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Noir
11-09-2010, 09:09 PM
A somewhat remarkable, but who knows how common story.


Two active ministers say they no longer believe in God but no one knows.
"I am an atheist," says "Jack," a Southern Baptist with more than 20 years in ministry.

"I live out my life as if there is no God," says "Adam," who is part of the pastoral staff of a small evangelical church in the Bible Belt.

The two, who asked that their real identities be protected, are pastors who have lost their faith. And these two men, who have built their careers and lives around faith, say they now feel trapped, living a lie.

"I spent the majority of my life believing and pursuing this religious faith, Christianity," Jack said. "And to get to this point in my life, I just don't feel like I believe anymore."

"The more I read the Bible, the more questions I had," Jack said. "The more things didn't make sense to me -- what it said -- and the more things didn't add up."

Jack said that 10 years ago, he started to feel his faith slipping away. He grew bothered by inconsistencies regarding the last days of Jesus' life, what he described as the improbability of stories like "Noah's Ark" and by attitudes expressed in the Bible regarding women and their place in the world.

"Reading the Bible is what led me not to believe in God," he said.

He said it was difficult to continue to work in ministry. "I just look at it as a job and do what I'm supposed to do," he said. "I've done it for years."

Adam said his initial doubts about God came as he read the work of the so-called New Atheists -- popular authors like the prominent scientist Richard Dawkins. He said the research was intended to help him defend his faith.

"My thinking was that God is big enough to handle any questions that I can come up with," he said but that did not happen.

"I realized that everything I'd been taught to believe was sort of sheltered," Adam said, "and never really looked at secular teaching or other philosophies. ... I thought, 'Oh my gosh. Am I believing the wrong things? Have I spent my entire life and my career promoting something that is not true?'"

He and Jack said that when speaking to parishioners, they tried to stick to the sections of the Bible that they still believed in -- the parts about being a good person. Both said that they would like to leave their jobs though they can't afford to.

"I want to get out of the position that I'm in as quickly as I can because I try to be a person of integrity and character," Adam said. "With the economy the way it is, with my lack of marketable skills other than a seminary education, it has me in a tough spot."

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SassyLady
11-09-2010, 09:21 PM
For every story you find like this one, Noir, there is another one of someone who didn't believe in the Bible or God who now do. Someone on this very board has experienced this recently.

Noir
11-09-2010, 09:35 PM
For every story you find like this one, Noir, there is another one of someone who didn't believe in the Bible or God who now do. Someone on this very board has experienced this recently.

Indeed, what I find important about the story is not so much the loss of faith, that's common. However, the idea that a man is all but forced to keep his position because a) His flock needs him, b) his family won't understand, c) economic problems, is interesting IMO. It would be interesting to know (though obviously impossible to gauge) how many people are in a similar situation.

SassyLady
11-09-2010, 09:39 PM
Indeed, what I find important about the story is not so much the loss of faith, that's common. However, the idea that a man is all but forced to keep his position because a) His flock needs him, b) his family won't understand, c) economic problems, is interesting IMO. It would be interesting to know (though obviously impossible to gauge) how many people are in a similar situation.

I've worked for organizations before when I lost faith in the owner or CEO and was forced to continue working there until I was able to get myself into a position where I could walk away. And, I stayed longer in places because my staff were depending on me to lead them through a company crisis ... and I could not just abandon them on principle because I disagreed or no longer believed in the mission of the company.

And, trust me, when I have finally made the decision to leave that type of situation, my family didn't understand because it did put us in a bind.

It happens.....and not just to preachers. Everyone has something they believe in and will have that faith shaken at times.

Missileman
11-09-2010, 09:46 PM
For every story you find like this one, Noir, there is another one of someone who didn't believe in the Bible or God who now do. Someone on this very board has experienced this recently.

I submit that it's because it's much easier to brainwash someone than to de-brainwash.

Noir
11-09-2010, 09:49 PM
I submit that it's because it's much easier to brainwash someone than to de-brainwash.

I wouldn't think it's to do with brainwashing in the most cases (for adults at least, for children there is definatly brainwashing)

chloe
11-10-2010, 12:13 AM
I heard somewhere that Mother Teresa had said she didn't believe in God too. But I don't know if that is true.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/1299/Mother_Teresa_secret_letter_reveal_there_is_no_God/

DragonStryk72
11-10-2010, 01:58 AM
I heard somewhere that Mother Teresa had said she didn't believe in God too. But I don't know if that is true.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/1299/Mother_Teresa_secret_letter_reveal_there_is_no_God/

There were sections of her memoirs that talked about several points in her life where she had a crisis of faith that the church didn't want to be seen, as if it would somehow demean her image or something. Actually, her having a crisis of faith could only really buoy people, seeing that even someone such as her has their moments of doubt. This is where religion gets in the way of faith.

chloe
11-10-2010, 11:10 AM
There were sections of her memoirs that talked about several points in her life where she had a crisis of faith that the church didn't want to be seen, as if it would somehow demean her image or something. Actually, her having a crisis of faith could only really buoy people, seeing that even someone such as her has their moments of doubt. This is where religion gets in the way of faith.

Yeah I don't see it as a weakness, its much more human to me to question things especailly in times of crisis or when faced with inhuman acts in life. She was a wonderful loving person and I think it would be natural to question things. Did jesus really ask why had God forsaken him or was that just a line in the rock opera album?

DragonStryk72
11-10-2010, 07:16 PM
That's a real verse.

PostmodernProphet
11-10-2010, 11:16 PM
Yeah I don't see it as a weakness, its much more human to me to question things especailly in times of crisis or when faced with inhuman acts in life. She was a wonderful loving person and I think it would be natural to question things. Did jesus really ask why had God forsaken him or was that just a line in the rock opera album?

interesting, I just used that verse in another thread.....coincidence or predestination......God's plan, but since I wasn't aware of it, an exercise of my free will.......hmmmm....I need to tell Noir....

Noir
11-11-2010, 07:16 AM
I just wonder how many people have had sleepless nights, worrying about their loved ones, their social status and everything that defines them because they want to come out as a Christian, when they where once an atheist.

PostmodernProphet
11-11-2010, 09:07 AM
I just wonder how many people have had sleepless nights, worrying about their loved ones, their social status and everything that defines them because they want to come out as a Christian, when they where once an atheist.

probably fewer certainly......I doubt there are many people that make their living being an atheist......but who knows....maybe Steven Hawking takes sleeping pills over his anxiety that you discover he's a closet Pentecostal......

SassyLady
11-11-2010, 01:26 PM
probably fewer certainly......I doubt there are many people that make their living being an atheist......but who knows....

I was thinking the same thing.

Missileman
11-11-2010, 03:16 PM
I was thinking the same thing.

You don't think there's a conflict of interest there?

Thunderknuckles
11-11-2010, 03:37 PM
I have undergone a similar crisis of faith. Hell, I outright rejected the idea of God after entering college and majoring in Physics. I slowly came back once I began to believe the Bible was not necessarily the inspired word of God but rather an attempt by organized religion to present God in an image they felt was most appropriate to them. In other words, I began to believe that the underlying faith in God was sound. It was man, in all his imperfections, who distorted the message to serve his own agenda. As such, I'm not a big fan of organized religion but I'm still a big fan of God :)

revelarts
11-11-2010, 04:04 PM
I just wonder how many people have had sleepless nights, worrying about their loved ones, their social status and everything that defines them because they want to come out as a Christian, when they where once an atheist.

I've read of many cases where Christians professors at universities have Kept silence on many of thier beliefs because they thought it would cause them problems. Science and socialist.. i mean social studies type areas mostly. School teachers in some public school systems face the same issue. Nurses at hospitals that provide abortions. to name a few places where secular culture applies pressure to Christians at work. In some countries of course many Christians are forced not to acknowledge there faith at all, for fear of repercussions, up to the point of death.

Those poor guys need to quit though. Sales and Social work are a natural transitions for pastors, I'm not sure why they feel so stuck. hmm seems they lack faith in more ways than 1.

SassyLady
11-11-2010, 10:21 PM
You don't think there's a conflict of interest there?

How so?