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Trinnity
02-11-2011, 07:55 PM
Anyone who looks up to Che Guevara is truly ignorant. Or morally bankrupt and potentially dangerous.

Che was an international terrorist and mass murderer.
A Marxist with a Stalinist style of killing and brutality.
A brutal, soulless, bloodthirsty opportunist, and ultimately a blubbering coward.

Che was fanatical, dogmatic, spiteful, envious, arrogant, proud, a liar, racist, devoid of morals, mercenary and homophobic, a bloodthirsty murderer, “a cold killing machine”, that the fanaticism of the left has turned into a hero. -By Humberto (Bert) Corzo

Yes, he was.


In his early years growing up, he delighted in torturing small animals. Psychologists know that this is a sign of a sociopath, psychopath and sadist.

Carlos Figueroa, a friend of Che's said of him:
“I nicknamed him the Fast Rooster because he was eating in the dining room, and immediately, when the mucama (maid) enter the room he forced her to climb on the table to perform quick sex. After finished he got rid of the poor devil, and continued eating as if nothing had happened…” He used the women of lower social status as sex objects."[1]

He set up Cuba's first labor camp.


“This camp was the precursor to the eventual systematic confinement, starting in 1965 in the province of Camagüey, of dissidents, homosexuals, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Afro-Cuban priests, and other such scum, under the banner of UMAP, Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción, or Military Units to Help Production. Herded into buses and trucks, the “unfit” would be transported at gunpoint into concentration camps organized on the Guanahacabibes mold. Some would never return; others would be raped, beaten, or mutilated; and most would be traumatized for life, as Néstor Almendros's wrenching documentary Improper Conduct showed the world a couple of decades ago.”

Che's homophobia is expressed in the poster placed at the entrance to the forced labor camp, where homosexuals were confined, which read: “The work will make you men”', replica of the slogan “The work will make you free” used in the Nazi concentration camps. It intended to correct the homosexual behavior applying rigorous punishments with the intention of modifying this social deviation, which does not constitute a crime punishable by law.
[2]

He neglected and abandoned his wives and family. No surprise there, since he didn't care about anyone but himself and power/glory.

He personally executed many people without a trial from the fallen Batista regime.
He murdered his own followers for the slightest hint of disloyalty.
He even lined people up behind each other and shot through them to kill more than one person with one bullet.

This man was a very sick individual.

After he fled Cuba, he went to Bolivia and started up the same thing - pursuing violent Marxist revolution.
When the Bolivian police captured him in October 1967, he cried and begged them not to shoot him.

The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Viet Nams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …"— and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracy—a tragedy on the hugest scale.

The present-day cult of Che—the T-shirts, the bars, the posters—has succeeded in obscuring this dreadful reality.
From Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/)


The truth about Che
Posted on December 17th, 2009 by John Crowell

A recovering liberal sees Ernesto “Che” Guevara through different eyes. For those who think Guevara is a hero, or are ambivalent to the potent threat of communism or the ubiquitous pictures of this murderer, you need to read this.

Here’s a list of just a few of the humanitarian acts performed or sanctioned by the Left’s favorite pinup:

* Killed dogs for sport as a child – a common trait in psychopaths
* Imprisoned, forced into hard labor and tortured countless Cubans he considered enemies – including artists, dissidents, homosexuals and those in the wrong place at the wrong time
* Ordered and/or presided over the summary executions of scores of suspected enemies, including pregnant women
* Brutally murdered a teenage boy whose only crime was trying to prevent Che’s henchmen from killing his father

But facts matter little in a world where image is everything. This explains why it’s Che on college walls and articles of clothing and not his revolutionary compadre, Fidel Castro. Che was a babe, with flashing eyes, an aquiline nose, and lips made for making out (if one didn’t mind all the torture and murder) Fidel, on the other hand, while a fiery speaker and brilliant strategist, lacked Che’s physical beauty and movie star charisma. Plus Che was dead, and as the result of a phony, public relations-generated resume that turned him into a symbol of gone-too-soon youthful idealism, was something Castro could never be: a martyr. Like James Dean, the ultimate dead movie star, Che is frozen beautifully in time.

Before you dismiss this as irrelevant and yesterday’s news, America elected a lot of people in 2008 who have appointed many more people to key government posts who admire Guevara and believe as he did about socialism and communism.


Over 100 documented persons personally murdered by Che (http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth%20and%20memory/victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf)


footnotes:
1,2
Che Guevara (http://www.futurodecuba.org/che_guevara.htm)

Links to some more info about Che:

The Story of the Armored Train (http://trenblindado.com/Story.html)
Che Guevara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara)

abso
02-11-2011, 08:25 PM
was he a muslim ?

Trinnity
02-11-2011, 08:27 PM
was he a muslim ?He was an Argentinian from a wealthy family. Well educated. Evil to the core.

abso
02-11-2011, 08:28 PM
He was an Argentinian from a wealthy family. Well educated. Evil to the core.

but still you didn't answer my question, was he a muslim ?

Trinnity
02-11-2011, 08:39 PM
but still you didn't answer my question, was he a muslim ?I did answer. If you want a specific answer because you're playing handball here, then why bother? I don't do the gotcha stuff.


It's a stupid question. What's your point.

You obviously have a snarky smartass something or other in mind....get to it.

sundaydriver
02-11-2011, 08:56 PM
He imprisoned Jehova witnesses...How bad could he have been?

darin
02-11-2011, 08:58 PM
Does any of that really matter though? I mean -anything in the OP?

Trinnity
02-11-2011, 09:07 PM
Does any of that really matter though? I mean -anything in the OP?Yes. History always matters. We learn from it.

darin
02-11-2011, 09:08 PM
But I don't learn from Guevara...does anybody?

Mr. P
02-11-2011, 09:23 PM
But I don't learn from Guevara...does anybody?
Sure, his followers as pointed out in the OP. It's important stuff D.

darin
02-11-2011, 09:26 PM
Not to me, particularly.

Trinnity
02-11-2011, 09:42 PM
But I don't learn from Guevara...does anybody?There's a lot to be learned from this.
Ask yourself what kind or person is drawn to Marxism.

What does socialism, Marxism, and communism do to an economy?

To individual rights? To liberty?

darin
02-11-2011, 09:58 PM
maybe I don't care? I have never studied the mayans, yet I promise I'll never sacrifice another human to a 'god'. (shrug)

abso
02-12-2011, 04:17 AM
I did answer. If you want a specific answer because you're playing handball here, then why bother? I don't do the gotcha stuff.


It's a stupid question. What's your point.

You obviously have a snarky smartass something or other in mind....get to it.

no you didn't answer my question at all, was asking a simple yes or no question, while you gave me some info i already knew, i have read books about him and i think i know enough about him.

all i was trying to do is to prove a point, you could have helped me and answered a simple answer, you could have said no he is not a muslim, then you could have asked me about my point, that would have been alot easier and respectful.

Trinnity
02-12-2011, 10:37 AM
maybe I don't care? I have never studied the mayans, yet I promise I'll never sacrifice another human to a 'god'. (shrug)If you don't care, you're cheating yourself of knowledge and wisdom.

AND if you don't care, move on and don't visit this thread.


no you didn't answer my question at all, was asking a simple yes or no question, while you gave me some info i already knew, i have read books about him and i think i know enough about him.

all i was trying to do is to prove a point, you could have helped me and answered a simple answer, you could have said no he is not a muslim, then you could have asked me about my point, that would have been alot easier and respectful.OF COURSE he was NOT a Muslim.

What IS your point, other than to be pedantic?

Gaffer
02-12-2011, 11:12 AM
The point of the OP is that many liberals, including whitehouse staff and advisers, consider this man a hero. Remember the che posters in the election headquarters of the dark lord. They idolize this murder.

darin
02-12-2011, 04:47 PM
If you don't care, you're cheating yourself of knowledge and wisdom.

AND if you don't care, move on and don't visit this thread.



What wisdom am I not gaining?

fj1200
02-12-2011, 05:19 PM
What wisdom am I not gaining?

That not watching the Motorcycle Diaries will save you 2 hours of your life watching Marxist propaganda.

abso
02-12-2011, 05:23 PM
If you don't care, you're cheating yourself of knowledge and wisdom.

AND if you don't care, move on and don't visit this thread.

OF COURSE he was NOT a Muslim.

What IS your point, other than to be pedantic?

my whole point is that he is not a muslim, thats all, my point is not intended for you, its for others, not you, thanks for your answer.

Best Regards, wish you a nice day.

Trinnity
02-13-2011, 09:21 AM
What wisdom am I not gaining?You're a pest. I'm done with you.


The point of the OP is that many liberals, including whitehouse staff and advisers, consider this man a hero. Remember the che posters in the election headquarters of the dark lord. They idolize this murder.Really? I didn't know about that.
I'm gonna go look for some info on it.....

darin
02-13-2011, 10:03 AM
You're a pest. I'm done with you.


How old are you? I get the impression if people don't validate what you post as 'important', you get kinda bitchy.

OldMercsRule
02-13-2011, 11:23 AM
Methinks Trin is providing a needed service to those who worship Che without much thought, (there are a lot of those in America today), or those who vote fer those who embrace Che's "ends justify the means" way of doin' bidness.

Some will read n' reflect others will obfuscate n' play games.... :laugh2:

I think she is doin' a wonderful service, butt: I am limited by one functional brain cell...... :salute:


Me overpriced $.02. JR

darin
02-13-2011, 11:30 AM
Thanks old mercs - can I get a gift-receipt with your advice?

:D

Perhaps we should create a forum for 'obscure leaders of the past'?

Gaffer
02-13-2011, 12:39 PM
Thanks old mercs - can I get a gift-receipt with your advice?

:D

Perhaps we should create a forum for 'obscure leaders of the past'?

Who are idolized by present day liberals.

And che is hardly obscure.

OldMercsRule
02-13-2011, 01:44 PM
Thanks old mercs - can I get a gift-receipt with your advice?

Yup.

:D


Perhaps we should create a forum for 'obscure leaders of the past'?

No need there...... :rolleyes:.........maybe yer not aware how many fruit loops wear t-shirts n' really luv Che: eh? :rolleyes:

Chairman Mao, n' Uncle Joe Stalin, (the other heros of Progressive/Liberal termites), are a bit better known. That is why Trin is providin' a great service fer this particular political forum. We do debate politics here from time to time............no?

Respectfully, JR

darin
02-13-2011, 02:48 PM
I guess I just don't care about those folks.

SassyLady
02-13-2011, 10:18 PM
Not to me, particularly.

It should be dmp.....the young kids of today are starting to use him as some type of revolutionary hero. They are not told of his dark side, only that he is a revolutionary.

If you are informed then you will be able to counteract anyone who you run into who might think Che is someone to model.

However, being on a military base, you might not come into contact with a lot of people intent on revolution.

The liberal left are trying to "rewrite" Che's biography and leaving out all the sadistic stuff he did.....kinda like people who still idolize Saddam Hussein.

darin
02-14-2011, 07:58 AM
Hrm...Maybe i'm in a bubble, but there isn't much here that should surprise anyone; I always thought he was a doof/commie/whatever. I think it's stupid to idolize anyone, I suppose - and I guess I project that; I assume there aren't real people who do that sorta figure-worship...course, then I'm reminded of Obama and his drones...Aight then.

fj1200
02-14-2011, 08:06 AM
I always thought he was a doof/commie/whatever.

And now you know why. :cool:

darin
02-14-2011, 08:31 AM
And now you know why. :cool:

not exactly - now I see somebody trying a little bit, to scare us. Most obama supports I know aren't wise enough to even care about similarities between anyone and their precious savior. I don't care about those people.

Little-Acorn
02-14-2011, 12:21 PM
But look at all the T-shirts he sold. :thumb:

jimnyc
02-14-2011, 12:57 PM
my whole point is that he is not a muslim, thats all, my point is not intended for you, its for others, not you, thanks for your answer.

Best Regards, wish you a nice day.

I'm curious as to why you wanted this answered so badly when you knew the answer already. Not being disrespectful, just trying to understand your point here.

abso
02-14-2011, 01:52 PM
I'm curious as to why you wanted this answered so badly when you knew the answer already. Not being disrespectful, just trying to understand your point here.


firstly, welcome back, haven't seen you posting in a long time, hope that you are ok.

yes i knew the answer already, and i think that you already know my point too, so why are you asking about it jim ? ;)

SassyLady
02-15-2011, 03:57 AM
I'm curious as to why you wanted this answered so badly when you knew the answer already. Not being disrespectful, just trying to understand your point here.

Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims.

However, Abso, the more Islam spreads throughout the world the larger the percentage of modern day terrorists are Muslims....so your point is moot.

Trinnity
02-15-2011, 09:42 AM
Hrm...Maybe i'm in a bubble, but there isn't much here that should surprise anyone; I always thought he was a doof/commie/whatever. I think it's stupid to idolize anyone, I suppose - and I guess I project that; I assume there aren't real people who do that sorta figure-worship...course, then I'm reminded of Obama and his drones...Aight then.


not exactly - now I see somebody trying a little bit, to scare us. Most obama supports I know aren't wise enough to even care about similarities between anyone and their precious savior. I don't care about those people.THIS ^ reservoir of common willful ignorance, is why it matters.

If you value your liberty, and the fiscal survival of this nation, it's important for people to really SEE what this admin is all about. It's about big govt control. It's NOT about your liberty and your prosperity. Obama and his supporters are all about the Marxist revolution. Sometimes they don't even bother to hide it:


Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915&only&rss)

Charles Johnson
Mon Feb 11, 2008

Barack Obama won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office: a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara. (Click picture for video.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston.jpg



UPDATE at 2/11/08 9:00:00 pm:

And that flag is no fluke. Here’s another one. (Click picture for video, as again the Houston news anchors don’t even notice the big image of Che Guevara staring them in the face.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston2.jpg



February 12, 2008
Obama Workers' Che Guevara Poster Was No Fluke (http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/02/obama_workers_c.html)

The Che Guevara flag discovered yesterday on the wall of Obama campaign workers is no fluke.
Here's another one. (<--that link has now changed to newer news stories, but apparently there was yet another pic at another HQ)

Equivalents would be Heinrich Himmler's face on a Nazi flag, Felix Dzerzhinsky on a Soviet flag or Honcho Nuon Chea on the flag of the Khmer Rouge's Cambodia. None of these socialist sociopaths was more aggressively evil than Guevara. Humberto Fontova documents some of the dark deeds of Fidel Castro's chief executioner.

Yet the mainstream media doesn't seem to find this worth mentioning.

NO. Because the MSM was too busy getting their "ultra-liberal" messiah elected to properly vet him. Or maybe, just maybe, many in the MSM are closet Marxists too.

Ya Think?

darin
02-15-2011, 10:35 AM
THIS ^ reservoir of common willful ignorance, is why it matters.

If you value your liberty, and the fiscal survival of this nation, it's important for people to really SEE what this admin is all about. It's about big govt control. It's NOT about your liberty and your prosperity. Obama and his supporters are all about the Marxist revolution. Sometimes they don't even bother to hide it:






NO. Because the MSM was too busy getting their "ultra-liberal" messiah elected to properly vet him. Or maybe, just maybe, many in the MSM are closet Marxists too.

Ya Think?

Do you really think you are smarter or wiser than me? I think I have you figured out. You're a reactionist type poster. That's why you copy and paste, word-for-word the same 'OMG IMPORTANT!!111!' posts in multiple forums. I don't share your alarm so now I'm somehow 'ignorant'. You commit the logical fallacy of false dilemma, among others. You are not as complex as you may think.

For the record, I agree with your suspicions of many of the media - but I don't believe they are CLOSET marxists...they flaunt it.

Trinnity
02-15-2011, 02:19 PM
Do you really think you are smarter or wiser than me? I think I have you figured out. You're a reactionist type poster. That's why you copy and paste, word-for-word the same 'OMG IMPORTANT!!111!' posts in multiple forums. I don't share your alarm so now I'm somehow 'ignorant'. You commit the logical fallacy of false dilemma, among others. You are not as complex as you may think.

For the record, I agree with your suspicions of many of the media - but I don't believe they are CLOSET marxists...they flaunt it.I don't think about you at all. This is not about you; you simply provided an example for why it matters that people know about Che and the Marxist influence in the current admin.

You're right that the media contains lotsa Marxists.

darin
02-15-2011, 03:14 PM
Don't confuse arrogance with confidence miss.

jimnyc
02-15-2011, 04:36 PM
firstly, welcome back, haven't seen you posting in a long time, hope that you are ok.

yes i knew the answer already, and i think that you already know my point too, so why are you asking about it jim ? ;)

I'm doing well, thank you. And no, I honestly had no idea why you asked, hence me asking.


Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims.

However, Abso, the more Islam spreads throughout the world the larger the percentage of modern day terrorists are Muslims....so your point is moot.

Sure, there are lots of scum out there that can give muslim terrorists a run for their money, and obviously many in the past. But I'm more concerned about today, and one of the worlds largest problems currently is terrorism - and I'll give you just one guess who currently has the corner marketed on those actions.