Did Jesus ever comdemn Gays?

[chloe]

If he did can someone show me where I can find it? If he didn't then why do christians?

[J.T]

Gays are okay now, so long as they're Christians. Luke said so.

I tell you, in that night,
there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

[chloe]

Gays are okay now, so long as they're Christians. Luke said so.

I tell you, in that night,
there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

but did Jesus ever say anything about it one way or another?

[KartRacerBoy]

I'm an atheist but married to a religious woman. If there really was Jesus, I think he was more like the description is this song that what the right wing christians portray his philosophy to be. I mean, wasn't forgiveness the "raison d'etre" of christianity?

Well, Jesus was a homeless lad
With an unwed mother and an absent dad
And I really don't think he would have gotten that far
If Newt, Pat and Jesse had followed that star
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

When Jesus taught the people he
Would never charge a tuition fee
He just took some fishes and some bread
And made up free school lunches instead
So let's all sing out praises to
That long-haired radical socialist Jew

He healed the blind and made them see
He brought the lame folks to their feet
Rich and poor, any time, anywhere
Just pioneering that free health care
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Jesus hung with a low-life crowd
But those working stiffs sure did him proud
Some were murderers, thieves and whores
But at least they didn't do it as legislators
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Jesus lived in troubled times
the religious right was on the rise
Oh what could have saved him from his terrible fate?
Separation of church and state.
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Sometimes I fall into deep despair
When I hear those hypocrites on the air
But every Sunday gives me hope
When pastor, deacon, priest, and pope
Are all singing out their praises to
Some longhaired radical socialist Jew.

They're all singing out their praises to....
Some longhaired radical socialist Jew.

-- Hugh Blumenfeld


fj1200 will protest that I post the lyrics to this song too much, but that's only becz he's a mean spirited, white haired old fart. He's also my man-boy friend. Did i mention that? Well, no matter. He's out now! Kisses!!!

[chloe]

I think Fj is a nice person. Those are fun lyrics and i do like reading song lyrics even when people post songs and not lyrics if I like the song I will look up the words and think about the poster and what the song means to them personally.

At any rate I guess Jesus must not have ever said anything about Gays where he is pro or con about it, so christian followers decided to be against it at some point. I basically just wondered.

[darin]

I think Fj is a nice person. Those are fun lyrics and i do like reading song lyrics even when people post songs and not lyrics if I like the song I will look up the words and think about the poster and what the song means to them personally.

At any rate I guess Jesus must not have ever said anything about Gays where he is pro or con about it, so christian followers decided to be against it at some point. I basically just wondered.

Homosexuality is listed in many scriptures, associated with behavior that separates us from God. Christians fear sin - they make 'not-sinning' the most important aspect of their faith, and I think that's stupid.

That said, I also think it's stupid to create special laws and benefits, and 'celebrate' for folks merely based upon their addictions, afflictions, or personal inclinations or behavior.

[revelarts]

Chole, Jesus never specically mentioned Homosexuality however
Jesus never said anything about necrophilia or several other specific types of sexual sins or abuses. However he did endorse the moral law of the old testament. Chided those that did not read it or apply it in a the spirit which it was intended. The apostles also promoted the Old testament however only required the gentile believers to follow the moral laws not the ceremonial laws.
Homosexuality is mentioned as a sin in the old testament and new testament. the verses have been posted in various threads.
Christians understand that the whole Bible comes from God so we don't say.
"Well Jesus only talked about these 7 issues and never spoke of these other 50 so therefore we don't care about it." .

Jesus makes it Clear that the Old testament Law has not gone out of fashion.
Mathew 5:17-20
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

the law and commandments and prophets are what we call the old testament.

He then goes on to speak specifically about Murder and says being very angry is basically as bad.
He then goes on to speak of Adultery and how that even lustful thoughts are basically as bad.
He's talking about heterosexual lust there.

And the old testaments stance on adultery, homosexuality, and other forms of sex outside of the type created in genesis is very clear. So It seems obvious that Jesus does not endorse Anything but the Adam and Eve type of sexual relationship. And he Considers Sexual sin as a very serious offense against God and others.

Jesus told the woman caught in Adultery, after he saved her life, "To go and SIN NO MORE." Jesus didn't say Adultery is OK go get your grove on just keep it quiet. Much less those who practice other forms of sex outside of a M/F marriage.


Mathew 4:
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.

[chloe]

didn't talk about a man laying with a man sepcifically, I know somewhere in the bible it's been talked about but it wasn't Jesus who said it is that correct?

[darin]

didn't talk about a man laying with a man sepcifically, I know somewhere in the bible it's been talked about but it wasn't Jesus who said it is that correct?

No. Christ really only railed against the religious leaders of the day; he showed a distinct kindness to "sinners" - even those sinners of a sexual nature. :)

[ConHog]

If he did can someone show me where I can find it? If he didn't then why do christians?



Jesus never condemned anyone, for anything.

[revelarts]

John 3:17-18
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

[fj1200]

fj1200 will protest that I post the lyrics to this song too much, but that's only becz he's a mean spirited, white haired old fart. He's also my man-boy friend. Did i mention that? Well, no matter. He's out now! Kisses!!!

Whew, I thought you were going to out me as voting for a Dem POTUS. My rep here would take a serious hit.

BTW, you blew the poll out of the water in how long it would take you to mention that song, nobody had day 2. :eek:

[fj1200]

but did Jesus ever say anything about it one way or another?

He did forgive the Roman Centurion's homosexual partner.

[chloe]

He did forgive the Roman Centurion's homosexual partner.


Is there a bible story about it?

[fj1200]

Is there a bible story about it?

Crap, I meant "heal" not forgive. Matthew 8:5-13 & Luke 7:1-10.

[Gunny]

didn't talk about a man laying with a man sepcifically, I know somewhere in the bible it's been talked about but it wasn't Jesus who said it is that correct?

In the Old Testament, in the Book of Leviticus, man lying with man is addressed specifically.

[chloe]

In the Old Testament, in the Book of Leviticus, man lying with man is addressed specifically.

Oh well I knew some parts of the bible said it is wrong, but my friend said Jesus never specifically said it was wrong, so I thought i'd ask if Jesus himself ever make a statement about it specifically. I just wondered because my friend said Jesus didn't address the gay issue.

[darin]

I believe the bible is clear, with regard to ALL sin: Stay away from it because it hurts you.

Some "sins" were created by the church and what those leaders thought was proper.

[chloe]

I believe the bible is clear, with regard to ALL sin: Stay away from it because it hurts you.

Some "sins" were created by the church and what those leaders thought was proper.

Well How do I know which sins were church made and which ones God says are sins?

[BoogyMan]

If he did can someone show me where I can find it? If he didn't then why do christians?

Christ spoke to the apostles thusly.

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Christ told the apostles he would send the Holy Spirit to bring to their remembrance all that He had said to them.

Acts chapters 1 and 2 show this to happen.

In the book of Romans in chapter 1 vs 21-32 the following is written by Paul after that event.

Romans 1:21-32 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Homosexuality is clearly called sin.

[darin]

Well How do I know which sins were church made and which ones God says are sins?

Generally if it's stupid (like, '4-letter words = sin' or 'can't go to movies' or 'women must not lead in the church') it's man-made. if it's something to keep us from hurting ourselves or others, it's generally from God, because he loves us.

[ConHog]

Generally if it's stupid (like, '4-letter words = sin' or 'can't go to movies' or 'women must not lead in the church') it's man-made. if it's something to keep us from hurting ourselves or others, it's generally from God, because he loves us.

OR you could just take the Catholic approach. If you don't like what the Bible says about something you enjoy doing, just ignore it.
















I KID I KID

[revelarts]

What the Bible says is sin is sin.

there are "churches" that think nearly EVERYTHING is a sin and there are "churches" that think practically NOTHING is a sin.
Chloe you'll have to read it for yourself and you'll get the general idea DMP mentioned but you'll also find that God doesn't like some things that people assume are generally harmless.

Jesus said Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself is the summery of the whole law.
the twist come in when people start making up stuff about who God is and what he likes and what "loving" your neighbor means in some cases.
that's why getting a sense of the whole book helps clear it up a bit. People will still argue but most honest folks will at least be on the same page figuratively and literally sometimes.

[KarlMarx]

There is no mention of Jesus specifically condemning homosexuality in the Gospels. However, Jesus said

"I have come to fulfill the Law and the Prophets"

The "Law" is the Law of Moses, which specifically condemns homosexual acts.

In The Acts of the Apostles, a question of whether Gentile followers should obey the Laws of Moses (especially concerning circumcision). The church fathers concluded that Gentiles were not bound by the Laws of Moses but were supposed to (among other thing) refrain from sexual immorality (implying as immoral as defined by the law of Moses)

St. Paul in First Corinthians warns the members of the church of Corinth to refrain from homosexual acts.

In Acts, while St Paul was on the road to Damascus, he was commissioned by Jesus to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles in a vision. Again, one must assume that St Paul's teachings on homosexuality were based on Jesus' teachings (of which much was based on Old Testament Law).


What the Bible says is sin is sin.

there are "churches" that think nearly EVERYTHING is a sin and there are "churches" that think practically NOTHING is a sin.
Chloe you'll have to read it for yourself and you'll get the general idea DMP mentioned but you'll also find that God doesn't like some things that people assume are generally harmless.

Jesus said Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself is the summery of the whole law.
the twist come in when people start making up stuff about who God is and what he likes and what "loving" your neighbor means in some cases.
that's why getting a sense of the whole book helps clear it up a bit. People will still argue but most honest folks will at least be on the same page figuratively and literally sometimes.

Ah, yes... this has been a problem since the beginning of the Church. People in authority such as bishops would often preach heresies and lead people astray. Yep. There were plenty of heresies in the early days of the Church. Gnosticism, Arianism, etc. Just because a person in church authority or who is a scholar on the subject says "X" does not mean it's so. One has to be very careful about that.


Well How do I know which sins were church made and which ones God says are sins?
Read the Bible every day.... and make it a life time habit.... it's like a One A Day vitamin for your soul....

Go to http://odb.org/2011/07/28/for-the-god-i-love/

there is a link "Read the Bible in a Year", click on that. Each day a new devotional will appear and a new set of verses to read.

[J.T]

However he did endorse the moral law of the old testament.

So raping your virgin daughter should still cost me 40 shekels and get me a new wife?


Chided those that did not read it or apply it in a the spirit which it was intended.
What about those who, out of their own ignorance of the scriptures, made up prophecies that didn't exist and then made Jesus' backstory (and a few more 'prophecies') up out of whole cloth so they could claim he fulfilled them?

http://www.gotatheism.com/prophecy/prophecy.asp


The apostles also promoted the Old testament however only required the gentile believers to follow the moral laws not the ceremonial laws.

So we can pick and choose which of God's laws we want to obey? Doesn't that mean God's laws and commandments pretty much mean squat outside of their usefulness in achieving our own ends?



Jesus makes it Clear that the Old testament Law has not gone out of fashion.
Why do Christians eat pork and shellfish?

And why would Jesus seem to defend eating unclean things if it is a violation of God's law, which is still in effect?


Jesus never condemned anyone, for anything.
What about Matthew 23?


In the Old Testament, in the Book of Leviticus, man lying with man is addressed specifically.

In the NT, Luke tells us fags can be saved and can be found worthy of heaven while still in bed with their gay lovers.


Well How do I know which sins were church made and which ones God says are sins?

Simple. You stop relying on others to tell you what to do and start making your own fucking decisions in life, challenging what you believe and why, and living in accordance with your own conscience instead of whatever the gods, preachers, kings, politicians, or or other self-appointed elites tell you.

But you're probably too weak minded for that. Most people are. Hence religion, the opiate of the masses, in all its forms.


Generally if it's stupid (like, '4-letter words = sin' or 'can't go to movies' or 'women must not lead in the church') it's man-made.

What about killing unbelievers, promoting slavery, and forcing girls to marry their rapists?


Read the Bible every day.... and make it a life time habit.... it's like a One A Day vitamin for your soul....

Go to http://odb.org/2011/07/28/for-the-god-i-love/

there is a link "Read the Bible in a Year", click on that. Each day a new devotional will appear and a new set of verses to read.

More like a lobotomy. Try exercising some critical thinking skills.

POP QUIZ: who ordered the census

http://bible.cc/2_samuel/24-1.htm
http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/21-1.htm

They could at least proofread


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2EmxXdZ6Zc

and check their timeline and internal chronology for considtency


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXrIO8xpNn8

Or read the damn book they're supposed to basing this shit on


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdrVvcvvY34


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT032Qn_b5E

[darin]

JT Removed because he's annoying...and has an agenda

[KarlMarx]

Regarding the Exodus "blunder". God spared the Hebrews from the plagues. That is why they had livestock. The "beasts of the field" includes wild animals. The word original word that we translate as "cattle" can mean any animal, wild or domestic.

You can take Bible verses out of context and string them together to come up with a convincing argument that the Bible is flawed. OK, that's your prerogative. I think you should also look at what Christians and Jews have done in the world. They have done a tremendous amount of good simply because they believed in this "flawed" document. Atheists can't make that claim.

[soupnazi630]

If he did can someone show me where I can find it? If he didn't then why do christians?

Not specifically.

He was silent on the issue.

Most condemnation of gays in the bible is found in the Old testament.

[soupnazi630]

I'm an atheist but married to a religious woman. If there really was Jesus, I think he was more like the description is this song that what the right wing christians portray his philosophy to be. I mean, wasn't forgiveness the "raison d'etre" of christianity?

Well, Jesus was a homeless lad
With an unwed mother and an absent dad
And I really don't think he would have gotten that far
If Newt, Pat and Jesse had followed that star
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

When Jesus taught the people he
Would never charge a tuition fee
He just took some fishes and some bread
And made up free school lunches instead
So let's all sing out praises to
That long-haired radical socialist Jew

He healed the blind and made them see
He brought the lame folks to their feet
Rich and poor, any time, anywhere
Just pioneering that free health care
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Jesus hung with a low-life crowd
But those working stiffs sure did him proud
Some were murderers, thieves and whores
But at least they didn't do it as legislators
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Jesus lived in troubled times
the religious right was on the rise
Oh what could have saved him from his terrible fate?
Separation of church and state.
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Sometimes I fall into deep despair
When I hear those hypocrites on the air
But every Sunday gives me hope
When pastor, deacon, priest, and pope
Are all singing out their praises to
Some longhaired radical socialist Jew.

They're all singing out their praises to....
Some longhaired radical socialist Jew.

-- Hugh Blumenfeld


fj1200 will protest that I post the lyrics to this song too much, but that's only becz he's a mean spirited, white haired old fart. He's also my man-boy friend. Did i mention that? Well, no matter. He's out now! Kisses!!!

I won't protest you posting this but I will critique it because it is evident whoever wrote this poem did not really read the new Testament. Keep in mind I am not preaching here or telling you what to believe only repeating what the book states which is what the poem got wrong.

Jesus mother was not an unwed mother she was married to Joseph. As a lad or boy he was not homeless Joseph had a job and provided for them. Also his father was present whether you consider that father Joseph or God the father.

Jesus was not a socialist in any way shape or form. This claim is ludicrous and probably a result of connecting the cosmetic similarities in Jesus long haired portrayal in paintings with the average hippy look of the sixties.

Jesus did perform many of the mircales listed in the poem but what the poem fails to catch ( many others fail to notice it as well ) is who these miracles were performed for. Jesus may well have healed the poor and rich alike the high and mighty and lower standard of society alike but he was very selective about who he healed and performed mircales for. Those Jesus came to heal and perform miracles for and die for and save were in fact HIS people. If you were not one of his select people he did nothing for you. Rather selfish and contrary to the feel good rheotric of the poem.
Forgiveness was part of what jesus was about but it was not the "raison d etre" for his visit or existence. Jesus came to save his people ( exclusively ) and part of that was to forgive their sins but in fact that forgiveness was not free and unconditional he had to pay a price for them to be forgiven.

Whether people believe Jesus was devine, a remarkable man, or just a myth they need to learn more about what the book written about his life says before making up poems to claim him as a representative of their political beliefs. And yes this includes right wingers. The poem you quoted was simply by someone on the left quite obviously.

[Prince Lemon]

Perhaps in four Gospels in The New Testament there no mentions on sodomites.However,Apostle Paul whom Lord Jesus gave assinments for God's Laws of The New Covenant,wrote strictly dealing with gays and other perverts of sins in Romans 1:26-32.By Apostle Peter in 2nd Peter 2.By Apostle Jude in Jude 1:1-6(reviving God's Judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah),also warning of Hell for drunks,sluts,gays,criminals,etc in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 by Apostle Paul.

[OCA]

If he did can someone show me where I can find it? If he didn't then why do christians?

Sure he did..............book of Romans.

[chloe]

Sure he did..............book of Romans.

oh I googled it but people say Paul condemned gays but Jesus never spoke on the issue.

[OCA]

oh I googled it but people say Paul condemned gays but Jesus never spoke on the issue.

Its generally considered that Jesus was speaking through Paul.

[chloe]

Its generally considered that Jesus was speaking through Paul.

Ok, but i really just wondered if Jesus himself ever said anything. Thanks for the input tho.

[FredPhelps316]

God clearly states men cannot lie with other men Lev 18:22 Also Prince Lemon is guilty of breaking Lev 18:23 when he had sex with a beast by blowing it from behind, and he broke lev 18:19 by having sex with his dirty ex wife while she was on her period. Igor repented, and now he fixes air conditioning, and only once has he been caught masturbating into where you're supposed to put the Freon.

[Gunny]

God clearly states men cannot lie with other men Lev 18:22 Also Prince Lemon is guilty of breaking Lev 18:23 when he had sex with a beast by blowing it from behind, and he broke lev 18:19 by having sex with his dirty ex wife while she was on her period. Igor repented, and now he fixes air conditioning, and only once has he been caught masturbating into where you're supposed to put the Freon.

Leviticus is Old Testament. Try reading the question in the OP.

You're guilty of breaking Gunny 3:16 -- don't be such a f*ckwit.

[darin]

God clearly states men cannot lie with other men Lev 18:22 Also Prince Lemon is guilty of breaking Lev 18:23 when he had sex with a beast by blowing it from behind, and he broke lev 18:19 by having sex with his dirty ex wife while she was on her period. Igor repented, and now he fixes air conditioning, and only once has he been caught masturbating into where you're supposed to put the Freon.

Worst reply ever. Please grow up, or go away.

[Wind Song]

Jesus never said a word about gays.

[Prince Lemon]

Leviticus is Old Testament. Try reading the question in the OP.

You're guilty of breaking Gunny 3:16 -- don't be such a f*ckwit.This new idiot is reported to the admin.You guys to be careful with this troll.He targets many whom he hates.He did many troubles to me and my friends on Twitter.

[jimnyc]

Jesus never said a word about gays.

I spoke with him just last week. He told me that queers were an abomination. He also told me that their destructive and deviant lifestyle would lead to an early grave. He also told me that you were an idiot, and that liberals were the creation of the devil himself.

** Ok, I'm about to thread ban myself now for trolling. :coffee:

[Gunny]

This new idiot is reported to the admin.You guys to be careful with this troll.He targets many whom he hates.He did many troubles to me and my friends on Twitter.

We received the reported posts. All of them. Please continue posting on the topic now, or not, and let us handle the issue. It will not be handled in public on the board by either you or Phelps. If you have a question, PM an administrator or mod.

[Prince Lemon]

The whole Bible condemns people for homosexuality as well as it condemns adulterers,fornicators,pedophiles,and other sexually immorals,period.

[FredPhelps316]

Im sorry guys. Im sorry you hate the bible!

[DragonStryk72]

I think Fj is a nice person. Those are fun lyrics and i do like reading song lyrics even when people post songs and not lyrics if I like the song I will look up the words and think about the poster and what the song means to them personally.

At any rate I guess Jesus must not have ever said anything about Gays where he is pro or con about it, so christian followers decided to be against it at some point. I basically just wondered.

Okay, well, it was stated in Leviticus as being detestable. Understand, however, that by Leviticus standards, pretty everyone in the entire world was going to hell for something or other. Took the Lord's name in vain? Going to hell. Talked back to your parents? Going to hell. Ate meat on a Friday? Going to hell. This is actually part of the reason Jesus came, to strike down the Jewish Book of Law, and the Pharisees who enforced it. It's even gone over in Romans, "Ye are not under law but under grace" (Rom. 6:14).

Yes, homosexuality is wrong under Christianity, but then, so is premarital heterosexual sex, sex not used to procreate, drinking, being lazy, and a whole slew of others sins we commit on a fairly regular basis.

[chloe]

Okay, well, it was stated in Leviticus as being detestable. Understand, however, that by Leviticus standards, pretty everyone in the entire world was going to hell for something or other. Took the Lord's name in vain? Going to hell. Talked back to your parents? Going to hell. Ate meat on a Friday? Going to hell. This is actually part of the reason Jesus came, to strike down the Jewish Book of Law, and the Pharisees who enforced it. It's even gone over in Romans, "Ye are not under law but under grace" (Rom. 6:14).

Yes, homosexuality is wrong under Christianity, but then, so is premarital heterosexual sex, sex not used to procreate, drinking, being lazy, and a whole slew of others sins we commit on a fairly regular basis.

Yes I knew that the bible document itself has places that condemn it, but my friend told me that Jesus himself has never been recorded as saying anything about it. I just wondered if that was true and it appears it is true. Jesus never condemned gays flat out. Christians are derived from Jesus teachings not the entire bible.

[Prince Lemon]

Yes I knew that the bible document itself has places that condemn it, but my friend told me that Jesus himself has never been recorded as saying anything about it. I just wondered if that was true and it appears it is true. Jesus never condemned gays flat out. Christians are derived from Jesus teachings not the entire bible.
Jesus sent His servants Paul,Peter,and St Jude to record verses dealing with GLBT.You see in Romans 1:26-32,2nd Peter 2,1 Cor 6:9-10,and Jude 1:1-6 where St Jude revives events that happened in Old Testament's Sodom and Gomorrah in The Book of Genesis 19:1-29.

[chloe]

Jesus sent His servants Paul,Peter,and St Jude to record verses dealing with GLBT.You see in Romans 1:26-32,2nd Peter 2,1 Cor 6:9-10,and Jude 1:1-6 where St Jude revives events that happened in Old Testament's Sodom and Gomorrah in The Book of Genesis 19:1-29.

I'm only asking about Jesus himself not spokespersons:salute:

[Prince Lemon]

I'm only asking about Jesus himself not spokespersons:salute:Lord Jesus seems not mentioned gays in His Speech.:)However,what His spokesmen stated that they got directly from God and seems from Jesus Who is God in human form.:)

[DragonStryk72]

Yes I knew that the bible document itself has places that condemn it, but my friend told me that Jesus himself has never been recorded as saying anything about it. I just wondered if that was true and it appears it is true. Jesus never condemned gays flat out. Christians are derived from Jesus teachings not the entire bible.

Nope, not a word from Jesus (though Jesus is actually a Greek name, their version of Yeshua, or Joshua) on gays, but many against passing judgment, acting with prejudice, and most famously he said "Love your enemy".

[DragonStryk72]

Lord Jesus seems not mentioned gays in His Speech.:)However,what His spokesmen stated that they got directly from God and seems from Jesus Who is God in human form.:)

This is where free will comes in. The problem with being an inspiration is that God does not talk directly to much of anyone, instead sending signs and portents. Well of course, this makes it inherently fallable, since man has free will and can thus, either by accident or choice, misinterpret God's message. Unless you're about to argue that they're all omniscient and infallible.