House repeals Obamacare 245-189, Dem Rep calls Republicans "Nazis" on House floor

[Little-Acorn]

Well, Republicans kept one of their campaign promises, as the House voted to repeal Obamacare. The repeal bill is less likely to get through the Senate where Democrats still hold a reduce majority, though there is hope as some Senate Dems run scared of their constituents who overwhelmingly want the Health Care takeover repealed. In any event, it is very unlikely that President Obama will sign any repeal bill that may reach his desk.

Still it's a sign of times to come. 2/3 of the Senate has yet to face election after Democrats shoved Obamacare down the throats of huge majorities of their constituents who didn't want it... as does Obama himself.

The House currently has 242 Republicans and 193 Democrats. Even if every Republican voted to repeal, it is clear that some Democrats did so too.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/138897-house-votes-to-repeal-healthcare-law

House repeals healthcare law
By Russell Berman - 01/19/11 05:54 PM ET

The House voted on Wednesday to repeal the sweeping healthcare law enacted last year, as Republicans made good on a central campaign pledge and laid down the first major policy marker of their new majority.

The vote was 245-189.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the healthcare law on the books would increase spending, raise taxes and eliminate jobs.

“Repeal means paving the way for better solutions that will lower the costs without destroying jobs or bankrupting our government," Boehner said in remarks on the floor before the vote.

“Let’s stop payment on this check before it can destroy more jobs or put us into a deeper hole.”

The vote to roll back the president’s signature domestic achievement of the 111th Congress just 10 months after its passage underscores the deep divisions that still surround the new law. But whether House action will signal the beginning of a rapid dismantling of the healthcare overhaul or serve merely as a historical footnote remains to be seen.

Democratic leaders in the Senate have vowed to shelve the repeal bill, and Obama has said he would veto repeal if it ever reached his desk.

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On the House floor, however, rank-and-file members occasionally broke with the restrained and civil tone. On Tuesday night, Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen (Tenn.) compared Republican claims about the healthcare reform law to lies promulgated by the Nazis that led to the Holocaust.

"They don't like the truth, so they summarily dismiss it," said Cohen, who is Jewish. "They say it's a government takeover of healthcare. A big lie, just like [Nazi propaganda minister Joseph] Goebbels. You say it enough and you repeat the lie, repeat the lie, repeat the lie until eventually people believe it. Like blood libel, that's the same kind of thing.

"The Germans said enough about the Jews and people believed it, and you have the Holocaust," he added. "You tell a lie over and over again."

Party leaders did not comment on Cohen’s remarks, but they came hours after the second-ranking House Democrat, Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.), complained that too much of the public debate “is about incitement rather than informing.”

“It's about making people angry [and] disrespecting the other point of view or the other side," Hoyer added. "We have a responsibility to try to focus debate ... in a way that does not incite, but that informs."

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), a conservative firebrand, called the healthcare law “the crown jewel of socialism.”


(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)

[MtnBiker]

Awesome!

[Little-Acorn]

One of the funnier parts of the article is Steve Cohen (D-Tenn). After literally years of his party's fibs over how this socialized-medicine scheme will lower costs and improve health care in the country, NOW he starts complaining about "people who repeat lies over and over, hoping they will become truth". Funny part is, he's trying to aim that at Republicans, whose description of Obamacare as a "government takeover" is much close to the truth than the Democrats' wild ravings.

But he got one part right. People who do that, are indeed on the same levels as Josef Goebbels.

[red states rule]

and when the libs and liberal media start whining how repeal of Obamacare will add to the deficit - consider this

(BTW the author was the former associate director of OMB)





The Congressional Budget Office says repealing the Affordable Care Act would increase the deficit by $230 billion over the coming decade and by a modest amount in the decade after that. The CBO estimate has become the central defense by ACA advocates fighting the upcoming repeal vote in the House.

They might want to re-think their strategy. A close examination of CBO's work and other evidence undercuts this budget-busting argument about repeal and leads to the exact opposite conclusion, which is that repeal is the logical first step toward restoring fiscal sanity.

Federal finances are buckling under the weight of unaffordable entitlement programs. So what is the primary aim of the ACA? Open-ended entitlement expansion: to more people at greater expense than anytime since the 1960's. If CBO is right, 32 million people will be added to the health entitlement rolls, at a cost of $938 billion through 2019, and growing faster than the economy or revenues thereafter.

How, then, does the ACA magically convert $1 trillion in new spending into painless deficit reduction? It's all about budget gimmicks, deceptive accounting, and implausible assumptions used to create the false impression of fiscal discipline.

For starters, that $1 trillion price is a low-ball estimate, covering only six – not ten – years of subsidies that don't begin until 2014. The uninsured were clearly less of a priority than the deception of making the law look less expensive than it really is over its first decade. Over ten years of full implementation, it's more like $2.3 trillion.

Next up is the CLASS Act (for the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act) providing a new long-term care insurance entitlement. CLASS hitched a ride on the ACA for one reason only: premiums are collected in the first ten years, but no benefits are provided. Voila, it creates the perception of $70 billion in deficit reduction. In fact, CLASS is a bailout waiting to happen, as it will attract mainly sick enrollees. Only in Washington could the creation of a reckless entitlement program be used as "offset" to grease the way for another entitlement.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954004576089702354292100.html

[Psychoblues]

Steve Cohen is the most most decent, honest and Patriotic American I have ever met. When the real death panels of the health insurance bureacracy and republican refusals to address the true issues making themselves death panels only once removed maybe you'll understand when you're laying on your death bed because your insurance company says you had a pre-existing condition therefore they're not covering anything for you. It happens thousands of times a day. Opposition to healthcare reform are not Nazi's per se, but at least complicit to murder or manslaughter in the abstract. I think that has been repeatedly demonstrated and will repeat itself again and again. I hope you're not one of those "agains".

Psychoblues

[fj1200]

Opposition to healthcare reform are not Nazi's per se, but at least complicit to murder or manslaughter in the abstract.

The private sector is murder now? Let's keep it a little closer to reality please.

[Psychoblues]

The private sector is murder now? Let's keep it a little closer to reality please.

The private sector has their own death panels and they are much more real than any pre-supposed end of life counseling being desired by the professional medical community and for people like me that wants to make for certain that my wishes are made clear and others that don't know how to make their final wishes clear.. The private sector denies health coverage at every opportunity regardless the faithful payments of premiums by their customers/patients. By any other definition that is at least willfull neglect and failure to deliver life-saving care. And so on. I hope to see a lot more litigation from the citizens compelling the insurance companies to end their practises of denial of coverage and encouraging them by threat of financial settlement or even by imprisonment to abide their considerations for their clients.

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

Steve Cohen is the most most decent, honest and Patriotic American I have ever met. When the real death panels of the health insurance bureacracy and republican refusals to address the true issues making themselves death panels only once removed maybe you'll understand when you're laying on your death bed because your insurance company says you had a pre-existing condition therefore they're not covering anything for you. It happens thousands of times a day. Opposition to healthcare reform are not Nazi's per se, but at least complicit to murder or manslaughter in the abstract. I think that has been repeatedly demonstrated and will repeat itself again and again. I hope you're not one of those "agains".

Psychoblues

Why am I NOT surprised YOU support a recent example of the lefts "civility" PB

In fact you really must like Cohen since you have copied his debate style when nailed with facts and direct questions

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[red states rule]

One of the funnier parts of the article is Steve Cohen (D-Tenn). After literally years of his party's fibs over how this socialized-medicine scheme will lower costs and improve health care in the country, NOW he starts complaining about "people who repeat lies over and over, hoping they will become truth". Funny part is, he's trying to aim that at Republicans, whose description of Obamacare as a "government takeover" is much close to the truth than the Democrats' wild ravings.

But he got one part right. People who do that, are indeed on the same levels as Josef Goebbels.

http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/18386_image.jpg

[fj1200]

The private sector has their own death panels and they are much more real than any pre-supposed end of life counseling being desired by the professional medical community and for people like me that wants to make for certain that my wishes are made clear and others that don't know how to make their final wishes clear.. The private sector denies health coverage at every opportunity regardless the faithful payments of premiums by their customers/patients. By any other definition that is at least willfull neglect and failure to deliver life-saving care. And so on. I hope to see a lot more litigation from the citizens compelling the insurance companies to end their practises of denial of coverage and encouraging them by threat of financial settlement or even by imprisonment to abide their considerations for their clients.

Psychoblues

I would think if it were so bad as you suggest there would be massive uprising from those affected. And those issues could have been eased with some minimal regulation to ensure insurance companies live up to their responsibilities, but no an increase in already massive regulations is the order of the day when the government folks come a callin'.

Where is the flood of litigation BTW due to that epidemic? I would rather make my decisions in a private environment subject to my insurance policy than the whims of an all-knowing :rolleyes: regulator.

[red states rule]

The private sector has their own death panels and they are much more real than any pre-supposed end of life counseling being desired by the professional medical community and for people like me that wants to make for certain that my wishes are made clear and others that don't know how to make their final wishes clear.. The private sector denies health coverage at every opportunity regardless the faithful payments of premiums by their customers/patients. By any other definition that is at least willfull neglect and failure to deliver life-saving care. And so on. I hope to see a lot more litigation from the citizens compelling the insurance companies to end their practises of denial of coverage and encouraging them by threat of financial settlement or even by imprisonment to abide their considerations for their clients.

Psychoblues

What are you libs so scared about having an up and down vote in the Senate on the repeal of Obamacare PB?

Perhaps the last thing you guys want is to have a "NO" vote against repeal on the record going into 2012 election? Worried about how many Seante seats you might lose if you have a vote on repeal while the voters are watching?

If Dems are so sure Obamacare is such a great plan, why not defend it in public?