I believe .....

[actsnoblemartin]

Islam should be banned in the united states, and we should not take any more muslims.

I believe if we dont do this, we will continue down our spiral of turning into a islamic state with sharia law, like europe

anyone with 1 eye and half a brain knows the real warlike history of islam. It has nothing to do with peace, it has to do with war, lies, and conquest.

Dont believe me, look it up!

[Noir]

Sure, who needs a constitution.

[actsnoblemartin]

i would rather be alive with a piece of paper that is used to protect us, then dead with a piece of paper that was used to murder us

[actsnoblemartin]

i love how the constitution is treated like jesus christ, and jesus christ is treated like porn

im sorry, where do those inalienable rights come from again?

government, er thanks for playing, try again

ill give you a hint

G....O....D

[Noir]

i would rather be alive with a piece of paper that is used to protect us, then dead with a piece of paper that was used to murder us

To quote Franklin "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

You may be happy to toss your freedoms away. Luckly, those in power are not so kneen.

[actsnoblemartin]

He never had islam declare war on the u.s.

tired old cliques are meaningless

I want islamization of the united states to stop, I dont want a victory mosque

arent u sick to see what is happening in the u.k.

muslims are taking it over

doesnt that sicken you?


To quote Franklin "Those who would give up essential Libertyto purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

You may be Bally to toss your freedoms away. Luckly, those in power are not so kneen.

[actsnoblemartin]

those in power, are a bunch of fools, who think they know better then everyone else

thats why we have poverty in so many u.s. states, because its a one party system in those states, where no politician is held accountable, and even the politicians sons take over

and the people are too stupid too see it


To quote Franklin "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

You may be happy to toss your freedoms away. Luckly, those in power are not so kneen.

[Noir]

i love how the constitution is treated like jesus christ, and jesus christ is treated like porn

im sorry, where do those inalienable rights come from again?

government, er thanks for playing, try again

ill give you a hint

G....O....D

George Carlin deals with this quite well imo so I'll pass over to him- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F1Lq1uFcAE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Noir]

He never had islam declare war on the u.s.

tired old cliques are meaningless

I want islamization of the united states to stop, I dont want a victory mosque

arent u sick to see what is happening in the u.k.

muslims are taking it over

doesnt that sicken you?

Martin, I don't know what you're on, but I suggest you stop with it, it's probably illegal and will be bad for your health in the long run :3

[Pagan]

Islam should be banned in the united states, and we should not take any more muslims.

I believe if we dont do this, we will continue down our spiral of turning into a islamic state with sharia law, like europe

anyone with 1 eye and half a brain knows the real warlike history of islam. It has nothing to do with peace, it has to do with war, lies, and conquest.

Dont believe me, look it up!

Sorry, but like I stated in the other thread I spent 10 years of my life and went to war defending that so called "Out Dated Document". Makes me ill how readily people like yourself are so willing to wipe your collective ass's with it. Face it, you're in the same class as those zealots strapping bombs to themselves with the goal of taking us back to the Dark Ages.

[Pagan]

those in power, are a bunch of fools, who think they know better then everyone else

thats why we have poverty in so many u.s. states, because its a one party system in those states, where no politician is held accountable, and even the politicians sons take over

and the people are too stupid too see it

Maybe holding them accountable to the rule of law, you know the U.S. Constitution instead of being suckered by them and supporting them with their goal of invalidating it.

[actsnoblemartin]

my point is not that the constitution is meaningless

but to say, it cannot be changed even when it is being used against us, to our detriment is foolish

but to say, I am the same as al queda is quite absurd and has no basis in reality

oh, and It is because of people like you that I and others can say the smartest, stupidest and everything in between

thank you, from the bottom of my heart

sorry you think im going to cut off someone's head, or blow myself up, but overall you seem like a nice enough lad


Sorry, but like I stated in the other thread I spent 10 years of my life and went to war defending that so called "Out Dated Document". Makes me ill how readily people like yourself are so willing to wipe your collective ass's with it. Face it, you're in the same class as those zealots strapping bombs to themselves with the goal of taking us back to the Dark Ages.

[actsnoblemartin]

to me, without enforcement a law is meaningless.

without supporting what the spirit of the constitution which I thought was enemies foreign and domestic


Maybe holding them accountable to the rule of law, you know the U.S. Constitution instead of being suckered by them and supporting them with their goal of invalidating it.

[actsnoblemartin]

I dont want to invalidate the constitution, but why cant it ever be amended to protect us?




Maybe holding them accountable to the rule of law, you know the U.S. Constitution instead of being suckered by them and supporting them with their goal of invalidating it.

[Dante]

not true


...islam declare war on the u.s.


not true.

[Gaffer]

I dont want to invalidate the constitution, but why cant it ever be amended to protect us?

It doesn't need to be, it just has to be followed.

[Noir]

I dont want to invalidate the constitution, but why cant it ever be amended to protect us?

Erm, it's been amended 17 times, which is why it now has freedoms against slavery ect.

But if you really wana trash the 1st then the US just isn't the country for you.

[avatar4321]

As I said elsewhere, if religious freedom was sucessfully banned, I would be for secession.

[Noir]

It doesn't need to be, it just has to be followed.

But Martin doesn't want it to be followed, he wants congress to pass laws which restrict what religions can and can't be followed.

[actsnoblemartin]

so one man declared war on another country based on the verses in his book where he could say see it says kill the non believer.

Guess its not allowed to be critical of a so called holy book and who said, people cant be critical of judaism or christianity or any religion?

[actsnoblemartin]

so banning islam might be a little extreme, give me your idea about how to handle this situation

Touche Noir

Carlin is right

:laugh:

[actsnoblemartin]

noir it was an idea, and apparently a preety bad one.
How does anyone learn, if they arent willing to be wrong, and say you know what, I fucked up, my bad

seriously :laugh:

[DragonStryk72]

Islam should be banned in the united states, and we should not take any more muslims.

I believe if we dont do this, we will continue down our spiral of turning into a islamic state with sharia law, like europe

anyone with 1 eye and half a brain knows the real warlike history of islam. It has nothing to do with peace, it has to do with war, lies, and conquest.

Dont believe me, look it up!

Ah, so to hell with the Constitution and religious freedom?

[DragonStryk72]

so one man declared war on another country based on the verses in his book where he could say see it says kill the non believer.

Guess its not allowed to be critical of a so called holy book and who said, people cant be critical of judaism or christianity or any religion?

Was Bush's reasons for invading Iraq any better? We can't sacrifice our integrity to fight this enemy, and unfortunately, we keep doing just that

[SassyLady]

To quote Franklin "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

You may be happy to toss your freedoms away. Luckly, those in power are not so kneen.

Eisenhower said .... read my sig.

[DragonStryk72]

I dont want to invalidate the constitution, but why cant it ever be amended to protect us?

Martin listen to what you're saying: A group of people so small that they'd barely populate one of our small cities is assaulting us, with weapons that are old, and tactics that just end up getting them killed. Your belief is that we need to alter the Constitution to be "safe" from this enemy in such a way as to destroy one of our founding principles: Freedom of Religion.

If one religion gets banned, then what religion is next? Christianity is technically pretty violent when you read the Old Testament, especially the Book of Leviticus. By that note, Judaism is up on the block too. See how quickly that can snowball?

Sept 11th was horrible, it was, I nearly became an only child that day. My sister and brother-in-law worked in the towers, while my brother took the PATH train underneath for school. But I realize something, that only one thing would have really prevented the terrorists from taking over the planes, having a federal marshall onboard who was armed. We've done that already.

All the other crap going on at the airports today, having to remove your shoes, and not being able to take drinks or food with you as carry on, it's all bullshit, born out of fear, a fear that the government seems only too happy to push on you further.

To beat them, to truly be safe, we have to be more free, not less.

[Noir]

noir it was an idea, and apparently a preety bad one.
How does anyone learn, if they arent willing to be wrong, and say you know what, I fucked up, my bad

seriously :laugh:

Worry not, everyone can be wrong, it's just part of being human. Heck, even I was wring once, i remember it well, t'was a Tuesday in late November...

[Gaffer]

I was wrong once. I thought I was wrong about something.