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red states rule

11-03-2010, 05:08 PM

Only Obama could run uip a tab like this

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0208/HusseinObamaImage1.jpg

The US will shell out a massive amount of $200 million a day when President Barack Obama comes on a visit to the Indian city Mumbai. A representative from the Maharashtra government has said in a statement that the whopping amount will cover costs related to his security staff, his place of boarding and also the travels that the President will have to make after he sets foot in India. Barack Obama will not only be accompanied with his wife Michelle Obama during his visit but also by several security staff, his personal staff from the White House and American journalists.

Reports claim that though the US President will bring his own security staff, the military staff of Maharashtra is also being trained to look into security issues of Barack Obama and it is for this reason that the officials other than the security staff will not be allowed to carry weapons after their arrival in Mumbai.

The Mumbai roads and coastline will reportedly record less traffic once Barack Obama reaches Mumbai. Police officials in Maharashtra are already being assigned their respective duties as the day is fast approaching. The Taj Mahal Palace Hotel is also ready to welcome the US President.

http://tellycafe.com/world-news/us-to-spend-200-million-a-day-during-barack-obama%E2%80%99s-visit-to-mumbai/

Trigg

11-03-2010, 05:40 PM

red states rule

11-03-2010, 05:44 PM

but if you listened to his press conferance today he talked about fiscal responsibility. Made me sick to my stomach.

Maybe if he would STAYI HOME and quit spending money on lavish visits and vacations his party would get more respect. Instead of getting their asses handed to them.

and this from the guy who bitched about how CEO's travel and go to Las Vegas

Trigg, you are not alone. Obama makes millions of people sick. Look at the election results for proof of that statement

SpidermanTUba

11-04-2010, 10:09 AM

and this from the guy who bitched about how CEO's travel and go to Las Vegas

Trigg, you are not alone. Obama makes millions of people sick. Look at the election results for proof of that statement

Funny how the right claims to hate the media but will believe anything that sounds good to them

http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

The hard-to-swallow claim originated with a Nov. 2 Press Trust of India article quoting an unnamed "top official" in the government of Maharashtra (one of India’s states). The source was quoted as saying that Obama’s upcoming trip to Mumbai will cost $200 million per day for security and living arrangements, among other things. The story claimed that the president would be accompanied by about 3,000 people, including Secret Service agents, government officials and journalists, and will stay at the Taj Mahal Hotel — the scene of a 2008 terrorist attack.

and the hypocrisy, as always, is overflowing from the right

There may be 7,000 hotel rooms in the capitol, but just about all will be occupied by U.S. President George W. Bush's delegation during his visit here Tuesday through Friday.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/security-arrangements-for-bush-visit-to-cost-israel-25-000-an-hour-1.236787

Noir

11-04-2010, 10:16 AM

Is there a break-down of the costs?

SpidermanTUba

11-04-2010, 10:18 AM

Is there a break-down of the costs?

Considering its a made up number from an unknown foreign source, I doubt it.

red states rule

11-04-2010, 05:06 PM

Considering its a made up number from an unknown foreign source, I doubt it.

If you pay attention to ST, I guess 400 made up jets are taking 2 made militay helicopters, a couple of made limos, about 3.000 made up staffers, along with the made up aircraft carrier and made up destroyers along the coast, and of course the usual made up teleprompters that Obama never travels without

Little-Acorn

11-04-2010, 05:22 PM

If you pay attention to ST,

ST is fun to watch sometimes. How many other people do you know, who can insist with purple face and bugging eyes that it's not true, and then in practically the same breath complain that George Bush did the same thing? :clap:

Few could equal such a peformance. :laugh:

red states rule

11-04-2010, 05:33 PM

ST is fun to watch sometimes. How many other people do you know, who can insist with purple face and bugging eyes that it's not true, and then in practically the same breath complain that George Bush did the same thing? :clap:

Few could equal such a peformance. :laugh:

James Carville comes to mind also

Maybe James and ST are related perhaps?

SassyLady

11-04-2010, 08:57 PM

This might explain the cost factor. From an India news source:

34 warships sent from US for Obama visit

Press Trust of India (http://www.ndtv.com/search?q=Press+Trust+of+India), Updated: November 04, 2010 22:42 IST

http://www.ndtv.com/news/images/story_page/BarackObama295.jpg

New Delhi: The White House will, of course, stay in Washington but the heart of the famous building will move to India when President Barack Obama lands in Mumbai on Saturday.

Communications set-up and nuclear button and majority of the White House staff will be in India accompanying the President on this three-day visit that will cover Mumbai and Delhi.

He will also be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast during his two-day stay there beginning Saturday. The measure has been taken as Mumbai attack in 2008 took place from the sea.

Arrangements have been put in place for emergency evacuation, if needed

Obama is expected to fly by a helicopter -- Marine One -- from the city airport to the Indian Navy's helibase INS Shikra at Colaba in south Mumbai.

Two jets, armed with advanced communication and security systems, and a fleet of over 40 cars will be part of Obama's convoy.

Around 800 rooms have been booked for the President and his entourage in Taj Hotel and Hyatt.

The President will have a security ring of American elite Secret Service, which are tasked to guard the President, along with National Security Guards (NSG) and personnel from central paramilitary forces and local police in Mumbai and Delhi.

Similar arrangements will be in place in Delhi, with the Air Force One to be kept in all readiness throughout Obama's stay here from Sunday afternoon to Tuesday morning.

Maurya Hotel, where the President will stay, has already been swarmed by American security personnel and protective measures have been put in place.

Security drills have already been carried out at the hotel as well as Rajghat, where he will visit.

Sources said 13 heavy-lift aircraft with high-tech equipment, three helicopters and 500 US security personnel have arrived in India ahead of Obama's visit.

The US security has also brought interception and obstruction device, sniffer dogs, rescue gadgets.

Apart from Obama's Air Force One, a few private luxury jets carrying top American corporate leaders, who are part of Obama's entourage, are also expected to arrive in India in the next 2-3 days.

All high-rise buildings in the vicinity of Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel and Delhi's Maurya Sheraton hotel, where the US President will stay, are being sanitised and security personnel will be positioned on rooftops to prevent any air-borne attack.

The Ridge area - opposite Delhi's Maurya Sheraton hotel - has been illuminated by floodlights as part of the heightened security drill.

The Home Ministry has already issued an alert for Mumbai and Delhi asking authorities to take extra precautions during Obama's visit as well as on Diwali on Friday

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459?cp (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459?cp)

Noir

11-04-2010, 09:03 PM

34 warships? What?!!

SassyLady

11-04-2010, 09:24 PM

And possibly build a bomb proof tunnel so he can travel to a museum (to be built by American military).

more here:

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_tunnel-for-obama-near-mani-bhavan_1461946

Jeff

11-05-2010, 12:02 AM

This guy makes my stomach turn, The American people had better stand together and do something before he completely destroys this country

He wants you to believe we should outlaw Guns for safety, if ya read the Constitution ya may understand why he want to outlaw them so bad, he is trying to price ammo so no one can afford it :poke: wake up America there is a alternative reason for his dis like of guns

red states rule

11-05-2010, 03:41 AM

bullypulpit

11-05-2010, 08:14 AM

Only Obama could run uip a tab like this

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0208/HusseinObamaImage1.jpg

"404 error! Page not found"

Sorry Red, this is just another self referential "fact" created from whole cloth by the RWN blogosphere, radio shows and television network. It sprang from Matt Drudge's fevered mind as he ignored the simple fact that the story from India stated the cost, not in dollars, but Indian Rupees. Nor is 10% of the US Navy, let alone nearly 50% of the Pacific Fleet going to escort the President to India.

And you along with the rest of your factually challenged, willfully ignorant fellow travelers, fall for it every time.

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011030032>White House debunks "wildly inflated" $200M-per-day price tag for Obama's India trip</a></center>

But, hey Red...You found it on the internet, so it must be true!

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/canned_unicorn_meat.jpg

I found it on the internet, so it MUST be real! :laugh2:

red states rule

11-05-2010, 08:30 AM

Once again BP you stepped in it. The link worked fine and here is an update

34 warships sent from US for Obama visit
Press Trust of India, Updated: November 04, 2010 22:42 IST

New Delhi: The White House will, of course, stay in Washington but the heart of the famous building will move to India when President Barack Obama lands in Mumbai on Saturday.

Communications set-up and nuclear button and majority of the White House staff will be in India accompanying the President on this three-day visit that will cover Mumbai and Delhi.

He will also be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast during his two-day stay there beginning Saturday. The measure has been taken as Mumbai attack in 2008 took place from the sea.

Arrangements have been put in place for emergency evacuation, if needed.

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459?cp&cp

BoogyMan

11-05-2010, 08:37 AM

Got anything to refute the claim that comes from a reputable source?

"404 error! Page not found"

Sorry Red, this is just another self referential "fact" created from whole cloth by the RWN blogosphere, radio shows and television network. It sprang from Matt Drudge's fevered mind as he ignored the simple fact that the story from India stated the cost, not in dollars, but Indian Rupees. Nor is 10% of the US Navy, let alone nearly 50% of the Pacific Fleet going to escort the President to India.

And you along with the rest of your factually challenged, willfully ignorant fellow travelers, fall for it every time.

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011030032>White House debunks "wildly inflated" $200M-per-day price tag for Obama's India trip</a></center>

But, hey Red...You found it on the internet, so it must be true!

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/canned_unicorn_meat.jpg

I found it on the internet, so it MUST be real! :laugh2:

jimnyc

11-05-2010, 08:41 AM

I'd like to see bully or ST explain why so many warships are needed. Is there some serious lynching going on in India?

Noir

11-05-2010, 08:45 AM

I really dont get what the warships are about, presumably they are there for reasons other than Obama. They also greatly inflate the cost of the trip (be it 200 million a day or not) because If they where not there they would be somewhere else using the same amount of fuel etc and costing the same (unless they where in dock).

But unless the Gov. have got wind of a hidden AQ navy (Aqua Al Qaeda?) then sending them to 'protect' Obama would be stupid.

Also, If the navy is there, is that Obamas call or someone elses?

red states rule

11-05-2010, 08:56 AM

I'd like to see bully or ST explain why so many warships are needed. Is there some serious lynching going on in India?

Eh, how about it's Bush's fault? :laugh2:

SpidermanTUba

11-05-2010, 10:14 AM

If you pay attention to ST, I guess 400 made up jets are taking 2 made militay helicopters, a couple of made limos, about 3.000 made up staffers, along with the made up aircraft carrier and made up destroyers along the coast, and of course the usual made up teleprompters that Obama never travels without

I never made such a claim. You're quite simply a liar.
Now if you could please provide supporting evidence for the 200 million figure other than an unnamed foreign official - that'd be great!

Funny how people didn't notice how many people the President travels with when Bush rented out almost every one of the 7000 hotels in Jerusalem. Oh yeah, that's right - I forget that righties are shameless hypocrites.

SpidermanTUba

11-05-2010, 10:18 AM

This guy makes my stomach turn,

Of course he did. Bush didn't make your stomach turn in 2008 when he rented out almost all the hotel rooms in Jerusalem - but Bush was a Republican so its OK for him to do that!

The American people had better stand together and do something before he completely destroys this country

Because Democrats renting out entire hotels will take our country away - Republicans doing it, hey that's just business man!

He wants you to believe we should outlaw Guns for safety

He doesn't want to outlaw guns. You're a moron.

SpidermanTUba

11-05-2010, 10:20 AM

I'd like to see bully or ST explain why so many warships are needed. Is there some serious lynching going on in India?

Only after you explain why George Bush needed almost 7000 rooms in Jerusalem at taxpayer expense.

Thanks.

jimnyc

11-05-2010, 11:53 AM

Only after you explain why George Bush needed almost 7000 rooms in Jerusalem at taxpayer expense.

Thanks.

Isn't it obvious? Bush was white!!

SpidermanTUba

11-05-2010, 12:55 PM

Isn't it obvious? Bush was white!!

Is that the reason?

Jeff

11-05-2010, 02:37 PM

Eh, how about it's Bush's fault? :laugh2:

Your wrong RSR there might be lots of racist over there :laugh2: heck it has to be one or the other :laugh2:

red states rule

11-05-2010, 05:23 PM

I never made such a claim. You're quite simply a liar.
Now if you could please provide supporting evidence for the 200 million figure other than an unnamed foreign official - that'd be great!

Funny how people didn't notice how many people the President travels with when Bush rented out almost every one of the 7000 hotels in Jerusalem. Oh yeah, that's right - I forget that righties are shameless hypocrites.

You posted it was made up, made up sources, and the usual crap libs say to spin away the actions of their fellow libs

For 2 years everything Obama did was glossed over by lefties and their #1 excuse was "Bush did it"

Well, the Bush did it crap does not work any longer. Obama is the one spending the money, and he is the one who has to explain why

But libs like you could not care less what this is costing. Obama has a "D" at the end of his name so you will ask no questions and attack anyone who does

bullypulpit

11-05-2010, 08:56 PM

Got anything to refute the claim that comes from a reputable source?

Why? Nobody on the right has presented anything more than an unsubstantiated story from an "anonymous source" in the Indian press. And, of course, FOX Noise and it's lackeys in right wing radio all engage in a continuous self-referencing circle-jerk using the technique of the "Big Lie"...repeat a thing often enough and loudly enough, and the more gullible will will believe it to be true.

Of course, if you were intellectually honest, you would review the the facts at Media Matters. They provide links and sourcing for ALL of their material. But I know you won't. You, and your ilk are moral and intellectual cowards.

Silver

11-05-2010, 09:42 PM

Only after you explain why George Bush needed almost 7000 rooms in Jerusalem at taxpayer expense.

Thanks.

He didn't need 7000 rooms and US tax payers didn't pay for them....
As a matter of fact,
The operation, dubbed "Clear Skies," will cost Israel $25,000 for every hour Bush is in the country. Its their police and security that are using most of the hotel rooms in the city.

About 450 rooms in the King David Hotel, where Bush is staying, and the Dan Panorama will be used by his entourage and as a press center. Not even close to 7000

Gaffer

11-05-2010, 10:00 PM

Bully, media matters is not a reliable source for anything except liberal propaganda.

As far as the security for the dark lord. The military is not going to say how many ships or aircraft are in the area. There could be two or there could be 60. And the number of planes flying in would also be classified and the number unknown to anyone not needing to know. If there is a carrier group in the area then there is going to be 12 to 20 ships in the area. Plus nuclear subs. His entourage is another story. Secret service have to be there. Other than important officials that also have to be there there will be a huge number of hangers on. That's where the obscene waste of tax payers money comes in. They must entertain their friends.

Kathianne

11-05-2010, 10:00 PM

"404 error! Page not found"

Sorry Red, this is just another self referential "fact" created from whole cloth by the RWN blogosphere, radio shows and television network. It sprang from Matt Drudge's fevered mind as he ignored the simple fact that the story from India stated the cost, not in dollars, but Indian Rupees. Nor is 10% of the US Navy, let alone nearly 50% of the Pacific Fleet going to escort the President to India.

And you along with the rest of your factually challenged, willfully ignorant fellow travelers, fall for it every time.

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011030032>White House debunks "wildly inflated" $200M-per-day price tag for Obama's India trip</a></center>

But, hey Red...You found it on the internet, so it must be true!

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/canned_unicorn_meat.jpg

I found it on the internet, so it MUST be real! :laugh2:

Hey Bully, you found THIS at Media Matters, so you wish to call it definitive?

When Media Matters asked about the report, White House spokesman Matt Lehrich responded, "The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality. Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated."

Of course the White House non-answer beats all else, especially with the greased title. LOL!

Missileman

11-05-2010, 10:47 PM

Hey Bully, you found THIS at Media Matters, so you wish to call it definitive?

Of course the White House non-answer beats all else, especially with the greased title. LOL!

If it weren't some absurd amount, they'd be telling us how much!

Kathianne

11-06-2010, 04:42 AM

If it weren't some absurd amount, they'd be telling us how much!

Oh yeah! Maybe it's only $150 million or $199.99 million a day? 2,900 people?

NOT the most transparent administration ever. :laugh2:

What they trying to get the people to swallow, that bin Laden finds that the administration spends $199.9 million for Obama to have a post-election respite and so they'll decide to go after him? Trust me, al Queda doesn't care what we spend.

red states rule

11-06-2010, 05:49 AM

When you stop to think about what we do know:

3,000 people who are on the government payroll

40 jet aircraft

about 40 automobiles including 2 Presidential limos

34 warships and aircraft carriers

the 500 plus rooms at the hotel

$200 milion per day figure does not seem so far fetched

red states rule

11-06-2010, 06:30 AM

bullypulpit

11-06-2010, 10:37 AM

Hey Bully, you found THIS at Media Matters, so you wish to call it definitive?

Of course the White House non-answer beats all else, especially with the greased title. LOL!

Beats an unsubstantiated rumor from the Indian Press and the circle-jerk that is the right wing punditocracy on FOX Noise.

namvet

11-06-2010, 10:48 AM

he just got his plow cleaned by the voters on his run a way spending and runs away and spends more.

Kathianne

11-06-2010, 06:53 PM

Beats an unsubstantiated rumor from the Indian Press and the circle-jerk that is the right wing punditocracy on FOX Noise.

No. It doesn't.

namvet

11-06-2010, 07:06 PM

wonder if there's any bow wow's on this trip???

revelarts

11-06-2010, 08:38 PM

I'm doing a little stream of consciousness here....

So we all accept stories without question from the Indian Press.

hmmm,

That's good to know.

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I don't know how much of the story is true or not. But if that was the worse thing he did I wouldn't have a problem with the guy but Billions have been spent bailing out the crooked banksters, the Health care crap, and the poor actions in the gulf covering for BP, while people loss thier health and livelihoods (those BP crook threads don't even go a full page, but 3 pages on this topic already, go figger).

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But India's got a lot of American jobs over there so it makes sense that he go put a face on a few of the people we talk to on the phone everyday in the states.

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$400 haircut.

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34 war ships? are we taking over India? Bringing socialis... I mean democracy to the region?

Jeff

11-06-2010, 11:03 PM

and to see one of the BIGGEST Bush haters of all time whine about this President being attacked over the cost of this trip - and he plays the race for good measure (and out of habit probably)

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OO no they are backed up to the wall here, a second longer and they would of played the race card, or shall I say just came right out and said it, what a joke , why does any President ( black , yellow or even white ) need 34 warships in the area, this guy should be impeached , a economy like we have and he needs 34 war ships, Next he will be flying people in to make him pizza or dinning on 100 dollar steaks, OOO wait he already did that, LOL, But Fellow Americans WE must Tighten our belts :laugh2:

SassyLady

11-07-2010, 01:14 AM

I'm doing a little stream of consciousness here....

So we all accept stories without question from the Indian Press.

hmmm,

That's good to know.

34 war ships? are we taking over India? Bringing socialis... I mean democracy to the region?

No...I don't think we are accepting stories without question from the India press... I just thought it was interesting to see what the people of India were being told. Wonder if they believe it, and if they do, what they must think. What would Americans think if the Russian president came for a visit and brought warships?

red states rule

11-07-2010, 05:53 AM

Beats an unsubstantiated rumor from the Indian Press and the circle-jerk that is the right wing punditocracy on FOX Noise.

and you STILL can't produce anything from the adminitartion on the cost of this trip

Perhaps because they are talking about it because of the cost to the US taxpayer?

But libs like you BP will still refuse to ask any questions. So what is unemployment is still near 10%, with record foreclosures and bankruptices - your goal in life is to attack and deny any criticism of the administration and play your role of defense lawyer

Obama can tell us to cut back, not to travel, not to vacation in Las Vegas, but he can live the good life while we are picking up the tab.

Noir

11-07-2010, 07:07 AM

As far as the ships go...

Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell did not shy away from dismissing reports that appeared in Indian media outlets, such as the Press Trust of India and the television network NDTV. The Press Trust of India is that country’s largest news agency…

“I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president’s trip to Asia,” said Morrell at today’s Pentagon briefing. “That’s just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.”…

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/04/no-obamas-not-taking-34-navy-ships-to-india-with-him/

red states rule

11-07-2010, 07:13 AM

As far as the ships go...

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/04/no-obamas-not-taking-34-navy-ships-to-india-with-him/

and we have this

How to do India on $200 million a day

Look for most U.S. media --- including reporters on the trip --- not to focus on figures, equipment, hotel accommodations, menus and costs of the trip, which also takes the president and entourage to Indonesia, South Korea and Japan.

The journey comes three days after voters on Tuesday indicated federal spending should be cut.

Aside from the equivalent of two Air Force squadrons involved, the military-like "invasion" in India includes:

• Six armored vehicles.

• Three Marine One helicopters.

• Forty five vehicles, including a Lincoln Continental for Obama and family.

• Thirty four U.S. Navy ships, including an aircraft carrier, patrolling off Mumbai.

• About 3,000 people --- or, in military terms, equal to three battalions --- including Secret Service agents (30 to 40 already are on the scene), U.S. government officials, journalists and…

• The president’s chef.

The entire luxury five-star, 560-room, 44-suite seaside Taj Mahal Palace & Tower, along with its restaurants, is booked to accommodate some of the three battalions.

About 305 additional rooms are booked at three other hotels, including the Grand Hyatt.

http://dailyreader.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/04/5407546-obama-leads-40-aircraft-34-navy-ships-3-battalions-to-india

Noir

11-07-2010, 07:20 AM

So you don't believe Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell, fair enough.

red states rule

11-07-2010, 07:24 AM

So you don't believe Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell, fair enough.

So far they are not giving any specifics. So, do they mean there are only 33 warships?

I am watching CSPAN and they are reading a news story from the Daily Mail saying the same thing about the cost of the trip and the number of ships

Noir

11-07-2010, 07:29 AM

From Snopes.

Claim: * President Obama's November 2010 trip to India will cost taxpayers $200 million per day.

FALSE

Origins: * On 2 November 2010, the Press Trust of India published an article about U.S. President Barack Obama's upcoming 10-day Asian trip (scheduled to begin in India, followed by visits to Indonesia, South Korea, and Japan), stating that the American chief executive would be accompanied by a contingent of 3,000 people and would be taking over the entire 570-room Taj Mahal Palace hotel during his stay in Mumbai, at a cost to U.S. taxpayers of about $200 million per day. Another report from the same source claimed the President would be "protected by a fleet of 34 warships" during his time in Mumbai:

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The information from that Indian article was quickly picked up and repeated as fact by a number of media outlets in the U.S. and elsewhere, but its veracity is dubious. The only source for the claim about the mind-blowing $200 million per day expense outlay was a single foreign news report which quoted an anonymous Indian official and provided no detail whatsoever (or even a general explanation) about how the $200 million sum was derived or could possibly be expended.

However, citing a cost figure of $200 million per day stretches credulity to the breaking point: That number would entail a total outlay of $400 million for the two-day visit (a whopping $2 billion if the cost were applied across the entire ten-day trip), and even if President Obama were accompanied by a prodigious 3,000-person entourage, with the U.S. government picking up the entire tab for all of them, the U.S. would have to be spending the unbelievably staggering sum of $66,000 per person per day to reach that figure.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp

red states rule

11-07-2010, 07:37 AM

So now Snopes is a spokement for the WH Noir?

One day after the massive electoral rebellion across the U.S. against the mega-spending policies of Washington, President Barack Obama embarks on a ten-day trip to Asia with 3,000 people at a cost of $200 million per day alone in Mumbai, India:

“The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit,” a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.

About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.

“Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy,” the official said on condition of anonymity.

http://www.mygovcost.org/u-s-government-to-spend-200-million-per-day-for-obama-trip-to-india/

bullypulpit

11-07-2010, 08:01 AM

and we have this

How to do India on $200 million a day

The "Grumpy Editor"...eh? An anonymous blogger with no citations or references for his allegations? Good one Red.

<a href=http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/>Trip to Mumbai</a>

<a href=http://mediamatters.org/research/201011040047>Beck isn't sure about phony cost of Obama's Asia trip -- but promotes it anyway</a>

<a href=http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201011040040>Secret Service: Cost of India trip "significantly exaggerated" in media</a>

The right wing-nut firestorm over this has been based on a single, unsourced report from the Indian press. Yeah Red...don't let facts get in the way of your stupidity, as if you ever do.

red states rule

11-07-2010, 08:03 AM

The "Grumpy Editor"...eh? An anonymous blogger with no citations or references for his allegations? Good one Red.

<a href=http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/>Trip to Mumbai</a>

<a href=http://mediamatters.org/research/201011040047>Beck isn't sure about phony cost of Obama's Asia trip -- but promotes it anyway</a>

<a href=http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201011040040>Secret Service: Cost of India trip "significantly exaggerated" in media</a>

The right wing-nut firestorm over this has been based on a single, unsourced report from the Indian press. Yeah Red...don't let facts get in the way of your stupidity, as if you ever do.

Sounds like you are getting your "facts" from the same source that gave us millions of "saved and created" jobs BP

So far the "anonymous blogger with no citations or references for his allegations" is more SPECFIC then your general non denial denials :laugh2:

bullypulpit

11-07-2010, 08:04 AM

So now Snopes is a spokement for the WH Noir?

Red...you're practicing the big lie...Scream it load enough and long enough and it's true, even though it isn't. You are one of the great success stories in the mainstreaming of Idiot America.

Noir

11-07-2010, 08:04 AM

So now Snopes is a spokement for the WH Noir?

No, but surly Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell, is, but you chose to ignore him.

bullypulpit

11-07-2010, 08:07 AM

Sounds like you are getting your "facts" from the same source that gave us millions of "saved and created" jobs BP

So far the "anonymous blogger with no citations or references for his allegations" is more SPECFIC then your general non denial denials :laugh2:

The links to the facts I have linked to are independently verifiable, and I know that you haven't bothered to follow the links...you didn't have time. But the facts matter less to you than the fabrications which support your narrow, blinkered view of the world.

red states rule

11-07-2010, 08:09 AM

No, but surly Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell, is, but you chose to ignore him.

Again Noir, what are the correct numbers then? 30 ships? 2 ships? So far all the administration is feeding the public are non denial denials

Amazing how Obama supports will accept such broad and general denials given how they demanded specifics, and documentation, during the Bush years

red states rule

11-07-2010, 08:11 AM

The links to the facts I have linked to are independently verifiable, and I know that you haven't bothered to follow the links...you didn't have time. But the facts matter less to you than the fabrications which support your narrow, blinkered view of the world.

Yep your sources are verifiable BP. They come right from George Soros's fax machine

bullypulpit

11-07-2010, 08:16 AM

bullypulpit

11-07-2010, 08:17 AM

Yep your sources are verifiable BP. They come right from George Soros's fax machine

:lol: Your shit is weak Red! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

red states rule

11-07-2010, 08:19 AM

Well, Noir...Red is part of a phenomenon here in America that Charlie Pierce has dubbed "<a href=http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926153/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289135547&sr=8-1>Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free</a>". To folks such as Red, and his fellow travelers, the facts matter less that their own gut feelings, belligerent ignorance, intellectual laziness and dishonesty, as well as a willingness to be led over the precipice.

BP, you sound like alot of defeated liberals and their allies in the media. When you are unable to couter the facts you fall back on your usual attacks

Now that the election is over I suspected you would spend more time here doing what you do best, playing the role of attack dog while ignoring what your side is doing and saying

Lord knows you make a lousy defense lawyer and that is why you did very little posting in the last 2 years

bullypulpit

11-07-2010, 08:28 AM

BP, you sound like alot of defeated liberals and their allies in the media. When you are unable to couter the facts you fall back on your usual attacks

Now that the election is over I suspected you would spend more time here doing what you do best, playing the role of attack dog while ignoring what your side is doing and saying

Lord knows you make a lousy defense lawyer and that is why you did very little posting in the last 2 years

Well, Red, I'm just callin' it like I sees it. And the awful truth of the GOP victory Tuesday is that it will set the country back years, if not decades, in dragging itself out of the mire the Bush administration left it in.

As for not defending the Obama administration more, there was...and is...much they continue to do that is indefensible. Namely their lack of spine in the face of the utter intransigence and obstructionism of congressional Republicans.

red states rule

11-07-2010, 08:32 AM

Well, Red, I'm just callin' it like I sees it. And the awful truth of the GOP victory Tuesday is that it will set the country back years, if not decades, in dragging itself out of the mire the Bush administration left it in.

As for not defending the Obama administration more, there was...and is...much they continue to do that is indefensible. Namely their lack of spine in the face of the utter intransigence and obstructionism of congressional Republicans.

Yea BP is is auful to think the government will live within its means, people will be allowed to keep more of the moeny they earn, people will not have to depend on the government for their substance, having the government decide when, where, and how they will get their health care.

Now I will wait and see if YOU call out the Dems for their obstructionism since they lost the election and are now demanding the winners of the election give in to them

I doubt it BP. Chances are you will now shift and demand the "rights of minority" be respected

revelarts

11-07-2010, 08:48 AM

red states rule

11-07-2010, 08:51 AM

Red ?
So what will Obama do with 34 or 33 or 2 warships?
What's the reason for that?
Or are you just pulling our chain here?
I mean there's plenty of real issues to beat the President over the head and neck about. this is just kinda goofy Onion News level stuff.

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Don't ask me - ask him. He is the one taking the ships on the trip.

Security? The SS wants the coast protected? I don't know

Problem is the administration will NOT answer the question

Noir

11-07-2010, 09:34 AM

Again Noir, what are the correct numbers then? 30 ships? 2 ships? So far all the administration is feeding the public are non denial denials

Amazing how Obama supports will accept such broad and general denials given how they demanded specifics, and documentation, during the Bush years

Truth is we dont know. You can guess all you want, but that's all it is, guessing.

jimnyc

11-07-2010, 09:41 AM

I know I posted something about the 34 warships going with Obama. The news spread virally around the internet, and coming from Indian inside government sources, I would have thought it true. But honestly, mine was a knee jerk reaction and I didn't even realize that it was like 30 or 40% of our capacity. So I'll say I believe that story, and my post, were both bogus.

Nonetheless, Obama's trip and expenses that we know of are unprecedented, regardless of what ST the troll wants to state. Here's a good article to put it into context:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326962/Obamas-India-visit-security-erect-bomb-proof-tunnel-Gandhi-museum.html

Oh, and let's not forget the unprecedented visit from the teleprompter as well!!

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Obama-to-use-teleprompter-for-Hindi-speech/H1-Article1-622605.aspx

SpidermanTUba

11-09-2010, 04:18 PM

jimnyc

11-09-2010, 04:22 PM

You have yet to demonstrate that Obama's trip to India is substantially more expensive and/or wasteful than Bush's trip to Israel.

And I care what a troll thinks, why? Ask someone who gives a fuck what you think or want. Bush's spending in MANY capacities were criticized throughout his presidency on this board, you were just too busy trolling here or elsewhere to notice.

jimnyc

11-09-2010, 04:23 PM

You have yet to demonstrate that Obama's trip to India is substantially more expensive and/or wasteful than Bush's trip to Israel.

And you won't because it isn't.

Then line up the EXACT total cost of both trips for us to analyze. We'll wait...

SpidermanTUba

11-09-2010, 04:24 PM

And I care what a troll thinks, why? Ask someone who gives a fuck what you think or want. Bush's spending in MANY capacities were criticized throughout his presidency on this board, you were just too busy trolling here or elsewhere to notice.

Funny how his super-expensive trip to Israel wasn't, yet there are multiple threads on Obama's trip to India.

SpidermanTUba

11-09-2010, 04:25 PM

Then line up the EXACT total cost of both trips for us to analyze. We'll wait...

You're the one who claimed Obama's trip was unprecedented - YOU line up the total costs of both trips.

jimnyc

11-09-2010, 04:27 PM

You're the one who claimed Obama's trip was unprecedented - YOU line up the total costs of both trips.

I claimed his trip was unprecedented but never claimed the financial details as you have claimed. My stance was about the "pomp" of his trip as the article I linked to discussed - which you'd have known if you read it. My second proof of "unprecedented" was about his teleprompter.

So now that we know it was YOU who claimed his expenses were no worse than what GWB did, I'll still wait for you to backup your statements.

SpidermanTUba

11-09-2010, 05:52 PM

I claimed his trip was unprecedented...

Ok - so its unprecedented - but not in a financial sense ... in a thread whose subject is the claim that it is an unprecedented financial expense - K.

My stance was about the "pomp" of his trip as the article I linked to discussed

So now you're complaining about "pomp" ? :laugh2: OK!

My second proof of "unprecedented" was about his teleprompter.

OMG who fucking cares?

Seriously how much irrelevant BS is the right wing media going to get you to whine about before you complain about anything of substance?

red states rule

11-09-2010, 06:18 PM

Funny how his super-expensive trip to Israel wasn't, yet there are multiple threads on Obama's trip to India.

What is even funnier is that libs ran against Bush and everytime they defend Obama they say "Bush did it to"

red states rule

11-09-2010, 06:19 PM

Ok - so its unprecedented - but not in a financial sense ... in a thread whose subject is the claim that it is an unprecedented financial expense - K.

So now you're complaining about "pomp" ? :laugh2: OK!

OMG who fucking cares?

Seriously how much irrelevant BS is the right wing media going to get you to whine about before you complain about anything of substance?

I know Obama is irrelevant, but we will continue to point out what he says and does

jimnyc

11-09-2010, 06:22 PM

Ok - so its unprecedented - but not in a financial sense ... in a thread whose subject is the claim that it is an unprecedented financial expense - K.

So now you're complaining about "pomp" ? :laugh2: OK!

OMG who fucking cares?

Seriously how much irrelevant BS is the right wing media going to get you to whine about before you complain about anything of substance?

Is this all you do is troll? If you don't care for the discussions, PLEASE, feel free to go elsewhere.

red states rule

11-09-2010, 06:27 PM

Is this all you do is troll? If you don't care for the discussions, PLEASE, feel free to go elsewhere.

You forgot to remind ST not to let the door hit him on the ass on the way out Jim

bullypulpit

11-10-2010, 05:47 AM

What is even funnier is that libs ran against Bush and everytime they defend Obama they say "Bush did it to"

What is pathetic is the blatant double standard on y'alls part. If Dubbyuh did it...cool. If Obama does the same or similar, it's a crime against humanity.

Your Obama derangement syndrome is obvious.

What has precedent here though is the right wing-nut noise machine, as it so often does, creates a story from whole cloth. The only resemblance to reality this story by the right has is that the President has, indeed, embarked on his trip.

Mr. P

11-10-2010, 03:15 PM

What is pathetic is the blatant double standard on y'alls part. If Dubbyuh did it...cool. If Obama does the same or similar, it's a crime against humanity.

Your Obama derangement syndrome is obvious.

What has precedent here though is the right wing-nut noise machine, as it so often does, creates a story from whole cloth. The only resemblance to reality this story by the right has is that the President has, indeed, embarked on his trip.
And while Roman is BURNING for what purpose has Caesar taken this trip? Is it another apology trip?

SpidermanTUba

11-10-2010, 04:15 PM

What is even funnier is that libs ran against Bush and everytime they defend Obama they say "Bush did it to"

Nothing "libs" do can absolve the right of their blatant hypocrisy.

SpidermanTUba

11-10-2010, 04:16 PM

I know Obama is irrelevant, but we will continue to point out what he says and does

Exactly ... because according to you anything he says and does is - by definition - bad. You can't apply the standards you applied to previous Presidents and get the results you want - so instead you create a double standard and engage in shameless hypocrisy.

SpidermanTUba

11-10-2010, 04:18 PM

And while Roman is BURNING for what purpose has Caesar taken this trip? Is it another apology trip?

Quit being a drama queen.

SassyLady

11-10-2010, 04:46 PM

What is even funnier is that libs ran against Bush and everytime they defend Obama they say "Bush did it to"

Excellent point RSR!

Mr. P

11-10-2010, 04:47 PM

Quit being a drama queen.
The truth hurts, huh?

Kathianne

11-10-2010, 04:49 PM

What is even funnier is that libs ran against Bush and everytime they defend Obama they say "Bush did it to"

I'm really hating this message:

#
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to red states rule again.

red states rule

11-10-2010, 05:47 PM

Exactly ... because according to you anything he says and does is - by definition - bad. You can't apply the standards you applied to previous Presidents and get the results you want - so instead you create a double standard and engage in shameless hypocrisy.

What has he done that is good?

Having the Federal government take over private companies?

Spending us into the stone age?

Forcing private citizens to buy health ins under the threat of fines and jail?

Calling fellow US citizens who disagree with his policies enemies?

Mocking fellow citizens for openly protesting his insane spending and proposed tax increases?

Attacking a cable news network because they do not openly supoort his policies like the other cable and national networks?

Yea, I will continue to point out his "aacomplishments" just as the voters did on Nov 2

red states rule

11-10-2010, 05:48 PM

I'm really hating this message:

Your credit is good Kat - you can owe me

SpidermanTUba

11-10-2010, 07:04 PM

What has he done that is good?

Having the Federal government take over private companies?

Spending us into the stone age?

Forcing private citizens to buy health ins under the threat of fines and jail?

Calling fellow US citizens who disagree with his policies enemies?

Mocking fellow citizens for openly protesting his insane spending and proposed tax increases?

Attacking a cable news network because they do not openly supoort his policies like the other cable and national networks?

Yea, I will continue to point out his "aacomplishments" just as the voters did on Nov 2

I fail to see how any of what you have stated justifies a double standard being applied.