AZ Representative Head Shot Point Blank

[Kathianne]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_shooting_congresswoman


Representative Giffords shot in Arizona, gunman held
Reuters

– 5 mins ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head while holding a public event in Tucson, Fox News and National Public Radio reported on Saturday.

Fox said 11 other people were shot when an unidentified gunman ran up and began shooting indiscriminately as Giffords addressed supporters.

Giffords was shot point blank in the head, Fox said.
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The network said the gunman was in custody.

Giffords, 40, a Democrat, is married to U.S. astronaut Mark Kelly. She took office in January 2007, emphasizing issues such as immigration reform, embryonic stem-cell research, alternative energy sources and a higher minimum wage.

[Kathianne]

I'm unfamiliar with her, anyone know anything about her?

[Kathianne]

It appears she's dead, along with others:

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona


Congresswoman, 6 Others, Killed By Gunman

by NPR Staff
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
Drew Angerer/AP

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and six others died after a gunman opened fire at a public event on Saturday, the Pima County, Ariz., sheriff's office confirms.

The 40-year-old Democrat, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

At least three other people, including members of her staff, were injured. Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson.

...

[SassyLady]

Reports are now saying she has died .... I think she was a "Blue Dog" Democrat ... and used to be a Republican. Heard there are multiple fatalities

She was just re-elected .... beat out a Tea Party candidate. I think she was supporting a 5% reduction in pay for legislators.

This Safeway is the one next to my daughter's ex-husband's house and I was calling frantically this morning to make sure they were not at the Town Hall meeting. Ex-son-in-law is a teacher and I could just see him taking her to the Town Hall meeting as a civics lesson.

Thankfully, they are home.

We were all very freaked out about this until we located everyone we knew to make sure everyone was safe.

[SassyLady]

There was a child shot and has died. Latest is that the gunman was shot by security and is in custody.

[avatar4321]

Ive heard that the gunman was tackled by a witness... but still dont know much about that. it's a shame.

What's really disgusting is that her body isnt cold and there are people playing politics with it.

[SassyLady]

She wanted more immigration control, more troops on border.....she wasn't concerned about upsetting her fellow democrats regarding immigration reform.

[Kathianne]

While it doesn't sound good, NPR has retracted:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110108/ts_yblog_theticket/report-congresswoman-giffords-shot


Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot and possibly killed Saturday. NPR previously reported that Giffords was dead, but has since retracted that. The local sheriff, Clarence Dupnick, has told MSNBC that she is still alive and a hospital spokesman has also told MSNBC that Giffords is alive and in surgery. She was hosting a public event at a Safeway grocery store on the north side of Tucson.

NPR says Giffords and 6 others were killed. According to Dupnick, 5 people were killed and 6 wounded.

The motives of the attacker, who was detained on the scene and taken into custody, are at this point unknown. Fox is reporting that the gunman "ran up and began shooting indiscriminately as Giffords addressed supporters." According to the New York Times, the Tuscon Citizen is reporting that Giffords was shot at close range.

Witnesses say that the gunman was in his "late teens or early twenties." An eyewitness who contacted Gawker says that he was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing." According to their source, he looked like a "fringe character."

Giffords was first elected represent Arizona's 8th district in 2006. She was married to astronaut Mike Kelly.

[Trigg]

According to this article she is still alive. I hope she pulls through

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108arizona-giffords-brk.html




At least four people are dead, University Medical Center spokesman Darci Slaten said. They were among five to seven people who were being treated.

[SassyLady]

According to this article she is still alive. I hope she pulls through

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108arizona-giffords-brk.html

Yes....I just heard that too! Hopefully they can save her.

[Psychoblues]

Ive heard that the gunman was tackled by a witness... but still dont know much about that. it's a shame.

What's really disgusting is that her body isnt cold and there are people playing politics with it.

:link:

Could you link me up with some of that political playing, a21? I've looked for it but I can't find it.

Psychoblues

[SassyLady]

They are saying Congresswoman Giffords is responding to doctor's commands.....still not sure how much damage might have been done.

[SassyLady]

Federal Judge John Roll is one of the victims in Tucson shooting.

Shooter is a 22 year old white male ... possible Afghan war vet.

[Psychoblues]

9 year old girl dead from gunshot. Makes me want to throw up.

Psychoblues

[PostmodernProphet]

there have been links to his YouTube Channel on other boards.....his favorite video is a flag burning to the music "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor".....there is a report he was upset because the Dream Act didn't pass....

[Little-Acorn]

I pray she recovers. Doctors are now saying they are very optimistic that she will. A nine-year old girl, a Federal judge, and several others have died.

Miserable son-of-a-bitch who did this, should get the Death Penalty. He is not fit to live among humans.

[gabosaurus]

The unfortunate truth is, anyone could have done this. Due to the free availability of weapons.

[Little-Acorn]

The unfortunate truth is, anyone could have done this. Due to the free availability of weapons.

(sigh) Due to the free availability of insane whackos.

Anyone could have done this, by getting in a car, approaching at 50mph, and plowing through the crowd. Results would have been about the same.

It ain't the weapon.

Gabby is the kind of person who would try to control flooding by banning rain.

[hjmick]

(sigh) Due to the free availability of insane whackos.

Anyone could have done this, by getting in a car, approaching at 50mph, and plowing through the crowd. Results would have been about the same.

It ain't the weapon.

Gabby is the kind of person who would try to control flooding by banning rain.

Thanks, you saved me the trouble...

[gabosaurus]

Coincidence or not?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ut18br.jpg

[Trigg]

Coincidence or not?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ut18br.jpg

Your a real piece of work gabby.

The guy was nuts and didn't like her stand on the issues.

He was a raging liberal by the way, for god sake READ every once in a while.

But sure, in your world, lets blame Palin for what a wack job liberal does.

[DragonStryk72]

The unfortunate truth is, anyone could have done this. Due to the free availability of weapons.


right, because they wouldn't be hurt with a knife, or a baseball bat, or a big rock. It's only because of the gun that this could have happened. Gabs, death will happen as long as there are crazy people, weapons or no. Blame the person, not the inanimate objects

[gabosaurus]

He was a raging liberal by the way, for god sake READ every once in a while.


A "raging liberal"? Where in the hell did you get that from? I have not read anything about his political views one side or the other. You're the only presumptuous wacko in this thread. And what other political person puts out an elimination list marked with gun sites, to appeal to her gun-crazy fan base?

[Noir]

She seems to of been a victim of allot, her offices have been attacked in the past (after voting for Obamacare) there was some incident with a gun at a meeting during the midterms, there is a suspicious package at her congressional office and she's been shoot in the head today, bad business seems to of clung to her in recent times.

Here's hoping she pulls through.

[BoogyMan]

This really is the most completely ridiculous and disingenuous mentally challenged assertion I have EVER seen. Gabby is taking up the mantle of liberal bloggers like the KOStards and trying to run with their witless assertions.

Mental midgetry, pure and simple.


Coincidence or not?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ut18br.jpg

[BoogyMan]

A "raging liberal"? Where in the hell did you get that from? I have not read anything about his political views one side or the other. You're the only presumptuous wacko in this thread. And what other political person puts out an elimination list marked with gun sites, to appeal to her gun-crazy fan base?

http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1

[jimnyc]

:link:

Could you link me up with some of that political playing, a21? I've looked for it but I can't find it.

Psychoblues

Sure thing, here you go...


The unfortunate truth is, anyone could have done this. Due to the free availability of weapons.


Coincidence or not?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ut18br.jpg

[Noir]

This really is the most completely ridiculous and disingenuous mentally challenged assertion I have EVER seen. Gabby is taking up the mantle of liberal bloggers like the KOStards and trying to run with their witless assertions.

Mental midgetry, pure and simple.

As an aside, the women who was shot talked about this image during the midterms and said she felt uncomfortable about seeing her name in crosshairs and the message that could convay to some people. If indeed this guy turns out to of attacked her over something like Obamacare, then her previous fears may of been realised. That's all a massive 'if' though.

[Gaffer]

As an aside, the women who was shot talked about this image during the midterms and said she felt uncomfortable about seeing her name in crosshairs and the message that could convay to some people. If indeed this guy turns out to of attacked her over something like Obamacare, then her previous fears may of been realised. That's all a massive 'if' though.

To a conservative her name in cross hairs means she's targeted to be voted out of office. To a liberal moonbat it means she is to be taken out. The conservatives failed to get their target. A liberal moonbat didn't.

[Thunderknuckles]

First off, I am thankful for you Sassy that you and yours are well.

Secondly, Gabby if you are honestly going to blame this on the prevalence of guns then you really are a fool. A gun is a tool, a very destructive one at that. However, banning all guns would have never stopped this. The attacker would have just aquired another destructive tool to do the job.

Thirdly, my heart goes out to the family of the 9 year olg girl. I have 3 children myself. To think this could happen to them...

Lastly, Representative Giffords, you will be in my prayers. Let God's will be done.

This is tragic.

[BoogyMan]

As an aside, the women who was shot talked about this image during the midterms and said she felt uncomfortable about seeing her name in crosshairs and the message that could convay to some people. If indeed this guy turns out to of attacked her over something like Obamacare, then her previous fears may of been realised. That's all a massive 'if' though.

Did you read that poster? It talks about nothing more than unseating a democrat in an election, nothing more. Anyone with a stitch of honesty sees that FACT and will not make such moronic ties.

There were tagets over other districts as well. Does that mean anything bad that happens in those districts is Sarah Palin's fault?

[Noir]

Did you read that poster? It talks about nothing more than unseating a democrat in an election, nothing more. Anyone with a stitch of honesty sees that FACT and will not make such moronic ties.

There were tagets over other districts as well. Does that mean anything bad that happens in those districts is Sarah Palin's fault?

Yeah, and the women who is lying in a critcal condition in hospital at the minute felt uncomfortable about the poster. Maybe it has nothing to do with the shooting (I hope it has nothing to do with the shooting) but don't dismiss it out of hand because you as a reasonable person don't see it as a threat. The man who did this is obviously not a reasonable person,

[Gaffer]

Yeah, and the women who is lying in a critcal condition in hospital at the minute felt uncomfortable about the poster. Maybe it has nothing to do with the shooting (I hope it has nothing to do with the shooting) but don't dismiss it out of hand because you as a reasonable person don't see it as a threat. The man who did this is obviously not a reasonable person,

The man who did this was a liberal moonbat. He's probably never seen the poster. He went after someone that wasn't liberal enough for him.

In the next few days we will be hearing about his traumatic childhood and how he was a loner. The media will make a victim of him in some way. They are scrambling all over themselves to find something to tie him to right wingers and conservatives and especially the tea party. If no conservative ties they will play up his victim status or drop the story entirely.

[revelarts]

this is horrible. all the way around. God bless the docs and the families.

to the point of the poster.
one question. was there a poster with the 9 year kid's name in a cross hair?
The shooter obviously had more going on than any kind of misguided political issues.

Also just in general.
if Conservatives really wanted to "take out" the left they would have been gone long ago. there are enough angry gun toten conservative around to more than get the job done.

The shooter is NOT representative of the actions or intent of most conservatives. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you want to kill them.


I'm concerned that many here are right and this will turn into more tea party/conservative/gun rights bashing.
Hopefully it will stop at accusations but i wonder if it will be used as another excuse to curtail rights, for our safety.

[gabosaurus]

So tell me BoogerMan, where does the violent rhetoric in the anti-Health Care debate come from? Which side carries the guns and makes the violent threats?
During the midterm elections, Giffords was opposed by a Tea Party supported candidate, Jesse Kelly. During the campaign, Sarah Palin made a statement that said that politicians like Giffords needed to be removed "by whatever methods available." (By the way, isn't it strange to references to Giffords and the race vs. Kelly have disappeared from Palin's websites?)
At one point during the campaign, Kelly sponsored a campaign event called "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." In the event, you made a contribution and got to shoot a weapon with the candidate.

Obviously, the suspect in the case is mentally deranged. So why did he have a weapon? Is it because every American, no matter how sick they are, has the right to own a gun?

[fj1200]

A "raging liberal"? Where in the hell did you get that from?

This will be a good test then, if we hear about it every day until the next election from the MSM... he's a conservative. If we hear absolutely nothing... then he's a lib.

[gabosaurus]

Yeah, and the women who is lying in a critcal condition in hospital at the minute felt uncomfortable about the poster. Maybe it has nothing to do with the shooting (I hope it has nothing to do with the shooting) but don't dismiss it out of hand because you as a reasonable person don't see it as a threat. The man who did this is obviously not a reasonable person,


From the AP followup about the shooting:

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described the gunman as mentally unstable and possibly acting with an accomplice. He said Giffords was among 13 people wounded in the melee that killed six people, including a 9-year-old girl, an aide for the Democratic lawmaker and U.S. District Judge John Roll, who had just stopped by to see his friend Giffords after celebrating Mass. Dupnik said the rampage ended only after two people tackled the gunman.

The sheriff blamed the vitriolic political rhetoric that has consumed the country, much of it centered in Arizona.

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," he said. "And unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Giffords expressed similar concern, even before the shooting. In an interview after her office was vandalized, she referred to the animosity against her by conservatives, including Sarah Palin's decision to list Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

[Missileman]

So tell me BoogerMan, where does the violent rhetoric in the anti-Health Care debate come from? Which side carries the guns and makes the violent threats?
During the midterm elections, Giffords was opposed by a Tea Party supported candidate, Jesse Kelly. During the campaign, Sarah Palin made a statement that said that politicians like Giffords needed to be removed "by whatever methods available." (By the way, isn't it strange to references to Giffords and the race vs. Kelly have disappeared from Palin's websites?)
At one point during the campaign, Kelly sponsored a campaign event called "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." In the event, you made a contribution and got to shoot a weapon with the candidate.

Obviously, the suspect in the case is mentally deranged. So why did he have a weapon? Is it because every American, no matter how sick they are, has the right to own a gun?

I'm waiting to see the outcries from the anti-gun whackos when some guy wanders in to a McDonalds and kills a few people with a rock, or a baseball bat, or a knife, or perhaps even with his bare hands.

BTW, gun ownership IS restricted...for instance convicted felons aren't legally allowed to possess one. One of these days, you might develop the mental capacity to understand that you have nothing to fear from the law-abiding gun owner.

[Missileman]

From the AP followup about the shooting:

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described the gunman as mentally unstable and possibly acting with an accomplice. He said Giffords was among 13 people wounded in the melee that killed six people, including a 9-year-old girl, an aide for the Democratic lawmaker and U.S. District Judge John Roll, who had just stopped by to see his friend Giffords after celebrating Mass. Dupnik said the rampage ended only after two people tackled the gunman.

The sheriff blamed the vitriolic political rhetoric that has consumed the country, much of it centered in Arizona.

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," he said. "And unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Giffords expressed similar concern, even before the shooting. In an interview after her office was vandalized, she referred to the animosity against her by conservatives, including Sarah Palin's decision to list Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

That's nothing but empty rhetoric seeing how they haven't established the motive for the shooting yet. The shooter lawyered up and isn't talking.

[PostmodernProphet]

I have not read anything about his political views one side or the other.

then don't you think it was stupid to try to blame this on Palin?.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Which side carries the guns and makes the violent threats?

neither or both, take your pick....

[gabosaurus]

No one is "blaming" anything on Palin. Just saying that she pushed the envelope in creating an atmosphere of anger. Along with the people who vandalized Giffords' office, made angry threats against her, carried guns to her campaign rallies, talked of "getting rid of her however possible."

I haven't seen anything that made the gunman a liberal or conservative. He is known to be intelligent and an avid reader, so that probably makes him a liberal.
But decide for yourself by reading this profile.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_91db5db4-1b74-11e0-ba23-001cc4c002e0.html

[Missileman]

No one is "blaming" anything on Palin. Just saying that she pushed the envelope in creating an atmosphere of anger. Along with the people who vandalized Giffords' office, made angry threats against her, carried guns to her campaign rallies, talked of "getting rid of her however possible."

I haven't seen anything that made the gunman a liberal or conservative. He is known to be intelligent and an avid reader, so that probably makes him a liberal.
But decide for yourself by reading this profile.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_91db5db4-1b74-11e0-ba23-001cc4c002e0.html

The current government is directly to blame for any animosity towards its members. With all the back room-after hours-wheeling and dealing to pass legislation that by their own admission they had no clue what it contained, our congress is fortunate that the whole lot of them weren't dragged into the streets and beaten within an inch of their lives. They heap insult and injury onto decent tax paying citizens and act shocked when people react in an unfriendly manner. Pelosi, Queen of Delusion, is still yapping that they accomplished all these great deeds when it's the farthest thing from the truth.

[krisy]

No one is "blaming" anything on Palin. Just saying that she pushed the envelope in creating an atmosphere of anger. Along with the people who vandalized Giffords' office, made angry threats against her, carried guns to her campaign rallies, talked of "getting rid of her however possible."

I haven't seen anything that made the gunman a liberal or conservative. He is known to be intelligent and an avid reader, so that probably makes him a liberal.
But decide for yourself by reading this profile.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_91db5db4-1b74-11e0-ba23-001cc4c002e0.html

"created an atmosphere of anger"?!!! are you serious ? As if Democrats don't spit fire during elections?! COME ON!!!!

I watched this guys youtube video.....there was nothing about Sarah Palin in it.

And I'll tell you what creates anger is morons like the Congresswoman (linda lopez,I think) that called Fox today and tried to say the tea party incited this violence during the recent campaign.

I'm guessing you're aware of the fact that she was not a liberal......sounded like a conservative Democrat. So should we start screaming that a liberal group could be behind this?

[SassyLady]

No one is "blaming" anything on Palin. Just saying that she pushed the envelope in creating an atmosphere of anger. Along with the people who vandalized Giffords' office, made angry threats against her, carried guns to her campaign rallies, talked of "getting rid of her however possible."

I haven't seen anything that made the gunman a liberal or conservative. He is known to be intelligent and an avid reader, so that probably makes him a liberal.
But decide for yourself by reading this profile.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_91db5db4-1b74-11e0-ba23-001cc4c002e0.html

Gabby ... I have an extensive library (I spend all my "sin" money on books and not drugs or alcohol) .... my father-in-law has a 2,000 sq. ft. library in his house, my son-in-law has two libraries in his house .... we are all conservatives. For you to make statements that only liberals are avid readers shows your lack of intelligence and sounds like left-wing talking points.

As for Palin creating an atmosphere of anger ... this shows just how far off base you are about your Tea Party beliefs. Tea Party people, and conservatives in general, were angry long before we ever heard of Palin. We were angry about the spending spree that Washington was on.

I'll bet this kid lived at home with his parents and sat in his room 24/7 smoking pot and dreaming about a socialist society. I personally don't believe this is politically motivated ... I think he's just a nut job who knew killing a politician would make him famous just like the nut jobs who tried to, or did, kill other politicians. The Congresswoman was having an event that was close to his home so he took advantage of it.

As for carrying guns ... I believe the Congresswoman also carries a gun.

[avatar4321]

Coincidence or not?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ut18br.jpg

Pycho, Gabs here has provided you with an example of what I was talking about. Sad isnt it?

[Psychoblues]

Sure thing, here you go...

That's was several hours after the original post about political gaming. Thanks anyway, sport. And not quite spot on. "It could have been anyone" is rather apolitical, eh?

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

Pycho, Gabs here has provided you with an example of what I was talking about. Sad isnt it?

Howzabout you come up with a link of your own and from something said about this specific incident and before you made your post. You jerkwads make me sick. You're a bunch of hate-filled fearmongers with clinical projection and paranoia problems. You make your shitty remark about making it political thereby making it political and now you bitch because you think it's political?

Gabby has come in several times to express her feelings that she knows nothing about the politics of the shooter but you assholes continue to put words in her mouth. Lord, I know what that's like on this board!!! But Gabby does know something about scope site crosshairs on the name of Gabrielle Giffords on that map. BTW, did you know that Ms. Sara has taken that map down from her website? She knows it was over the line.

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

That's was several hours after the original post about political gaming. Thanks anyway, sport. And not quite spot on. "It could have been anyone" is rather apolitical, eh?

Psychoblues

Like Gabby the NY Times can not wait to score cheap political points






While Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) fights for her life in a Tucson, Arizona, hospital, liberal media members continue to point fingers of blame for Saturday's tragic shooting spree at prominent conservatives such as Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck.

Jumping on this pathetic bandwagon Saturday was New York Times columnist Paul Krugman:


We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list. [...]

You know that Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. and the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months and years ahead. But violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a stand against the hate-mongers.





The Left are making a big issue out of the fact that Palin targeted Giffords as a vulnerable Democrat last year, but Markos Moulitsas did the same thing in June 2008:

As we've seen these past couple of weeks, we've got a problem in our caucus -- while we have been busy stocking up on more Democrats, fact is the good ones are being swamped by the bad ones. [...]

If your local congresscritter is one of the bad apples, start organizing locally. Plug into existing networks or start your own. Begin looking for primary challengers. Do the groundwork. Don't expect help from the local party establishment, they'll close ranks. So tap into alternate infrastructures. Find allies in the progressive movement. If your local shitty Democrat is anti-union, approach the unions. They'd love to send this kind of message. If the Democrat is anti-choice, work with the women's groups. If the Democrat is anti-environment ... you get the idea. If you have access to professional networks and money, start organizing those.

Of course, this takes more than just bitching about your frustrations on a blog, damning a whole party for the actions of a minority more scared of Mr. 28% than of protecting the Constitution they swore to protect. This takes hard work. But now is the time to start.

And while people like me will focus on the task at hand this year, it won't be long after Election Day that we'll start looking at the 2010 map, looking for those great primary challengers.

Who to primary? Well, I'd argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I've bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.

Giffords was one of the House representatives Markos bolded (h/t HillBuzz):

http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/main_photos/2011/January/Markos%20Bulls%20Eye.png

[red states rule]

A "raging liberal"? Where in the hell did you get that from? I have not read anything about his political views one side or the other. You're the only presumptuous wacko in this thread. And what other political person puts out an elimination list marked with gun sites, to appeal to her gun-crazy fan base?

Allow me to educate you Gabby






The irresponsible propagandists posing as journalists at the Associated Press are going to a frequently visited well tonight -- the one where any violence committed against a Democrat or liberal must somehow and in some way be due to a climate of hostility created solely by conservatives, Republicans, and more recently, Tea Party activists.

Never mind that the person who allegedly shot Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and murdered several others, Jared Loughner, is reportedly a marijuana-using loner who lists the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf as among his favorite books, or that the most recent items which could bee seen as potential incitements to violence against Giffords have come from the left, in response to her refusal to back Nancy Pelosi for Minority Leader in the House just days ago.

Specifically:

•Here's a link (partial screen grab here for when it comes down; corroborated by Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge) to Laughner's YouTube profile.

•Here's a screen grab of a DailyKos post from Thursday entitled "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi And is mow DEAD to Me!" Charming. Michelle Malkin notes that the post has been pulled. The post's author has left a comment stating: "i now am FULL of guilt after writing this diary. i am a proud atheist, so pray for yourself, not me. i don't need prayers, nor want them."

•It didn't take me long to find this comment at another "progressive" forum, where proprietor "Booman" travels into the realm of desiring thuggery: "Here's a list of disloyal jerkoff Democrats who didn't vote for Pelosi as Minority Leader ... I hope Pelosi crushes these idiots and makes their lives miserable. I'm not kidding."


Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/01/08/ap-determined-pin-giffords-shooting-multiple-murders-right-ignores-lefis#ixzz1AWaCfQkI

[red states rule]

As a women fights for her life all liberals can think about is how to benefit politically from this shooting

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[Joe Steel]

The unfortunate truth is, anyone could have done this. Due to the free availability of weapons.

America has become a madhouse. Instead of giving the misfits, malcontents and miscreants counseling, we give the guns.

[PostmodernProphet]

Howzabout you come up with a link of your own and from something said about this specific incident and before you made your post. You jerkwads make me sick. You're a bunch of hate-filled fearmongers with clinical projection and paranoia problems. You make your shitty remark about making it political thereby making it political and now you bitch because you think it's political?

Gabby has come in several times to express her feelings that she knows nothing about the politics of the shooter but you assholes continue to put words in her mouth. Lord, I know what that's like on this board!!! But Gabby does know something about scope site crosshairs on the name of Gabrielle Giffords on that map. BTW, did you know that Ms. Sara has taken that map down from her website? She knows it was over the line.

Psychoblues

nobody put words in her mouth, Psych.......she screwed up all on her own....and you've just jumped on her bandwagon......

[Joe Steel]

No one is "blaming" anything on Palin.

Hold it.

I am.

Palin is a second-rate intellect who never would have had a chance at politics if she didn't know how to give the bottom-feeders what they want. She knows they want to feel like patriots and real men so she tosses-out the gun metaphors; "target," "reload," "aim." She may not have pulled the trigger but she's responsible for this outrage because of her deliberate effort to exploit the ignorance of the gun cult.

[red states rule]

Hold it.

I am.

Palin is a dim-wit who never would have had a chance at politics if she didn't know how to give the bottom-feeders what they want. She knows they want to feel like patriots and real men so she tosses-out the gun metaphors; "target," "reload," "aim." She may not have pulled the trigger but she's responsible because of her deliberate effort to encourage the thugs and slugs of the gun cult.

Did you miss how the Daily Kos put the Congresswoemn in their crosshairs?

Or were you upset when a movie was made about the MURDER of Pres Bush?

Somehow I doubt it

[Joe Steel]

As a women fights for her life all liberals can think about is how to benefit politically from this shooting



No one can give Rep. Giffords more help than she's getting at the hospital. The only thing the rest of us can do is work to stop these massacres.

[red states rule]

No one can give Rep. Giffords more help than she's getting at the hospital. The only thing the rest of us can do is work to stop these massacres.

and meanwhile liberals show what REALLY matters to them

Making and scoring political points.

[Joe Steel]

Did you miss how the Daily Kos put the Congresswoemn in their crosshairs?

Kos didn't.

You did.

The Daily Kos article, 2010 will be primary season (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568), has no graphics and doesn't use the word "crosshairs."

[red states rule]

Kos didn't.

You did.

The Daily Kos article, 2010 will be primary season (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568), has no graphics and doesn't use the word "crosshairs."

Please look at post 49 son. the picture i posted was from their website

But in case you are too lazy to go back - here it is

http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/main_photos/2011/January/Markos%20Bulls%20Eye.png

[Joe Steel]

and meanwhile liberals show what REALLY matters to them

Making and scoring political points.

Law starts with politics. Now is the time to make sure America understands the weaknesses of our laws.

[jimnyc]

"getting rid of her however possible."

Gabs - that is 2x now that you put direct quotes, literally, into Palin's mouth. Can you please supply me to a link where she states this?

[red states rule]

Law starts with politics. Now is the time to make sure America understands the weaknesses of our laws.

Translation - I have to change the subject now



and Joe we have this DNC ad made during the Bush years

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/demmap.jpg?w=400&h=357

[Joe Steel]

Please look at post 49 son. the picture i posted was from their website

But in case you are too lazy to go back - here it is


No. Your link is from Newsbusters, http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/main_photos/2011/January/Markos%20Bulls%20Eye.png.

I gave you a link to the original Daily Kos article. Use it.

[red states rule]

No. Your link is from Newsbusters, http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/main_photos/2011/January/Markos%20Bulls%20Eye.png.

I gave you a link to the original Daily Kos article. Use it.

and the link from the Daily Kos and their target ad

Seems libs can TARGET people and you have no issue wth it Joe

[Joe Steel]

and the link from the Daily Kos and their target ad

Daily Kos had no target ad.

Get it?

The url in the image you posted is for the original Kos article. It does not contain what you say it contains.

[red states rule]

Daily Kos had no target ad.

Get it?

The url in the image you posted is for the original Kos article. It does not contain what you say it contains.

Joe, the Daily Kos kooks did TARGET her. The web address is right there

She and other Dems who failed to vote the way the Kos kooks wanted

Of course I am not surprised you give a pass to the DNC, and the Daily Kos when they TARGET poltiical opponents. It was expected

[jimnyc]

Daily Kos had no target ad.

No ad about targeting them? No wording about bullseye?

I suggest you take a closer look, here's the original article. The ONLY thing not there is the picture of the bullseye, the rest is there including their words to target them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

[red states rule]

No ad about targeting them? No wording about bullseye?

I suggest you take a closer look, here's the original article. The ONLY thing not there is the picture of the bullseye, the rest is there including their words to target them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

Like Gabby, Joe lives by the usual set of double standards Jim. Without these double standards, they would have no standards at all

While the bodies are even cold, and the Congresswomen fights for her life - all the left can do is attack, smear, and try to score very cheap political points

How soon before an elected Dems pushes for more gun control laws, and uses this shooting to advance the liberal social agenda?

[jimnyc]

Like Gabby, Joe lives by the usual set of double standards Jim. Without these double standards, they would have no standards at all

While the bodies are even cold, and the Congresswomen fights for her life - all the left can do is attack, smear, and try to score very cheap political points

How soon before an elected Dems pushes for more gun control laws, and uses this shooting to advance the liberal social agenda?

I bet gabs ignores my request to backup her quotes about Palin...

These 2 just make shit up in their heads, believe it, and then go "nah nah nah nah nah nah nah" to block out the facts when shoveled into their faces.

[red states rule]

I bet gabs ignores my request to backup her quotes about Palin...

These 2 just make shit up in their heads, believe it, and then go "nah nah nah nah nah nah nah" to block out the facts when shoveled into their faces.

Of course she wil. She will dismiss your post as an example of the "hate" that cuased this shooting

Gabby looks for things to use to advance her liberal causes. Even dead people are pawns for people like Gabby to be moved on the chess board of politics.

When they have been used they are tossed aside and forgot about

This morning on CSPAN many libs like Gabby and Joe called in and blamed the Tea Party, Limbaugh, Beck, and conservatives for what happened

Yet these same libs forgot about their real hate and death wishes they expressed during the 8 years of GWB

Of course, back then disent was patriotic - now it is hate and racist

[Joe Steel]

No ad about targeting them? No wording about bullseye?

I suggest you take a closer look, here's the original article. The ONLY thing not there is the picture of the bullseye, the rest is there including their words to target them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

And I suggest you read what I posted because you're misrepresenting it.

Kos had a article not an ad.

Kos used the words "target" and "bullseye" but not "crosshairs."

Kos did not include any image in the article.

[BoogyMan]

The wit of your twisting of my name has left me giggling in a 3rd grade playground kind of way. :lol:


So tell me BoogerMan, where does the violent rhetoric in the anti-Health Care debate come from? Which side carries the guns and makes the violent threats?
During the midterm elections, Giffords was opposed by a Tea Party supported candidate, Jesse Kelly. During the campaign, Sarah Palin made a statement that said that politicians like Giffords needed to be removed "by whatever methods available." (By the way, isn't it strange to references to Giffords and the race vs. Kelly have disappeared from Palin's websites?)

I note your lack of a single link to your claims, Gabby. Why is that?

What violent threats have been made? The only thing I see is that you and your liberal buddies want to take a terrible event and turn it into something you can use as a bludgeon based on your personally held views of people who believe differently than you. You want to push a stereotype of conservatives created by liberal loons as a truth. That dog wont hunt.

Where are the links to TPM, ThinkProgress, Common Dreams, et al? No reasonable person other than the witless mouth breathers at sites like those are going to make the allegations that you seem to be parroting here.



At one point during the campaign, Kelly sponsored a campaign event called "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." In the event, you made a contribution and got to shoot a weapon with the candidate.

Obviously, the suspect in the case is mentally deranged. So why did he have a weapon? Is it because every American, no matter how sick they are, has the right to own a gun?

Every American DOES have the right to own a gun. Like it or not, the 2nd amendment exists and you really don't have a leg to stand on.

The nut that did this is the sole person who holds responsibility for the reprehensible actions undertaken in Tucson yesterday and no amount of liberal frothy mouthed sickness should be introduced to try and change the fact that something sick happened there into a political weapon.

[jimnyc]

And I suggest you read what I posted because you're misrepresenting it.

Kos had a article not an ad.

Kos used the words "target" and "bullseye" but not "crosshairs."

Kos did not include any image in the article.

Semantics...

They had a list of politicians and referred to them as targets and used the term bullseye. It was irresponsible crap. At least an "ad" would have given them an out, but it's even worse that they considered it as part of "news".

[red states rule]

And I suggest you read what I posted because you're misrepresenting it.

Kos had a article not an ad.

Kos used the words "target" and "bullseye" but not "crosshairs."

Kos did not include any image in the article.

So it is bad when Sarah Palin "targets" Dems it is bad and is the cause for murder

But when Dems "targets" political opponents - there is nothing to talk about

When the DNC "targets" opponents in an ad - you say NOTHING

Yes Joe, your double standards are alive and well.

[red states rule]

Semantics...

They had a list of politicians and referred to them as targets and used the term bullseye. It was irresponsible crap. At least an "ad" would have given them an out, but it's even worse that they considered it as part of "news".

Jim I hope I do ot get in trouble for this but it would not surprise me if some libs are hoping this poor women dies so they can use her death as an excuse to try and put Sarah Palin on trial for manslaughter or murder

Use her death as an excuse to ram thru the Fairness Doctrine so they can pull the plug on talk radio

Nothing about these people surprises me anymore

[Joe Steel]

Semantics...

They had a list of politicians and referred to them as targets and used the term bullseye. It was irresponsible crap. At least an "ad" would have given them an out, but it's even worse that they considered it as part of "news".

Nonsense.

The rather long article argued for primary challenges to officials whose political views were inconsistent with the author's. It required reading and reasoning. It wasn't an emotionally-charged message intended to be delivered in 10 seconds without much thought as was the ad.

[red states rule]

Nonsense.

The rather long article argued for primary challenges to officials whose political views were inconsistent with the author's. It required reading and reasoning. It wasn't an emotionally-charged message intended to be delivered in 10 seconds without much thought as was the ad.

Joe you are a such a fool. You ignore the double standrad you and your ilk are sprewing today as people lie on a slab and in the ICU trying to stay alive

The hate and death wishes your side tossed out for 8 years is forgotten and ignored - but you use the murder of innocent people to push your looney left agenda

How the hell people like you can sleep at niught is amazing

[Little-Acorn]

Joe you are a such a fool. You ignore the double standrad you and your ilk are sprewing today as people lie on a slab and in the ICU trying to stay alive

The hate and death wishes your side tossed out for 8 years is forgotten and ignored - but you use the murder of innocent people to push your looney left agenda

How the hell people like you can sleep at niught is amazing

After enough exposure to rhetoric like little joe's, gabby's, and psycho's, I am starting to believe that these three are actually employees of the DP board; or perhaps they are all one person. His/their function is to increase the volume of posts from the real members, by making outrageous and completely fatuous announcements on an issue that comes up. He/they might even be moderate or conservative posters who are calculating what statements will generate the most responses. Nearly every board I am on, seems to have at least one such, but never many. Their "style" and technique is boringly repetitive, and it is often hard to tell the difference between them, except for the name in the upper left corner of their posts.

I can imagine nothing else that would account for the baffling level of stupidity that consistently shows in his/their posts, nor the blind obtuseness that characterizes his/their "replies" that get repeatedly refuted or debunked every time they are posted, yet keep reappearing as "new" assertions in later threads.

Basically, no one can be as ignorant and intellectually void as these "three" profess to be, and still be able to lace their shoes or make correct change in the Safeway aisle. The only possible conclusion is, that they are faking it.

Relax, people, and quit feeding the trolls - especially trolls who don't believe what they themselves are saying.

[red states rule]

After enough exposure to rhetoric like little joe's, gabby's, and psycho's, I am starting to believe that these three are actually employees of the DP board; or perhaps they are all one person. His/their function is to increase the volume of posts from the real members, by making outrageous and completely fatuous announcements on an issue that comes up. He/they might even be moderate or conservative posters who are calculating what statements will generate the most responses.

I can imagine nothing else that would account for the baffling level of stupidity that consistently shows in his/their posts, nor the blind obtuseness that characterizes his/their "replies" that get repeatedly refuted or debunked every time they are posted.

Basically, no one can be as ignorant and intellectually void as these "three" profess to be, and still be able to lace their shoes or make correc change in the Safeway aisle.

Relax, people, and quit feeding the trolls - especially trolls who don't believe what they themselves are saying.

LA I would like to think so but after listening to Dems on CSPAN, watching Dems on TV this morning, and trying to debate libs at progressivesonline.com - they are real and they actually believe the crap they are sprewing

This is the new hot topic to smear Tea party members,and anyone who dares to disagree with Obama

They are using this shooting to their full advantage and it is sad to se how low the left will sink to advance their agenda

[jimnyc]

After enough exposure to rhetoric like little joe's, gabby's, and psycho's, I am starting to believe that these three are actually employees of the DP board; or perhaps they are all one person. His/their function is to increase the volume of posts from the real members, by making outrageous and completely fatuous announcements on an issue that comes up. He/they might even be moderate or conservative posters who are calculating what statements will generate the most responses. Nearly every board I am on, seems to have at least one such, but never many. Their "style" and technique is boringly repetitive, and it is often hard to tell the difference between them, except for the name in the upper left corner of their posts.

I can imagine nothing else that would account for the baffling level of stupidity that consistently shows in his/their posts, nor the blind obtuseness that characterizes his/their "replies" that get repeatedly refuted or debunked every time they are posted, yet keep reappearing as "new" assertions in later threads.

Basically, no one can be as ignorant and intellectually void as these "three" profess to be, and still be able to lace their shoes or make correct change in the Safeway aisle. The only possible conclusion is, that they are faking it.

Relax, people, and quit feeding the trolls - especially trolls who don't believe what they themselves are saying.

It would be impossible for me to hire any of them. I would only pay what their value would actually be, and therefore would be in violation of the minimum wage laws.

[red states rule]

It would be impossible for me to hire any of them. I would only pay what their value would actually be, and therefore would be in violation of the minimum wage laws.

as well as the child labor laws

[Gaffer]

It does make me wonder about some of these posters and whether they are paid in some way by liberal groups to get on boards and spew propaganda. They do use the same talking points and even say the same things on other boards. I have to wonder if they are paid hourly or by the post. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a liberal group out there sponsoring just such activities. Of course this enters into the realm of conspiracy theory.

[red states rule]

It does make me wonder about some of these posters and whether they are paid in some way by liberal groups to get on boards and spew propaganda. They do use the same talking points and even say the same things on other boards. I have to wonder if they are paid hourly or by the post. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a liberal group out there sponsoring just such activities. Of course this enters into the realm of conspiracy theory.

All they are doing is parroting the liberal media's talking points. Again, they are not worth the space they are taking up on this board with their posts

If you want to read what they are posting go to abc.com; cbs.com, abc.com; msnbc.com; and you will see the same garbage

Only problem is the kook was a leftie who was pissed Congresswomen Gifford did not vote for Pelosi as minority leader

The facts are gwetting in the way of the lefts talking points once again

[Little-Acorn]

It would be impossible for me to hire any of them. I would only pay what their value would actually be, and therefore would be in violation of the minimum wage laws.

I didn't say you hired them.

Sorry, but it's just too much of a stretch to believe that people who actually believe the stuff these three (one?) come up with, could be real humans. Gabby fits the stereotype of "dumb blonde with zero sense, memory, or accountability" a little too perfectly. It makes more sense that she(he) is simply playing up the stereotype, like Hillary faking a southern twang. And little joe can be counted on to come down on the wrong side of EVERY issue, EVERY time, no matter how completely silly that side is on some issues. Again, it's just too perfect. Nobody that stupid could possibly be a real human.

I'm afraid that we've been played for fools for a long time by this person making up the gabby/joe/psycho characters. And successfully - look how much bandwidth has been wasted over the months/years he has been playing this game, as people reply and try to explain things to him/them. Anyone so completely impervious to common sense, has to be faking it. Or they would not be able to dress themselves in the morning, nor put food into the right orfice on their heads at meals without assistance.

The gabby/joe/psycho personae have been faked here for years. And many of us have fallen for it... probably because we WANTED to believe that such complete loons exist.

Has any of you ever known (that is, met face to face and become familiar with) anyone who even comes close to the senseless moonbattery these "three" exhibit with EVERY post?

Not possible. You've been had.

[red states rule]

I didn't say you hired them.

Sorry, but it's just too much of a stretch to believe that people who actually believe the stuff these three (one?) come up with, could be real humans. Gabby fits the stereotype of "dumb blonde with zero sense, memory, or accountability" a little too perfectly. It makes more sense that she(he) is simply playing up the stereotype, like Hillary faking a southern twang. And little joe can be counted on to come down on the wrong side of EVERY issue, EVERY time, no matter how completely silly that side is on some issues. Again, it's just too perfect. Nobody that stupid could possibly be a real human.

I'm afraid that we've been played for fools for a long time by this person making up the gabby/joe/psycho characters. And successfully - look how much bandwidth has been wasted over the months/yeas he has been playing this game, as people reply and try to explain things to them. Anyone so completely impervious to common sense, has to be faking it. Or they would not be able to dress themselves in the morning, nor put food into the right orfice on their heads at meals without assistance.

The gabby/joe/psycho personae have been faked here for years. And many of us have fallen for it... probably because we WANTED to believe that such complete loons exist.

Has any of you ever known (that is, met face to face and become familiar with) anyone who even comes close to the senseless moonbattery these "three" exhibit with EVERY post?

Not possible. You've been had.

It is possible

On progressivesionbline this is an exmaple of the more MILD libs




Re: Healthcare Issues Part 2.

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Catch Keith Olbermann on MSNBC tonight! He has a Republican leader from Illinois who shows Brewer 26 ways for finding money to fund operations for the few patients who need transplants to survive!

Viewers have contributed to a fund Olbermann founded to help the people who don't have insurance! He's going to have a 27 year old that will die soon if she can't get a lung transplant.

Why don't those well paid surgeons donate some time?
Why don't those well paid PRIVATE HOSPITALS help?

So much better than Az. Death panel member, Jan Brewer:


Quote:
Connecticut, Vermont Move Forward on Their Own Health Care Options
By: David Dayen Friday January 7, 2011 1:30 pm

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/01/...-care-options/


http://progressivesonline.com/showthread.php?t=2742

[Little-Acorn]

In a live news conference, still going now, two of the doctors who operated on the congresswoman, said they are cautiously optimistic - similar to earlier reports.

They also said that the bullet did not go from one side of the brain to the other (which could have been very destructive), but "traversed the entire length of the brain, on the left side, from back to front".

Sounds like she was shot in the back of the head. Either she saw the shooter coming with the gun, and turned to flee just before she was shot; or she had finished her speech and had turned away to go to the back of the area and never knew anything was amiss before the bullet hit her.

Recall that six other people were killed, including a nine-year-old girl, and a dozen or more wounded.

The son of a bitch who did this, deserves the death penalty. He is not fit to live among humans.

[Little-Acorn]

It is possible

On progressivesionbline this is an exmaple of the more MILD libs

RSR, have you met anyone IN PERSON who says anything like this? Ever?

[red states rule]

In a live news conference, still going now, two of the doctors who operated on the congresswoman, said they are cautiously optimistic - similar to earlier reports.

They also said that the bullet did not go from one side of the brain to the other (which could have been very destructive), but "traversed the entire length of the brain, on the left side, from back to front".

Sounds like she was shot in the back of the head. Either she saw the shooter coming with the gun, and turned to flee just before she was shot; or she had finished her speech and had turned away to go to the back of the area and never knew anything was amiss before the bullet hit her.

Recall that six other people were killed, including a nine-year-old girl, and a dozen or more wounded.

The son of a bitch who did this, deserves the death penalty. He is not fit to live among humans.

I heard she was shot in the temple and the bullet exited the forehead. the guy who kept pressure to the wound is credited with her still being alive

Yes, the bastard who did this should be put to death

But we both know if he gets the death sentence he will do life on death row

[Gaffer]

I didn't say you hired them.

Sorry, but it's just too much of a stretch to believe that people who actually believe the stuff these three (one?) come up with, could be real humans. Gabby fits the stereotype of "dumb blonde with zero sense, memory, or accountability" a little too perfectly. It makes more sense that she(he) is simply playing up the stereotype, like Hillary faking a southern twang. And little joe can be counted on to come down on the wrong side of EVERY issue, EVERY time, no matter how completely silly that side is on some issues. Again, it's just too perfect. Nobody that stupid could possibly be a real human.

I'm afraid that we've been played for fools for a long time by this person making up the gabby/joe/psycho characters. And successfully - look how much bandwidth has been wasted over the months/yeas he has been playing this game, as people reply and try to explain things to them. Anyone so completely impervious to common sense, has to be faking it. Or they would not be able to dress themselves in the morning, nor put food into the right orfice on their heads at meals without assistance.

The gabby/joe/psycho personae have been faked here for years. And many of us have fallen for it... probably because we WANTED to believe that such complete loons exist.

Has any of you ever known (that is, met face to face and become familiar with) anyone who even comes close to the senseless moonbattery these "three" exhibit with EVERY post?

Not possible. You've been had.

Actually such people do exist. I have met a few in real life that think just like these three. We have had others here as well, they just haven't stuck around. The dark lord would not be in office if a large portion of the country were not incredibly stupid.

Psyco has just recently become semi-coherent. He's still getting his brain cells realigned. He's a hardcore follower of the MSM.

Gabby is a DNC hack. She's here to troll and stir things up. And I would not be surprised if she were on some liberal payroll.

joe is just a baffoon. He gets on and posts when things happen and we know that he wasn't the one involved...this time.

They are not the same person, but it's possible they are all affiliated with each other in some way. A virgil directed group.

[red states rule]

RSR, have you met anyone IN PERSON who says anything like this? Ever?

As a matter of effect yes

There are 2 people who who live in my area who resempble these comments

One ran for office in 2004 and was osundly defeated. After the election he had a letter to the Editoor attacking the "money worshiping voters" and has since risen in the ranks of the local Dems

His name is Paul Politis and he is the head of the local Dem party

The other is a retired union hack who is a big player - surprise - the local Dem party and his name in Marlin Wagner. He also send insulting LTE every month and provides much comin relief. The problem is he believes his hate filled crap as does Gabby, and Joe

They do live LA and they are for real.

[BoogyMan]

It does make me wonder about some of these posters and whether they are paid in some way by liberal groups to get on boards and spew propaganda. They do use the same talking points and even say the same things on other boards. I have to wonder if they are paid hourly or by the post. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a liberal group out there sponsoring just such activities. Of course this enters into the realm of conspiracy theory.

That is because the all feed on the same intellectual fecal matter from Think Progress, Daily KOS, Common Dreams, HuffPo, etc.

The flying monkeys have been dispatched en masse.

[Palin Rider]

Actually such people do exist. I have met a few in real life that think just like these three. We have had others here as well, they just haven't stuck around. The dark lord would not be in office if a large portion of the country were not incredibly stupid.

Psyco has just recently become semi-coherent. He's still getting his brain cells realigned. He's a hardcore follower of the MSM.

Gabby is a DNC hack. She's here to troll and stir things up. And I would not be surprised if she were on some liberal payroll.

joe is just a baffoon. He gets on and posts when things happen and we know that he wasn't the one involved...this time.

They are not the same person, but it's possible they are all affiliated with each other in some way. A virgil directed group.

Thank you, Joe McCarthy.

This kind of shit is truly right up your alley.

[Gaffer]

Thank you, Joe McCarthy.

This kind of shit is truly right up your alley.

McCarthy was right.

You came to mind too. Was wondering why you hadn't jumped in to make Palin accusations as well. Your more a troll with nothing to add to any discussion accept snide remarks about the posters. I'm sure you felt left out that I didn't bring you up. I categorize you as an annoying fly.

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

Jim I hope I do ot get in trouble for this but it would not surprise me if some libs are hoping this poor women dies so they can use her death as an excuse to try and put Sarah Palin on trial for manslaughter or murder

Use her death as an excuse to ram thru the Fairness Doctrine so they can pull the plug on talk radio

Nothing about these people surprises me anymore

Liberals like Gabby and Joe are low lifes that stoop to any level to Support their Wacky views

[Palin Rider]

McCarthy was right.

You came to mind too. Was wondering why you hadn't jumped in to make Palin accusations as well. Your more a troll with nothing to add to any discussion accept snide remarks about the posters. I'm sure you felt left out that I didn't bring you up. I categorize you as an annoying fly.
Well that pretty much says it all, when it comes to hatemongers like you. Thanks for the honesty. :clap:

[Gaffer]

Well that pretty much says it all, when it comes to hatemongers like you. Thanks for the honesty. :clap:

Thank you for making my point.

[Palin Rider]

Thank you for making my point.

You made your own point the second you said "McCarthy was right." Again, good job.

[KarlMarx]

Coincidence or not?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ut18br.jpg

What a revolting post.. honest to goodness... some people are too stupid to be embarrassed.

The bodies aren't even cold yet and people like this one can't wait to get into attack mode.

What is it? Still sore that the unwashed masses actually had the nerve to vote your comrades out of office?

[SassyLady]

RSR, have you met anyone IN PERSON who says anything like this? Ever?

Little Acorn.....I live in one of the most liberal/progressive counties in CA and I run into these people every day. I would say that about 90% of all our government employees are liberal progressives and trying to deal with them at any level of government here is absurd.

Did you know that one of the laws put into effect on January 1 bars a landlord from evicting a renter if they have been a victim of stalking or abuse? Not only do the people here sound like Gabby and the rest of the loons, they are the ones making the laws.

I'm not saying they might not be the same persona ... but I truly believe the poster(s) really do believe what they post. And, I'll bet most of them are a result of the CA education system which is primarily focused on progressive idealism.

[Palin Rider]

What a revolting post.. honest to goodness... some people are too stupid to be embarrassed.

The bodies aren't even cold yet and people like this one can't wait to get into attack mode.

What is it? Still sore that the unwashed masses actually had the nerve voted your comrades out of office?

Does this mean that you believe it's fine and dandy to put crosshairs on a map of political opponents' districts?

[SassyLady]

joe is just a baffoon. He gets on and posts when things happen and we know that he wasn't the one involved...this time.


It's interesting you say this .... every time I hear of a nut job like this shooter, and hear that he is a heavy pot smoker living at home with his parents .... I think of some of the liberal posters here and wonder if we'll ever see another post from them .... just saying ..... the only way we know it wasn't one of our posters is when you see a post from them again.

Thankfully, most of our loons have posted since the attack so we know it wasn't one of them.

[KarlMarx]

Does this mean that you believe it's fine and dandy to put crosshairs on a map of political opponents' districts?

Quit being such a sanctimonious blowhard, will you?

Even a cretin knows that "Being in someone's cross hairs" is a figure of speech, just like "drop dead gorgeous", "that guy just kills me" or "why don't you drop dead" are also figures of speech...

Figures of speech are not meant to be taken literally....

except by people operating on the intellectual level of a two year old...

and speaking of which... freedom of speech is still legal in this country regardless of who shot who... especially political speech....

So put that in your pipe and smoke it (another figure of speech)

[Palin Rider]

Quit being such a sanctimonious blowhard, will you?

Even a cretin knows that "Being in someone's cross hairs" is a figure of speech, just like "drop dead gorgeous", "that guy just kills me" or "why don't you drop dead" are also figures of speech...

Figures of speech are not meant to be taken literally....

except by people operating on the intellectual level of a two year old...

and speaking of which... freedom of speech is still legal in this country regardless of who shot who... especially political speech....

So put that in your pipe and smoke it (another figure of speech)

You know perfectly well that I'm not talking about legality, here.

I question whether it's APPROPRIATE political speech for any candidate to imply that his (or her) opponent should be shot. Granted, no sane person would act on such an implication, but in the last few years we've seen large numbers of Americans behaving in less-than-sane ways.

[SassyLady]

Does this mean that you believe it's fine and dandy to put crosshairs on a map of political opponents' districts?

I do .... because I assume that the majority of people in this country are sane .... and not sitting in their parents basements, smoking dope and frying their brains. A sane person would look at that ad and think nothing of it ... they certainly wouldn't think it means to go out and kill anyone.

But, the progressive liberals would have us censor ourselves because of the occasional crazies. Since when have we decided to let the mental patients run the psych ward?

[SassyLady]

You know perfectly well that I'm not talking about legality, here.

I question whether it's APPROPRIATE political speech for any candidate to imply that his (or her) opponent should be shot. Granted, no sane person would act on such an implication, but in the last few years we've seen large numbers of Americans behaving in less-than-sane ways.

I use the scope on my rifle to look at a lot of things in my environment, but it doesn't mean I intend to "kill" them.....just narrowing my focus for the moment. I'm sure this is what was intended by the ad with the crosshairs. And, if you can't figure that one out, then you must have a screw loose yourself.

[KarlMarx]

You know perfectly well that I'm not talking about legality, here.

I question whether it's APPROPRIATE political speech for any candidate to imply that his (or her) opponent should be shot. Granted, no sane person would act on such an implication, but in the last few years we've seen large numbers of Americans behaving in less-than-sane ways.

And what is the appropriateness of accusing Governor Palin of advocating the assassination of Congressmen?

[Palin Rider]

I use the scope on my rifle to look at a lot of things in my environment, but it doesn't mean I intend to "kill" them.....just narrowing my focus for the moment. I'm sure this is what was intended by the ad with the crosshairs. And, if you can't figure that one out, then you must have a screw loose yourself.

While it's attached? Sorry, but I was instructed never to point a firearm at anything I didn't intend to kill. :)

And yes, I can certainly figure out the intent of the ad, as did 99.999% of the rest of the country. Again, that's not the point. Addressing the masses isn't the same as addressing one person or a few people at the dinner table. There are things that both liberals and conservatives agree shouldn't be said in a mass-media context.

[Palin Rider]

And what is the appropriateness of accusing Governor Palin of advocating the assassination of Congressmen?

All I'm accusing her of is her usual stupidity.

[SassyLady]

While it's attached? Sorry, but I was instructed never to point a firearm at anything I didn't intend to kill. :)

And yes, I can certainly figure out the intent of the ad, as did 99.999% of the rest of the country. Again, that's not the point. Addressing the masses isn't the same as addressing one person or a few people at the dinner table. There are things that both liberals and conservatives agree shouldn't be said in a mass-media context.

Really??????? How loud were the liberals screaming when protesters were carrying around signs of hatred and vitriol about President Bush and his administration. Did you liberals think that was inappropriate? Seems that you only think it's inappropriate if it's directed at your people.

[SassyLady]

All I'm accusing her of is her usual stupidity.

Well, then, you shouldn't be offended by the people on this board when we point out your stupidity.....all's fair, right?

[SassyLady]

While it's attached? Sorry, but I was instructed never to point a firearm at anything I didn't intend to kill. :)


Oh, well, I grew up differently I guess .... we were taught to be prepared and to control ourselves....which means we can point and then make a decision whether to kill or not.

[BoogyMan]

You know perfectly well that I'm not talking about legality, here.

I question whether it's APPROPRIATE political speech for any candidate to imply that his (or her) opponent should be shot. Granted, no sane person would act on such an implication, but in the last few years we've seen large numbers of Americans behaving in less-than-sane ways.

Shooting was NEVER implied by ANYONE. NEVER! These kinds of terms are in common use in EVERYDAY language today and they are used by just about everyone.

Your assertion is dishonest.

[Noir]

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/demmap.jpg?w=400&h=357

Surprise surprise. Both the left and right use stupid and irresponsible propaganda. If only one of them would take a semi-decent moral high-ground. asif.

[BoogyMan]

Surprise surprise. Both the left and right use stupid and irresponsible propaganda. If only one of them would take a semi-decent moral high-ground. asif.

Why is this type of terminology "irresponsible" again?

[Missileman]

You know perfectly well that I'm not talking about legality, here.

I question whether it's APPROPRIATE political speech for any candidate to imply that his (or her) opponent should be shot. Granted, no sane person would act on such an implication, but in the last few years we've seen large numbers of Americans behaving in less-than-sane ways.

Where the fuck did anyone imply someone getting shot other than you and your fellow libtards? Of course you assholes will maintain that there's no such thing as "targeted" campaign ads or that campaign efforts will be "targeted" at the defeat of Candidate Soandso until you're blue in the face...anything to smear a political movement that scares the shit out of you.

[Noir]

Why is this type of terminology "irresponsible" again?

Needlessly inducing visions of war, irresponsible IMO,

[SassyLady]

Needlessly inducing visions of war, irresponsible IMO,

Asking people to focus on voting out people they don't agree with is "inducing visions of war". I guess liberals are easily incited.

[BoogyMan]

Needlessly inducing visions of war, irresponsible IMO,

But, Noir, you are assuming it was at fault or had ANY relevance to the horrific action we are discussing.

Those who wish to quell free speech have always started in just this kind of fashion in order to introduce limits on speech they personally find troubling.

Despotism always follows.

[SassyLady]

Blaming Sarah for this shooting is akin to blaming Al Gore for the Discovery Channel shootings.


January 09, 2011

Palin aide: 'Never intended gun sights'

An aide to Sarah Palin said images of cross-hairs were never meant to evoke violence, in the Palin camp's first extended comment on yesterday's attack.

" We have nothing whatsoever to do with this," Palin aide. Rebecca Mansour told the talk radio host Tammy Bruce in an interview. "We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights. It was simply cross-hairs like you'd see on maps," she said, suggesting that it is a "surveyor's symbol."

There is "nothing irresponsible about our graphic," she said.

She called attempts to link Palin to the violence "obscene" and "appalling," and said she was "disgusted" with the politicization.

"We can't ban the words 'targeted swing districts' from the English language," she said. "We did nothing wrong here."

"I don't understand how anybody could be held responsible for somebody who is completely mentally unstable like this. Where I come from the person that is actually shooting is the one that's culpable," Mansour said, speculating that the shooter is a paranoid schizophrenic. "It seems that the people that knew him said that he was left-wing and very liberal -- but that is not to say that I am blaming the left."

"I never went out and blamed Al Gore or any environmentalist for the crazy insane person who went to shoot up the Discovery Channel," she said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0111/Palin_aide_Never_intended_gun_sights.html

[Noir]

But, Noir, you are assuming it was at fault or had ANY relevance to the horrific action we are discussing.

Those who wish to quell free speech have always started in just this kind of fashion in order to introduce limits on speech they personally find troubling.

Despotism always follows.


Way to put words in my mouth, when and where was I trying to qwell free speech? Just because I make a judgement about something doesnt mean I think that judgement should be law. That would be the thinking of an idiot.

[BoogyMan]

Way to put words in my mouth, when and where was I trying to qwell free speech? Just because I make a judgement about something doesnt mean I think that judgement should be law. That would be the thinking of an idiot.

Here we go with the verbal games again. You know good and well you fully meant that words you find irresponsible should be banned.

Despotism germinates in thoughts just like the ones you have expressed. You have every right to express them, but I have every right to point out their folly.

[Noir]

Here we go with the verbal games again. You know good and well you fully meant that words you find irresponsible should be banned.

Despotism germinates in thoughts just like the ones you have expressed. You have every right to express them, but I have every right to point out their folly.

Jesus Christ. Here this goes. I am tired of being told what I think about things.

Just because I find something distasteful, needless, senseless, irresponsable etc does not mean I want it legislated against. If you really think I believe that then you truly do think I am some sort of ludicrous idiot.

Infact, while we're at it; I may as well continue with an example, take swearing, I don't like swearing much, and its very rare that I'd use it, and hearing a women swear makes my toes curl, there's just something wrong about it. However, I have no desire to ever see swearing be make illegal. Infact the very idea that some words are illegal to say is somewhat baffling to me. For what is a word if not an expression of self, and if the self can be otherwised expressed is it the word or the expression at fault? Obviously the expression, making the word meaningless.

Anyways, disregard all you have just read, assume that I want lots of stuff banned, and make up whatever else you like,

Oh I also dont like giraffes, idk they just look shifty, I guess the only reasonable solution is to demand all giraffes are slaughtered, yes? Then I won't be able to fall foul of their shifty eyes :3

[BoogyMan]

Methinks Noir to be a bit touchy. :lol:

[Noir]

Methinks Noir to be a bit touchy. :lol:

Methinks you've just realised you've been talking a load of tosh, good to see your not stupid enough to try and keep going, telling me what I think, contrary to what, er, I think ^__^

[BoogyMan]

Methinks you've just realised you've been talking a load of tosh, good to see your not stupid enough to try and keep going, telling me what I think, contrary to what, er, I think ^__^

LOL, I still believe you would like to see such language prohibited or you wouldn't have come out so strongly against it. Your response struck me funnier than the desire to point that out. :lol:

[Noir]

LOL, I still believe you would like to see such language prohibited or you wouldn't have come out so strongly against it. Your response struck me funnier than the desire to point that out. :lol:

It was suppose to be funny...sometimes I wonder about people =/

[Palin Rider]

Well, then, you shouldn't be offended by the people on this board when we point out your stupidity.....all's fair, right?

If the best they can manage is an ad hominem attack, sure. Doesn't stop me from pitying them - and you.

[Palin Rider]

There are things that both liberals and conservatives agree shouldn't be said in a mass-media context.Really???????
Really! That's why the FCC has put limits on what's allowed on the air. Limits, I might add, that are decades old.


Seems that you only think it's inappropriate if it's directed at your people.
And the last time you were ashamed of conservative rhetoric was when? :laugh:

[SassyLady]

If the best they can manage is an ad hominem attack, sure. Doesn't stop me from pitying them - and you.

So that's what you call what you do ... ad hominem attacks! From the posts you've made lately, I would say you found something you do well. Continue on.........

[SassyLady]

Really! That's why the FCC has put limits on what's allowed on the air. Limits, I might add, that are decades old.


And the last time you were ashamed of conservative rhetoric was when? :laugh:

Probably not as long ago as the last time you were ashamed....oh, wait, have you ever been ashamed of liberal rhetoric?

Uggggggg.....why am I even responding to you .... waste of time and energy.

[gabosaurus]

Wow, this has really gotten sad. Nine pages already? Do some of you guys really think that your opinions are that much more valid than mine? Do you really feel that the opinions of a 26-year-old mother as expressed on a message board are going to lead to the overthrow of the country?

I posted a "target ad" devised by Sarah Palin during the 2010 midterm elections. Because it was reflective of how Palin feels about opposing candidates. And her support of candidates like Sharron Angle, who famously stated "If we don't win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?"
Never did I state that Palin advocated the shooting of any candidate. It is merely the normal over reaching by the ultra right-wing nutcases that frequent this board on a daily basis. It's like what they said about Charles Manson -- he never killed anyone, just told his followers who he didn't like and where they lived.


After enough exposure to rhetoric like little joe's, gabby's, and psycho's, I am starting to believe that these three are actually employees of the DP board; or perhaps they are all one person. His/their function is to increase the volume of posts from the real members, by making outrageous and completely fatuous announcements on an issue that comes up. He/they might even be moderate or conservative posters who are calculating what statements will generate the most responses. Nearly every board I am on, seems to have at least one such, but never many. Their "style" and technique is boringly repetitive, and it is often hard to tell the difference between them, except for the name in the upper left corner of their posts.

Wow, what an incredibly lunatic statement. You must remember that I am not the one that monitors this board all day, waiting to jump on anyone who disagrees with me. I have a full-time job, a husband and a daughter. I don't live politics like many of you do. I make my points and move on.
That is why I don't spent my entire day perusing right-wing blogs and listening to hours of Fox News and talk shows in order to come up with items to post on DP. Do you people not work? Do you not have wives or girlfriends or family? Is your entire day centered around venting your anger on a political message board? It's no wonder so many right-wing extremists are single. No one can live with you. Get a grip, dudes!


Really??????? How loud were the liberals screaming when protesters were carrying around signs of hatred and vitriol about President Bush and his administration. Did you liberals think that was inappropriate? Seems that you only think it's inappropriate if it's directed at your people.

Outstanding point! I was one of those posters. As I remember, conservatives thought we were evil anti-American deviates who didn't deserve to live. The talking heads wanted us rounded up and confined to internment camps. One of them wanted us shipped overseas. A DP poster was so upset that our protest clogged up the roads that he wanted to run into our group with his vehicle.
But those sentiments suddenly did a 180 when the whole health care issue became a flash point for conservative protests. Suddenly, gathering in large numbers to protest because a sacred American right. Funny thing is, I don't recall anyone carrying weapons during our meetings. In fact, our calls to get rid of Bush were met with threats of assassination and violence. Now, the same behavior is accepted.

Many of you walk a very narrow road. When we wanted to getrid of Bush, you screamed how traitorous it was to oppose the President. You want to get rid of Obama, and suddenly it is a Crusade For America.
Bush lied to the American people, allowed our country to be attacked, started an unjust war that has killed thousands of Americans and campaigned for re-election on the bones of the victims of 9-11. That was totally patriotic. Obama pushed through a health care bill that has killed no one and conservatives believe he has destroyed the fabric of society.

But by all means, continue to read and believe only one side of the story. Your allegiance makes the Talking Heads a ton of money. The right-wing bloggers and publishers have done famously through your blind support. Fox News laughs at your gullibility while collecting high commercial prices for their newscasts.
If this is all there is to your life, I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for any of you with partners or, more important, kids. Because they have to suffer through your hate-filled diatribes on a daily basis.
I would rather avoid politics outside of this board. Because when I watch the Animal Channel with my kids, the animals are in the wild and not sitting in a news room.

[red states rule]

Gabby in your first post you cited Sheriff Dupnik saying how "vitrioloc rhetoric" was to blame for the shooting.

Well he has admitted his department has not found any evicience to support his statement

So Gabby he has had to back down when facts to back up his claim are demanded

Will you now do the same?





Since making his claim Saturday that the Tucson shootings were caused by "vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business," Pima County Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has become a media darling being regularly quoted by press outlets from coast to coast.

On Sunday, during strong questioning from Fox News's Megyn Kelly, Dupnik admitted that his department has not uncovered one shred of evidence to support his now well-publicized assertion (video follows with partial transcript and commentary, relevant section at 1:55):

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/09/arizona-sheriff-admits-theres-no-evidence-vitriolic-rhetoric-incited-#ixzz1AcSNoraM

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[actsnoblemartin]

thinks about mid evil torture as a way to punish this son of a bitch

[Sitarro]

So Gabby, if she would have used the push pin graphic (like Google Maps uses) instead of the so called "gun sight" graphic, would you be afraid that a nut case would stab those same people to death with pins or spikes?
As for the "gun sight" graphic, Adobe Photoshop uses the same graphic for their brushes, see below.


http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/Photoshopbrushpreference.jpg

[bullypulpit]

And what is the appropriateness of accusing Governor Palin of advocating the assassination of Congressmen?

So, what else would you call putting crosshairs on a map with the names of congressional reps? Granted she was talking about removing them from office via the ballot box, not by gunshot. But as we have seen before, most recently in the case of Dr. Tiller, words and images can be the trigger pushing the mentally unbalanced into horrendous actions.

<center><IMG src=http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/palin-crosshairs.jpg></center>

[actsnoblemartin]

I gotta agree with bullypulpit, and I am no lefty

Images and words having meaning, and we should all be using more decorum, when picking our words, phrases and images

[bullypulpit]

Gabby in your first post you cited Sheriff Dupnik saying how "vitrioloc rhetoric" was to blame for the shooting.

Well he has admitted his department has not found any evicience to support his statement

So Gabby he has had to back down when facts to back up his claim are demanded

Will you now do the same?

Well, Red, Sheriff Dupnik wasn't addressing the motives of the gunman. He was addressing the general tenor of the rhetoric coming from the collective blowhole of the right wing noise machine. But the real problem for the right here is in losing control of the national narrative. Instead of continued press coverage of Republicans and Teapublicans riding triumphantly into Washington wearing white hats, it has shifted to, as Marty Kaplan put it, "...the new story connected the dots between the inflammatory rhetoric of McCain/Palin events in 2008, the ugly confrontations at congressional town halls in the summer of 2009, the "lock and load" cackling of the 2010 campaign - and the cultural climate of the Tucson murders. Within the space of a few hours, the story had been transformed from a revenge narrative (Obama brought low) to a soul-searching meta-narrative: How has our society come to this season in hell, and what must be done to heal us?".

The right wing rhetoric and emphasis on tearing down government does not fall on deaf ears. Some, as may be the case here, act on it.

[Kathianne]

Well, Red, Sheriff Dupnik wasn't addressing the motives of the gunman. He was addressing the general tenor of the rhetoric coming from the collective blowhole of the right wing noise machine. But the real problem for the right here is in losing control of the national narrative. Instead of continued press coverage of Republicans and Teapublicans riding triumphantly into Washington wearing white hats, it has shifted to, as Marty Kaplan put it, "...the new story connected the dots between the inflammatory rhetoric of McCain/Palin events in 2008, the ugly confrontations at congressional town halls in the summer of 2009, the "lock and load" cackling of the 2010 campaign - and the cultural climate of the Tucson murders. Within the space of a few hours, the story had been transformed from a revenge narrative (Obama brought low) to a soul-searching meta-narrative: How has our society come to this season in hell, and what must be done to heal us?".

The right wing rhetoric and emphasis on tearing down government does not fall on deaf ears. Some, as may be the case here, act on it.

Well except for the fact that this guy doesn't appear to be of the right wing and has a history of mental problems.

[Missileman]

Well, Red, Sheriff Dupnik wasn't addressing the motives of the gunman. He was addressing the general tenor of the rhetoric coming from the collective blowhole of the right wing noise machine. But the real problem for the right here is in losing control of the national narrative. Instead of continued press coverage of Republicans and Teapublicans riding triumphantly into Washington wearing white hats, it has shifted to, as Marty Kaplan put it, "...the new story connected the dots between the inflammatory rhetoric of McCain/Palin events in 2008, the ugly confrontations at congressional town halls in the summer of 2009, the "lock and load" cackling of the 2010 campaign - and the cultural climate of the Tucson murders. Within the space of a few hours, the story had been transformed from a revenge narrative (Obama brought low) to a soul-searching meta-narrative: How has our society come to this season in hell, and what must be done to heal us?".

The right wing rhetoric and emphasis on tearing down government does not fall on deaf ears. Some, as may be the case here, act on it.

You liberals are SO full of shit! The tea party movement hasn't a damned thing to do with tearing down the government, only restoring it to its proper role within its Constitutional boundaries.

[jimnyc]

So tell me BoogerMan, where does the violent rhetoric in the anti-Health Care debate come from? Which side carries the guns and makes the violent threats?
During the midterm elections, Giffords was opposed by a Tea Party supported candidate, Jesse Kelly. During the campaign, Sarah Palin made a statement that said that politicians like Giffords needed to be removed "by whatever methods available." (By the way, isn't it strange to references to Giffords and the race vs. Kelly have disappeared from Palin's websites?)
At one point during the campaign, Kelly sponsored a campaign event called "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." In the event, you made a contribution and got to shoot a weapon with the candidate.

Obviously, the suspect in the case is mentally deranged. So why did he have a weapon? Is it because every American, no matter how sick they are, has the right to own a gun?

Going to backup this statement?

[fj1200]

Well, Red, Sheriff Dupnik wasn't addressing the motives of the gunman. He was addressing the general tenor of the rhetoric coming from the collective blowhole of the right wing noise machine.

A. He is more qualified than any one else to comment on "general tenor"?
B. He was commenting on "right wing noise"? Link?
C. Great, a lawman who jumps to conclusions.

[Missileman]

Well except for the fact that this guy doesn't appear to be of the right wing and has a history of mental problems.

Exactly! I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere yet, but heard on the radio this morning that he's a registered Democrat.

[revelarts]

Judge Roll was one of most conservative judges.
the Senator is Pro gun rights as well if i heard the radio correctly.

...and now this..


Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard

BY Matthew Lysiak In Tucson and Lukas I. Alpert
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Originally Published:Monday, January 10th 2011, 4:00 AM
Updated: Monday, January 10th 2011, 11:40 AM
Miniature altar with human skull replica in backyard tent at Jared Lee Loughner's home.
DAILY NEWS EXCLUSIVE
Miniature altar with human skull replica in backyard tent at Jared Lee Loughner's home.
Tent containing shrine in Jared Lee Loughner's Tucson backyard.

What do you think of current gun laws in the United States?
Current laws are too strict. Any infringement upon gun owners' rights is an infringement upon the 2nd amendment.
Current laws are not strict enough. We need to regulate access to deadly weapons.
Not sure.

A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.

Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.

A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.

Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.

Investigators have focused on Loughner's online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).
....
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html#ixzz1Ag38n 0oN

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/10/alg_loughner_shrine-exclusive.jpg

time to band satanism!!
our culture promotes skulls and the occult
TIME TO TONE DOWN ALL THE OCCULT TALK... MUSIC... CLOTHING...TV SHOWSS AND MOVIESSSS!!!!

[Palin Rider]

Probably not as long ago as the last time you were ashamed....oh, wait, have you ever been ashamed of liberal rhetoric?

Uggggggg.....why am I even responding to you ...

Because you think that being from the "enemy camp" makes me forbidden, and this excites you. :boobies::smoke:

[Kathianne]

Probably not as long ago as the last time you were ashamed....oh, wait, have you ever been ashamed of liberal rhetoric?

Uggggggg.....why am I even responding to you .... waste of time and energy.

Indeed it is a waste of time and energy. He's a gnat. The only reason to respond is to let any newbies know that's all he is, to counter his claims of being capable of debate.

Logroller, even BP and Gabby post things worthy of response. Yes, PB too, but PR, not yet.

[Palin Rider]

Indeed it is a waste of time and energy. He's a gnat. The only reason to respond is to let any newbies know that's all he is, to counter his claims of being capable of debate.

Logroller, even BP and Gabby post things worthy of response. Yes, PB too, but PR, not yet.

Never mind that you spent quite a bit of time responding to me (and we were very civil to each other!) until you discovered I was too liberal for your standards.

But by all means, go ahead and keep lying to the newbies to justify yourself. I'm sure you realize that only the FoxNewzRulez types will listen to you.

[Kathianne]

Never mind that you spent quite a bit of time responding to me (and we were very civil to each other!) until you discovered I was too liberal for your standards.

But by all means, go ahead and keep lying to the newbies to justify yourself. I'm sure you realize that only the FoxNewzRulez types will listen to you.

BS, you proved you earned disdain on USMB where you no longer post. How many others?

Truly you seem capable, you just choose to troll. So you earn the disdain, has nothing to do with being a self-proclaimed 'liberal.' PB would knock you out when he's able.

[Palin Rider]

BS, you proved you earned disdain on USMB where you no longer post. How many others?
I didn't get banned for misconduct; just tried to change my username and it got completely SNAFUed. Sorry to disappoint.


So you earn the disdain, has nothing to do with being a self-proclaimed 'liberal.'It's not disdain, it's fear. You practically wet your pants that you can't control others with rep anymore.


PB would knock you out when he's able.
I'm sure he'd love to know how much you like to speak for him...

[Gaffer]

Judge Roll was one of most conservative judges.
the Senator is Pro gun rights as well if i heard the radio correctly.

...and now this..


....
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html#ixzz1Ag38n 0oN

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/10/alg_loughner_shrine-exclusive.jpg

time to band satanism!!
our culture promotes skulls and the occult
TIME TO TONE DOWN ALL THE OCCULT TALK... MUSIC... CLOTHING...TV SHOWSS AND MOVIESSSS!!!!

I thought they said he was an atheist?

You know, that looks like something that could have been set up and a picture taken in two minutes, hardly a shrine. And who says its\'s in his back yard? It could be anywhere.

[red states rule]

Indeed it is a waste of time and energy. He's a gnat. The only reason to respond is to let any newbies know that's all he is, to counter his claims of being capable of debate.

Logroller, even BP and Gabby post things worthy of response. Yes, PB too, but PR, not yet.

Kathianne you have crossed the line. That is a below the belt insult about gnats

[red states rule]

at least one reporter is doing his job





Good Morning America's Jake Tapper on Monday provided some balance to the numerous journalists who are attempting to blame the spree shooting in Arizona on Sarah Palin. The ABC journalist said of Jared Loughner, "The shooter's motives remain unclear. One acquaintance from 2007 described him as liberal."

Tapper discussed the "cross hairs" graphic created by Sarah Palin's Political Action Committee in 2010 (which targeted Democrats for political defeat). Unlike other journalists, however, he pointed out that the investigation into Loughner's interest into Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords "ties back to 2007, three years before Palin's map."

As the MRC's Brent Baker reported on Sunday, many network reporters attempted to make a connection between the shooting and Palin, the Tea Partiers and conservatives in general. ABC's graphic on Monday announced, "Politics of Vitriol: Is Rhetoric Getting Too Rough?" Additionally, Tapper played a clip of talk show host Joyce Kaufman asserting, "And if ballots don't work, bullets will."

However, he balanced that out by reading from conservative Glenn Reynolds, writing in Monday's Wall Street Journal. Tapper repeated, "He says, 'Those who purport to care about the health of our political community demonstrate precious little actual concern for America's political well being when they seize on any pretext, however flimsy, to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.'"

Additionally, when referring to Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik and his incendiary comments that this act of violence could be linked to those that would "inflame" with their political speech, Tapper made sure to identify him as an "elected Democrat."

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2011/01/10/abcs-jake-tapper-pokes-holes-attempts-blame-conservatives-arizona-sh#ixzz1Ai6PeDEM

[revelarts]

I thought they said he was an atheist?

You know, that looks like something that could have been set up and a picture taken in two minutes, hardly a shrine. And who says its\'s in his back yard? It could be anywhere.

Are you saying the cops and/or the news paper set this up and are lying about it Gaf? :eek:

Hey, I dunno buddy, that's just what that New York Post report says.

But here's more info on the guy and his victem,

...the shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, is, by any sensible interpretation, mentally deranged. Yes, he mentioned the Constitution among his various ramblings, but he also listed the Communist Manifesto as being among his favorite books. In addition, he released a YouTube video containing unintelligible ramblings of repeated nonsense phrases, including references to the government taking away "grammar," of having a colorful bird on his shoulder, brainwashing and what he called "conscience dreaming."

The utterly false and irresponsible accusation floating around certain circles on the 'net that Loughner was some sort of extreme right winger who targeted a Democrat is extremely irresponsible and hateful. Giffords was pro Second Amendment and publicly supported the right of the People to keep and bear arms. She's actually a gun owner who urged the U.S. Supreme Court to protect Second Amendment rights. She was also a huge supporter of a stronger border with Mexico, which has traditionally been one of the key positions of Arizona conservatives. Giffords can't be pigeonholed into a label, you see. Her views are far more complex than "Democrat" vs "Republican." She is certainly no "left-wing liberal," and the attack on her doesn't appear to be politically motivated at all (see below)....

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030953_Gabrielle_Giffords_shooting.html#ixzz1Aj6eW Y8D
...

[revelarts]

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Loughners-gun.jpg




...the image above is from Loughner’s Facebook page, deleted within minutes of the attack. It shows the Glock 19 with a standard mag (15 rounds of 9mm ammunition). The Washington Post and others now report that Loughner used a Glock 19. ABC confirms that the nine-millimeter caliber weapon was purchased legally from Sportsman’s Warehouse in Tucson Arizona on November 30th . . .
...The Director of the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff held a press conference this afternoon in which they revealed that Loughner fired 31 bullets. He did so from a thirty-round magazine (the “extra” bullet was stored in the chamber of the gun). This explains both the duration of the shooting (around 15 seconds) and the carnage caused. Here’s a video of a shooter firing a Glock 19 with a thirty-round magazine....


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http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/giffords-shooter-jared-loughner-used-a-glock-with-extended-clip/




I've also read that he had a an xtra 30 round clip and another 15 round clip on him.

this is way beyond politics, he just as easily could have "targeted" and shot in a school or MacDonalds , baseball game, tea party rally, the mall, rally to restore sanity rally , a church or fill in the blank...

[Gaffer]

Are you saying the cops and/or the news paper set this up and are lying about it Gaf? :eek:

Hey, I dunno buddy, that's just what that New York Post report says.

But here's more info on the guy and his victem,

I'm just saying anyone could have set up and photographed this so called shrine. We don't even know if the picture was taken in his yard or another state. I think this is just a paper throwing more garbage against the wall. :thumb:

[Psychoblues]

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Loughners-gun.jpg






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http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/giffords-shooter-jared-loughner-used-a-glock-with-extended-clip/




I've also read that he had a an xtra 30 round clip and another 15 round clip on him.

this is way beyond politics, he just as easily could have "targeted" and shot in a school or MacDonalds , baseball game, tea party rally, the mall, rally to restore sanity rally , a church or fill in the blank...

Thanks for saying that, revelarts. I was one of the early participants in this thread and like you did not make a political connection and still don't. It is very sad that so many do and so revealing that much of it is defensive. I say sickening.

Can we all simply pray to whatever we might call God for the full recovery of those injured and offer all sincere condolences to the families of those deceased as a result of this horrible event? There will be plenty of time for politics later and I trust after a competent investigation by professionals we will at least be aware of much more truth and facts than anyone can imagine right now.

Thanks again, revelarts, and thanks to anyone else who has not fallen victim to the entire media that is scrambling to fill air time , fear monger, cast undue aspersions and politicize this tragedy.

Psychoblues

[actsnoblemartin]

The guy was an obvious nut, and its not fair to say the devil made me do it or rush made me do it, or the left made me do it.

do we all need to tone it down, sure

[Psychoblues]

The guy was an obvious nut, and its not fair to say the devil made me do it or rush made me do it, or the left made me do it.

do we all need to tone it down, sure

Thanks, marteen. This is not a left or right issue. It is an issue of insanity and how our society is adversely affected by it.

Psychoblues

[actsnoblemartin]

I agree, and everytime we call each other stupid, or asshole, we are contributing to it.

Best ignore the fucker :laugh:

:lol:

"you cant reason with the unreasonable"

[bullypulpit]

You liberals are SO full of shit! The tea party movement hasn't a damned thing to do with tearing down the government, only restoring it to its proper role within its Constitutional boundaries.

You do know then that the Constitution was, and is, about about a strong federal government?

[Palin Rider]

You do know then that the Constitution was, and is, about about a strong federal government?

He doesn't care what the Constitution was or is about. He just wants to use it as a talking point to spread more hate.

[bullypulpit]

Well except for the fact that this guy doesn't appear to be of the right wing and has a history of mental problems.

If one in mentally unstable, it doesn't really matter then, does it. But then again, his screeds tend more towards the right than not.

[Psychoblues]

You do know then that the Constitution was, and is, about about a strong federal government?

Exactly. But the teabaggers will NEVER admit that. It's just too oblique for them to understand.

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

If one in mentally unstable, it doesn't really matter then, does it. But then again, his screeds tend more towards the right than not.

A few facts that we already can safely discern and are being widely reported from all points left, right and center:

1. He hates and distrusts government
2. He rejects the US monetary system because it is no longer based on gold and silver.
3. He demonstrates a resentment for those in the 5th congressional district of Arizona that are not proficient in English.
4. He believes that the government is using grammar to mind control us.
5. He is big into conscience dreaming.

Now, who does all that sound like? About like every rightwinger and tea bagger I ever met.

I apologize for entering into the political mess in this particular thread but apparently the game is on and it ain't gonna change no matter how much anyone begs for the conversation to return to proper recognition of grief and personal condolences.

Psychoblues

[bullypulpit]

A. He is more qualified than any one else to comment on "general tenor"?

Why not? As a law enforcement officer for some 50 years and sheriff of Pima County since the 80's, he can't be discounted on the matter.


B. He was commenting on "right wing noise"? Link?


"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous..."

It is the right wing media and their dupes who persist in using the rhetoric of "Second Amendment Solutions". It was right wing politicians who sold tickets to shoot at photographs of Representative Giffords with automatic weapons during last summers congressional races in Arizona.


C. Great, a lawman who jumps to conclusions.

No. Again, he was making a general statement about the tenor and tone of political discourse in this country and his state.

[gabosaurus]

Best evaluation of the shooter I have seen so far: He is not a left-wing nutcase or a right-wing nutcase. He is just a nutcase.

[jimnyc]

Best evaluation of the shooter I have seen so far: He is not a left-wing nutcase or a right-wing nutcase. He is just a nutcase.

Why can't you provide a source for what you claim Palin said, and what you even put in quotations? You wouldn't just outright lie, would you gab? It's just a matter of searching and posting it, at least that's what you told me - but I can't find it - and neither can you - LIAR. That's why you're a fucking waste to discuss anything with, you'll just make shit up to bolster your "argument".

[Psychoblues]

Best evaluation of the shooter I have seen so far: He is not a left-wing nutcase or a right-wing nutcase. He is just a nutcase.

That is the real truth, gabby, and whether you, me and whomever else believes that, the idiots are going to continue their ridiculous arguments that he belongs to anybody but them.

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

Why can't you provide a source for what you claim Palin said, and what you even put in quotations? You wouldn't just outright lie, would you gab? It's just a matter of searching and posting it, at least that's what you told me - but I can't find it - and neither can you - LIAR. That's why you're a fucking waste to discuss anything with, you'll just make shit up to bolster your "argument".

90% if not more of this board makes up shit to reinforce their "argument".

Sara Palin is nothing if not an inciter of violence and should be arrested and punished for being such.

Sheesh

Psychoblues

[BoogyMan]

90% if not more of this board makes up shit to reinforce their "argument".

Sara Palin is nothing if not an inciter of violence and should be arrested and punished for being such.

Sheesh

Psychoblues

Wow, Stalin would be proud of you.

[NightTrain]

A few facts that we already can safely discern and are being widely reported from all points left, right and center:

1. He hates and distrusts government
2. He rejects the US monetary system because it is no longer based on gold and silver.
3. He demonstrates a resentment for those in the 5th congressional district of Arizona that are not proficient in English.
4. He believes that the government is using grammar to mind control us.
5. He is big into conscience dreaming.

Now, who does all that sound like? About like every rightwinger and tea bagger I ever met.

I apologize for entering into the political mess in this particular thread but apparently the game is on and it ain't gonna change no matter how much anyone begs for the conversation to return to proper recognition of grief and personal condolences.

Psychoblues


Got a few links to back that up?

[Psychoblues]

Got a few links to back that up?

No links, nt, but a suggestion. Watch the fucking news. Pick your own channel because it's all the same in this regard.

Psychoblues

[namvet]

there is no politics. he's been stalking this gal for a looong time

[Psychoblues]

Wow, Stalin would be proud of you. You're more the Stalin type, boogerMan. ?

Psychoblues

[NightTrain]

No links, nt, but a suggestion. Watch the fucking news. Pick your own channel because it's all the same in this regard.

Psychoblues

Here's a fun fact : If you told me the sky was blue, you can bet your last can of Natural Ice I'd walk outside to check it out for myself.

Pssst: MSNBC and Common Dreams aren't exactly fair and balanced.

[Psychoblues]

Here's a fun fact : If you told me the sky was blue, you can bet your last can of Natural Ice I'd walk outside to check it out for myself.

Pssst: MSNBC and Common Dreams aren't exactly fair and balanced.

I admit that I have watched MSNBC and found them to be generally fair and balanced. Not anything like the hateful vileness and fearmongering at FoxNews. I've never watched Common Dreams. Where would I find that, turdblossum?

Psychoblues

[BoogyMan]

You're more the Stalin type, boogerMan. ?

Psychoblues

You are so witty! :)

History doesn't agree with your version of Stalinist activity, but enjoy the delusion. :lol:

[NightTrain]

I admit that I have watched MSNBC and found them to be generally fair and balanced.


I think everyone knew you thought so.

Are you, Keith and Chris still getting a thrill up your leg from trying to paint this nutjob as a conservative? Or is the magic gone?

[red states rule]

That is the real truth, gabby, and whether you, me and whomever else believes that, the idiots are going to continue their ridiculous arguments that he belongs to anybody but them.

Psychoblues

and this from the guy who posted how he did not see ANYONE trying to use the shooting for political gain

[NightTrain]

and this from the guy who posted how he did not see ANYONE trying to use the shooting for political gain

Watching him try to develop and stick with a coherent thought is both scary and fascinating.

[Psychoblues]

I think everyone knew you thought so.

Are you, Keith and Chris still getting a thrill up your leg from trying to paint this nutjob as a conservative? Or is the magic gone?


Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! You're a freak, ya short little stinky turd.

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

I admit that I have watched MSNBC and found them to be generally fair and balanced. Not anything like the hateful vileness and fearmongering at FoxNews. I've never watched Common Dreams. Where would I find that, turdblossum?

Psychoblues

Try watching while awake PB

Here is some of what you "missed"


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[Gaffer]

Watching him try to develop and stick with a coherent thought is both scary and fascinating.

Kinda like watching a train wreck.

[red states rule]

I admit that I have watched MSNBC and found them to be generally fair and balanced. Not anything like the hateful vileness and fearmongering at FoxNews. I've never watched Common Dreams. Where would I find that, turdblossum?

Psychoblues

In PB world he donated to the Black Panthers thinking they were out to protect wildlife

[Gaffer]

Try watching while awake PB

Here is some of what you "missed"


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when it comes to hatefulness I think only howard dean can match this guy.

[NightTrain]

Try watching while awake PB

Here is some of what you "missed"


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Wow! That certainly seems chock full of "hate and vileness" that our good pal PsychoBabble missed on MSNBC.

[red states rule]

Wow! That certainly seems chock full of "hate and vileness" that our good pal PsychoBabble missed on MSNBC.

To PB that is not hate

That is liberal tolerance

[Missileman]

You do know then that the Constitution was, and is, about about a strong federal government?

The document provides for a LIMITED federal government.

[Missileman]

He doesn't care what the Constitution was or is about. He just wants to use it as a talking point to spread more hate.

That's exactly right dipshit...if expecting the government to follow the COTUS = hate. The main problem is you suck at math as badly as you suck at debate.

[Missileman]

Why not? As a law enforcement officer for some 50 years and sheriff of Pima County since the 80's, he can't be discounted on the matter.





It is the right wing media and their dupes who persist in using the rhetoric of "Second Amendment Solutions". It was right wing politicians who sold tickets to shoot at photographs of Representative Giffords with automatic weapons during last summers congressional races in Arizona.



No. Again, he was making a general statement about the tenor and tone of political discourse in this country and his state.

Hey Bully...who was it calling for "hand to hand combat" between the legislative and executive branches?

[Missileman]

90% if not more of this board makes up shit to reinforce their "argument".

Sara Palin is nothing if not an inciter of violence and should be arrested and punished for being such.

Sheesh

Psychoblues

Then you should be able to provide a specific instance of violence that she incited. I eagerly await your bullshit excuse as to why you don't.

[red states rule]

More examples of tolerance from MSNBC

Now if Sean, Rush, or Beck had said this PB would be screaming about the hate


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[bullypulpit]

Try watching while awake PB

Here is some of what you "missed"


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Well gosh Red, only those with a guilty conscience call the truth "hateful".

[Palin Rider]

That's exactly right dipshit...if expecting the government to follow the COTUS = hate. The main problem is you suck at math as badly as you suck at debate.

Sure, Missie, we've all heard your kind yelling for the last 2 years that the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of tyrants, patriots, and 9-year-old girls.

(Burger King Kid gives out plenty of rep for crap like that, too!)

[Missileman]

Sure, Missie, we've all heard your kind yelling for the last 2 years that the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of tyrants, patriots, and 9-year-old girls.

(Burger King Kid gives out plenty of rep for crap like that, too!)

LOL...it really chafes your ass that you can't associate the shooter with the tea party in even the smallest degree. Sucks to be you!

[avatar4321]

Howzabout you come up with a link of your own and from something said about this specific incident and before you made your post. You jerkwads make me sick. You're a bunch of hate-filled fearmongers with clinical projection and paranoia problems. You make your shitty remark about making it political thereby making it political and now you bitch because you think it's political?

Gabby has come in several times to express her feelings that she knows nothing about the politics of the shooter but you assholes continue to put words in her mouth. Lord, I know what that's like on this board!!! But Gabby does know something about scope site crosshairs on the name of Gabrielle Giffords on that map. BTW, did you know that Ms. Sara has taken that map down from her website? She knows it was over the line.

Psychoblues

Denial is a terrible thing. The only time I've ever seen the left get this low is the Wellstone Memorial.

I understand you dont like it that I've pointed out how after barely a few hours the left started using this tragedy to attack their political opponents who had nothing to do with it. It's very disgusting politics. But the difference is I don't have a problem saying it's wrong, and you are defending it for some odd reason.

Don't shoot the messenger because you dont like the message. Just remember you cant fix the problems if you lie to yourself about them.

[avatar4321]

America has become a madhouse. Instead of giving the misfits, malcontents and miscreants counseling, we give the guns.

Well if you dont want your gun, you are free to sell it or give it to someone youd like to have it.

Quite frankly, Im not sure counseling will help in your case.

[avatar4321]

No one can give Rep. Giffords more help than she's getting at the hospital. The only thing the rest of us can do is work to stop these massacres.

Massacres? Has another Congressman been shot?

[avatar4321]

Nonsense.

The rather long article argued for primary challenges to officials whose political views were inconsistent with the author's. It required reading and reasoning. It wasn't an emotionally-charged message intended to be delivered in 10 seconds without much thought as was the ad.

Ill believe that when you start relying on something other than emotion to justify your policies.

[avatar4321]

You made your own point the second you said "McCarthy was right." Again, good job.

But he was right. Unless you are trying to honestly claim that there werent Communists in the government.

[avatar4321]

Does this mean that you believe it's fine and dandy to put crosshairs on a map of political opponents' districts?

Why exactly would it be wrong to target political opponents to defeat in an election?

I know you might not like this, but speaking out against Democrat policies and actively trying to defeat them isn't evil or wrong.

[avatar4321]

Blaming Sarah for this shooting is akin to blaming Al Gore for the Discovery Channel shootings.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0111/Palin_aide_Never_intended_gun_sights.html

Very true. And yet there was actually a link between the shooter there and Al Gore. Yet, it would be absolutely insane to accuse Al Gore of being responsible for it.

They don't even have that much in this case. If anything, the guy was inspired by Hitler and Marx.

[avatar4321]

Wow, this has really gotten sad. Nine pages already? Do some of you guys really think that your opinions are that much more valid than mine? Do you really feel that the opinions of a 26-year-old mother as expressed on a message board are going to lead to the overthrow of the country?


Yes 9+ pages. Amazing what happens when someone does a horrendous act and than others begin to immediately use it to attack political opponents who had nothing to do with the act in question. The bodies arent even cold and you guys are trying to attack Palin. I mean what the heck?!

What's even more amazing is you dont have a single problem with that. You don't see how that makes you a despicable person. People are dead. Do you care about that? No. You are more upset that people arent buying this disgraceful spin then you are that people are dead. It's sickening.

Yes. I think my opinions are more valid than yours. Specifically because I dont have to use tragedies to prove my point. I dont have to turn to emotional and inciteful rhetoric or use the blood of innocents to persuade people of my opinions.

And yes. I think that our Republic will be destroyed when the hearts of 26 old mothers would rather play politics using the dead rather than mourn for the lost of the victims, especially when they include a 9 year old girl. If such depravity exists in the hearts of the mothers of this generation, what chance do our children have?

[avatar4321]

thinks about mid evil torture as a way to punish this son of a bitch

And how is more violence going to bring the victims back?

[avatar4321]

So, what else would you call putting crosshairs on a map with the names of congressional reps? Granted she was talking about removing them from office via the ballot box, not by gunshot. But as we have seen before, most recently in the case of Dr. Tiller, words and images can be the trigger pushing the mentally unbalanced into horrendous actions.


Aw Come on! Is there a single solidary lefist that has the integrity to reject this reprehensible nonsense?

[avatar4321]

90% if not more of this board makes up shit to reinforce their "argument".

Sara Palin is nothing if not an inciter of violence and should be arrested and punished for being such.

Sheesh

Psychoblues

I'd disagree. but it looks like in your case it's completely accurate.

[avatar4321]

Try watching while awake PB

Here is some of what you "missed"


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That's not nearly as hateful as this:

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[avatar4321]

LOL...it really chafes your ass that you can't associate the shooter with the tea party in even the smallest degree. Sucks to be you!

They're more upset about not being able to use the event than over the murders themselves.

[red states rule]

I must admit Dems are trying to use the shooting to their full political advantage, Now one of them has decided to make money off of it




Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., sent out a fundraising email to supporters Tuesday in which he offered his personal analysis of last weekend’s shooting in Arizona, tying the tragedy to “right-wing reactionaries,” despite offering no evidence that the shooter, Jared Loughner, even followed politics or conservative causes.

The Vermont senator, a self-proclaimed socialist who caucuses with the Democratic Party, cited past acts of vandalism at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords‘ district office after last year’s health care overhaul vote, as well as Sarah Palin’s now-infamous “crosshairs” map.

“In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process?” asks Sanders. “Have right-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions?”

Sanders called Saturday’s Tucson shooting a “horrendous act of violence,“ but suggested that ”nobody can honestly express surprise that such a tragedy finally occurred.”

When pressed about why the senator would use the Arizona tragedy to solicit donations from his political supporters, Sanders’ spokesperson defended the message, claiming that Sanders regularly sends out such letters to his supporters. “It would have been absurd not to comment on what happened,” the spokesperson told ABC News.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/socialist-u-s-senator-uses-az-shooting-to-raise-funds-for-re-election/

[revelarts]

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not sure what Shepard is so shocked about.
I'm sorry the person missed the Bad Guy.

[BoogyMan]

Sure, Missie, we've all heard your kind yelling for the last 2 years that the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of tyrants, patriots, and 9-year-old girls.

(Burger King Kid gives out plenty of rep for crap like that, too!)

Now that your dishonest, shameful, and pitifully childish attempt to tie the shooting in AZ to the Tea Party has failed in a grand way, what will you do? Will you admit you are lying? Will you admit that you simply don't care about the truth and wish to make political gains on the blood of the victims in AZ?

[Palin Rider]

Now that your dishonest, shameful, and pitifully childish attempt to tie the shooting in AZ to the Tea Party has failed in a grand way, what will you do? Will you admit you are lying? Will you admit that you simply don't care about the truth and wish to make political gains on the blood of the victims in AZ?

I will gladly admit that all the pols getting the threats right now are Democrats. The American people are already drawing their own conclusions about that one. :thumb:

[red states rule]

Now that your dishonest, shameful, and pitifully childish attempt to tie the shooting in AZ to the Tea Party has failed in a grand way, what will you do? Will you admit you are lying? Will you admit that you simply don't care about the truth and wish to make political gains on the blood of the victims in AZ?

The Dems and liberal media have lost his battle and have ened up looking like fools

It has been determined from friends that Loughner did NOT listen to talk radio or watch the news





Loughner Friend: 'He Did Not Watch TV' or 'Listen to Political Radio'
By Lachlan Markay | January 12, 2011 | 17:43

It's become clear since Saturday that some in the media are determined to blame outspoken conservatives for the Tucson massacre. So there's really no reason to believe that yet another fact contradicting that attack will put it to rest.

But in the spirit of journalism - that thing the left's media attack dogs profess their reverence for - it should be noted: a friend of the killer, Jared Lee Loughner, told "Good Morning America" that Loughner "did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

In other words, if this friend is to be believed, no cable news or talk radio personality drove Loughner to commit this heinous act.

That, of course, has been a frequent refrain this week. MSNBC's Contessa Brewer suggested blame for the shooting might lie with "vitriolic right-wing talkers." In searching for "angry rhetoric" that might've driven Loughner to kill, Andrea Mitchell went back five years to single out something Glenn Beck had said. Ed Schultz simply hurled blame for the shooting at the entire Fox News Channel.

All of the media handwringing over conservative talk on television and radio sidesteppped the fact that no evidence had been found (and still none has) supporting that contention. But media liberals were not about to let facts (or, in this case, the lack thereof) get in the way of smearing conservative commentators.

Maybe the words of Loughner's friend above will reinvigorate their concern for truth above political hackery.


Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2011/01/12/loughner-friend-he-did-not-watch-tv-or-listen-political-radio#ixzz1Au9pffCX

[Palin Rider]

The Dems and liberal media have lost his battle and have ened up looking like fools

Whose battle, Burger King Kid?

[NightTrain]

The Dems and liberal media have lost his battle and have ened up looking like fools

It has been determined from friends that Loughner did NOT listen to talk radio or watch the news

10 bucks says there will be no public apologies forthcoming from the moonbats.

[red states rule]

10 bucks says there will be no public apologies forthcoming from the moonbats.

http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/fodentoontarget.jpg

[red states rule]

After nearly a week of being blamed for the shooting, Ms Palin issued a statement and the liberal media's reaction was so typical




At sunrise in the East on Wednesday, Sarah Palin demonstrated that she has little interest — or capacity — in moving beyond her brand of grievance-based politics. And at sundown in the West, Barack Obama reminded even his critics of his ability to rally disparate Americans around a message of reconciliation…

The former Alaska governor has a knack for supplying rhetoric that will delight her supporters, send her critics howling and invariably create a frenzy of coverage. But her response suggests she is capable of hitting just that one note…

But for much of the eight-minute talk she was defensive and showed little interest in doing anything other than channeling the understandable resentment of her ideological kinsmen over the blame-casting. And that won’t appeal much to a political center that — even while they may not think Palin is in any way responsible for Tucson — preferred more conciliation even before the jarring attempted assassination of a member of Congress.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B82A30E5-B3DD-4F3A-951E-585D8CD7F5B7

[revelarts]

After nearly a week of being blamed for the shooting, Ms Palin issued a statement and the liberal media's reaction was so typical

it's been even worse than typical. not even dealing with their part in making her a target from day 1.
,it make no sense.

[Palin Rider]

it's been even worse than typical. not even dealing with their part in making her a target from day 1.
,it make no sense.

A target of what? Who tried to shoot her?

[Psychoblues]

A target of what? Who tried to shoot her?

Holy shit! Is somebody putting crosshairs on the girl king? Where did all this vitriol come from, oh my, oh my!!!!!

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

Holy shit! Is somebody putting crosshairs on the girl king? Where did all this vitriol come from, oh my, oh my!!!!!

Psychoblues

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/1agettypalin.jpg







Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say
Palin's Video Prompts Debate Over 'Blood Libel;' Palin's Office Talking to Security


An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor's team has been talking to security professionals.

Since the shooting in Tucson, Palin has taken much heat for her "crosshairs" map that targeted 20 congressional Democrats in the 2010 mid-term election, including that of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was the main target of Saturday's attack.

Friends say Palin, a possible 2012 contender, was galled as suggestions of her role in the tragedy have swirled.

Palin responded in detail today to the attacks leveled against her, but while her intentions may have been to shift the blame away from herself, she instead put her in the hot seat again.

"Journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn," she said in an early morning Facebook post today.

The term "blood libel" has been used historically to falsely accuse Jews of using Christian children's blood to prepare their Passover matzoh. The myth is said to have begun in Europe as early as the 12th century, perpetuated by the death of a small boy in England in 1144.

It's a term that Jews say has been used to incite anti-Semitism and justify violence against them for centuries.

Palin's use of the word has triggered some deep emotions, even among those who believe Palin has been a target of unfair criticism since the Tucson shooting.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blood-libel-sarah-palins-controversial-reference-riled-emotions/story?id=12601352&page=1

[red states rule]

Not all liberals are trying to make political points over the shooting. Some even admit the truth

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[Palin Rider]

Not all liberals are trying to make political points over the shooting. Some even admit the truth
Everyone knows that your idea of the truth is what Fox tells you, Burger King Kid.

[Kathianne]

Not all liberals are trying to make political points over the shooting. Some even admit the truth

Indeed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/opinion/15blow.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss


January 14, 2011
The Tucson Witch Hunt
By CHARLES M. BLOW

Tragedy in Tucson. Six Dead. Democratic congresswoman shot in the head at rally.

Immediately after the news broke, the air became thick with conjecture, speculation and innuendo. There was a giddy, almost punch-drunk excitement on the left. The prophecy had been fulfilled: “words have consequences.” And now, the right’s rhetorical chickens had finally come home to roost.

The dots were too close and the temptation to connect them too strong. The target was a Democratic congresswoman. There was the map of her district in the cross hairs. There were her own prescient worries about overheated rhetoric.

Within hours of the shooting, there was a full-fledged witch hunt to link the shooter to the right.

“I saw Goody Proctor with the devil! Oh, I mean Jared Lee Loughner! Yes him. With the devil!”

The only problem is that there was no evidence then, and even now, that overheated rhetoric from the right had anything to do with the shooting. (In fact, a couple of people who said they knew him have described him as either apolitical or “quite liberal.”) The picture emerging is of a sad and lonely soul slowly, and publicly, slipping into insanity...

[revelarts]

A target of what? Who tried to shoot her?

so are you and Psych saying that if you blame someone for horrible events over and over irrationally in the media it doesn't cause people to "hate" that person and possible incite some unstable people to violence?

I thought that was your whole point.

But here the media has TARGETED Palin. NAILING her with the Blame.
FOCUSING most of the responsibility and attention on her rather than the victims or the shooter. The Media has KEPT RELOADING and FIRING OFF accusation after accusation barely real and mostly imagined against her. The BARRAGE of Media and pundits SHOOTING verbal ROCKETS of Gulit in her Direction has been intense and regular.

[namvet]

Everyone knows that your idea of the truth is what Fox tells you, Burger King Kid.


http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac169/revelarts/tumblr_l5s29nhnWm1qata4m.gif

take a break kid. don't have to be a prick everyday of your rotten life

[revelarts]

Indeed:


Within hours of the shooting, there was a full-fledged witch hunt to link the shooter to the right.

“I saw Goody Proctor with the devil! Oh, I mean Jared Lee Loughner! Yes him. With the devil!”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/opinion/15blow.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

:laugh:

That's great. Perfect.

[Palin Rider]

so are you and Psych saying that if you blame someone for horrible events over and over irrationally in the media it doesn't cause people to "hate" that person and possible incite some unstable people to violence?

I thought that was your whole point.
Personally, I didn't make any such claim. Can't speak for PB.


But here the media has TARGETED Palin. NAILING her with the Blame.
FOCUSING most of the responsibility and attention on her rather than the victims or the shooter. The Media has KEPT RELOADING and FIRING OFF accusation after accusation barely real and mostly imagined against her.
Imagined accusations? Care to offer some links?

As for the focus on her, IMO most of it comes from Palin opening her own trap to try to re-route some of the publicity in her direction. Common tactic of hers.

[revelarts]

Imagined accusations? Care to offer some links?

As for the focus on her, IMO most of it comes from Palin opening her own trap to try to re-route some of the publicity in her direction. Common tactic of hers.

Seriously?

You've missed the accusations saying that Palins map and talk "somehow" has contributed to the shooting.

among many others posted in various threads on this board here's sample.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palins-crosshairs-ad-focus-gabrielle-giffords-debate/story?id=12576437

PRider your not seriously saying the focus on her came from her? That SHE started talking about herself 1st when the AZ Shooting started? Posting her target map, Quoting herself on Reloading without the immediate caveat "THAT'S NOT A CALL TO VIOLENCE" part.
We all know you don't like her and don't agree with her that's fine. But lets be honest about what she really is and isn't responsible for here.

I find it hard to believe that some people honestly think that Palin intended, hoped or hinted that Democrats should be shot.
That's not her.
Now some of the people around Clinton or the Bushs or Nixon or LBJ yeah. I wouldn't put it past them to knock people off. But Palin? No. I get the impression that she may be off here and there but she is sincere and a decent person, as far a politicians go.
Not a political sith lord.

[revelarts]

Info from Friend and old Girlfriends about the mental state of the shooter.
Really takes it out of the political realm.

The whole thing is so messed up.

No winners here.

Best MSM TV report and pych assessment i've seen so far.

referring to the sequence of videos


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jared-loughner-shooting-at-world-12597553

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jared-loughner-portrait-alleged-killer-12597584&tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=12597604


http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-shooting-friend-jared-loughner-speaks-motive-alleged/story?id=12597092

[red states rule]

Seriously?

You've missed the accusations saying that Palins map and talk "somehow" has contributed to the shooting.

among many others posted in various threads on this board here's sample.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palins-crosshairs-ad-focus-gabrielle-giffords-debate/story?id=12576437

PRider your not seriously saying the focus on her came from her? That SHE started talking about herself 1st when the AZ Shooting started? Posting her target map, Quoting herself on Reloading without the immediate caveat "THAT'S NOT A CALL TO VIOLENCE" part.
We all know you don't like her and don't agree with her that's fine. But lets be honest about what she really is and isn't responsible for here.

I find it hard to believe that some people honestly think that Palin intended, hoped or hinted that Democrats should be shot.
That's not her.
Now some of the people around Clinton or the Bushs or Nixon or LBJ yeah. I wouldn't put it past them to knock people off. But Palin? No. I get the impression that she may be off here and there but she is sincere and a decent person, as far a politicians go.
Not a political sith lord.

PR did not miss anything. He knows what you are talking about - he is being a troll. He was like a fog at a water bowl lapping up all the "news reports" about Ms Palin and the Tea Party being responsible for the shooting. Like PB he tossed out the usual garbage about Sarah Palin and the Tea Party - and when busted he plays dumb

Even the NY Time on their op-ed admitted the week long blame game by libs backfired

As with the Obama agenda no matter how hard the liberal media tried to sell it the people are not buying anyone is responsible for the AZ shooting except the guy that did the shooting

Much to the dismay of people like PR, Gabby, and PB

[red states rule]

Indeed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/opinion/15blow.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Nice try Kat, but PR will come back and blather how the NY Times is a right wing rag :laugh2:

[Palin Rider]

No I won't. The Times is slightly left of center in its editorial policy.

What the hell this has to do with fog in a water bowl, who knows... :dunno:

[Palin Rider]

Seriously?

You've missed the accusations saying that Palins map and talk "somehow" has contributed to the shooting.

among many others posted in various threads on this board here's sample.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palins-crosshairs-ad-focus-gabrielle-giffords-debate/story?id=12576437

PRider your not seriously saying the focus on her came from her? That SHE started talking about herself 1st when the AZ Shooting started? Posting her target map, Quoting herself on Reloading without the immediate caveat "THAT'S NOT A CALL TO VIOLENCE" part.
We all know you don't like her and don't agree with her that's fine. But lets be honest about what she really is and isn't responsible for here.

Honestly, I believe she has exploited the events in Tucson by trying to spin them in such a way as to get more publicity for herself. Not that she (intentionally) incited anyone into shooting other politicians. Hope that's clear enough.

[red states rule]

so are you and Psych saying that if you blame someone for horrible events over and over irrationally in the media it doesn't cause people to "hate" that person and possible incite some unstable people to violence?

I thought that was your whole point.

But here the media has TARGETED Palin. NAILING her with the Blame.
FOCUSING most of the responsibility and attention on her rather than the victims or the shooter. The Media has KEPT RELOADING and FIRING OFF accusation after accusation barely real and mostly imagined against her. The BARRAGE of Media and pundits SHOOTING verbal ROCKETS of Gulit in her Direction has been intense and regular.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Foden20110118-Die%20Palin20110117060747.jpg

[red states rule]

Honestly, I believe she has exploited the events in Tucson by trying to spin them in such a way as to get more publicity for herself. Not that she (intentionally) incited anyone into shooting other politicians. Hope that's clear enough.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/01-16-11mentalillRGB20110117083426.jpg

[Kathianne]

Honestly, I believe she has exploited the events in Tucson by trying to spin them in such a way as to get more publicity for herself. Not that she (intentionally) incited anyone into shooting other politicians. Hope that's clear enough.

By that you mean she had the audacity to defend herself against the attacks made by the left.

[Palin Rider]

By that you mean she had the audacity to defend herself against the attacks made by the left.

You know she did considerably more than just that.

[Palin Rider]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/01-16-11mentalillRGB20110117083426.jpg

Sorry, Burger King Kid; I was talking to someone who actually has the ability to be coherent.

[red states rule]

Honestly, I believe she has exploited the events in Tucson by trying to spin them in such a way as to get more publicity for herself. Not that she (intentionally) incited anyone into shooting other politicians. Hope that's clear enough.

OK folks it is clear the posts made by PR led to the shootings in AZ. It is reasonable to assume PR is an accessory to murder and attempted murder

Now PR do not say a word in defense of yourself. You will be trying to exploit the events in Tucon by attempting to spin the events in such a way as to get publicity for yourself.

[PostmodernProphet]

Indeed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/opinion/15blow.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

interesting quote from the above....

"You can’t claim the higher ground in a pit of quicksand."

[Palin Rider]

OK folks it is clear the posts made by PR led to the shootings in AZ. It is reasonable to assume PR is an accessory to murder and attempted murder.

Actually, I sent subliminal messages to Loughner through his dental fillings.

[NightTrain]

Actually, I sent subliminal messages to Loughner through his dental fillings.


This is why we should outlaw fillings as well as guns.

[red states rule]

This is why we should outlaw fillings as well as guns.

Once again PR is trying to exploit the events in Tucon by attempting to spin the events in such a way as to get publicity for himself.

[Kathianne]

Once again PR is trying to exploit the events in Tucon by attempting to spin the events in such a way as to get publicity for himself.

Aw RSR, he can only throw one liners and insults cause it's all he has. Best thing is to let him be and ignore.

[Palin Rider]

Aw RSR, he can only throw one liners and insults cause it's all he has. Best thing is to let him be and ignore.

Obviously you never do what you think is the best thing. :laugh: