How them gun laws working out?

[darin]

For criminals, gun laws never work. I'd love to get inside the head of liberals and other fascists to figure out what is broken inside them, to incline them to support removing defense tools from honest folks.



http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/08/13/dpd-raid-90-homes-arrest-over-600-net-3-5m-in-drugs/


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DETROIT (WWJ) – Detroit Police say they’ve conducted dozens of raids in the last six weeks netting them millions of dollars in drugs. Since July 1st, Detroit police have raided more than 90 homes, in one of the city’s biggest busts ever.
“Since July first, we have raided a total of 90 homes, arrested 616 individuals and confiscated 69 firearms,” Police Chief Ralph Godbee said. “We’ve taken in about $3.5 million worth of heroin, cocaine, marijuana, various pills, Oxycontin and things of that nature, and over $360,000 in cash and narcotic proceeds.”
Godbee said the raids took place thanks to citizen tips, a trend he’s happy to see develop.
“(We’ve arrested) 616 persons since July first directly resulting from information given to us and our officers acting upon that information. I think Crime Stoppers last month, they had a record number of tips come into Crime Stoppers, and we’ve tried to be very vigilant in putting information out.”
Godbee said special attention is being paid to “open air drug dealing,” where drugs are bought and sold hand to hand from cars. He says dealers are brazenly blocking traffic in some neighborhoods and places of businesses while drug sales are going down, and citizens are intimidated if they complain.

[red states rule]

Criminals love gun control laws


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[J.T]

For criminals, gun laws never work.


Au contraire. Gun laws work great for criminals, because it disarms their victims and makes their jobs much easier.

[ConHog]

For criminals, gun laws never work. I'd love to get inside the head of liberals and other fascists to figure out what is broken inside them, to incline them to support removing defense tools from honest folks.

Gun laws are a necessary evil that some have taken too far. There most definitely are certain weapons that should be illegal, there most definitely are places we shouldn't be able to carry weapons, and there most certainly should be minimal standards required before a person is allowed to carry a concealed weapon though.

[Gunny]

For criminals, gun laws never work. I'd love to get inside the head of liberals and other fascists to figure out what is broken inside them, to incline them to support removing defense tools from honest folks.

Seems to me the only people that lose guns with gun bans are law-abiding citizens. Criminals are ALREADY ... well ... criminals. I'm sure it just breaks their little hearts to know general public has been disarmed. Sure makes things easy for them.

[ConHog]

Seems to me the only people that lose guns with gun bans are law-abiding citizens. Criminals are ALREADY ... well ... criminals. I'm sure it just breaks their little hearts to know general public has been disarmed. Sure makes things easy for them.

Now Gunny you know that's not true. Sure SOME criminals have guns anyway, but if you could buy an automatic rifle down at Wal Mart with no waiting period nor standards you KNOW that more would be used in crimes. Of course the "real" criminals will always know how to find such things no matter what we do but that doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up in the air and say "oh well , we can't stop criminals from shooting people with guns, so might as well stop trying."

[logroller]

Gun laws are a necessary evil that some have taken too far. There most definitely are certain weapons that should be illegal, there most definitely are places we shouldn't be able to carry weapons, and there most certainly should be minimal standards required before a person is allowed to carry a concealed weapon though.

As a Cali resident, I'm a bit sensitive when people talk the necessary evil of gun bans. This state doesn't even justify its attempts, it just decides what looks scary is bad. It's a classic socialist ploy to make a problem where there isn't one. Infringe upon firearm rights in the hopes someone does go ballistic and commit a violent act with a firearm, then claim that we need more laws. My personal favorite is the ban on .50 BMG-- a terrorist threat, go figure:rolleyes:; never mind the fact that it hasn't been used in CA to kill or harm, one has never been used in the commission of a crime in the entire US. Not surprisingly, law enforcement is excluded from the ban, but as a nice FUCK YOU to CA -- Barrett Firearms refused to service or sell any rifles to CA government agencies.

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My favorite caption for the following: When asked what the soldier felt when he shot a terrorist, he quickly replied "recoil"!

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[Gunny]

As a Cali resident, I'm a bit sensitive when people talk the necessary evil of gun bans. This state doesn't even justify its attempts, it just decides what looks scary is bad. It's a classic socialist ploy to make a problem where there isn't one. Infringe upon firearm rights in the hopes someone does go ballistic and commit a violent act with a firearm, then claim that we need more laws. My personal favorite is the ban on .50 BMG-- a terrorist threat, go figure:rolleyes:; never mind the fact that it hasn't been used in CA to kill or harm, one has never been used in the commission of a crime in the entire US. Not surprisingly, law enforcement is excluded from the ban, but as a nice FUCK YOU to CA -- Barrett Firearms refused to service or sell any rifles to CA government agencies.

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My favorite caption for the following: When asked what the soldier felt when he shot a terrorist, he quickly replied "recoil"!

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Spent half my career in SoCal. I hear ya. I always liked the rationalization that a rifle was an "assault rifle" if it had a bayonet lug and sling keepers. The stupidity knows no bounds.

[ConHog]

As a Cali resident, I'm a bit sensitive when people talk the necessary evil of gun bans. This state doesn't even justify its attempts, it just decides what looks scary is bad. It's a classic socialist ploy to make a problem where there isn't one. Infringe upon firearm rights in the hopes someone does go ballistic and commit a violent act with a firearm, then claim that we need more laws. My personal favorite is the ban on .50 BMG-- a terrorist threat, go figure:rolleyes:; never mind the fact that it hasn't been used in CA to kill or harm, one has never been used in the commission of a crime in the entire US. Not surprisingly, law enforcement is excluded from the ban, but as a nice FUCK YOU to CA -- Barrett Firearms refused to service or sell any rifles to CA government agencies.

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My favorite caption for the following: When asked what the soldier felt when he shot a terrorist, he quickly replied "recoil"!

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CA is fucked up, what can I tell you. Here in AR things are pretty relaxed. there are of course limitations, but they are reasonable.

The gun laws are the results of a few idiots fucking things up for everyone. Really there are all kinds of areas where this is has happened.

[logroller]

CA is fucked up, what can I tell you. Here in AR things are pretty relaxed. there are of course limitations, but they are reasonable.

The gun laws are the results of a few idiots fucking things up for everyone. Really there are all kinds of areas where this is has happened.

I know it all too well. But I was raised with a respect for firearms, their proper handling and of course, responsible ownership. I've taught several friends and associates how to safely operate and care for a firearms, as well as a the occasional reminder to one who has lapse in judgement, as it happens. I just think its ignorant for people to ban guns when they have no idea how and why to use them. I mean, there's an amendment in US Constitution, the second; so obviously it was deemed important by the wise men who had no doubt endured an oppressive regime-- that's why they included it, and yet bit by bit, oppression grows. It's only a matter of time before one in ten(already less than half) households own a gun, and we'll be reduced to Stalinistas, nothing more than sheep led about. It just goes to show how the liberals won't be happy until the Parchment is torn to shreds, figuratively; but I wouldn't put it's literal destruction out of the realm of possibility. A well-regulated militia isn't something to be taken for granted; as too often people think it's just the other guy who provides for their safety-- a complete lack of personal responsibility. And they probably need govt to protect them, from themselves. That's what I find most empowering about firearms, the ability to protect myself. I love my country, and I'd fight anyone to protect it.

[KartRacerBoy]

Have any of you read Freakonomics? IIRC, the author (an economist) had a study of the effect of gun ownership and carry laws on crime rates. I read the paper a few years ago and it essentially concluded there was no discernable effect. Crime rates didn't go up and didn't go down.

Kind of OT but interesting.

[Gaffer]

Have any of you read Freakonomics? IIRC, the author (an economist) had a study of the effect of gun ownership and carry laws on crime rates. I read the paper a few years ago and it essentially concluded there was no discernable effect. Crime rates didn't go up and didn't go down.

Kind of OT but interesting.

If there's no effect on the crime rate, then there's no need to band guns. Accept for nefarious reasons.