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Kathianne
12-12-2010, 03:57 PM
Your thoughts?


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/12/027894.php?format=print


Incomplete lessons in equality
December 12, 2010 Posted by Paul at 1:22 PM

In an article called "In higher education, lessons in equality," the Washington Post reports that at two local public universities, Towson and George Mason, the graduation gap between minority and non-minority students has disappeared. This is noteworthy because elsewhere the gap is large. It is 19 points at the University of Michigan, 22 points at the University of Wisconsin, and 24 points of the University of Colorado. Top private colleges also have small but measurable gaps (the Post cites Harvard and Dartmouth). And nationally, the graduation rate for minority students is less than 50 percent.

The most effective way to end the graduation gap is to admit a minority student body that is as qualified for the college in question as its majority counterpart -- that is, admit students based on merit alone, without regard to race or ethnicity. Indeed, this is almost certainly the only way to substantially eliminate the gap at top state universities like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Colorado.

The Post hints at this reality, noting that Towson focuses on admitting minority students who earn good grades at good public schools. But the Post never mentions the impact of race-based admissions on graduation rates. Yet, logic tells us that as long as universities lower their admissions standards for minority applicants, the graduation gap will persist. Analysis I have seen of the California university system tends to confirm this rather obvious reality.

The problem can be mitigated at a given college by giving greater weight to grades than to test scores - in other words, insisting that minority applicants have grade point averages comparable to white applicants and granting most of the preferential treatment when it comes to SAT scores. This strategy works because grades seem to be a much better predictor of likelihood of graduation than board scores....

My view goes along with the bloggers, admit those with real probability of success. I think the worst thing that can be done to anyone is give false hope.

SassyLady
12-12-2010, 05:15 PM
Your thoughts?


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/12/027894.php?format=print



My view goes along with the bloggers, admit those with real probability of success. I think the worst thing that can be done to anyone is give false hope.

I think anyone who wants an education should be allowed to pursue it and apply wherever they choose. However, I don't like quotas. Quotas can't make a person smarter, or have a better work/study ethic. Selecting applicants from a strictly test based and grade history aspect, I think, is fair to all. I also liked it when schools started using the weighted GPA system.

Kathianne
12-12-2010, 05:22 PM
I think anyone who wants an education should be allowed to pursue it and apply wherever they choose. However, I don't like quotas. Quotas can't make a person smarter, or have a better work/study ethic. Selecting applicants from a strictly test based and grade history aspect, I think, is fair to all. I also liked it when schools started using the weighted GPA system.

So what criteria should schools use? I doubt you mean that all schools should admit all applicants, as that would be impossible for most.

SassyLady
12-12-2010, 05:36 PM
So what criteria should schools use? I doubt you mean that all schools should admit all applicants, as that would be impossible for most.

No, I'm totally for any system that weeds out those who aren't capable....because those who are capable shouldn't be denied because they don't fit the quotas.

Kathianne
12-12-2010, 05:39 PM
No, I'm totally for any system that weeds out those who aren't capable....because those who are capable shouldn't be denied because they don't fit the quotas.

But you are favoring quotas? Based upon what criteria?

SassyLady
12-12-2010, 05:53 PM
But you are favoring quotas? Based upon what criteria?

OK ... here's what I believe ... whether you want to call it a quota or something else.

Admissions should be based upon the most qualified ... and criteria should be GPA and test scores......and if all are equal, then apply community service to narrow down even further.

Kathianne
12-12-2010, 11:34 PM
OK ... here's what I believe ... whether you want to call it a quota or something else.

Admissions should be based upon the most qualified ... and criteria should be GPA and test scores......and if all are equal, then apply community service to narrow down even further.

I was so totally misunderstanding what you were saying. I've not thought quotas by race a good practice since the Baake case. I can see giving points for those from low income and high grades, with a minimum ACT or SAT score.