Great video explaining energy and peak consumption of non-renewables--M King Hubbert

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Excellent explanation of Peak Oil by the man who coined the phrase.

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This guy made me laugh after a light bit of "peak oil debunked (http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/)" googling.

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This guy made me laugh after a light bit of "peak oil debunked (http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/)" googling.

without even seeing it I'm betting oil on Jesus! am i right?

[fj1200]

without even seeing it I'm betting oil on Jesus! am i right?

Jesus didn't come up. :confused: But I didn't watch your video so it's OK that you didn't click my link. :laugh:

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Jesus didn't come up. :confused: But I didn't watch your video so it's OK that you didn't click my link. :laugh:

I'll watch your vid, sorry i ddiscounted your link. but this was I had referred to, it's priceless!
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Edit: Shoutout for Bakersfield, CA!!!

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This guy made me laugh after a light bit of "peak oil debunked (http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/)" googling.

Hmm. intriguing. I've always been under the assumption that delivering food locally was more efficient than importing. i recognize, of course, such paradigms are subject to adjustment! The premise that food in bulk outweighs the locality of source is subject to the density of demand; to which urban vs suburban demand is subject. Recoginizing this source critique, I realize such risk, as I live in a suburban plot. i grow my own vegetables and fruits, thereby undermining the demand. However i don't concern myself with local cometition, only mutually beneficial exchange.

[fj1200]

Hmm. intriguing. I've always been under the assumption that delivering food locally was more efficient than importing. i recognize, of course, such paradigms are subject to adjustment! The premise that food in bulk outweighs the locality of source is subject to the density of demand; to which urban vs suburban demand is subject. Recoginizing this source critique, I realize such risk, as I live in a suburban plot. i grow my own vegetables and fruits, thereby undermining the demand. However i don't concern myself with local cometition, only mutually beneficial exchange.

I'll have to watch that video later, no speakers on the desktop. My interwebs suck for video anyway.

Good for you on growing your own my brother does the same up in Seattle, bad year for tomatoes apparently. The link was interesting because of it's efforts to debunk the conventional, did you read about the ones who went rural to avoid using gas? :laugh:

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I'll have to watch that video later, no speakers on the desktop. My interwebs suck for video anyway.

Good for you on growing your own my brother does the same up in Seattle, bad year for tomatoes apparently. The link was interesting because of it's efforts to debunk the conventional, did you read about the ones who went rural to avoid using gas? :laugh:

Just read it. He had quite a few exceptions to the rule though. Its really about resource efficiency. I understand there's a need for gas, but much of our society doesn't abide by resource efficiency, just fiscal. I live walking distance to a store, so I walk. I could drive, it wouldn't cost me that much in fuel, buts its not the most efficient use.

Bummer bro's tomatoes are poor. Its been a cool spring in central cal too. Tomatos need heat. It'll come here sure as rain in Seattle. Hard to beat central CA weather for growing crops, water's the only limitation. Its funny, if I go to the store in late summer they have a bunch of produce from mexico, because local growers can get better prices exporting rather than selling locally. It''s like working at business building widgets you'll never afford. Reminds me of Cash's "One piece at a time"

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Just read it. He had quite a few exceptions to the rule though. Its really about resource efficiency. I understand there's a need for gas, but much of our society doesn't abide by resource efficiency, just fiscal. I live walking distance to a store, so I walk. I could drive, it wouldn't cost me that much in fuel, buts its not the most efficient use.

Hmm, I'd say the market sets the price and is the most efficient means to allocate resources so resource efficiency is built into the price.

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Hmm, I'd say the market sets the price and is the most efficient means to allocate resources so resource efficiency is built into the price.

In a truly free-market with the most-perfect info, sure -- if only that were the case. Economics make sense, politics- not so much. They build bubbles to lessen the natural market shifts. It works but you get resource deflation, depriving the market of the actual resource value. The market behaves based on the info, right? But if the information is amiss the market tries to correct itself, which it will-- unless govt just throws more fiat currency into the mix because people want the amentities provided by cheaper energy. At some point digging the hole we have to realize the dirt isn't leaving the hole, its just on the sides waiting to fall back to the bottom.

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In a truly free-market with the most-perfect info, sure -- if only that were the case. Economics make sense, politics- not so much. They build bubbles to lessen the natural market shifts. It works but you get resource deflation, depriving the market of the actual resource value. The market behaves based on the info, right? But if the information is amiss the market tries to correct itself, which it will-- unless govt just throws more fiat currency into the mix because people want the amentities provided by cheaper energy. At some point digging the hole we have to realize the dirt isn't leaving the hole, its just on the sides waiting to fall back to the bottom.

I generally think that the market has the information correct and it reacts based on the misinformation, read subsidies, etc., that government interjects. I think you're mixing a lack of transparency and subsidies.

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I generally think that the market has the information correct and it reacts based on the misinformation, read subsidies, etc., that government interjects. I think you're mixing a lack of transparency and subsidies.

maybe. I think we're arguing about an ignorance neither you nor I have. :beer: