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revelarts
05-03-2011, 06:12 PM
http://www.military.com/news/article/not-everyone-believes-bin-laden-is-really-dead.html?ESRC=eb.nl



May 03, 2011
Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Knowing there would be disbelievers, the U.S. says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and after the firefight that killed him. But the mystique that surrounded the terrorist chieftain in life is persisting in death.

Was it really him? How do we know? Where are the pictures?

Already, those questions are spreading in Pakistan and surely beyond. In the absence of photos and with his body given up to the sea, many people don't believe bin Laden -- the Great Emir to some, the fabled escape artist of the Tora Bora mountains to foe and friend alike -- is really dead.

U.S. officials are balancing that skepticism with the sensitivities that might be inflamed by showing images they say they have of the dead al-Qaida leader and video of his burial at sea. Still, it appeared likely that photographic evidence would be produced.

"We are going to do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis to try to deny that we got Osama bin Laden," John Brennan, President Obama's counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. He said the U.S. will "share what we can because we want to make sure that not only the American people but the world understand exactly what happened."

In July 2003, the U.S. took heat but also quieted most conspiracy theorists by releasing graphic photos of the corpses of Saddam Hussein's two powerful sons to prove American forces had killed them.

So far, the U.S. has cited evidence that satisfied the Navy SEAL force, and at least most of the world, that they had the right man in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

The helicopter-borne raiding squad that swarmed the luxury compound identified bin Laden by appearance. A woman in the compound who was identified as his wife was said to have called out bin Laden's name in the melee.

Officials produced a quick DNA match from his remains that they said established bin Laden's identity, even absent the other techniques, with 99.9 percent certainty. U.S. officials also said bin Laden was identified through photo comparisons and other methods.

Tellingly, an al-Qaida spokesman, in vowing vengeance against America, called him a martyr, offering no challenge to the U.S. account of his death.

Even so, it's almost inevitable that the bin Laden mythology will not end with the bullet in his head. If it suits extremist ends to spin a fantastical tale of survival or trickery to gullible ears, expect to hear it.

In the immediate aftermath, people in Abbottabad expressed widespread disbelief that bin Laden had died -- or ever lived -- among them.

"I'm not ready to buy bin Laden was here," said Haris Rasheed, 22, who works in a fast food restaurant. "How come no one knew he was here and why did they bury him so quickly? This is all fake -- a drama, and a crude one."

Kamal Khan, 25, who is unemployed, said the official story "looks fishy to me."

The burial from an aircraft carrier in the North Arabian Sea was videotaped aboard the ship, according to a senior defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity because a decision on whether to release the video was not final. The official said it was highly likely that the video, along with photographs of bin Laden's body, would be made public in coming days.

The swiftness of the burial may have raised suspicions but was in accord with Islamic traditions. Islamic scholars, however, challenged U.S. assertions that a burial at sea was an appropriate fate for a Muslim who had died on land.

The act denied al-Qaida any sort of burial shrine for their slain leader. Once again, bin Laden had vanished, but this time at the hands of the United States and in a way that ensures he is gone forever....

the comments at the Military.com site are very interesting

red states rule
05-03-2011, 06:19 PM
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and I guarantee you if the government releases the dead pics of OBL, the same people will bitch how OBL is being hulilated, and disrespected

Just like they did when the video of Saddam was being checked over by a doctor

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Noir
05-03-2011, 09:10 PM
If he wasn't dead -which he is- then he would release a video asap laughing at the Americans for saying they had killed him an urging his follower to attack etc. That video will never come.

red states rule
05-03-2011, 09:15 PM
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fj1200
05-04-2011, 08:29 AM
If he wasn't dead -which he is- then he would release a video asap laughing at the Americans for saying they had killed him an urging his follower to attack etc. That video will never come.

Troof.

revelarts
05-05-2011, 12:45 AM
Obama's not doing himself any favors by not showing more evidence.

Too many people from Missouri around the world.

I know everyone here thinks it's insane to think an American President or the U.S. gov't would ever lie. or create hoaxes out of whole cloth. --CoughWMDSCough-- But there are plenty of people around the world that take that position as the default.

He's allowing a victory to become questioned here for no reason.

red states rule
05-05-2011, 04:12 AM
Obama's not doing himself any favors by not showing more evidence.

Too many people from Missouri around the world.

I know everyone here thinks it's insane to think an American President or the U.S. gov't would ever lie. or create hoaxes out of whole cloth. --CoughWMDSCough-- But there are plenty of people around the world that take that position as the default.

He's allowing a victory to become questioned here for no reason.

Obama is in campaign mode and is trying to raise his sagging poll numbers Rev

He is trying to make nice to those on the peacenik left who are already pissed off he is continuing many of Bush's war on terror policies