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Kathianne
07-18-2011, 11:21 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/07/18/what_the_debt_limit_battle_is_all_about_110606.htm l


July 18, 2011
What the Debt Limit Battle Is All About
By Michael Barone

It's hard to keep up with all the arguments and proposals in the debt limit struggle. But what's at stake is fundamental.

The bedrock issue is whether we should have a larger and more expensive federal government. Over many years, federal spending has averaged about 20 percent of gross domestic product.

The Obama Democrats have raised that to 24 or 25 percent. And the president's budget projects that that percentage will stay the same or increase far into the future...

...But Republicans had a mandate from the voters in November 2010 to advance such policies. In contrast, it's not at all clear that voters in November 2008 gave Obama and the Democrats a mandate to increase non-defense discretionary spending by 24 percent (84 percent if you count the stimulus package) in 2009 and 2010.

In negotiations on the debt limit, Obama has fenced off several programs from any cuts at all. One is Obamacare, even though majorities in polls continue to favor its repeal.

Another is, astonishingly, the $53 billion he wants to spend on high-speed rail projects. To call high-speed rail a "boondoggle," as does House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, is to engage in considerable understatement...

...High-speed rail is not the biggest item in the budget. But it's emblematic of the Obama Democrats' theory that government spending can stimulate the economy.

That theory has been pretty well demolished by the fact of 9.2 percent unemployment. The clear signal from both economic markets and political polls is that we should cut federal spending back from 25 percent of GDP toward 20 percent.

It's not clear how far the Republicans can move toward this goal in the debt limit battle, or whether they can move any distance at all. But it's worth trying if only to clarify the choice before voters next year.

J.T
07-18-2011, 11:27 AM
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Kathianne
07-18-2011, 11:36 AM
2248

Might be funny if true. :rolleyes:

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2011/jun/18/george-allen/george-allen-says-us-corporate-tax-rate-second-hig/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

J.T
07-18-2011, 12:15 PM
Might be funny if true. :rolleyes:

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2011/jun/18/george-allen/george-allen-says-us-corporate-tax-rate-second-hig/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world
You might have a point if they paid them

http://www.alternet.org/economy/150387/2_3rds_of_us_corporations_pay_zero_federal_taxes%3 A_us_uncut_movement_builds_to_make_them_pay_up/

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Effective corporate tax rate: ~0%

Kathianne
07-18-2011, 12:31 PM
You might have a point if they paid them

http://www.alternet.org/economy/150387/2_3rds_of_us_corporations_pay_zero_federal_taxes%3 A_us_uncut_movement_builds_to_make_them_pay_up/

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Effective corporate tax rate: ~0%

So, the corporations that don't, such as GE are all? Which corporations hire the most Americans? You know, provide employment? The class warfare thing is great if you are intent in bringing down America as we know it. Yeah, it does make sense for both you and Obama.

J.T
07-18-2011, 12:39 PM
The class warfare thing is great if you are intent in bringing down America as we know it.
So long as no do-good quaker (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Smedley_Butler) ruins your plans for the true realization of Capitalism in its purest form.

Reich-Wing class warriors already showed their real hand (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Business_Plot)

Of course, that didn't work out so now they're forced to go with a more incremental approach.

fj1200
07-18-2011, 01:33 PM
So long as no do-good quaker (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Smedley_Butler) ruins your plans for the true realization of Capitalism in its purest form.

Reich-Wing class warriors already showed their real hand (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Business_Plot)

Of course, that didn't work out so now they're forced to go with a more incremental approach.

:laugh:

Kathianne
07-18-2011, 01:40 PM
:laugh:

Never ceases to amaze me that the furthest of the right and furthest of the left see eye-to-eye.