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bullypulpit

09-13-2010, 07:31 AM

Gaffer

09-13-2010, 07:43 AM

Another comedy segment from media matters. Are you paid to produce these silly posts?

bullypulpit

09-13-2010, 07:48 AM

Another comedy segment from media matters. Are you paid to produce these silly posts?

Hah...Typical. Can't address the message...Attack the messenger. Your shit is weak. :laugh2:

Missileman

09-13-2010, 08:07 AM

Nukeman

09-13-2010, 08:23 AM

Islam isn't just a religion and you know it. It is also a form of government. One btw, that cannot coexist with a government that contains the freedoms that ours does. I'm no advocate of holding all muslims responsible for the actions of a few, but I am also aware that the threats from Islam extend far beyond bombs and box cutters.
Exactly!!!!!!!!! Islam is a whole way of life!!! It is government, social, economic, and religious all roled into one..

they have rules in place for how youshould be governed, how your banking should take place and how you should socialize with one another and those of opposing faiths and religions..

funny how Bully comes onhere tauting the "virtues" of Islam but refuses to address their very hardline stance on homosexuality. Tell me Bully who would you rather be a homo under current US government or a Islamic sharia law???

Bully you and your friends are in for a rude awakening when/if sharia tries to take over here!!!!

DragonStryk72

09-13-2010, 02:49 PM

Exactly!!!!!!!!! Islam is a whole way of life!!! It is government, social, economic, and religious all roled into one..

they have rules in place for how youshould be governed, how your banking should take place and how you should socialize with one another and those of opposing faiths and religions..

funny how Bully comes onhere tauting the "virtues" of Islam but refuses to address their very hardline stance on homosexuality. Tell me Bully who would you rather be a homo under current US government or a Islamic sharia law???

Bully you and your friends are in for a rude awakening when/if sharia tries to take over here!!!!

So does christianity. In fact, Muslims are stilling playing catch up on our body count of "killing in the name of God". And following the bible through Leviticus would end the lives of pretty much every living American (Have you ever eaten meat on a friday or cussed at your parents? You're dead if you have). My point, not everyone is militant about their religious beliefs, and most people do not follow the letter of the law of their religion. Generally, only the nutjobs do that, and they can be spotted with fair ease.

Thankfully, the US could never use the Sharia law (Being against the Constitution and all), unless you're somehow inferring that we are weaker than them, and thus must fear their coming to take it all away from us? They are actually a rather distinct minority in this country, and even most of the muslims we do have wouldn't want to live under Sharia law, because they enjoy freedom.

jon_forward

09-13-2010, 03:46 PM

Muslims in America are a very lucky lot. Their children [or the parents] are not forced to become human bombs, Islams stated mission is to kill infidels. WAKE UP BULLY !!!!!! THATS US! Maybe you need to go subsist in the islamic mideast somewhere. My guess is you wont like it, live it before you force it on others.:salute:

PostmodernProphet

09-13-2010, 10:37 PM

Hah...Typical. Can't address the message...Attack the messenger. Your shit is weak. :laugh2:

hey it's a free country....we let stupid messengers live....

Pagan

09-13-2010, 10:45 PM

Brings be to a quote by Mr. Conservative himself, Barry Goldwater -

"When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

It's a shame that his warning was never (and still isn't) taken seriously. Until the GOP get's it's shit together and start being Conservative again it's still just another Progressive Liberal Party.

bullypulpit

09-14-2010, 04:00 AM

Islam isn't just a religion and you know it. It is also a form of government. One btw, that cannot coexist with a government that contains the freedoms that ours does. I'm no advocate of holding all muslims responsible for the actions of a few, but I am also aware that the threats from Islam extend far beyond bombs and box cutters.

It started as a religion, and at its core it is a religion. It's involvement in politics came about like that of any other religion...Those in power found it a convenient way to control their subjects. You know...like Christianity in the Middle Ages. Kinda like how certain right wing fringe...or mainstream, hard to tell these days...elements want to do to America.

Muslims in America are a very lucky lot. Their children [or the parents] are not forced to become human bombs, Islams stated mission is to kill infidels. WAKE UP BULLY !!!!!! THATS US! Maybe you need to go subsist in the islamic mideast somewhere. My guess is you wont like it, live it before you force it on others.:salute:

And they are citizens and tax-payers and they are serving in the armed forces...in predominantly Muslim countries. So do yerself a favor, give yer ears a good tug and pop yer head outta yer ass.

Brings be to a quote by Mr. Conservative himself, Barry Goldwater -

"When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

It's a shame that his warning was never (and still isn't) taken seriously. Until the GOP get's it's shit together and srogressivetart being Conservative again it's still just another Progressive Liberal Party.

I agree with the late Barry Goldwater here. But the GOP as a bunch of "progressive liberals"? Nah...Fascist wannabes is more appropriate.

darin

09-14-2010, 06:50 AM

20 years? 15 years ago maybe? the Army starting commissioning Muslim Chaplains.

It's funny to me when Liberals try to demonize the 'other side' with phrases like 'extreme' and 'fringe'.

Bully - if this guy is the FRINGE of the Republican party, if he's not inline with mainstream Republicans, why do you f'ing care what he says?

For you it's not about proving, hell, even MAKING a point - it's about demonizing those who don't share your evil, vile, socialist views (see what I just did?).

Pagan

09-14-2010, 01:22 PM

>> snip <<

I agree with the late Barry Goldwater here. But the GOP as a bunch of "progressive liberals"? Nah...Fascist wannabes is more appropriate.

Progressive Liberals, Fascist, same thing. It's nothing but an Oligarchy of the few ruling the many.

jon_forward

09-22-2010, 04:25 PM

BULLY, I see you havent changed a bit. toss crap but dont answer anything. out of 1.4 MILLION active military personal approx 6925 are of the Muslim faith. thats less than .5 of a percent. real ground shaking numbers. Have you ever noticed the businesses Muslims have????? I didnt think so.....gas stations, beer stores, motels, anything that is mostly a CASH COW .. wonder why? open a window, take a deep breath click your heels twice and it will be all better. what has made you such a bitter little person. your boy is in the white house flushing this great country down the tubes. and you cant blame anyone but the stupid and uninformed that voted him in. I will be a voting him out real shortly. GOP LUNATIC INDEED

bullypulpit

09-22-2010, 07:36 PM

Progressive Liberals, Fascist, same thing. It's nothing but an Oligarchy of the few ruling the many.

It would come as no little surprise to those historians who have spent their careers study fascism in its many varieties to learn that fascism is a left wing phenomena. This bit of historical revision is directly attributable to Jonah Goldberg in one of his rants.

Pagan

09-22-2010, 09:24 PM

It would come as no little surprise to those historians who have spent their careers study fascism in its many varieties to learn that fascism is a left wing phenomena. This bit of historical revision is directly attributable to Jonah Goldberg in one of his rants.

Really?

So explain to me how this isn't the same fucking thing?
You know where the few control the many?

Definition of SOCIALISM (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

First Known Use of SOCIALISM
1837

Definition of FASCISM (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)

1 often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Origin of FASCISM
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
First Known Use: 1921

Definition of OLIGARCHY (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oligarchy)

1: government by the few
2: a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
3: an organization under oligarchic control

First Known Use of OLIGARCHY
1542

SassyLady

09-23-2010, 01:59 AM

Shades of Alinsky!!! Have you been reading Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" BP?

red states rule

09-23-2010, 04:55 AM

Is it possible Bob Hope knew BP personally?

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SassyLady

09-23-2010, 05:53 AM

I'm sure he did!

Agnapostate

09-23-2010, 06:07 AM

Really?

So explain to me how this isn't the same fucking thing?
You know where the few control the many?

Definition of SOCIALISM (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

First Known Use of SOCIALISM
1837

Definition of FASCISM (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)

1 often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Origin of FASCISM
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
First Known Use: 1921

Definition of OLIGARCHY (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oligarchy)

1: government by the few
2: a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
3: an organization under oligarchic control

First Known Use of OLIGARCHY
1542

What the fuck are you, you broken piece of shit? A Merriam-Webster bot? Are you too fucking unsophisticated to be familiar with anything other than the dictionary? :lol:

That's utterly wrong. In reality, fascism and socialism are rather distinct from each other, and in many cases, are outright conflicting ideologies. To consider the elements of fascist political and cultural ideology and economy, we might look at Umberto Eco's conception of "Eternal Fascism," or Zanden's Pareto and Fascism Reconsidered (thanks, Reiver), for instance.

Firstly, as Zanden puts it, "[O]bedience, discipline, faith and a religious belief in the cardinal tenets of the Fascist creed are put forth as the supreme values of a perfect Fascist. Individual thinking along creative lines is discouraged. What is wanted is not brains, daring ideas, or speculative faculties, but character pressed in the mold of Fascism." This is not consistent with the socialist principle of elimination of alienation as defined by Marx's The Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844. Such elimination necessitates revolutionary class consciousness, which obviously conflicts with "obedience, discipline, faith, etc." Revolutionary class consciousness is also rather inconsistent with the "cult of tradition" identified by Eco as an integral tenet of Eternal Fascism. "[T]here can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message."

From an insistence on revolutionary class consciousness comes opposition to class itself on the part of the socialist. This is egregiously contradictory to the elitism that constitutes a core tenet of fascism. As Eco writes, "[e]litism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak. Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism."

Fascism also has a necessarily anti-democratic nature. As Zanden notes, "the mass of men is created to be governed and not to govern; is created to be led and not to lead, and is created, finally, to be slaves and not masters: slaves of their animal instincts, their physiological needs, their emotions, and their passions." Similarly, Eco writes that "the Leader, knowing his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler." This strongly conflicts with the participatory elements of socialism, as it necessitates the collective ownership of the means of production. For instance, Noam Chomsky notes that libertarian socialism is "based on free voluntary participation of people who produce and create, live their lives freely within institutions they control and with limited hierarchical structures, possibly none at all." Other forms of socialism are necessarily democratic at the very least because of the participatory nature of collective management.

Private property was considered a necessary staple of an efficiently functioning economy under the most expansive fascist regime that the world has ever known. For example, consult Buchheim and Scherner's The role of private property in the Nazi economy: the case of industry (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=449534):

Private property in the industry of the Third Reich is often considered a mere nominal provision without much substance. However, that is not correct, because firms, despite the rationing and licensing activities of the state, still had ample scope to devise their own production and investment profiles. Even regarding war-related projects, freedom of contract was generally respected; instead of using power, the state offered firms a number of contract options to choose from. There were several motives behind this attitude of the regime, among them the conviction that private property provided important incentives for increasing efficiency.

You fucking suck. :lol:

jon_forward

09-23-2010, 11:41 AM

I stand corrected, number of Muslims serving in Armed Services under 3500 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125755853525335343.html

red states rule

09-25-2010, 05:36 AM

Looks like BP got board and left his own thread once again. Amazing what a steady dose of incoming facts will do a liberal