View Full Version : Obama: I didn't say 'change we can believe in tomorrow'
red states rule
08-04-2011, 07:41 PM
and this is the smartest guy in the room? The man who was going to clean up Bush's mess?
All this guy does is make excuses and try to blame someone else for his failures
The economy is tanking and this clown if at a birthday party fundraiser tonight after people lost a chunk of their retirement funds in the stock market because of his economic policies.
At least someone will make some money today
If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you were not a racist, you damn well better vote for his opponent to prove you are not an idiot
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ConHog
08-04-2011, 07:59 PM
and this is the smartest guy in the room? The man who was going to clean up Bush's mess?
All this guy does is make excuses and try to blame someone else for his failures
The economy is tanking and this clown if at a birthday party fundraiser tonight after people lost a chunk of their retirement funds in the stock market because of his economic policies.
At least someone will make some money today
If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you were not a racist, you damn well better vote for his opponent to prove you are not an idiot
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All I can say at this point is that someone did a masterful job of convincing a lot of people that Obama was a smart person.
Gaffer
08-04-2011, 08:09 PM
They won't convince anyone next time around. Even he knows he can't win next year.
KarlMarx
08-04-2011, 09:07 PM
I think that his fate has been sealed these past few weeks. During the debt negotiations all he did was get in the way. He became something like an annoying little kid that was trying desperately to be relevant. Even his party is turning on him. What can you say about the guy? He's completely in over his head.
red states rule
08-05-2011, 03:01 AM
They won't convince anyone next time around. Even he knows he can't win next year.
Gaffer you know damn well they will try, and there are some fools that will buy it.
Here is the class warfare crap that Rachel Maddow sprewed recently
"American corporations are setting new profit records right now. Seriously, it's raining money for the Microsofts and Apples and Goodyears and Caterpillars and 3Ms of the world. They all set a record for revenue in the last three months. Second quarter reports are coming in and, so far, it is rivers and lakes and oceans of money for the S&P 500. After months of record profits already, they are now doing even better than before, even better than expected. And in the case of <NOBR>oil companies (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</NOBR>, they're doing a lot better. That's what happens when you can sell your product to a captive audience for suddenly high prices. You get even richer than you were before, and you started off really rich.
"While the news is really, really good for the gold-plated crowd of people who own corporations, the news for everybody else, of course, is not so good. We learned today that U.S. companies are planning layoffs at a pace not seen since the spring of last year. Planned layoffs are up nearly two-thirds from the month before and from the level a year ago. And while we have been watching government austerity shrink the public jobs sector -- the teachers and police officers of America who have been put out of work -- now we're seeing big layoffs at drug companies and retailers. Even when government had been cutting jobs, these had been the sectors that had been providing some of the very few <NOBR>new jobs (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</NOBR> this lousy economy had been adding. And now they are cutting too. So, so much for the silver lining I guess.
"So much for the theory that what is good for the so-called job creators is necessarily good for the job doers. There is a clear and painful disconnect right now between what's happening for the wealth of <NOBR>corporations (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</NOBR> and what's happening for the rest of the economy. Corporations making lots of profit does not equal jobs, it turns out. It just equals lots of corporate profit. The already rich get much richer, and the not rich get bupkus."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/04/us_doomed_to_repeat_history.html
Kathianne
08-05-2011, 09:35 AM
Obama had such 'hopes' of 'change' going into the Presidency, however unrealistic. In a little over 2 years his 'hopes' have been crushed. That's what inexperience will do.
There are so many problems in Washington, though few of us regret that Obama thought he could ram through his progressive agenda on speech making and personal likability alone. It appeared to work on Obamacare, but not really. Truth is he kicked that one to Congress and it was the leadership that got it through. With that though he spent any cred he had. Many legislators had to drop out in the mid-terms, those that didn't were sent home anyways. They lost the House. Since January that 1/2+ has been able to restrain or prevent most of his plans.
It's an important lesson that hopefully isn't being lost on conservatives. The system was designed to be unwieldy. The Founders wanted it to be difficult for laws to be made, taxes to be passed, restraints on rights to be kept to a minimal. Historically those 'big issues' that were dealt with took years, decades of debate to be brought to the front and dealt with. Any person or group that thinks that it will 'win' and change the whole system in one cycle is deluding themselves. Change comes through winning the debate, not the election. It's incremental and difficult to reverse once established. It reminds me of how some individuals in our history lessons keep coming up again and again. Adams, Webster, Clay, Monroe...
So has reality 'hit' Obama? In the big way, yes. In his own mind? No.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/08/04/obama-speech-chicago/
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The “Fierce Urgency of Now” Seems Less Fierce These Days (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/08/04/obama-speech-chicago/) Peter Wehner (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/author/peter-wehner/) 08.04.2011 - 4:40 PM
During his fundraising trip to Chicago last night, President Obama said, (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/03/obama_were_not_even_halfway_there_yet.html)“When I said ‘change we can believe in,’ I didn’t say ‘change we can believe in tomorrow.’ Not change we can believe in next week. We knew this was going to take time because we’ve got this big, messy, tough democracy.”
I went back and read Obama’s Jefferson-Jackson dinner remarks. (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/11/sweet_blog_extra_text_of_obama.html%5D.) This is the speech that did the most to catapult Obama to his victory in Iowa, which in turn helped catapult him to the Democratic nomination and, eventually, the presidency.
Funny, but I missed the caveats and qualifiers in Obama’s speech. What I did read is this:
I am running in this race because of what Dr. King called “the fierce urgency of now.” Because I believe that there’s such a thing as being too late. And that hour is almost upon us.
The “fierce urgency of now” seems to be somewhat less fierce these days. And so many of the things Obama didn’t want to wake up four years from now and see are not only not better; they are significantly worse.
“In this election — in this moment — let us reach for what we know is possible,” Obama told an enraptured audience. “A nation healed. A world repaired. An America that believes again.”
Now the president has been reduced to asking for more time because we’ve got this “big, messy, tough democracy.” Who knew American democracy was like that?
There is something plaintive in Obama’s words these days. We are witnessing a man of enormous self-regard wrestle with a record of amassing and undeniable failures. This is creating a kind of cognitive dissonance – a huge mental processing problem — for the president. And so the difficulties we face rest not with Obama but with others, including with the impatience of others. That is of course nonsense; Obama himself made a series of promises at the outset of his presidency regarding job growth, unemployment, the deficit, and much more, all of which he has fallen far short of. Now he says he needs and deserves more time. My guess is the American people will respectfully dissent. They have seen quite enough already.
Gaffer
08-05-2011, 09:37 AM
Gaffer you know damn well they will try, and there are some fools that will buy it.
Here is the class warfare crap that Rachel Maddow sprewed recently
Oh yeah I know they will start with the lies and spin. They have the whole media to pull in and defend and promote them. They will use any means to stay in power. And I do mean ANY means. Fraud, riots, murder will all be part of their means to promote their agenda. Within the next year you can expect the dark lord to use some emergency to declare martial law. I'm sure he was waving that under the noses of a few repubs this last round of face offs. And his cronies will back him. He's just waiting for his saddam in parliament moment.
red states rule
08-05-2011, 04:18 PM
Oh yeah I know they will start with the lies and spin. They have the whole media to pull in and defend and promote them. They will use any means to stay in power. And I do mean ANY means. Fraud, riots, murder will all be part of their means to promote their agenda. Within the next year you can expect the dark lord to use some emergency to declare martial law. I'm sure he was waving that under the noses of a few repubs this last round of face offs. And his cronies will back him. He's just waiting for his saddam in parliament moment.
They are not wasting anytime Gaffer
From TIME:
In the wake of the debt-ceiling debate, young voters might find it hard to believe that just ten years ago, “compassionate conservative” was a mantle worn with a straight face by many GOP leaders. In fact, you could argue that George W. Bush split the independent vote with Al Gore in 2000 because of his image as a compassionate conservative. Now, of course, in the era of the kick-ass-and-kill-programs Tea Party, few Republicans who value their <NOBR>careers (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</NOBR> would run as a touchy-feely politician. But is compassionate conservatism dead, or just mostly dead?
http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/05/articles-of-faith-did-ayn-rand-and-austerity-politics-kill-compassionate-conservatism/
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