Ryan 40: Obama 0

[avatar4321]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/268152/ryan-40-obama-0-andrew-stiles

Big news is Ryans budget was voted down in the Senate. he managed to get 40 votes.

Conveniently ignored by most of the media, Obama's budget gets demolished in the Senate. He doesn't get a single solitary vote. 97 to 0. His party didnt even support his budget.

Shocking isnt it?

[maineman]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/268152/ryan-40-obama-0-andrew-stiles

Big news is Ryans budget was voted down in the Senate. he managed to get 40 votes.

Conveniently ignored by most of the media, Obama's budget gets demolished in the Senate. He doesn't get a single solitary vote. 97 to 0. His party didnt even support his budget.

Shocking isnt it?

Q: how many senators are fretting tonight that their vote on Obama's budget might come back to haunt them during the next election?

A: 0

Q: how many senators are fretting tonight that their votes on Ryan's budget might come back to haunt them during the next election?

A: 40
:laugh2:

[Missileman]

Q: how many senators are fretting tonight that their vote on Obama's budget might come back to haunt them during the next election?

A: 0

Q: how many senators are fretting tonight that their votes on Ryan's budget might come back to haunt them during the next election?

A: 40
:laugh2:

The correct answer is 60

[red states rule]

Q: how many senators are fretting tonight that their vote on Obama's budget might come back to haunt them during the next election?

A: 0

Q: how many senators are fretting tonight that their votes on Ryan's budget might come back to haunt them during the next election?

A: 40
:laugh2:

Some things NEVER change

One undeniable truth is the only concern of liberals like MM regardless of the issue is how the end result harms/benfits the Democrat party

The fact Medicare is going broke is irrelevant and is never a consideration

[avatar4321]

The Democrats are so cowardly they cant support their own President's budget. Sounds like they should be concerned.

[red states rule]

The Democrats are so cowardly they cant support their own President's budget. Sounds like they should be concerned.

and the libral media are doing there part to support Obama and the Dems (as usual)

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[maineman]

YOu don't think that the Ryan Budget is toxic?

New York 26

and now we have 40 GOP senators with it hanging around their necks.

lovely. just lovely.
:laugh:

[red states rule]

YOu don't think that the Ryan Budget is toxic?

New York 26

and now we have 40 GOP senators with it hanging around their necks.

lovely. just lovely.
:laugh:

As I said all that matters to you is how is hepls.hurts the Dm party

It is still party over country with you

Always has been and always will be

[maineman]

As I said all that matters to you is how is hepls.hurts the Dm party

It is still party over country with you

Always has been and always will be

said the pot with the can of black spray paint!
:laugh2:

[red states rule]

said the pot with the can of black spray paint!
:laugh2:

I see your debate skills have NOT improved despite all the time you had off to work on them

[avatar4321]

YOu don't think that the Ryan Budget is toxic?

New York 26

and now we have 40 GOP senators with it hanging around their necks.

lovely. just lovely.
:laugh:

NY 26 has nothing to do with the Ryan Budget.

[red states rule]

NY 26 has nothing to do with the Ryan Budget.

It had everything to do with a guy who ran as a Dem three times - now he ran as a Tea Party candidate - and 9% of the voters fell for it

[maineman]

I see your debate skills have NOT improved despite all the time you had off to work on them

look. As I have said all along, politics is a team sport. you vote a team into power and they are on offense, and the other team is on defense. the things that the republican party wants to accomplish are things that I happen to deeply believe are BAD for America. That is my belief. I happen to believe that the democratic party has a better idea for our country. you disagree. I understand that. I have always understood that. You are a partisan republican who believes that anything a republican does is better than anything a democrat might have done in similar circumstances given the chance. I understand that as well. I also understand that you will try to make this about personalities and not about issues, because you hope to provoke an altercation that will cause you dear friend the board owner, to ban me once again... and I am going to do my best to stick to issues and avoid personal issues for that very reason.

I love my country. I served her long and well... I could give a rat's ass whether you believe that or not. I know it's true and everyone who knows me knows it's true.

Like I said... Ryan's budget is toxic. seniors HATE it... and, from what I have heard, staffers at the RNC were telling Ryan that before he passed it in the house, but he didn't listen. oops.

Reid is wise to get 40 GOP senators to vote for it. a smart move... that is a fact.

[avatar4321]

Not to mention a Republican resigning and another Republican taking it for granted that the seat was going to stay Republican.

[avatar4321]

look. As I have said all along, politics is a team sport. you vote a team into power and they are on offense, and the other team is on defense. the things that the republican party wants to accomplish are things that I happen to deeply believe are BAD for America. That is my belief. I happen to believe that the democratic party has a better idea for our country. you disagree. I understand that. I have always understood that. You are a partisan republican who believes that anything a republican does is better than anything a democrat might have done in similar circumstances given the chance. I understand that as well. I also understand that you will try to make this about personalities and not about issues, because you hope to provoke an altercation that will cause you dear friend the board owner, to ban me once again... and I am going to do my best to stick to issues and avoid personal issues for that very reason.

I love my country. I served her long and well... I could give a rat's ass whether you believe that or not. I know it's true and everyone who knows me knows it's true.

Like I said... Ryan's budget is toxic. seniors HATE it... and, from what I have heard, staffers at the RNC were telling Ryan that before he passed it in the house, but he didn't listen. oops.

Reid is wise to get 40 GOP senators to vote for it. a smart move... that is a fact.

Seniors have no reason to hate it, it doesnt effect them.

[avatar4321]

The fact is Ryan's budget doesn't go far enough. We shouldnt have to wait years for the budget to be balanced. We took in over 2.2 Trillion. There is no reason we can't run a federal government for that much.

[red states rule]

Seniors have no reason to hate it, it doesnt effect them.

Correct, see post #6

But those who worship at the alter of Liberalism and Obama will ignore those facts

[maineman]

NY 26 has nothing to do with the Ryan Budget.

exit polls say otherwise. but hey... if you guys want to keep on supporting it, I say, go for it. that's great. a few GOP senators have figured out it is a buzzkill... like the two gals from MY state... but if the rest of you want to keep on waving the flag for it, don't let me stop you.

[maineman]

Seniors have no reason to hate it, it doesnt effect them.

but yet... they do.

go figure.:dance:

[red states rule]

exit polls say otherwise. but hey... if you guys want to keep on supporting it, I say, go for it. that's great. a few GOP senators have figured out it is a buzzkill... like the two gals from MY state... but if the rest of you want to keep on waving the flag for it, don't let me stop you.

Again, you do not are Medicare is going broke and that entitlements are killing the budget

Only how it helps.hurts your party

Even Bill Clinton sides with Ryan and said Dems need to do something about Medicare

[maineman]

Again, you do not are Medicare is going broke and that entitlements are killing the budget

Only how it helps.hurts your party

Even Bill Clinton sides with Ryan and said Dems need to do something about Medicare

a false conclusion. I care very much about entitlements and how we need to restructure them. I simply think that Ryan tried to use his majority in the house to ram something through that did not have bipartisan support and he went too far. oops. now 40 senators have to own it too. double oops.

[red states rule]

Dems plan on Medicare as told by one of Obama's reelection staff members

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[red states rule]

It is refreshing to hear a liberal speak the truth. It happens so often one has to praise it





"It was a victory for socialism," TIME's Joe Klein said of last night's election result in NY-26. A Democrat won a special election to fill a vacancy in the U.S. House from a very conservative district in New York.

For the last two years, Republicans have been lambasting Barack Obama who is right in the middle of the political spectrum, a mild liberal, as being a wild-eyed socialist. Well, there ain't anything that he has proposed that is purely socialistic as our Medicare program; a single payer program run by the government. And the folks love it," Klein also said.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/joe-klein/2011/05/25/joe-klein-ny-26-was-victory-socialism#ixzz1NQu1jz00

[red states rule]

a false conclusion. I care very much about entitlements and how we need to restructure them. I simply think that Ryan tried to use his majority in the house to ram something through that did not have bipartisan support and he went too far. oops. now 40 senators have to own it too. double oops.

Did you feel the same way about Obamacare?

[Missileman]

a false conclusion. I care very much about entitlements and how we need to restructure them. I simply think that Ryan tried to use his majority in the house to ram something through that did not have bipartisan support and he went too far. oops. now 40 senators have to own it too. double oops.

When one side refuses to cut spending in any way and is only offering more taxes as a bandaid on a mortal wound, the time for bipartisanship is over. In a hostage situation, no one expects the police to adopt the ideas of the lunatic holding the gun to the old lady's head.

[maineman]

Did you feel the same way about Obamacare?

health care reform may very well have been a bridge too far. the republicans obviously made us pay in the midterms... they should expect to have this budget similarly used against them....

doesn't that seem fair? :laugh2:

[red states rule]

When one side refuses to cut spending in any way and is only offering more taxes as a bandaid on a mortal wound, the time for bipartisanship is over. In a hostage situation, no one expects the police to adopt the ideas of the lunatic holding the gun to the old lady's head.

Dems have had several chances to cut spending and gave the voters the brush off

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?31180-On-Spending-Cuts-Democrats-Give-Voters-the-Brush-Off

[maineman]

When one side refuses to cut spending in any way and is only offering more taxes as a bandaid on a mortal wound, the time for bipartisanship is over. In a hostage situation, no one expects the police to adopt the ideas of the lunatic holding the gun to the old lady's head.

it is a false statement to suggest that the democrats refuse to cut spending in any way.

[red states rule]

health care reform may very well have been a bridge too far. the republicans obviously made us pay in the midterms... they should expect to have this budget similarly used against them....

doesn't that seem fair? :laugh2:

As usual you did not answer the question and I remeber you being happy over Dems ramming it thru without bipartisan support

As far as 2012, the election will be on the economy and Pres Botch's record

[Missileman]

it is a false statement to suggest that the democrats refuse to cut spending in any way.

Haul out their budget proposal and prove me wrong...oh wait...they haven't put one forth in over 2 years.

[red states rule]

Haul out their budget proposal and prove me wrong...oh wait...they haven't put one forth in over 2 years.

and Dems refuse to release their budget





"Let’s see it,” a frustrated Sen. Jeff Sessions said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon. “Let’s bring it forward.”

By “it,” Sessions meant a Democratic proposal for a 2012 federal budget. In recent days Sessions, the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, has been asking, pushing, pleading, cajoling and begging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to put forward a Democratic plan. So far, Reid has steadfastly refused.

That’s nothing new. The last time the Senate passed a budget was April 29, 2009, which was, if you are counting — and Jeff Sessions is — 755 days ago.

Passing a yearly budget for the federal government is a fundamental responsibility of Congress. Lawmakers do not have to spend their time naming post offices or passing health care reform. But they do have to pass a budget. In 2010, neither the House nor the Senate did so. It’s not that members just didn’t get around to it, which would have been scandalous enough. No, Reid and then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi feared that passing a budget would hurt their chances in the November midterm elections. So they did nothing and took a beating at the polls anyway.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/05/dems-breathtaking-refusal-pass-budget#ixzz1NSbFFaq9

[maineman]

As usual you did not answer the question and I remeber you being happy over Dems ramming it thru without bipartisan support

As far as 2012, the election will be on the economy and Pres Botch's record

I did answer the question. And I WAS happy with healthcare reform, and unhappy about the 2010 elections. You should be prepared to be happy about Ryan's budget and unhappy about how the people view it and react to it in 2012.

[red states rule]

I did answer the question. And I WAS happy with healthcare reform, and unhappy about the 2010 elections. You should be prepared to be happy about Ryan's budget and unhappy about how the people view it and react to it in 2012.

As I said you were happy when Dems ram thru stuff with bipartisan support but not when the other side does it

Typcial, very typical of your long list of double standards

Again, 2012 will be on the economy and Obama's record. Reasons for you to panic and the rest of us to celebrate

[maineman]

As I said you were happy when Dems ram thru stuff with bipartisan support but not when the other side does it

Typcial, very typical of your long list of double standards

Again, 2012 will be on the economy and Obama's record. Reasons for you to panic and the rest of us to celebrate


gosh... did I MISS you complaining about Ryan's budget being rammed through without bipartisan support?

give me a link to such a complaint of yours if you please.

2012 WILL be about the economy and it will be about medicare and it will be about foreign policy... and it will be about people choosing between Obama and whoever wins your party's nomination.

[red states rule]

gosh... did I MISS you complaining about Ryan's budget being rammed through without bipartisan support?

give me a link to such a complaint of yours if you please.

2012 WILL be about the economy and it will be about medicare and it will be about foreign policy... and it will be about people choosing between Obama and whoever wins your party's nomination.

The economy will be the #1 issue and after Obama's "change" he will have alot of splaining to do

Got this in an email and it tells you all you need to know about the chnage Obama has brought down on all of us


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$1.83

$3.104

69.6%

1
Crude oil, European Brent (barrel)

$43.48

$99.02

127.7%

2
Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)

$38.74

$91.38

135.9%

2
Gold: London (per troy oz.)

$853.25

$1,369.50

60.5%

2
Corn, No.2 yellow, Central IL

$3.56

$6.33

78.1%

2
Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL

$9.66

$13.75

42.3%

2
Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb. fob

$13.37

$35.39

164.7%

2
Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall

7.6%

9.4%

23.7%

3
Unemployment rate, blacks

12.6%

15.8%

25.4%

3
Number of unemployed

11,616,000

14,485,000

24.7%

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Number of fed. employees, ex. military (curr = 12/10 prelim)

2,779,000

2,840,000

2.2%

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$50,112

$49,777

-0.7%

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Number of food stamp recipients (curr = 10/10)

31,983,716

43,200,878

35.1%

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7,526,598

9,193,838

22.2%

6
Number of long-term unemployed

2,600,000

6,400,000

146.2%

3
Poverty rate, individuals (2008 v 2009)

13.2%

14.3%

8.3%

4
People in poverty in U.S. (2008 v 2009)

39,800,000

43,600,000

9.5%

4
U.S. rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings

5

9

n/a

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Present Situation Index (curr = 12/10)

29.9

23.5

-21.4%

11
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140

164

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89.76

82.03

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U.S. money supply, M1, in billions (curr = 12/10 prelim)

1,575.1

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8,310.9

8,852.3

6.5%

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$14.052

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14

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[maineman]

another cut and paste from the master... why am I not surprised?

like I said... did I MISS you getting all up in Ryan's grill for not gaining bipartisan support for his budget?

[red states rule]

another cut and paste from the master... why am I not surprised?

like I said... did I MISS you getting all up in Ryan's grill for not gaining bipartisan support for his budget?

Sorry if Obama's actual record bothers you

Unlike Obamacre, Ryan's bill was out there for all to read and see

Pelosi said we had to pass Obamacare to see what was in it

[maineman]

Sorry if Obama's actual record bothers you

Unlike Obamacre, Ryan's bill was out there for all to read and see

Pelosi said we had to pass Obamacare to see what was in it

Obama's record does not bother me at all. You seem happy with Ryan's lack of bipartisan support ... good for you.

you seem to think that Ryan's budget will win support for your party from key demographic groups. good for you.

We'll see what happens in 2012,

[Missileman]

another cut and paste from the master... why am I not surprised?

like I said... did I MISS you getting all up in Ryan's grill for not gaining bipartisan support for his budget?

Did I miss you posting a Dem budget with meaningful spending cuts?

[red states rule]

Did I miss you posting a Dem budget with meaningful spending cuts?

MM has been removed from this thread due to personal attacks on staff

[Missileman]

MM has been removed from this thread due to personal attacks on staff

Awww...:laugh:

[red states rule]

Dems and their allies in the liberal media can lie with a straight face better than anyone I have seen

Evn when the fcats are clearly against them, they continue on with their distortions regarless of the results of their actions

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[NightTrain]

WTF is MM doing back here?

[fj1200]

WTF is MM doing back here?

DP Amnesty Program. Didn't you get the DP newsletter? No sign of Palin Rider yet though.

[jimnyc]

WTF is MM doing back here?

I sent out a newsletter to all members yesterday. A few formerly banned members have been allowed back to the board. Have you changed your email address on record, or just haven't checked it recently?

MFM asked to come back because he loves to post with you! :coffee:

[NightTrain]

I got the newsletter, but somehow totally missed the amnesty part.

Well, if nothing else it'll certainly be interesting.

Of all the previous punching bags, I think I miss Spillmind the most. That little fella was my own personal Stretch Armstrong.

[jimnyc]

I got the newsletter, but somehow totally missed the amnesty part.

Well, if nothing else it'll certainly be interesting.

Of all the previous punching bags, I think I miss Spillmind the most. That little fella was my own personal Stretch Armstrong.

But before Spillmind, on the first free board with Creek, You, me and my sister - remember the twit who posted as "Laura" who came out with the most inane comments in the world and always said a "poll was soon to follow or to be released"? I wanted to punch her in the face, even though it was probably some 500lb guy in his dirty underwear in his Mom's basement.

But yeah, only a total of like 10 members were invited back and probably only a couple will actually make it (changed emails, no interest...)

[red states rule]

DP Amnesty Program. Didn't you get the DP newsletter? No sign of Palin Rider yet though.

We have enough problems with MM don't we?

At least PR would have ONE friend on the board with MM here

[fj1200]

^The R to D ratio is woefully one-sided around here.

[red states rule]

^The R to D ratio is woefully one-sided around here.

Actually I went to a liberal board on a "recruitment drive" and invited the libs there to join

What happened? I ws attacked for my views and I was then limited to 2 posts per 24 hours.

Not one person accepted my offer to join and share their liberal views

Liberals are very welcome here. All they have to do is have a civil conversation which seems nearly impossible with them

[gabosaurus]

RSR, would you vote for a budget that basically destroys Medicare and requires seniors to buy health insurance that is subsidized by the government? I thought you wanted less government involvement?

[red states rule]

RSR, would you vote for a budget that basically destroys Medicare and requires seniors to buy health insurance that is subsidized by the government? I thought you wanted less government involvement?

Gabby unike you I will not lie to them and tell everything is fine and they have nothing to worry about

The Ryan plan does NOT change anything for folks 56 and older

Those under 55 will have to make some adjustments and they have time to prepare

Gabby, the program is going broke faster then anyone thought.

So, are you willing to lie to them or tell them the truth and take steps to fix the problem?

[NightTrain]

But before Spillmind, on the first free board with Creek, You, me and my sister - remember the twit who posted as "Laura" who came out with the most inane comments in the world and always said a "poll was soon to follow or to be released"? I wanted to punch her in the face, even though it was probably some 500lb guy in his dirty underwear in his Mom's basement.

But yeah, only a total of like 10 members were invited back and probably only a couple will actually make it (changed emails, no interest...)


LOL, I totally forgot about that idiot with the polls. Sometimes the shit that liberals will say when cornered is absolutely priceless... I remember laughing so hard at the "Laura" knucklehead's promised polls that I had tears.

[Missileman]

RSR, would you vote for a budget that basically destroys Medicare and requires seniors to buy health insurance that is subsidized by the government? I thought you wanted less government involvement?

Medicare IS health insurance subsidized by the government. The Dems plan is to wait until Medicare implodes in 2024 and then no seniors have any coverage of any kind.

[fj1200]

RSR, would you vote for a budget that basically destroys Medicare and requires seniors to buy health insurance that is subsidized by the government? I thought you wanted less government involvement?

I see you've bought into the false premise. And it would be less government involvement.

[SassyLady]

The Democrats are so cowardly they cant support their own President's budget. Sounds like they should be concerned.

Are you kidding? They are never concerned about their own behavior.

[SassyLady]

health care reform may very well have been a bridge too far. the republicans obviously made us pay in the midterms... they should expect to have this budget similarly used against them....

doesn't that seem fair? :laugh2:

I think the difference is that Obamacare passed and is hurting us. This didn't pass so how can it hurt us?

[SassyLady]

^The R to D ratio is woefully one-sided around here.

What about us I's???

[fj1200]

What about us I's???

Well the I's are generally either wishy-washy and don't honor their opinions with the passion that they deserve, compromise is a virtue you know, or lean far enough either way to actually have an opinion. :laugh:

Perhaps you are correct, should I have referred to the c to l ratio. ;)

[SassyLady]

Well the I's are generally either wishy-washy and don't honor their opinions with the passion that they deserve, compromise is a virtue you know, or lean far enough either way to actually have an opinion. :laugh:

Perhaps you are correct, should I have referred to the c to l ratio. ;)

Well, I'm an Independent and don't think I'm wishy-washy. I have plenty of opinions ... just don't like being stereotyped by people thinking I already have a set opinion because of my political party.

BTW --- what party are you?

[fj1200]

Well, I'm an Independent and don't think I'm wishy-washy. I have plenty of opinions ... just don't like being stereotyped by people thinking I already have a set opinion because of my political party.

BTW --- what party are you?

I was trying, and failing likely, to play on Rush's Great Moderates in History bit, no offense. :)

Party? Conservative first, Republican second because there is no other choice in my county, moderate Dems are non-existent. Lesser wack job Dems will get my cross over vote in the primary against greater wack job Dems. How do you think we finally voted out McKinney? I even had to vote for Hank Johnson to accomplish that goal and he thinks Guam is going to tip over. :laugh:

[SassyLady]

I was trying, and failing likely, to play on Rush's Great Moderates in History bit, no offense. :)

Party? Conservative first, Republican second because there is no other choice in my county, moderate Dems are non-existent. Lesser wack job Dems will get my cross over vote in the primary against greater wack job Dems. How do you think we finally voted out McKinney? I even had to vote for Hank Johnson to accomplish that goal and he thinks Guam is going to tip over. :laugh:

You are doing just fine ... I was just kidding you. I was letting the liberal side of my Independent nature come out by referencing "offended".

I'm in the same boat as you ... but not just my county. My whole freakin' state is liberal (Calif). It's an absolute act of courage to put a military sticker on my vehicle. I had one lady accost me in the parking lot and ask why I wasn't protesting the war to get my husband home (my sticker read "Army Wife - Hardest Job in the Military) because he was putting his life at risk every day.

I told her that if he wasn't in the military he would probably be a policeman or fireman because putting his life on the line is just who he is. I also asked her if she went up to the wives of police officers and fireman and gave them as much shit as she gave me. She was speechless ... she had never even equated the professions as being equally dangerous.

Some people are just stupid, but I find that most of them are pretty much progressive liberals.