Why illegal immigration happens

[gabosaurus]

I have been looking to some way to explain the basics of why illegal aliens cross the border. I got what I wanted in an e-mail from my cousin Dahlia, who works against an advocate and representative for those have trouble doing so. Dahlia is the daughter of an immigrant (most likely illegal), my aunt.

There is a factory south of Los Angeles that processes food. It is a really dirty, undesirable job that pays poorly and doesn't have the best safety record. About two years ago, the factory's almost entirely (legal) Mexican work force got together and requested better wages and working conditions. Not through unionization, but through negotiations. The company responded by firing everyone and replacing them with illegals.
Over the next year or so, the company was busted twice for hiring illegals. Both times, they paid a fine and went back to business. An executive declared that the company would go bankrupt if it had to pay prevailing wages.

This is not unusual. There are actual legal companies that supply day labor to companies. Pay them a fee and they look the other way.

Law enforcement officials say they do not have time to check out every business to see if everyone is legal. State politicians have only stated that the situation "is a problem."

So how is more at fault? The person looking for a paycheck? Or the people who supply the paychecks?

[Mr. P]

I have been looking to some way to explain the basics of why illegal aliens cross the border. I got what I wanted in an e-mail from my cousin Dahlia, who works against an advocate and representative for those have trouble doing so. Dahlia is the daughter of an immigrant (most likely illegal), my aunt.

There is a factory south of Los Angeles that processes food. It is a really dirty, undesirable job that pays poorly and doesn't have the best safety record. About two years ago, the factory's almost entirely (legal) Mexican work force got together and requested better wages and working conditions. Not through unionization, but through negotiations. The company responded by firing everyone and replacing them with illegals.
Over the next year or so, the company was busted twice for hiring illegals. Both times, they paid a fine and went back to business. An executive declared that the company would go bankrupt if it had to pay prevailing wages.

This is not unusual. There are actual legal companies that supply day labor to companies. Pay them a fee and they look the other way.

Law enforcement officials say they do not have time to check out every business to see if everyone is legal. State politicians have only stated that the situation "is a problem."

So how is more at fault? The person looking for a paycheck? Or the people who supply the paychecks?

Two are guilty...
The US Government for leaving the borders wide open.
The Mexican Government for providing crossing infomation an supplies.

[manu1959]

wrong.....if mexico was a nice place to live and work they would stay there...

[CockySOB]

I have been looking to some way to explain the basics of why illegal aliens cross the border. I got what I wanted in an e-mail from my cousin Dahlia, who works against an advocate and representative for those have trouble doing so. Dahlia is the daughter of an immigrant (most likely illegal), my aunt.

There is a factory south of Los Angeles that processes food. It is a really dirty, undesirable job that pays poorly and doesn't have the best safety record. About two years ago, the factory's almost entirely (legal) Mexican work force got together and requested better wages and working conditions. Not through unionization, but through negotiations. The company responded by firing everyone and replacing them with illegals.
Over the next year or so, the company was busted twice for hiring illegals. Both times, they paid a fine and went back to business. An executive declared that the company would go bankrupt if it had to pay prevailing wages.

This is not unusual. There are actual legal companies that supply day labor to companies. Pay them a fee and they look the other way.

Law enforcement officials say they do not have time to check out every business to see if everyone is legal. State politicians have only stated that the situation "is a problem."

So how is more at fault? The person looking for a paycheck? Or the people who supply the paychecks?

The government is guilty of not securing our borders, and not prosecuting businesses who hire illegals to the full extent under the law. Government is also guilty of not passing tougher legislation aimed at increasing the penalties for businesses who hire illegals.

The illegals are guilty of... well... crossing into the country illegally, using public resources paid for by the taxpayers for the use of American citizens or legal guests, and most are guilty of identity fraud, tax evasion, etc. as related to not being in the country legally.

Both are to blame.

[gabosaurus]

Two are guilty...
The US Government for leaving the borders wide open.
The Mexican Government for providing crossing infomation an supplies.
:clap:

And for making life in Mexico almost unlivable.

[Yurt]

So how is more at fault? The person looking for a paycheck? Or the people who supply the paychecks?

So who is more at fault, the person buying drugs or the person selling drugs?

[gabosaurus]

So who is more at fault, the person buying drugs or the person selling drugs?

Buying and selling drugs is a LOT different that feeding your family. DOH! :lame2:

[Pale Rider]

Buying and selling drugs is a LOT different that feeding your family. DOH! :lame2:

What if buying and selling drugs is how they feed their family?

[manu1959]

Buying and selling drugs is a LOT different that feeding your family. DOH! :lame2:

breaking the law is different than feeding you family as well.....why do the mexicans leave mexico and break US law to come here?....is life in america so much better than than mexico....mexico is a wonderfully tollerant accepting patient society that takes care of it's poor and accepts all immigrants with open arms...plus the weather is better....whya would anyone want to come to the evil united states that lies cheats and steals....

[gabosaurus]

WTF are you trying to prove with that statement? If you don't know why Mexicans cross the border, you need to spend about a week in Mexico.

[manu1959]

WTF are you trying to prove with that statement? If you don't know why Mexicans cross the border, you need to spend about a week in Mexico.

i have lived in mexico.....so we agree it is mexicos fault .... why don't they fix this....

[Trigg]

I have been looking to some way to explain the basics of why illegal aliens cross the border. I got what I wanted in an e-mail from my cousin Dahlia, who works against an advocate and representative for those have trouble doing so. Dahlia is the daughter of an immigrant (most likely illegal), my aunt.

I for one am not interrested in WHY they cross the border or for that matter fly in and don't leave. It has nothing to do with racism since many of those escorted out come from eastern european countries as well.

Ok, they come here for a better life. So did my ancesters, the difference is they came legally.

People who come here illegally and don't pay their medical bills are putting hospitals in California out of business, they're also causing overcrowded and underfunded school systems.

Mexico doesn't care because they're getting rid of the poor in their society, why should they help stem the flow???

Our gov. needs to start fining the companies who hire and supply illegals with a hefty fine not just a slap on the wrist.

[Hobbit]

Mexico won't fix the problem because neither American politicians nor Mexican citizens have the balls to make them.

[5stringJeff]

There is plenty of blame to go around.

The US government is partially at fault for not securing our borders (one of the most fundemental duties of any government), and for not enforcing the laws that illegals should not be hired by American employers.

American employers are partially at fault for hiring illegals, and thereby creating a demand for their cheap labor. The US gov't ought to come down hard on such companies.

The Mexican government is partially at fault for creating such a shithole country, then trying to smuggle their citizens over here to send money back to Mexico.

But, the one who bear the most blame for illegal immigration is the illegal aliens!!!

[gabosaurus]

But, the one who bear the most blame for illegal immigration is the illegal aliens!!!

Clueless much? :lol:

[5stringJeff]

Clueless much? :lol:

It's called personal responsibility. Just because an armored car is left open doesn't mean someone can steal the money inside without consequence.

[gabosaurus]

It is difficult to have "personal responsibility" if your family is starving. Too many ConRep detractors have zero idea what it is like to be genuinely desperate. They would rather sit on their high horses and criticize. It is ridiculously asinine.

[Pale Rider]

It is difficult to have "personal responsibility" if your family is starving. Too many ConRep detractors have zero idea what it is like to be genuinely desperate. They would rather sit on their high horses and criticize. It is ridiculously asinine.

OK, next time I'm broke I'll just hop on down to the nearest bank and rob it. I will expect them to let me keep the money and not press charges, because hey, "I was hungry."

[Hagbard Celine]

OK, next time I'm broke I'll just hop on down to the nearest bank and rob it. I will expect them to let me keep the money and not press charges, because hey, "I was hungry."

Most illegals are seeking work, not hand-outs, so what's the big deal?

[Pale Rider]

Most illegals are seeking work, not hand-outs, so what's the big deal?

The answer is in your question.... "illegals." They're criminals. Why reward them for breaking our laws?

[Nukeman]

Clueless much? :lol:Care to elaborate on this statement or dont you have a valid argument to back up. The ILLEGAL ALIENS, by the very nature of the act of coming to the US ILLEGALY are the most guilty. How can you not understand this simple concept.

I would also mention that not only do they come here illegaly theydrive illegaly (no license), they rent an apartment illegaly(too many people), they work illegaly(no taxes), and they dont pay medical bills, which is believe it or not also illegal.

Yet you continue to defend a group of people that are throwing our LEGAL system of immigration in the face of every person that came here legaly and properly..

look outside your little glass house and live in the real world moron....

[5stringJeff]

It is difficult to have "personal responsibility" if your family is starving. Too many ConRep detractors have zero idea what it is like to be genuinely desperate. They would rather sit on their high horses and criticize. It is ridiculously asinine.

So if their family is starving in Mexico, that's the problem of 1) that family, and 2) the Mexican government. Not my problem, not America's problem.

[MtnBiker]

It is difficult to have "personal responsibility" if your family is starving. Too many ConRep detractors have zero idea what it is like to be genuinely desperate. They would rather sit on their high horses and criticize. It is ridiculously asinine.

There are hungry people all over the world. Does this give them a right to enter another sovereign country illegally?

Does the state of hungry allow people rights?

[Gunny]

It is difficult to have "personal responsibility" if your family is starving. Too many ConRep detractors have zero idea what it is like to be genuinely desperate. They would rather sit on their high horses and criticize. It is ridiculously asinine.

And I doubt YOU have any idea what it's like, so lay off the bleeding heart crap. Being poor sucks, but it is no excuse for criminal behavior.

[Pale Rider]

Most illegals are seeking work, not hand-outs, so what's the big deal?

Not so, most illegals are on welfare. You like supporting criminals out of your own pocket?

[Gunny]

Not so, most illegals are on welfare. You like supporting criminals out of your own pocket?

They can't be denied medical treatment. Guess who's pocket THAT comes from? They collect cash for a paycheck and don't pay taxes. Guess who foots that bill?

Their kids go to our public schools at ... you guess it ... our expense.

They're destroying our social infrastructure and the bleeding hearts don't even have enough sense of self-preservation to want to stop it.

[Kathianne]

It is difficult to have "personal responsibility" if your family is starving. Too many ConRep detractors have zero idea what it is like to be genuinely desperate. They would rather sit on their high horses and criticize. It is ridiculously asinine.
My guess is that many in Darfur and in Bosnia would be happy to come here. So should we open the gates? If so, why? Remember we must act in our own self interests. If Not, why?

[MtnBiker]

My guess is that many in Darfur and in Bosnia would be happy to come here. So should we open the gates? If so, why? Remember we must act in our own self interests. If Not, why?

What about the millions of hungry in North Korea? should they come here too?

[Kathianne]

What about the millions of hungry in North Korea? should they come here too?

and that fits into our own self interest how?

[MtnBiker]

and that fits into our own self interest how?

It would make us feel good about ourselves.

[Kathianne]

It would make us feel good about ourselves.

how and why?