2nd Amendment controlled by UN??

[SassyLady]

I got this in an email - does anyone know if there is any validity to it?


While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing, and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.

IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.

Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth?

What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING.

As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here...

Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter!
Silence will lead us to Socialism!

[Binky]

I don't know whether or not it's true. Wish I did. Anyway.........my heart is pumping so quickly I can barely catch my breath. I hope to God this isn't true. But in all honesty, this has been my biggest fear over the last two years.

My family has no intentions of giving up any weapons. I have a sneaky suspicion we aren't the only ones.

And to think our president is in bed with all those that want to put us in the ground. It sickens me and turns my stomach into knots. I guess he's always had a control over us plan since he was a young man......

[Mr. P]

I got this in an email - does anyone know if there is any validity to it?

I received the same e-mail early this week.

If signed by the POTUS it will be a valid treaty, the law of the land, and enforceable by the Gov. and international law. Clearly a backdoor gun control move even though the false target is weapons dealers.

There is a process before the treaty is sent to the Prez. that involves congress. That makes this November the MOST important month so far this century. IMO

[SassyLady]

I received the same e-mail early this week.

If signed by the POTUS it will be a valid treaty, the law of the land, and enforceable by the Gov. and international law. Clearly a backdoor gun control move even though the false target is weapons dealers.

There is a process before the treaty is sent to the Prez. that involves congress. That makes this November the MOST important month so far this century. IMO

Mr. P - if this president signs it, can the next administration void it?

[Mr. P]

Mr. P - if this president signs it, can the next administration void it?

I think so..I've read treaties can be rescinded unless it is written in the treaty that it can't be rescinded. There is a process to that too. I think it follow the same process as the consent of the senate to do so.

[Insein]

Anything can be repealed. Somethings are just harder to get rid of then others. Thats why we have to stop what we can while we can. Repeal is much harder.

[Little-Acorn]

I received the same e-mail early this week.
I've been getting that email for three months, over and over.


If signed by the POTUS it will be a valid treaty,
Incorrect. No treaty is valid unless ratified by the Senate.


the law of the land,
Incorrect. No treaty that contradicts the Constitution, is valid. The Constitution supersedes any and all treaties that do not agree with it.


and enforceable by the Gov.
Bzzzzztt.....

[Mr. P]

I've been getting that email for three months, over and over.


Incorrect. No treaty is valid unless ratified by the Senate.


Incorrect. No treaty that contradicts the Constitution, is valid. The Constitution supersedes any and all treaties that do not agree with it.


Bzzzzztt.....

It's all correct.

[82Marine89]

From my cold, dead fingers...

[SassyLady]

I've been getting that email for three months, over and over.


Incorrect. No treaty is valid unless ratified by the Senate.


Incorrect. No treaty that contradicts the Constitution, is valid. The Constitution supersedes any and all treaties that do not agree with it.


Bzzzzztt.....

Then why sign the treaty?

[SpidermanTUba]

I got this in an email - does anyone know if there is any validity to it?

2nd amendment doesn't cover international trade.

[sybarite]

There are about 80 million gun owners in America with a combining total of 258 million guns. Many of these people will not give up their guns willingly. The government would be looking at a massive blood bath, me included. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!!

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[SpidermanTUba]

There are about 80 million gun owners in America with a combining total of 258 million guns. Many of these people will not give up their guns willingly. The government would be looking at a massive blood bath, me included. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!!

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What the fuck are you babbling about?

[sybarite]

What the fuck are you babbling about?

Apparently you did not read, (you do know how to read?) the article from the OP so I'll walk you through it:

"OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.

IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR!

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States."

If you have further problems with your reading comprehension skills there are private tutors that can help you.

[HogTrash]

I got this in an email - does anyone know if there is any validity to it?I don't know whether this report is true or not but I do know that the UN has been trying for many years to disarm American citizens.

[HogTrash]

It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever if any treaties or laws are ratified or passed by the the UN, the Congress, the Senate, POTUS or Supreme Court.

Any law or treaty that is contrary to the Constitution of the United States is unlawful and any government official who supports it is guilty of failing to uphold their oath to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, as is any military personel or law enforcement officer who tries to enforce it.

In other words, you are within your constitutional rights as an American citizen to shoot to kill anyone you consider a threat to your life who is physically attempting to deprive you of your 2nd Amendment rights and federal agents are required by their federal oath to arrest any government official who proposes or supports such legislation.

[Little-Acorn]

Then why sign the treaty?

Because some politicians in this country (mostly those of the southpaw persuasion) would like to see the country run a certain way. And the fact that the Constitution forbids most of it, is of no concern to them. They regard the Constitution, not as a framework on which to model the U.S. government, but instead as an obstacle to be gotten around.

Their intention is to promote ever more dependence on central government. Whether for economic advantage, routine day-to-day decisionmaking, self-defense, or any other normal activity. This is 180 degrees different from the intention of the Constitution, which is to restrict the central government only to a few functions that lower government, or private individuals or groups, CANNOT handle. Article I Section 8 has a handy list, and there are a few others listed elsewhere in the document. And it includes a way to add more Federal powers, but the states or the people must approve any such changes, or they get tossed out.

These big-government advocates will use any method that works - that is, any method they can get away with, unconstitutional or not. Approving a treaty and hoping they can fool people into thinking it supersedes the Constitution itself, is one of them. The list of duplicitous maneuvers is long and well-exercised.

Hope this helps...... :eek:

[Little-Acorn]

any government official who supports it is guilty of failing to uphold their oath to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic

HT, HT, HT......

When the big-govt advocates took that oath, they lied.

Clearer now?

[HogTrash]

HT, HT, HT......

When the big-govt advocates took that oath, they lied.

Clearer now?It doesn't matter that they lied, it only matters that We The People take it seriously enough to defend our constitutional rights from the evil forces of the world who would deprive us of them.

If we allow a rogue government or the United Nations to nullify the Constitution our forefathers created, then we don't deserve the freedom so many have sacrificed and died to pass down to us.

It is our responsibility to pass this sacred document and the freedom it represents in it's entirity to the next generation, which is our children...I personally don't wish to be the weak link in the chain.