I Bought a Bird Feeder...

[Pale Rider]

Since this is political in nature, I put it here. If a mod thinks it needs moving, OK....




I bought a bird feeder.


I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.

Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table...everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quite, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let's see . . . our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing five families: you have to wait six hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: your child's second grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press 'one' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than 'Old Glory' are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

[Hobbit]

It's like I've always said. Yank out the welcome matt and they'll go away.

[Pale Rider]

It's like I've always said. Yank out the welcome matt and they'll go away.

That's pretty much it.

The titts run dry.

[loosecannon]

Since this is political in nature, I put it here. If a mod thinks it needs moving, OK....




I bought a bird feeder.


I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.

Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table...everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quite, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let's see . . . our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing five families: you have to wait six hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: your child's second grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press 'one' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than 'Old Glory' are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

I agree with the position on illegals, but I think that the article and analogy suck.

It isn't the government services that illegals come for.

It is work and money. And they work hard for little money.

I think that we NEED to stop the flow of illegals. But we also need to pay Americans enough to do those jobs.

[Pale Rider]

I agree with the position on illegals, but I think that the article and analogy suck.

It isn't the government services that illegals come for.

It is work and money. And they work hard for little money.

I think that we NEED to stop the flow of illegals. But we also need to pay Americans enough to do those jobs.

Loose... the majority of illegals in this country are on some form or another of welfare. They are here as much for the freebies as anything, and they know how to exploit them.

[loosecannon]

Loose... the majority of illegals in this country are on some form or another of welfare. They are here as much for the freebies as anything, and they know how to exploit them.

I soooooooo do not believe that. In fact I bet you that the majority of illegals here are actually paying taxes and working for less money than any American.

We agree that we do not want em here, at all. Send em home.

So why won't Bush send em home? Why does he say it is impossible to round em up and send em home?

Because business wants them. Why because they work cheap. And they also pay taxes.

Bush wants to screw them even more with guest worker programs that pay them nothing.

Just close the borders and round em up. NO BULLSHIT guest worker programs. And fine the HELL out of Americans who hire them.

$100,000 fine against the EMPLOYER for each illegal alien hired.

Problem solved.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2000/back400.html

The U.S. unemployment rate is at a 30-year low of 4.1 percent, and there are more vacant jobs than unemployed workers in many U.S. states and metro areas. As Mexican and other migrants cross the border illegally seeking U.S. jobs, there is a call both in the United States and Mexico for a guest worker program to make the employment of migrants in the United States legal and manageable, either in agriculture alone or in both agriculture and the non-farm economy.

Should the United States launch another guest worker program? The Commission on Immigration Reform in 1995 concluded that: "a large scale agricultural guest worker program...is not in the national interest...such a program would be a grievous mistake." President Clinton agreed in a June 1995 statement, which asserted that a guest worker program would increase illegal immigration, displace U.S. workers, and depress wages and working conditions.

Low Pay and Broken Promises Greet Guest Workers


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/us/28labor.html?ex=1330318800&en=4789388a630e4360&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The pitch was so persuasive that the farmer, Worawut Khansamrit, put his farm up as collateral to pay the recruiter $11,000 to become a guest worker. “The amount of money they promised was very attractive,” said Mr. Khansamrit, a slight, soft-spoken 40-year-old with a 15-year-old daughter he wants to send to college.

But after he arrived in North Carolina with 30 other Thai workers, he found there was only about a month’s work. He was then taken to New Orleans to remove debris from a hotel damaged by Hurricane Katrina — work he says he was never paid for. This month, he and other Thai workers filed a federal lawsuit asserting that they were victims of illegal trafficking.

Mr. Khansamrit’s tale highlights the abuses that many guest workers face at a time when President Bush and many in Congress are pushing to expand the guest worker program as part of an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws.

Each year 120,000 foreign workers receive visas to do farm work or other low-skilled labor, usually for three to nine months. These programs grew out of the World War II bracero program, in which hundreds of thousands of Mexicans worked on farms and railroads, often in deplorable conditions.

Labor experts say employers abuse guest workers far more than other workers because employers know they can ship them home the moment they complain. They also know these workers cannot seek other jobs if they are unhappy.

“I’d say a substantial majority of U.S. guest workers experience some abuses with their paycheck,” said David Griffith, a professor in the anthropology department at East Carolina University and author of the new book “American Guestworkers: Jamaicans and Mexicans in the U.S. Labor Market.” “It’s the recruitment process especially where they get cheated.”

The abuses take many forms. Guest workers often pay exorbitant fees and are frequently given fewer weeks of work and lower wages than promised. Many employers fail to make good on their commitment to pay transportation costs. The Thai workers, who were supposed to be paid $16,000 a year for three years, ended up earning a total of just $1,400 to $2,400. Most of the Thai workers had their passports taken away after they arrived, leaving them trapped.

[Pale Rider]

I disagree loose. Illegals cost America far more than they contribute...

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5297/illfq8.jpg

And this....

Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread

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Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.

He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.


But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.

The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies."

While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America's prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

"The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."

According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

"Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income."

In addition, the report says, "many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."

While politicians often mention there are 43 million without health insurance in this country, the report estimates that at least 25 percent of those are illegal immigrants. The figure could be as high as 50 percent.

Not being insured does not mean they don't get medical care.

Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.

"Government imposes viciously stiff fines and penalties on any physician and any hospital refusing to treat any patient that a zealous prosecutor deems an emergency patient, even though the hospital or physician screened and declared the patient's illness or injury non-emergency," says the report. "But government pays neither hospital nor physician for treatments. In addition to the fiscal attack on medical facilities and personnel, EMTALA is a handy truncheon with which to pummel politically unpopular physicians by falsely accusing them of violating EMTALA."

According to the report, between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure, the author writes.

"American hospitals welcome 'anchor babies,'" says the report. "Illegal alien women come to the hospital in labor and drop their little anchors, each of whom pulls its illegal alien mother, father, and siblings into permanent residency simply by being born within our borders. Anchor babies are citizens, and instantly qualify for public welfare aid: Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Among the organizations directing illegal aliens into America's medical systems, according to the report, are the Ford Foundation-funded Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, the National Immigration Law Center, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, the American Bar Association's Commission on Immigration Policy, Practice, and Pro Bono, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, the National Council of La Raza, George Soros's Open Society Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the National Network for Immigration and Refugee Rights and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Because drug addiction and alcoholism are classified as diseases and disabilities, the fiscal toll on the health-care system rises.

When Linda Torres was arrested in Bakersfield, Calif., with about $8,500 in small bills in a sack, the police originally thought it was stolen money, explained the report. It was her Social Security lump sum for her disability -- heroin addiction.

"Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency green cards," writes Cosman, a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York. "Illegal aliens simply cross our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any number of communicable diseases."

Many illegals entering this country have tuberculosis, according to the report.

"That disease had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin," says the report. "TB's swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis. Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This Mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major anti-tubercular drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000 with toxic side effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30 people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later.

TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002, when it spiked a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of all new TB cases to 'foreign born' people who have up to eight times higher incidences apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines and Vietnam."

Other health threats from illegals include, according to the report:

Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.
Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.
The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons report includes a strong prescription for protecting the health of Americans:

Closing America's borders with fences, high-tech security devices and troops.
Rescinding the U.S. citizenship of "anchor babies."
Punishing the aiding and abetting of illegal aliens as a crime.
An end to amnesty programs.

More...

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

[Fountainhead]

I soooooooo do not believe that. In fact I bet you that the majority of illegals here are actually paying taxes and working for less money than any American.

We agree that we do not want em here, at all. Send em home.

So why won't Bush send em home? Why does he say it is impossible to round em up and send em home?

Because business wants them. Why because they work cheap. And they also pay taxes.

Bush wants to screw them even more with guest worker programs that pay them nothing.

Just close the borders and round em up. NO BULLSHIT guest worker programs. And fine the HELL out of Americans who hire them.

$100,000 fine against the EMPLOYER for each illegal alien hired.

Problem solved.


I think that you have it EXACTLY right. We need to arrest and publicize the John's ... not just the hookers.

There are two sides to the illegal worker equation. The worker and the profiteer.

Anyone remember ... Zoe Baird ?

From Wikipedia:Baird withdrew her name from consideration for the attorney general position when it was learned that she had hired illegal aliens to serve as her chauffeur and nanny. Baird had been making 500,000 a year at the time and paying her nanny $5.00 an hour. She paid $2,900 in fines for the infractions.[1] She has worked for General Electric and was Chief of Staff of Aetna.[2]

Yah, right ? A highly educated, highly paid, legal EXPERT nominated to be ATTORNEY-frikkken-GENERAL of THE United STATES of AMERICA ... "forgot" ... to pay payroll taxes ... or check the papers of her domestic slaves ... Yah. No WONDER she is still serving on the Boards of Directors of some of the largest Corporations in America.

Behold !!! Your typical LIMOSINE liberal

... and checked-pants country-club repukeican !

[Pale Rider]

I think that you have it EXACTLY right. We need to arrest and publicize the John's ... not just the hookers.

There are two sides to the illegal worker equation. The worker and the profiteer.

Anyone remember ... Zoe Baird ?

From Wikipedia:Baird withdrew her name from consideration for the attorney general position when it was learned that she had hired illegal aliens to serve as her chauffeur and nanny. Baird had been making 500,000 a year at the time and paying her nanny $5.00 an hour. She paid $2,900 in fines for the infractions.[1] She has worked for General Electric and was Chief of Staff of Aetna.[2]

Yah, right ? A highly educated, highly paid, legal EXPERT nominated to be ATTORNEY-frikkken-GENERAL of THE United STATES of AMERICA ... "forgot" ... to pay payroll taxes ... or check the papers of her domestic slaves ... Yah. No WONDER she is still serving on the Boards of Directors of some of the largest Corporations in America.

Behold !!! Your typical LIMOSINE liberal

... and checked-pants country-club repukeican !

You got that right Fh. "MONEY" is behind "ALL" of this, for the republicans and their big business friends/campaign doners. "VOTES" are behind it for democrats. Either way, they're BOTH guilty of TREASON. They are BOTH SWORN to PROTECT the United States of America, and they're NOT DOING IT. This INVASION from mexico is the LARGEST INVASION OF ANY KIND IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD FROM ONE COUNTRY INTO ANOTHER.

[loosecannon]

I disagree loose. Illegals cost America far more than they contribute...



PR, while i still do not agree, you did a great job of documenting your position.

In any case we both agree that they do not belong here.

And the BA is catering to a business community that likes taxpayer dollar subsidized "cheap labor".

It is a scam supported by our fed and hurting US citizens who need those jobs.

I still believe they pay taxes and receive fewer subsidies than ordinary Americans but So what if we disagree about secondary aspects.

Good work.

[Pale Rider]

PR, while i still do not agree, you did a great job of documenting your position.

In any case we both agree that they do not belong here.

And the BA is catering to a business community that likes taxpayer dollar subsidized "cheap labor".

It is a scam supported by our fed and hurting US citizens who need those jobs.

I still believe they pay taxes and receive fewer subsidies than ordinary Americans but So what if we disagree about secondary aspects.

Good work.


Well thanks loose, and I like the debate, because I think it just gives me a chance to show how strong my position is.

But really, check this out. This is the scariest part. It was too much to snagit copy. Follow the link...

http://www.alpinesurvival.com/immigration.html