Yes. It's a summary I made, from several segments of a video I found on the net.

I always credit my sources for any quotes or articles.

Know what's funny? Sometimes some of the more flaming lefties ask me if I wrote something, and when I tell them Yes, they insist I couldn't have written it, because it's too well done, and I'm just a dumb conservative.

These people will do or say ANYTHING to avoid discussing the actual subject.

Nice job! :clap:

HogTrash
04-25-2010, 10:17 PM
Yes. It's a summary I made, from several segments of a video I found on the net.

I always credit my sources for any quotes or articles.

Know what's funny? Sometimes some of the more flaming lefties ask me if I wrote something, and when I tell them Yes, they insist I couldn't have written it, because it's too well done, and I'm just a dumb conservative.

These people will do or say ANYTHING to avoid discussing the actual subject.I have had this exact same problem on several occasions.

It kind of gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside, doesn't it L-A?

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