Egypt Rushes Toward Sharia and War

[jimnyc]

How hopelessly at odds with America’s best interests is Barack Obama? Less than two weeks ago he declared his support for “political and economic reform in the Middle East,” warmly endorsing the “Arab Spring” uprisings there. Then Sunday, Muslim Brotherhood Sheikh Hazem Abu Ismail announced his candidacy for the presidency of Egypt, promising to transform Egypt into an Islamic state and go to war with Israel. Reform that would indeed be, but not the kind any American president should be applauding.

Maybe Obama is still listening to his ruinously incompetent Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, who at the height of the Egyptian uprising characterized the Muslim Brotherhood as “largely secular.” Secular they’re not, but they’re certainly influential, and Obama knows it: he specifically requested that Muslim Brotherhood representatives attend his speech in Cairo in June 2009. Speaking in a mosque on Saturday, Abu Ismail said that he was confident of victory -- precisely because, unlike the other candidates, he presented a clear call to institute Islamic law in Egypt. “Mohamed ElBaradei, Amr Moussa, and Hamdeen Sabahi, the liberal candidates, will be unable to present a clear vision.”

bu Ismail was sure all Egyptians would love his pro-Sharia platform: “If I could apply sharia in Egypt, all people, including non-Muslims, would applaud me four years later.” He dismissed all who opposed him as perverts and libertines: “We seek to apply Islamic law, but those who don’t want it prefer cabarets, alcohol, dancers and prostitution, as the implementation of Islamic law will prohibit women to appear naked in movies and on beaches.”

He also promised to go to war with Israel: “The Camp David peace treaty is insulting to the Egyptian people, so it must be canceled, and I will do my best to convince people to cancel it.” Abu Ismail made this pledge as Egypt reopened the Rafah crossing -- the only official point of entry into Gaza other than from inside Israel. Egypt had closed it in 2007 after Hamas took power in Gaza, as part of its uneasy observance of the Camp David Accords, since the Rafah crossing had been an easy route into Israel for jihadis and their weapons suppliers.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43807

[abso]

How hopelessly at odds with America’s best interests is Barack Obama? Less than two weeks ago he declared his support for “political and economic reform in the Middle East,” warmly endorsing the “Arab Spring” uprisings there. Then Sunday, Muslim Brotherhood Sheikh Hazem Abu Ismail announced his candidacy for the presidency of Egypt, promising to transform Egypt into an Islamic state and go to war with Israel. Reform that would indeed be, but not the kind any American president should be applauding.

Maybe Obama is still listening to his ruinously incompetent Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, who at the height of the Egyptian uprising characterized the Muslim Brotherhood as “largely secular.” Secular they’re not, but they’re certainly influential, and Obama knows it: he specifically requested that Muslim Brotherhood representatives attend his speech in Cairo in June 2009. Speaking in a mosque on Saturday, Abu Ismail said that he was confident of victory -- precisely because, unlike the other candidates, he presented a clear call to institute Islamic law in Egypt. “Mohamed ElBaradei, Amr Moussa, and Hamdeen Sabahi, the liberal candidates, will be unable to present a clear vision.”

bu Ismail was sure all Egyptians would love his pro-Sharia platform: “If I could apply sharia in Egypt, all people, including non-Muslims, would applaud me four years later.” He dismissed all who opposed him as perverts and libertines: “We seek to apply Islamic law, but those who don’t want it prefer cabarets, alcohol, dancers and prostitution, as the implementation of Islamic law will prohibit women to appear naked in movies and on beaches.”

He also promised to go to war with Israel: “The Camp David peace treaty is insulting to the Egyptian people, so it must be canceled, and I will do my best to convince people to cancel it.” Abu Ismail made this pledge as Egypt reopened the Rafah crossing -- the only official point of entry into Gaza other than from inside Israel. Egypt had closed it in 2007 after Hamas took power in Gaza, as part of its uneasy observance of the Camp David Accords, since the Rafah crossing had been an easy route into Israel for jihadis and their weapons suppliers.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43807

Muslim Brotherhood declared that they won't elect any of their members for presidency, and they will not support any of their members who does not abide by the decision, Hazem Abu Ismail decided on his own to particiapte, but the Muslim Brotherhood wont vote for him and won't support him.

That's all i wanted to clarify, i don't want to debate anymore about that subject, have a nice day.

[jimnyc]

Muslim Brotherhood declared that they won't elect any of their members for presidency, and they will not support any of their members who does not abide by the decision, Hazem Abu Ismail decided on his own to particiapte, but the Muslim Brotherhood wont vote for him and won't support him.

That's all i wanted to clarify, i don't want to debate anymore about that subject, have a nice day.

don't care if you want to debate. I don't live in that filthhole that is already rampant with endless abuse of the women, now with sharia on the horizon it will only get worse.

[abso]

don't care if you want to debate. I don't live in that filthhole that is already rampant with endless abuse of the women, now with sharia on the horizon it will only get worse.

wish you a nice day.

[jimnyc]

wish you a nice day.

Hope yours sucks. Enjoy beating your women even more when sharia gets implemented.

[Gaffer]

Muslim Brotherhood declared that they won't elect any of their members for presidency, and they will not support any of their members who does not abide by the decision, Hazem Abu Ismail decided on his own to particiapte, but the Muslim Brotherhood wont vote for him and won't support him.

That's all i wanted to clarify, i don't want to debate anymore about that subject, have a nice day.

The muslim brotherhood is the grandfather organization of all the terrorist groups in the world today. ismail is a top brotherhood member. He intends to turn egypt into another shithole like iran and start another war with Israel. The rafah crossing is just the first step. I'm sure you will be pleased that your brothers in hamas can now receive more weapons and rockets.

You haven't clarified anything, and if you don't want to debate, don't post.

[jimnyc]

You haven't clarified anything, and if you don't want to debate, don't post.

Agreed. He just doesn't like to have the truth rammed down his throat.

[jimnyc]

Muslim Brotherhood declared that they won't elect any of their members for presidency, and they will not support any of their members who does not abide by the decision, Hazem Abu Ismail decided on his own to particiapte, but the Muslim Brotherhood wont vote for him and won't support him.

That's all i wanted to clarify, i don't want to debate anymore about that subject, have a nice day.

I wonder how this all turned out? :lol:

[aboutime]

I wonder how this all turned out? :lol:



That's what cowards always do when they have been proven wrong, and declared the Liars we all knew them to be.

CUT and RUN. Nothing to say in defense, when you have nothing to defend. Where have we seen that before?

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[jafar00]

don't care if you want to debate. I don't live in that filthhole that is already rampant with endless abuse of the women, now with sharia on the horizon it will only get worse.

Abso stated the facts quite calmly. Abu Ismail acted alone and is as likely to be the next president as Gamal Mubarak. The fact that you can only reply with insults and sensationalism is disturbing.

[aboutime]

Abso stated the facts quite calmly. Abu Ismail acted alone and is as likely to be the next president as Gamal Mubarak. The fact that you can only reply with insults and sensationalism is disturbing.


jafar. You should now be aware. YOU are an insult every time you post here. Or your name is mentioned. And Your sensationalism is quite disturbing because you are a devout Liar, unable, or unwilling to honestly answer simple questions.

Say hello to Dorothy, The Lion, Tin man, and The Scarecrow. They are all lost with you in OZ.

[jimnyc]

Abso stated the facts quite calmly. Abu Ismail acted alone and is as likely to be the next president as Gamal Mubarak. The fact that you can only reply with insults and sensationalism is disturbing.

The fact that you are a terrorist supporting Jew hater is what is amazing. Ok, I take that back, it's not surprising or amazing, it's rather sickening.

[jimnyc]

Muslim Brotherhood declared that they won't elect any of their members for presidency, and they will not support any of their members who does not abide by the decision,

And this is why I revived the thread, dumbass, as I called it way back when that the filthy MB would try to seize power and turn Egypt into a hardline Sharia law country. I stated they were liars back then and stated from day one that the US shouldn't give these scumbag a dime, but Obama did.

And here we are, with Morsi leading the charge, literally stealing power and having all the Islamists band together to rush in sharia law before they can be challenged.

[Kathianne]

And this is why I revived the thread, dumbass, as I called it way back when that the filthy MB would try to seize power and turn Egypt into a hardline Sharia law country. I stated they were liars back then and stated from day one that the US shouldn't give these scumbag a dime, but Obama did.

And here we are, with Morsi leading the charge, literally stealing power and having all the Islamists band together to rush in sharia law before they can be challenged.

Jim, I do wish you and I were proven wrong back when.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?33714-Egypt-The-Next-Taleban-Awakening&highlight=egypt+muslim+brotherhood

It's frightening, not just in Egypt where some want to now destroy the Spinx, but throughout Islamic areas.

[Kathianne]

A bit more recent:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/11/30/remembering-some-those-who-said-muslim-brotherhood-egypt-wasnt-threat-de#ixzz2DrdqDYt3

By far not my favorite site, indeed, they do not allow any copy and paste, not even the lede. Insecurity shows. Yet, this is spot on.

[jimnyc]

Jim, I do wish you and I were proven wrong back when.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?33714-Egypt-The-Next-Taleban-Awakening&highlight=egypt+muslim+brotherhood

It's frightening, not just in Egypt where some want to now destroy the Spinx, but throughout Islamic areas.

That's what happens when people swear what good people the Brotherhood are and what good intentions they have. Now they can live with their mistake.

[aboutime]

A bit more recent:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/11/30/remembering-some-those-who-said-muslim-brotherhood-egypt-wasnt-threat-de#ixzz2DrdqDYt3

By far not my favorite site, indeed, they do not allow any copy and paste, not even the lede. Insecurity shows. Yet, this is spot on.


Kathianne. I managed to copy it. And here is the paste:
Remembering Some of Those Who Said the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt Wasn't a Threat to Democracy
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Reviewing several dispatches from the past couple of days, the latest news out of Egypt is that Egyptian "President" Mohammed Morsi "is not backing down (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_SECOND_REVOLUTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) in the showdown over decrees granting him near-absolute powers," that "clashes between (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) the two camps (Morsi's Islamist supporters and secular opponents) ... left two dead and hundreds injured," and that the country's Muslim Brotherhood-dominated assembly "pushed through (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/30/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html) the 234-article draft (constitution) in just 21 hours from Thursday into Friday ... (after) Coptic Christians and liberals earlier had walked out."
The draft constitution includes several articles (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_CONSTITUTION_GLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-29-20-23-22) "that rights activists, liberals and Christians fear will lead to restrictions on the rights of women and minorities," and omits "bans on slavery or promises to adhere to international rights treaties." Oh, and I almost forgot (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_EGYPT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT): "The Obama administration is declining to criticize Egypt's draft constitution." It's worth identifying at this point several (but by no means all; what follows is surely a small sample) of those who in 2011 reassured the world that Egyptians had nothing to fear if the Brotherhood and Islamists became dominant.

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At NewsBusters on February 4, 2011 (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alex-fitzsimmons/2011/02/04/david-gregory-muslim-brotherhood-matured-sophisticated-egypt-not-c) ("David Gregory: Muslim Brotherhood 'Matured,' 'Sophisticated,' Egypt Not Comparable to Iran"), the NBC "Meet the Press" host said that "They don't want to turn it into an Islamist state. They have matured politically in that sense and are rather sophisticated."
At Reuters on January 29, 2011 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/29/us-egypt-brotherhood-helbawy-interview-idUSTRE70S2CB20110129), Security Correspondent William Maclean relayed the insistence of Kamel El-Helbawy, "an influential cleric in the international Islamist ideological movement," that those who feared the Brotherhood were in essence engaging in paranoia: "The West is always afraid that if the Brotherhood came to power it would end freedoms or do something (negative) with Israel. But I stress that the Brotherhood are among the people who defend democracy in full, and like to see democracy prevailing, because democracy gives them some of their rights."
As reported at the Blaze on January 30. 2011 (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/elbaradei-calls-muslim-brotherhood-threat-a-myth-pushed-by-mubarak-regime/), secular opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei was either among the duped or has been in on a power-grabbing conspiracy all along (current Brotherhood opponents had better hope it was the former, because ElBaradei is also currently leading the current political opposition), telling CNN: "You know, the Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with the Iranian model, has nothing to do with extremism ... The Muslim Brotherhood is a religiously conservative group. They are a minority in Egypt. They are not a majority of the Egyptian people, but they have a lot of credibility because all the other liberal parties have been smothered for 30 years. They are in favor of a federalist state. They are in favor of a wording on the base of constitution that has red lines that every Egyptian has the same rights, same obligation, that the state in no way will be a state based on religion. And I have been reaching out to them. We need to include them."
Tariq Ramadan, professor of contemporary Islamic studies at Oxford and "the grandson of Hassan al-Banna, who founded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in 1928," wrote a column for the Christian Science Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Global-Viewpoint/2011/0208/Egypt-s-Muslim-Brotherhood-is-a-democratic-partner-not-Islamist-threat) on February 8, 2011 with the following headline and subhead: "Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood is a democratic partner, not Islamist threat. The West's fearful stereotypes of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood are based on myth and misunderstanding. Today's Muslim Brotherhood rejects violence and must be a full partner in the process of change – and it will be, if a minimally democratic state can be established in Egypt."
At the Brookings Institution on January 28, 2011, Senior Fellow Bruce Reidel, in an item (http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2011/01/28-egypt-riedel) which apparently also appeared at the Daily Beast ("Don't Fear Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood"), wrote that Western leaders like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton "should not be afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood. Living with it won’t be easy but it should not be seen as inevitably our enemy. We need not demonize it nor endorse it."
Reidel needn't have worried about Obama, who told Fox News's Bill O"Reilly the following in early February 2011 (http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2011/02/muslim-brotherhood-not-threat-says.html):

“The Muslim Brotherhood is one faction in Egypt. They don’t have majority support in Egypt, but they are well organized and there are strains of their ideology that are against the U.S., there’s no doubt about it,” Obama said. “But here’s the thing that we have to understand, there are a whole bunch of secular folks in Egypt, there are a whole bunch of educators and civil society in Egypt that wants to come to the fore as well. So it’s important for us not to say that our own only two options are either the Muslim Brotherhood or a suppressed people.”
To avoid such scenarios, Obama said that the U.S. must make sure “that we get all the groups together in Egypt for an orderly transition and the one that is a meaningful transition."
So who else in the media will remember these and other people, including many of their own, who either naively or deceptively reassured us that democratic forces in Egypt had nothing to fear from radical Islam or the Muslim Brotherhood?
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com (http://www.bizzyblog.com/2012/11/30/a-time-to-remember-those-who-said-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-egypt-wasnt-a-threat-to-democracy/).








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