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SpidermanTUba
08-24-2010, 07:29 PM
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/08/new_orleans_cops_say_they_got.html


Anyone who gave or followed such an order should be jailed for life and if death resulted they should get the needle.


In the chaotic days after Hurricane Katrina, an order circulated among New Orleans police authorizing officers to shoot looters, according to present and former members of the New Orleans Police Department.

It's not clear how broadly the order was communicated. Some officers who heard it say they refused to carry it out. Others say they understood it as a fundamental change in the standards on deadly force, which allow police to fire only to protect themselves or others from what appears to be an imminent physical threat.

darin
08-25-2010, 07:17 AM
Sometimes I think looking should be a shoot-able offense.

I find it funny - not to change the subject - how the looters/criminals get the sympathy of liberals and those trying to do their best to enforce order, law, and sanity are vilified. Sometimes that vilification makes sense - there were actually Law Enforcement folks CONFISCATING legally-owned weapons of the citizens. Course, the Left doesn't find any outrage over that...(shrug)

SpidermanTUba
08-25-2010, 09:33 AM
Sometimes I think looking should be a shoot-able offense.
Wow. That's hard core. Sins of the mind kind of offense. Very Biblical.

Dude I love you avatar BTW. That's hilarious.


I find it funny - not to change the subject - how the looters/criminals get the sympathy of liberals and those trying to do their best to enforce order, law, and sanity are vilified. Sometimes that vilification makes sense - there were actually Law Enforcement folks CONFISCATING legally-owned weapons of the citizens. Course, the Left doesn't find any outrage over that...(shrug)

Although there were many weapons confiscated by police, they did not conduct door to door weapons confiscations like some media reported. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking food and water and other items necessary for one's survival in an emergency of such proportions. There was a guy at the Convention Center going around looting baby formula for all the women with babies - according to you he should have been shot dead on sight without a trial, that's fucked.

darin
08-25-2010, 10:24 AM
Although there were many weapons confiscated by police, they did not conduct door to door weapons confiscations like some media reported. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking food and water and other items necessary for one's survival in an emergency of such proportions. There was a guy at the Convention Center going around looting baby formula for all the women with babies - according to you he should have been shot dead on sight without a trial, that's fucked.


You know there were no door-to-door confiscations? Or you assume it didn't happen? ANY confiscation in ANY capacity is a violation of liberty - and the constitution. It should not be tolerated.

re: the baby formula issues. My only answer? You're stupid. Your point doesn't even make anything CLOSE to rational sense. We are all now stupider for having read it, and my god have mercy upon your soul.

SpidermanTUba
08-25-2010, 10:53 AM
You know there were no door-to-door confiscations? Or you assume it didn't happen?

There's no direct evidence that it did. During the aftermath of the levee breaches numerous rumors circulated throughout the media, most of which had no direct evidence of being true. The media reported there were several murders and deaths at the Superdome, when in truth there were 4 deaths, 3 by natural causes, 1 by suicide, no murders. After a man in algiers was arrested for illegal discharge of a firearm in the vicinity of an overhead helicopter, the media reported armed men were firing at rescue helicopters all over the city. Yet to this day not a single helicopter crewman has claimed that he or she was actually in a helicopter and saw someone shooting at them. The list goes on.

Point is I'm not going to believe something that happened based solely on hearsay.


ANY confiscation in ANY capacity is a violation of liberty - and the constitution. It should not be tolerated.


That's not entirely true. Its perfectly legal to confiscate a firearm that is evidence to a crime - for instance, illegal discharge of a firearm in public means the cops can take your weapon, or possession of a concealed weapon without a permit. Certainly the police are allowed to confiscate any weapons you are holding when they arrest you.

The thing that I'm fairly certain did happen is the police did not return firearms that were legally confiscated at the time, but still rightfully the owners. For instance, if you're picked up on a curfew violation in legal possession of a firearm, they can obviously take your gun, but they have to give it back to you when you get out of jail.




re: the baby formula issues. My only answer? You're stupid. Your point doesn't even make anything CLOSE to rational sense.
Why doesn't it? You want looters shot on sight, so you want the baby formula guy shot on sight, right?

darin
08-25-2010, 10:55 AM
^^^ You're blatantly lying now. I never said that. You're stuck on stupid.

SpidermanTUba
08-25-2010, 10:59 AM
^^^ You're blatantly lying now. I never said that. You're stuck on stupid.

Didn't you say

Sometimes I think looking should be a shoot-able offense.


Do you actually trust the police to make a life or death determination of what kind of looting is allowed on the spot? Looting a plasma TV - shoot to kill. Looting baby formula - A -OK. Looting tennis shoes - shoot-to-kill, unless the looter's own shoes have fallen apart from walking around in flood debris, but then only of the shoes aren't too expensive.

MtnBiker
08-25-2010, 12:30 PM
I wonder if the police can be trusted by what kind of looking is allowed before they shoot.

namvet
08-25-2010, 05:48 PM
http://i30.tinypic.com/qxpith.jpg

to bad they didn't get him

revelarts
08-26-2010, 09:12 AM
the Good cops are heroes, the ones that DID refuse the "shot looters" order. those guys are the best of the best. Staying up for days trying to help people. you can't give out awards that cover that.

But the dirty flip side are the bad cops,
shooting looters? when does looting ever deserve a death sentence?
the cops should never have taken peoples guns.
and now the blue shield comes up to protect the bad cops. NOt allowing public viewing of the police actions.

"The officer who shot the video, Lt. Sandra Simpson, would not permit reporters to see the complete recording. New Orleans police officials have said that they do not consider the tape a public record and that it is thus up to Simpson whether to allow the tape to be viewed."

what do they mean it's not public. did the public pay them to do the job, were they following orders? Or did they shoot people of their own accord. "Off the clock". i don't know what he means.

darin
08-26-2010, 10:57 AM
Didn't you say


Do you actually trust the police to make a life or death determination of what kind of looting is allowed on the spot? Looting a plasma TV - shoot to kill. Looting baby formula - A -OK. Looting tennis shoes - shoot-to-kill, unless the looter's own shoes have fallen apart from walking around in flood debris, but then only of the shoes aren't too expensive.

But I didn't say the bullshit you made up. (shrug).

If somebody is trying to loot my house, I'd shoot to protect it. I think I should have no fear of prosecution. If Looters are trying to steal from others, and won't listen to a 'stop' command from LE? Shoot them.

(shrug)

DragonStryk72
08-26-2010, 10:18 PM
Didn't you say


Do you actually trust the police to make a life or death determination of what kind of looting is allowed on the spot? Looting a plasma TV - shoot to kill. Looting baby formula - A -OK. Looting tennis shoes - shoot-to-kill, unless the looter's own shoes have fallen apart from walking around in flood debris, but then only of the shoes aren't too expensive.

Actually, looting for baby formula is useless, since, um, women produce breast milk which is better for the kid, and they have on hand, well chest?

darin
08-27-2010, 06:05 AM
1949
1950
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...and the most-important fact on looting...

Looting takes place because the criminals CAN...not because they MUST.

They loot because they are low-class criminals...not hard-working folk trying to feed their family. Nobody needs to loot a TV...or a case of beer...

revelarts
08-27-2010, 07:46 AM
Looting after 9-11
http://whistleblowers.nonprofitsoapbox.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=201&Itemid=81

full storry
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=127225


AP Enterprise: 9/11 thefts not prosecuted

June 16, 2006, By MARGARET EBRAHIM and PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writers

As firefighters searched for survivors after the Sept. 11 attacks, heat from the World Trade Center's smoldering ruins burned the soles off their boots. They needed new ones every few hours, and Chris Christopherson made sure they got them.

The disaster specialist was proud to dispatch replacement boots from the Long Island warehouse of a company paid by the government to manage rescue supplies donated by Americans. Then came the moment that crushed Christopherson's faith.

His employer dispatched trucks to the warehouse and loaded hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of donated bottled water, clothes, tools and generators to be moved to Minnesota in a plot to sell some for profit, according to government records and interviews.

Dan L'Allier said he witnessed 45 tons of the New York loot being unloaded in Minnesota at his company's headquarters. He and Christopherson complained to a company executive, but were ordered to keep quiet. They persisted, going instead to the FBI.

The two whistleblowers eventually lost their jobs, received death threats and were blackballed in the disaster relief industry. But they remained convinced their sacrifice was worth seeing justice done.

Sadly, there where also report of some police and firemen stealing computers from ground zero.

revelarts
08-27-2010, 08:25 AM
Looting after 9-11
Sadly, there where also report of some police and firemen stealing computers from ground zero.

here's a link for some conformation:
http://www.lifewhile.com/news/1407421/detail.html

krisy
08-27-2010, 01:00 PM
Last time I checked,a plasma tv wasn't essential in surviving the aftermath of a hurricane:wtf:

I could cut people some slack for looting food or other essentials,(especially if they have children)but we all know damn good and well that a lot of them were looting a heck of a lot more than that. It was party hardy time for some of them.

SpidermanTUba
08-27-2010, 08:26 PM
But I didn't say the bullshit you made up. (shrug).

If somebody is trying to loot my house, I'd shoot to protect it. I think I should have no fear of prosecution. If Looters are trying to steal from others, and won't listen to a 'stop' command from LE? Shoot them.

(shrug)

Its a completely different situation when its an occupied dwelling.

Sorry but being deaf and stealing food and water to live isn't sufficient cause for summary execution, unless you believe in fascism. The cops may use physical force to protect property but they may not use deadly force unless their lives or others' lives are threatened.

SpidermanTUba
08-27-2010, 08:28 PM
Last time I checked,a plasma tv wasn't essential in surviving the aftermath of a hurricane:wtf:

I could cut people some slack for looting food or other essentials,(especially if they have children)but we all know damn good and well that a lot of them were looting a heck of a lot more than that. It was party hardy time for some of them.

What percentage were looting to survive vs. looting out of greed? You seem to know damn good and well about it, so lets have it.

SpidermanTUba
08-27-2010, 08:29 PM
Actually, looting for baby formula is useless, since, um, women produce breast milk which is better for the kid, and they have on hand, well chest?

I'm sure women make tons of breast milk when they haven't have food or water for days. Especially the ones that are dead or missing. You're real smart.

SpidermanTUba
08-27-2010, 08:30 PM
1949
1950
1951

...and the most-important fact on looting...

Looting takes place because the criminals CAN...not because they MUST.

They loot because they are low-class criminals...not hard-working folk trying to feed their family. Nobody needs to loot a TV...or a case of beer...


Prove that this generalization applies to all looters.

krisy
08-28-2010, 08:32 AM
What percentage were looting to survive vs. looting out of greed? You seem to know damn good and well about it, so lets have it.

O.K.,I t don't think there were polls taken of the looters. You don't know for a FACT anymore than I do how many were looting non essentials compared to how many were looting food,baby formula. I do know what I saw on the news for days was a bunch of hoodlems taking t.v.s etc. They should know BETTER than to behave like that in that horrible situation. Criminals.

Gaffer
08-28-2010, 08:43 PM
Most were looting out of greed. They were taking advantage of a disaster situation for personal benefit. I have no problem with them being shot. If they are getting food and necessary things from a grocery store I have no problem with that. The food can be used by many people and would just rot anyway. So folks should help themselves there.