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red states rule
01-15-2011, 04:23 PM
This should make libs cry in thier pillow every night from now on. Dispite theri best efforts, Sara Palin has not been damaged by the nonstop lies and attacks by the left and liberal media




Flemington, NJ, January 14, 2011 – A new national study among 1,437 self-reported Democrats, Republicans and Independents revealed that Americans indicated that Sarah Palin was more sincere and believable after viewing her speech in response to the shootings in Tucson.

The study was conducted during January 13-14 by HCD Research and reported on its MediaCurves.com® website, to obtain Americans’ perceptions of Sarah Palin after viewing a video of a speech she gave in response to the shootings in Tucson.

Respondents were asked to rate Sarah Palin on a scale from 1-7 regarding likeability, believability and sincerity, with 1 representing “not at all strong in this attribute” and 7 representing “extremely strong in this attribute.”

With the exception of likeability among Democrats, Palin’s attribute ratings increased among all parties after viewing her speech. The most notable increase was her sincerity ratings, which increased from 2.62 to 2.69 among Democrats, from 5.25 to 5.45 among Republicans and from 3.68 to 3.85 among Independents.

http://mediacurves.com/Politics/SarahPalinonTucson/Index.cfm

gabosaurus
01-16-2011, 01:22 AM
You are really grasping at straws here. The increases were very marginal in all categories. I still looking at the numbers who would vote for Palin in 2012 -- 12 pct of Dems, 29 pct of Independents, 56 percent of GOP.

Thunderknuckles
01-16-2011, 01:38 AM
You are really grasping at straws here. The increases were very marginal in all categories. I still looking at the numbers who would vote for Palin in 2012 -- 12 pct of Dems, 29 pct of Independents, 56 percent of GOP.
56 pct of GOP would vote for Palin!?
Jesus, I'm a conservative and I'll take Hillary over Sarah any day :laugh:
Forgive me my conservative friends but Palin would better serve us as a Tea Party spokesperson and TV personality :p

I'll take Hillary over her any day. There, I said it!

red states rule
01-16-2011, 04:47 AM
You are really grasping at straws here. The increases were very marginal in all categories. I still looking at the numbers who would vote for Palin in 2012 -- 12 pct of Dems, 29 pct of Independents, 56 percent of GOP.

One would think Gabby after a week of being the cause of several murders and the attempted murder of a US Congresswomen - her poll numbers would have dropped

That was the motive behind the slander Gabby - right?

In case you forgot the nonstop campaign of the liberal media to link thier political opponents to the shooting - here are some examples

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red states rule
01-16-2011, 04:48 AM
56 pct of GOP would vote for Palin!?
Jesus, I'm a conservative and I'll take Hillary over Sarah any day :laugh:
Forgive me my conservative friends but Palin would better serve us as a Tea Party spokesperson and TV personality :p

I'll take Hillary over her any day. There, I said it!

So why would any conservatve vote for a liberal like Hillary?

Were you one of those conservatives who voted for Obama?

Did you vote for Kerry as well?

Gaffer
01-16-2011, 10:51 AM
56 pct of GOP would vote for Palin!?
Jesus, I'm a conservative and I'll take Hillary over Sarah any day :laugh:
Forgive me my conservative friends but Palin would better serve us as a Tea Party spokesperson and TV personality :p

I'll take Hillary over her any day. There, I said it!

damn Thunder I'm disappointed in you. Palin's heads and shoulders above Hillary just in ethics alone. We're not done cleaning out the GOP and there may be others better than Palin, but hillary? You must be out of your mind.

red states rule
01-16-2011, 11:51 AM
damn Thunder I'm disappointed in you. Palin's heads and shoulders above Hillary just in ethics alone. We're not done cleaning out the GOP and there may be others better than Palin, but hillary? You must be out of your mind.

I know alot of conservatives and none of them would ever consider voting for Hillary

This is the women who said she would TAKE the profits away from oil companies and use the money for research into alternate energy sources

red states rule
01-16-2011, 11:52 AM
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Tuscon_Mob15120110110114621.jpg

Thunderknuckles
01-16-2011, 01:02 PM
LOL, I am guilty on all accounts except for voting for Kerry.
Sorry folks. I just can't bring myself to vote for Palin. Who knows, she may impress me during the presidential debates if and when she runs.

fj1200
01-16-2011, 01:53 PM
56 pct of GOP would vote for Palin!?
Jesus, I'm a conservative and I'll take Hillary over Sarah any day :laugh:
Forgive me my conservative friends but Palin would better serve us as a Tea Party spokesperson and TV personality :p

I'll take Hillary over her any day. There, I said it!

You're right about the bold but the rest... :eek:

gabosaurus
01-16-2011, 08:38 PM
I would never vote for Palin because of one primary reason -- she is certified batshit crazy.

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OldMercsRule
01-16-2011, 08:53 PM
LOL, I am guilty on all accounts except for voting for Kerry.
Sorry folks. I just can't bring myself to vote for Palin. Who knows, she may impress me during the presidential debates if and when she runs.

You voted for Obamaprompter and call yerself a Cornservative??? :laugh2:

Why didn't ya vote fer Puke Kerry???? :laugh2:

Ya clearly have no idea, (not even a foggy notion), of what bein' a Cornservative is. :laugh2::laugh2:

gabosaurus
01-16-2011, 08:57 PM
Obviously "being a conservative" means voting straight party without any thought to who you are voting for.

http://i53.tinypic.com/fz163b.jpg

Kathianne
01-16-2011, 09:01 PM
Obviously "being a conservative" means voting straight party without any thought to who you are voting for.

http://i53.tinypic.com/fz163b.jpg

Trolling:

http://spectator.org/archives/2008/12/23/rousing-the-rabble/print


...The tactic of blaming Palin for "racist anger" toward Obama developed as a theme during the fall campaign, evidently based on post hoc ergo propter hoc thinking within Team Obama. Threats against Obama increased as the campaign heated up after Labor Day, and since this followed the Aug. 29 announcement of the Alaska governor as Republican running mate, Palin herself was scapegoated.

That claim was distilled in a November article in the London Daily Telegraph with the misleading headline, "Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama."

The Secret Service never said any such thing and the Telegraph's story didn't actually say that they had said it. Rather, Telegraph reporter Tim Shipman was paraphrasing a Newsweek account of the campaign that quoted Obama adviser Gregory Craig in mid-October expressing concern about "the frenzied atmosphere at the Palin rallies." The same paragraph of the Newsweek story asserted (without attribution) that the Obama campaign had been "provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October."

It was the Obama campaign, not the Secret Service, which suggested a connection between the "frenzied atmosphere" around Palin and the threats. Obama himself appeared to believe there was such a connection, raising it in his final debate with John McCain.

That accusation evidently stemmed from an Oct. 14 newspaper report that an audience member at a Palin rally in Scranton, Pa., shouted "kill him" when Obama's name was mentioned. The Secret Service investigated but was unable to corroborate that account, as Newsweek subsequently reported, and yet the alleged threat has entered the colloquial what-everybody-knows version of the campaign.

All this fits within a narrative arc that Democrats and their media allies are constructing around Palin, portraying her as an uncouth rabble-rouser leading an angry (and perhaps dangerous) populist opposition to Obama...

Team Obama created the lie, now the trolls repeat what was never true. The party of hate begins with Gabby.

OldMercsRule
01-16-2011, 09:05 PM
Obviously "being a conservative" means voting straight party without any thought to who you are voting for.



How would you know anything about bein' a Cornservative? :laugh2:

red states rule
01-17-2011, 04:34 AM
LOL, I am guilty on all accounts except for voting for Kerry.
Sorry folks. I just can't bring myself to vote for Palin. Who knows, she may impress me during the presidential debates if and when she runs.

So you did vote for Obama eh? Tell me, how is that hope and change going for ya?

Do you regret that vote yet?

red states rule
01-17-2011, 04:41 AM
Obviously "being a conservative" means voting straight party without any thought to who you are voting for.

http://i53.tinypic.com/fz163b.jpg

Gabby, why not having your side put up a candidate other then a tax and spend liberal and perhaps you will get more folks from the right to vote for your candidate?

Sine I have been voting these are the candidates Dems have put up for President

Jimmy Carter

Walter Mondale

Michael Dukakis

Bill Clinton

Al Gore

John Kerry

Obama

All of them big government and big spending liberals.

Look at your on state of CA. You have had the same policies for decades and look at the mess you are in

Yet in the last election you continued to elect tax and spend liberals thinking this time the fiscal problems will finally be solved

red states rule
01-17-2011, 04:44 AM
How would you know anything about bein' a Cornservative? :laugh2:

Only what the hosts on MSNBC tell her. For example:


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red states rule
01-17-2011, 05:01 AM
How would you know anything about bein' a Cornservative? :laugh2:

and what CNN tells her

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Thunderknuckles
01-17-2011, 09:20 AM
You voted for Obamaprompter and call yerself a Cornservative??? :laugh2:

Why didn't ya vote fer Puke Kerry???? :laugh2:

Ya clearly have no idea, (not even a foggy notion), of what bein' a Cornservative is. :laugh2::laugh2:
How I vote does not define my political views. Conservatives can vote for liberal candidates but that does not make them liberal.


So you did vote for Obama eh? Tell me, how is that hope and change going for ya?

Do you regret that vote yet?
I explained why I voted for Obama in another thread asking that specific question. To answer again, I didn't vote because I believed in the "hopy changy" thing (which is getting old by the way). I voted for him because as a life long Republican, I got fed up with the party after Bush and felt it was time to give the other team a chance.

I am certainly not alone in my feelings for the Republican party as it stands today. Look no further than the Tea Party to see many feel the same. Hence, I will be interested to see who the Tea Party supports in 2012.

BoogyMan
01-17-2011, 09:44 AM
Obviously "being a conservative" means voting straight party without any thought to who you are voting for.

Wow, this is a VERY ironic statement coming for you, Gabby.

OldMercsRule
01-17-2011, 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by OldMercsRule
You voted for Obamaprompter and call yerself a Cornservative???

Why didn't ya vote fer Puke Kerry????

Ya clearly have no idea, (not even a foggy notion), of what bein' a Cornservative is.



How I vote does not define my political views.

Sure it does.


Conservatives can vote for liberal candidates but that does not make them liberal.

No.... Cornservatives do not vote fer Liberals unless the only choice is an inexperienced Socialist Chicago thug "community activist" and a Joe Stalin type Commie. As I said previously: you have no idea of what a Cornservative is. :laugh2: :laugh2:


Originally Posted by red states rule
So you did vote for Obama eh? Tell me, how is that hope and change going for ya?

Do you regret that vote yet?


I explained why I voted for Obama in another thread asking that specific question. To answer again, I didn't vote because I believed in the "hopy changy" thing (which is getting old by the way). I voted for him because as a life long Republican, I got fed up with the party after Bush and felt it was time to give the other team a chance.

"A life long Republican" may or may not be a Cornservative, you are very cornfused. Susan Collins may have voted fer Obamaprompter, (as you did), just because she is a "life long Republican" doesn't make her a Conservative.


I am certainly not alone in my feelings for the Republican party as it stands today.

I am not a Republican, (never have been), I am, however a Cornservative. I don't let me feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings dictate how I vote or approach politics, that is what modern Liberals, some Independents, n' Moderates do. :laugh2:

Cornservatives use logic, history, n' rational thought, (even if they only have one functional brain cell), ta form their positions.


Look no further than the Tea Party to see many feel the same.

The Tea Party is full of Independents, Moderates, Democrats n' such.......... :rolleyes:


Hence, I will be interested to see who the Tea Party supports in 2012.

Yasureyabetcha.....n' if ya feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel good about what the Tea Party does maybe you will act as they dictate eh? :laugh2: :laugh2:

red states rule
01-17-2011, 11:21 AM
I explained why I voted for Obama in another thread asking that specific question. To answer again, I didn't vote because I believed in the "hopy changy" thing (which is getting old by the way). I voted for him because as a life long Republican, I got fed up with the party after Bush and felt it was time to give the other team a chance.

I am certainly not alone in my feelings for the Republican party as it stands today. Look no further than the Tea Party to see many feel the same. Hence, I will be interested to see who the Tea Party supports in 2012.

So being a conservative you had a choice between a liberal lite (McCain) and a full fledged liberal (Obama) and you went with the full fledged liberal?

No, the hopey changey thing is not old - it is a total failure.

It is always amusing and funny to hear self professed conservatives amdit they voted for Obama because they were pissed at Bush

Very strange and twisted logic to say the least

gabosaurus
01-17-2011, 12:31 PM
This thread has taken an interesting turn. Judging by his posts, Thunderknuckles strikes me as the average conservative Republican. Yet, because he dared to actually think outside the box once and thought before he voted, he is being cast into the liberal Lake of Fire.
Because that is what being a modern ConRep is all about -- adhering to the straight party line on all issues. You are not allowed to consider any other issues.

I find it intriguing that ConReps and teabaggers refuse to believe anything that is not validated by Fox News or the radio talking heads. And yet they accuse liberals of doing the same with other networks.
I don't think I have ever watched MSNBC. We normally do not have the news on in our house. Though perhaps I have been brainwashed by the liberal hosts of the Animal Channel.

What do I know about being a conservative? I married one.

red states rule
01-17-2011, 12:33 PM
This thread has taken an interesting turn. Judging by his posts, Thunderknuckles strikes me as the average conservative Republican. Yet, because he dared to actually think outside the box once and thought before he voted, he is being cast into the liberal Lake of Fire.
Because that is what being a modern ConRep is all about -- adhering to the straight party line on all issues. You are not allowed to consider any other issues.

I find it intriguing that ConReps and teabaggers refuse to believe anything that is not validated by Fox News or the radio talking heads. And yet they accuse liberals of doing the same with other networks.
I don't think I have ever watched MSNBC. We normally do not have the news on in our house. Though perhaps I have been brainwashed by the liberal hosts of the Animal Channel.

What do I know about being a conservative? I married one.

Hey Gabby, your guy Obama told you to "tone it down"

Is this version of civility?

gabosaurus
01-17-2011, 12:38 PM
Since when is Obama "my guy?" Unlike the conservatives of this country, I don't allow political figures to influence my actions or thoughts.

red states rule
01-17-2011, 12:42 PM
Since when is Obama "my guy?" Unlike the conservatives of this country, I don't allow political figures to influence my actions or thoughts.

He has been your guy from day one Gabby. You voted for him, and even started a thread on all the Obama "hate"

And using your "logic" YOU are to blame for the AZ shootings Gabby

From the NY Times:




He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government and that the country’s central banking system was enslaving its citizens. His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.

“I think he feels the people should be able to govern themselves,” said Ms. Figueroa, his former girlfriend. “We didn’t need a higher authority.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg

Thunderknuckles
01-17-2011, 12:44 PM
OldMercsRule I have voted for conservative Republicans in every Presidential election with the exception of Obama. So, am I conservative or liberal? Let me guess, another snide response that includes something insulting followed by a few :laugh2:

Red States, I was a McCain fan back in 2000 but since then I started to dislike the guy. I won't bother with the details. So when it came down to McCain, Obama, and my feelings for the Republican party in general, I went with Obama and I stand behind that vote.

In any case, it's amazing how condescending you conservatives get when another conservative decides for the first time to vote for a liberal candidate.

red states rule
01-17-2011, 12:49 PM
OldMercsRule I have voted for conservative Republicans in every Presidential election with the exception of Obama. So, am I conservative or liberal? Let me guess, another snide response that includes something insulting followed by a few :laugh2:

Red States, I was a McCain fan back in 2000 but since then I started to dislike the guy. I won't bother with the details. So when it came down to McCain, Obama, and my feelings for the Republican party in general, I went with Obama and I stand behind that vote.

In any case, it's amazing how condescending you conservatives get when another conservative decides for the first time to vote for a liberal candidate.

Not being condescending and I have not called you a liberal

I am trying to understand your logic and reasons for voting for Obama

I am trying to understand why after Bush and his actions why anyone would vote for such a huge tax and spend liberal like Obama

fj1200
01-17-2011, 04:59 PM
Because that is what being a modern ConRep is all about -- adhering to the straight party line on all issues. You are not allowed to consider any other issues.

So... conservatives, via the Tea Party, threw out some of its own members during the primaries, voiced strong opinions contrary to party insiders, worked to directly contradict party leaders all OUTSIDE of the normal party process and a "modern ConRep" are the straight liners? :laugh:

How many LibDems were challenged in the primaries? Seems they're the ones stuck in the box.

revelarts
01-17-2011, 06:43 PM
So... conservatives, via the Tea Party, threw out some of its own members during the primaries, voiced strong opinions contrary to party insiders, worked to directly contradict party leaders all OUTSIDE of the normal party process and a "modern ConRep" are the straight liners? :laugh:

How many LibDems were challenged in the primaries? Seems they're the ones stuck in the box.

I think many Liberals have gotten their wake up call.
I told a few I know to watch and see how much Pelosi gets done and Obama when he got in. But They still are dems even though they feel just as betrayed as I did when Newt and Bush turned there backs on their supposed principals.

On the left it seems like Cindy Sheehan is NO Longer a party favorite because she's still pissed that Obama hasn't stopped the wars. She says that many of her D party "Friends" don't return her calls anymore and the media doesn't show up when she protest OBAMA's wars.

The Tea Party has been co-oped a bit but still has some of it's own life.
Everyones starting to realize that "the people" we've been conned by the politicians and if we don't by the hype that we are powerless we could actually get somethings done.
But they've got us so divided over petty nonsense at this point I wonder.
Neither side wants to look at all the facts or admit its mistakes.
And it seems both sides really only want parts of the constitution.

The rank and file of the right think (are told) they are Batman and the world is Gothem city, full of super villains and the left has been convinced they are Robin Hood and his merry men. Both want to use the power of big gov't to "do their job". But the rich elites powers are playing both side and getting rich off of the whole game and giving both sides scraps, praise and marching orders.

OldMercsRule
01-17-2011, 09:13 PM
OldMercsRule I have voted for conservative Republicans in every Presidential election with the exception of Obama. So, am I conservative or liberal?

Can't tell, butt: yer CLEARLY a very illogical feller, (based on yer stated voting patterns).

Maybe you were totally uninformed about the fact that Obamaprompter was the most Liberal out of 100 fairly Liberal Senators.

Maybe ya had no idea that the fruit fly thug from the windy city hung with Hyde Park Hard Lefties like Bernardine Dohrn, n' Billy Ayers, n' radical Black Sepratist Jeremiah the bull frog Wright.

Maybe ya liked the fact that Obamaprompter's Mentor was Hard Left Commie Frank Marshal Davis.

Maybe Obamaprompter's only "execultive" experience (with the Annenberg Challange), where he blew a paultry $150 million and the results were a total failure realy REALLY impressed ya....

After all you n' Gabby are from California. I know there really are Cornservatives inland, butt: the large bright blue coastal cities can tend ta cornfuse people. :laugh2:

So maybe ya have a few views to the right of Barbara Streistand n' ya fancy yersef as a real right wing nut. :laugh2:

Hard ta tell, not knowin' more then a few posts n' the fact that ya voted fer the most Liberal n' clearly incompetent POTUS since Jimmy Carter, (n' old Jimmy did cum from GA n' ran as a Cornservative dim wit Democrat). :laugh2:

No competent Cornservative I know of voted fer Obamaprompter.


Let me guess, another snide response that includes something insulting followed by a few :laugh2:

Sorry I hurt yer widdle feeeeeeeeeelings........, (Liberals do tend ta get butt hurt real bad as you seem ta be). :laugh2: I didn't call ya a Liberal, I did say you were NO CORNSERVATIVE and ya aren't!!!! That doesn't mean ya can't buck up n' start payin' attention.


Red States, I was a McCain fan back in 2000 but since then I started to dislike the guy. I won't bother with the details. So when it came down to McCain, Obama, and my feelings for the Republican party in general, I went with Obama and I stand behind that vote.

Cornservatives don't let their feeeeeeeeeeelings corntrol their positions. :laugh2:


In any case, it's amazing how condescending you conservatives get when another conservative decides for the first time to vote for a liberal candidate.

Sorry I call spades: SPADES. :laugh2:

OldMercsRule
01-17-2011, 09:21 PM
This thread has taken an interesting turn. Judging by his posts, Thunderknuckles strikes me as the average conservative Republican.

That is because ya have NO CLUE what a Cornservative is. :laugh2:


Yet, because he dared to actually think outside the box once and thought before he voted, he is being cast into the liberal Lake of Fire.

Never called him a Liberal, I said he was no Cornservative and he isn't!!


Because that is what being a modern ConRep is all about -- adhering to the straight party line on all issues. You are not allowed to consider any other issues.

You have zero idea of what you are taliking about.


I find it intriguing that ConReps and teabaggers refuse to believe anything that is not validated by Fox News or the radio talking heads.

How could you possibly know that? Are ya a mind reader???? :laugh2::laugh2:


And yet they accuse liberals of doing the same with other networks.
I don't think I have ever watched MSNBC. We normally do not have the news on in our house. Though perhaps I have been brainwashed by the liberal hosts of the Animal Channel.

Hmmmmmmm...... ya think yer brain washed eh? :laugh:


What do I know about being a conservative? I married one.

That doesn't mean ya know anything about Cornservatism.

Yer discourse proves yer clueless.

Kathianne
01-17-2011, 09:22 PM
So far there is not much to judge whether or not those elected under tea party ideas are sticking with it. Truth is, if they work towards shrinking government, witholding funding for healthcare changes, and speaking of the need for more representatives to hold the line, they will have done well. There are way more Republicans than there are conservatives. Both the Republicans and Conservatives are a minority in Senate and do not have a super majority in the House.

Those that expect they can repeal Obamacare or prevent all bills that people want halted are deluding themselves.

Thunderknuckles
01-18-2011, 01:40 AM
Can't tell, butt: yer CLEARLY a very illogical feller, (based on yer stated voting patterns).

Maybe you were totally uninformed about the fact that Obamaprompter was the most Liberal out of 100 fairly Liberal Senators.

Maybe ya had no idea that the fruit fly thug from the windy city hung with Hyde Park Hard Lefties like Bernardine Dohrn, n' Billy Ayers, n' radical Black Sepratist Jeremiah the bull frog Wright.

Maybe ya liked the fact that Obamaprompter's Mentor was Hard Left Commie Frank Marshal Davis.

Maybe Obamaprompter's only "execultive" experience (with the Annenberg Challange), where he blew a paultry $150 million and the results were a total failure realy REALLY impressed ya....

After all you n' Gabby are from California. I know there really are Cornservatives inland, butt: the large bright blue coastal cities can tend ta cornfuse people. :laugh2:

So maybe ya have a few views to the right of Barbara Streistand n' ya fancy yersef as a real right wing nut. :laugh2:

Hard ta tell, not knowin' more then a few posts n' the fact that ya voted fer the most Liberal n' clearly incompetent POTUS since Jimmy Carter, (n' old Jimmy did cum from GA n' ran as a Cornservative dim wit Democrat). :laugh2:

No competent Cornservative I know of voted fer Obamaprompter.



Sorry I hurt yer widdle feeeeeeeeeelings........, (Liberals do tend ta get butt hurt real bad as you seem ta be). :laugh2: I didn't call ya a Liberal, I did say you were NO CORNSERVATIVE and ya aren't!!!! That doesn't mean ya can't buck up n' start payin' attention.



Cornservatives don't let their feeeeeeeeeeelings corntrol their positions. :laugh2:



Sorry I call spades: SPADES. :laugh2:
Durka dur!!

OldMercsRule
01-18-2011, 08:24 AM
"A rarely used Arab word that roughly translates to: "I am a huge homoesexual, why do I say this word? It makes no sense. I am a fag and my existence is null and void.""I said Durka Dur today... the realization that my existence is a burden on my soul and the souls of everyone around me. End my life." "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Durka%20Dur

:laugh2::laugh2:

red states rule
01-18-2011, 08:33 AM
So far there is not much to judge whether or not those elected under tea party ideas are sticking with it. Truth is, if they work towards shrinking government, witholding funding for healthcare changes, and speaking of the need for more representatives to hold the line, they will have done well. There are way more Republicans than there are conservatives. Both the Republicans and Conservatives are a minority in Senate and do not have a super majority in the House.

Those that expect they can repeal Obamacare or prevent all bills that people want halted are deluding themselves.

From what I have seen the Tea Party candidates are trying to hold out for spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

Also, the vote to repeal Obamacare in the House is set for later this week

I say pass the bill, pass the spending cuts, and let the Dems block it in the Senate. There are about 20 plus Dems in the Senate up in 2012 and wheile they will not admit it; they know how the voters feel about Obamacare and the spending

They might jump ship and vote with the Tea Pary

If not they will be on the hot seat in 2012

Along with any R's who forget the message sent on Nov 2 2010

red states rule
01-18-2011, 08:41 AM
Now even Ed Koch has to speakk out in defense of Ms Palin




As I see it, in the current battle for public opinion Sarah Palin has defeated her harsh and unfair critics.

After the January 8 shooting of U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords and the murder of six others in Tucson, Arizona, some television talking heads and members of the blogosphere denounced her and held her in part responsible for creating a climate of hatred that resulted in the mass attacks.

An example is Joe Scarborough and his crew on the "Morning Joe" show, which I watch and generally enjoy every morning at 6:30 a.m. when I rise to start the day. Because Palin designated Congresswoman Giffords and others for defeat in the November elections by the use of crosshairs on website maps of the Congressional districts, they blamed Palin for creating an atmosphere that caused Jared Loughner (whom everyone now recognizes as being mentally disturbed) to embark on the shooting and killing spree.

Then reason set in, led by President Obama in his now famous and widely-lauded speech in Tucson bringing the country together. Most commentators did an about-face, recognizing that the lack of civility in both speech and actions by politicians, particularly in Washington, were not the cause of the shootings. A friend of the shooter said he had no interest in politics or talk radio. Insanity was the cause of his vicious acts, not political rhetoric.

While the charge of responsibility against Palin was dropped, the Scarborough crew continued to assail her for defending herself on her website where she stated that she had been the subject of a blood libel. Her critics were incensed that she should use the term "blood libel." That was the description given by Jews to the charge of Christian clergy who falsely accused Jews of killing Christian children in order to make matzos (unleavened bread) during the Passover holiday. That libelous accusation was intended by those using it to cause pogroms that killed and injured thousands of Jews. It started in the early centuries A.D. and continues to date, according to Wikipedia. That same charge - blood libel - is now repeated by the media in Arab countries to stir up the anger of the Arab street against the Jews in Israel. The libel continues to do damage.

Today the phrase "blood libel" can be used to describe any monstrous defamation against any person, Jew or non-Jew. It was used by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon when he was falsely accused of permitting the Lebanese Christian militia to kill hundreds of defenseless and innocent Muslim men, women and children in Lebanese refugee camps. The killings were monstrous and indefensible revenge for earlier killings by Muslims of innocent Christian civilians.

Time Magazine published a story implying that Sharon was directly responsible for the massacres. He sued the magazine. At trial it was determined that the magazine story included false allegations, but since Sharon was a public figure, he received no monetary damages.

How dare Sarah Palin, cried the commentators, use that phrase to describe the criticism of her by those who blamed her for creating the atmosphere that set Loughner off in his murderous madness. Some took the position that it proved their ongoing charges that she is not an intelligent person and probably did not know what the phrase meant historically. In my opinion, she was right to denounce her critics and use blood libel to describe the unfair criticism that she had been subject to.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/01/18/palin_defeated_unfair_critics_at_nyt__msnbc_108561 .html

Palin Rider
01-18-2011, 10:28 PM
Americans View Sarah Palin as more Sincere and Believable after Watching Speech
She really didn't have anywhere to go but up.

red states rule
01-19-2011, 03:55 AM
and what about Dupnik? Perhaps he should be doing his job instead of giving his opinons to the liberal media





It just gets better and better with Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima County, Ariz., doesn't it? The city of Tucson is in Pima County. Friends and relatives of the victims of the Jan. 8 shootings that left six dead and at least 14 wounded should regret that Dupnik is their sheriff.

After the shootings, Dupnik -- a Democrat who reportedly is also a Rachel Maddow fan -- tried to blame, not the suspect Jared Loughner, but conservative radio and TV talk show hosts, a climate of "hatred" and "vitriol," and all those "bigoted" Arizonans outside of that oasis of tolerance and enlightenment known as Pima County.

Dupnik seemed to have not a clue that he wasn't pointing the finger at the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the nation, nor at those racists in that "Mecca of bigotry and prejudice" called Arizona, but at one Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

If he thinks all those racist loonies are out there gunning for elected officials, shouldn't he have ordered a posse of deputies to protect Rep. Gabrielle Giffords at that Safeway in Tucson?

Of course he should have. Now it comes to light that Dupnik had even better reasons to do that than his hunch that homicidal nut jobs are inspired by conservatives only. According to several news sources, Dupnik's office knew that Loughner had made death threats against people living in or near Tucson long before Jan. 8, 2011.

"Sheriff Dupnik would do far better to spend his time figuring out how Jared Loughner managed to buy a gun last November to commit his crimes," opined John Fund in a commentary for the Wall Street Journal's Web site.

"He apparently passed a federal background check solely because he had no prison record. But Reuters reports that Sheriff Dupnik acknowledged that 'there had been earlier contact between Loughner and law enforcement after he had made death threats, although they had not been against Giffords.' The sheriff's department was aware that Loughner had been asked by police at a local community college to stop attending classes because of his odd behavior. Several of his fellow students expressed fear of him and said they believed he was unstable."

Some media outlets -- and yes, I mean the more liberal ones -- have refused to touch those allegations with a 10-mile pole. Keith Olbermann of MSNBC had Dupnik on the air last week, and the sheriff pretty much confirmed what the WSJ and Reuters had said.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/01/gregory-kane-sheriff-dupnik-doesnt-have-clue#ixzz1BTB15esr

Palin Rider
01-19-2011, 04:32 PM
and what about Dupnik? Perhaps he should be doing his job instead of giving his opinons to the liberal media

It's totally possible for him to do both, Burger King Kid.

fj1200
01-19-2011, 04:41 PM
It's totally possible for him to do both, Burger King Kid.

Not well.

revelarts
01-19-2011, 04:56 PM
http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2008_09_sarahhill.jpg

best chance for a 3rd party candidate WIN

red states rule
01-20-2011, 03:24 AM
Not well.

But as long as he takes up valuable time that should be gather factual evidence, and sprews the DNC talking points - he will get a pass

Of course he would make a great defense witness by expressing how conservatives are really the guilty party in the shhoting and not the shooter on trial

LuvRPgrl
01-20-2011, 04:45 AM
You voted for Obamaprompter and call yerself a Cornservative??? :laugh2:

Why didn't ya vote fer Puke Kerry???? :laugh2:

Ya clearly have no idea, (not even a foggy notion), of what bein' a Cornservative is. :laugh2::laugh2:

I think he must be reading the same material as Palin Rider,,

LuvRPgrl
01-20-2011, 04:56 AM
OldMercsRule I have voted for conservative Republicans in every Presidential election with the exception of Obama. So, am I conservative or liberal? Let me guess, another snide response that includes something insulting followed by a few :laugh2:

Red States, I was a McCain fan back in 2000 but since then I started to dislike the guy. I won't bother with the details. So when it came down to McCain, Obama, and my feelings for the Republican party in general, I went with Obama and I stand behind that vote.

In any case, it's amazing how condescending you conservatives get when another conservative decides for the first time to vote for a liberal candidate.

You started out by declaring you support HIllary over Palin. THAT alone is enough to declare you as "not a conservative".

SO, it wasnt JUST your voting for OBAMA that made some here jump to the conclusion that you are not a a conservative.

ALthough, in my opinion, either one by itself IS enough proof, voting for Hillary or Obama would justify believing you arent a conservative, as in my opinion, NO GOOD CONSERVATIVE would EVER vote for either of those two.