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revelarts
02-11-2011, 08:28 AM
Muslim Brotherhood has been a long time boggie man and more than a few time well deserved. with all the Egyptian issues and general unrest. I'm trying to get a broader picture of what they're about.
A Calipith, a world wide Shria, freedom Muslim sytle?
they have a pretty dark past, with Nazi connections no less, and are a pretty ominous group in general but i wonder how cohesive their goals and members are these days.


From
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/10/don_t_fear_the_brotherhood

talking about Egyptian brotherhood group

....It's not only the regime's apologists who profess to fear the Muslim Brotherhood; I had no trouble finding secular Cairenes (Cairo) who took an equally dim view. The group's slogan is, after all, "Islam is the solution," and the appeal its political leaders make to the rank and file is long on religious orthodoxy. Still, I spent two weeks talking to members of the Brotherhood -- something the secular critics rarely do -- and though I did feel they were putting their best foot forward for a Western journalist, I was struck by their reluctance to impose their views on others and their commitment to democratic process. They had been drawn to the Brotherhood not only by piety but also by the group's reputation for social service and personal probity.

Many of these men were lawyers, doctors, or engineers. But I also spent several evenings with an electrician named Magdy Ashour, who had been elected to parliament from a dismal slum at the furthest edge of Cairo (he's now an independent, after being ousted from the Brotherhood in December). He was at pains to counter what he assumed were my preconceptions. "When people hear the name Muslim Brotherhood, they think of terrorism and suicide bombings," Ashour conceded. "We want to establish the perception of an Islamic group cooperating with other groups, concerned about human rights. We do not want to establish a country like Iran, which thinks that it is ruling with a divine mandate. We want a government based on civil law, with an Islamic source of lawmaking."

And just what is an "Islamic source of lawmaking?" Muhammad Habib, then the Muslim Brotherhood's deputy supreme guide -- its second-ranking official-- explained to me that, under such a system, parliament would seek the advice of religious scholars on issues touching upon religion, though such views could never be binding. A democratically elected parliament, he asserted, would still have the "absolute right" to pass a law the Brotherhood deemed "un-Islamic." And the proper redress for religious objections would be a formal appeal process in the constitutional court.

Maybe they were lying. But I didn't think so. More to the point, the Muslim Brotherhood's then 88-member caucus in the legislature studiously avoided religious issues and worked with secular opposition members on issues of democracy and human rights. They all lived together in a hotel, showed up for work every day, and invited outside experts for policy briefings. It was widely agreed that the Brothers took parliament far more seriously than members of the ruling party ever had. ...

Lay low and take over?
A real possibility.
A sure thing in many folks minds I'm sure.
Much like they socialist state promoters here, get in with democracy and slowly transform the country law by law into a their vision of what it should be. the care taker of the people.

abso
02-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Muslim Brotherhood has been a long time boggie man and more than a few time well deserved. with all the Egyptian issues and general unrest. I'm trying to get a broader picture of what they're about.
A Calipith, a world wide Shria, freedom Muslim sytle?
they have a pretty dark past, with Nazi connections no less, and are a pretty ominous group in general but i wonder how cohesive their goals and members are these days.


From
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/10/don_t_fear_the_brotherhood

talking about Egyptian brotherhood group


Lay low and take over?
A real possibility.
A sure thing in many folks minds I'm sure.
Much like they socialist state promoters here, get in with democracy and slowly transform the country law by law into a their vision of what it should be. the care taker of the people.

nice post..

about what you posted, its true, they don't want to impose their views, i personally know people who belong to them, they are just normal civil people, university professors, engineers, doctors, politicans, businessmen, Imams, and workers, Islamic Brotherhood isn't just formed from Imams, they are just normal people who want to abide by their religion, they are not violent at all, while i don't want them to take the power, but i actually like many of their ideas, i want to see Egypt more religious but not strict, i don't like extremism and i certainly don't want to live under the rule of extremists.

like you, i am not sure what they will do if they took power, their goals are all nice, their words are nice, but i am not sure about the way they will use to implement their ideas, will they be extreme or not, thats the matter and that is what important to me and the normal egyptians in the streets, so i prefer not to take that chance.

i want many things that they promote for, but i dont want them applying it by force or strictly, i dont want that, i dont want a law that compel women to wear Hijab or Burka (Hair\Face cover), i like the hair cover, but i don't like the face cover, but either way i don't want to see my government forcing anything on anyone, and i also dont want a secular government that may put a ban on face cover because i believe that everyone is free to do what he\ wants, and i dont want civil liberties to be bound by any government decision.

i want a free country, with minimum amount of restrictions, which is something that i may not see under the rule of the Islamic brotherhood, they may be sincere in their democratic values, but i just dont have enough trust in them, thats why i have to discard them as a possible choice in the elections.

but finally, i like their values, but i just dont see myself living according to values forced on me, they said that they don't want to force anything on people, but i am not sure that they wont be like Iran or Saudia or Sudan, thats why i prefer them being as consulting institute, not a ruling party, i don't people bound to their decisions, that's all.

fj1200
02-11-2011, 10:30 AM
... i want to see Egypt more religious but not strict...

Just to clarify, you would like to see Egyptians more religious but that the government not impose religion, or religious rules, on the people?

Here's to hoping.

abso
02-11-2011, 10:42 AM
Just to clarify, you would like to see Egyptians more religious but that the government not impose religion, or religious rules, on the people?

Here's to hoping.

yes, i want to see the people more religious, but with no obligation to be so, i want the government just to impose the minimum needed restrictions, no more, no less.

fj1200
02-11-2011, 10:46 AM
That's what I thought. Have you been out in the middle of the protests? What's your take on which way it will all go?

abso
02-11-2011, 11:17 AM
That's what I thought. Have you been out in the middle of the protests? What's your take on which way it will all go?

wait till tomorrow, the president just stepped down 5 minutes ago, so everyone may go home today, tomorrow we will see what will happen then i can predict the way everything will go.

fj1200
02-11-2011, 12:07 PM
... so everyone may go home today...

Go home? 2mm people just got what they wanted, who would go home?

US college kids would burn a car or two, hopefully you guys will be more restrained. :laugh:

abso
02-11-2011, 12:14 PM
Go home? 2mm people just got what they wanted, who would go home?

US college kids would burn a car or two, hopefully you guys will be more restrained. :laugh:

i was saying for tomorrow ;)

but for now, none will go home, i am thinking about going to Tahrir Square, about 1 million people are there now, but the problem is how can i get back, there will be transportation after 8 PM, and its about 5 hours on foot if i want to get back :laugh:, so i will have to stay there till tomorrow when the transportations are back at 6 AM.