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The difference is your "younger wife" could still be retirement age and be younger than you, meanwhile my younger wife, actually is young.
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1184/2059childbride.jpg
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chloe
08-31-2011, 07:17 PM
Hey it's not like that you gotta be at least 16 for the main stream mormons, the child brides are for the polys and not even the metro polys do that. :salute:
jimnyc
08-31-2011, 07:21 PM
Is this an underage girl you posted? If so, I'll give you a little time to delete it before I do. Also, are you implying/accusing CH of having something to do with underage girls? If so, with such an accusation, I would hope you have evidence other than your anger. Please tell me I'm wrong and give me a reason not to delete your thread.
KartRacerBoy
08-31-2011, 07:44 PM
Is this an underage girl you posted? If so, I'll give you a little time to delete it before I do. Also, are you implying/accusing CH of having something to do with underage girls? If so, with such an accusation, I would hope you have evidence other than your anger. Please tell me I'm wrong and give me a reason not to delete your thread.
Close. The f*cker married a woman 14 yrs younger than him but he CLAIMS she was 26 at the time. :laugh:
JT's quote is a response to my razzing ConHog cz my wife is only 8 yrs younger than me (I call her my spousal support unit). :laugh:
chloe
08-31-2011, 07:55 PM
Close. The f*cker married a woman 14 yrs younger than him but he CLAIMS she was 26 at the time. :laugh:
JT's quote is a response to my razzing ConHog cz my wife is only 8 yrs younger than me (I call her my spousal support unit). :laugh:
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?32418-Who-do-the-posters-on-this-board-like-more
It came from this thread ;), the boys are razzing each other today. But now that Jim is back everyone has to behave properly again, no more out of control threads from me.....but I can't speak for Luna Tick as she's a militant feminist and no man rules her.:rolleyes:
Abbey Marie
08-31-2011, 08:28 PM
Jim, I'd delete it asap.
KartRacerBoy
08-31-2011, 08:31 PM
Jim, I'd delete it asap.
Yeah, obvious child porn. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
ConHog
09-01-2011, 09:17 AM
Close. The f*cker married a woman 14 yrs younger than him but he CLAIMS she was 26 at the time. :laugh:
JT's quote is a response to my razzing ConHog cz my wife is only 8 yrs younger than me (I call her my spousal support unit). :laugh:
So now we can add not being able to do simple arithmetic to your list of negatives? LOL
Actually she IS 26, we've been married 6 years, meaning obviously that she was 20 when we got married. Just as obviously I was 34.
As for this thread, I am shocked, shocked I tell you , that JT would take yet another shot at religion. On the "plus" side though, at least it wasn't Christians or the mean old Jews he went after this time.
PS - Hey JT i've already said on the board that if I were a Mormon I would make Chloe wife number 2.
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 09:36 AM
I pretty sure Mormons are Christians since they do believe Christ was the son of God.
Gunny
09-01-2011, 11:55 AM
What business is it of yours if he is or isn't? All you do is whine like a bitch about how religious people encroach on your rights; yet, here you are sticking your nose in theirs.
Typical hypocrisy from you and your punkish, child-like, religion of hate.
ConHog
09-01-2011, 12:31 PM
I pretty sure Mormons are Christians since they do believe Christ was the son of God.
Ahhh, in that case, where Chloe?
What business is it of yours if he is or isn't? All you do is whine like a bitch about how religious people encroach on your rights; yet, here you are sticking your nose in theirs.
Mormons have a right to child brides?
So now we can add not being able to do simple arithmetic to your list of negatives? LOL
Actually she IS 26, we've been married 6 years, meaning obviously that she was 20 when we got married. Just as obviously I was 34.
As for this thread, I am shocked, shocked I tell you , that JT would take yet another shot at religion. On the "plus" side though, at least it wasn't Christians or the mean old Jews he went after this time.
PS - Hey JT i've already said on the board that if I were a Mormon I would make Chloe wife number 2.
WOW! 34-20............................must be bar gash.
I pretty sure Mormons are Christians since they do believe Christ was the son of God.
Well officially they are considered a cult.............that book of Mormon thingy and the whack job Joseph Smith.
Well officially they are considered a cult.............that book of Mormon thingy and the whack job Joseph Smith.
Officially?According to what officials? Also, all religions are cults. Some are just more successful than others.
Officially?According to what officials? Also, all religions are cults. Some are just more successful than others.
Ask anybody in the leadership of any of the mainstream "Christian" branches, they are considered a cult because they believe in a false prophet.
Are you atheist? Probably explains your "all are cults" statement................at time of death you had better be right.
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Ask anybody in the leadership of any of the mainstream "Christian" branches, they are considered a cult because they believe in a false prophet.
Are you atheist? Probably explains your "all are cults" statement................at time of death you had better be right.
I don't mean to denigrate anyone's religion, but fear is an idiotic reason to believe in God, but pretty effective for the masses.
I don't mean to denigrate anyone's religion, but fear is an idiotic reason to believe in God, but pretty effective for the masses.
You don't fear hell?
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 03:06 PM
You don't fear hell?
No, I don't fear 'hell." I think my mind will disappear when I die. I didn't mind that before I was born. I doubt I'll miss me when I'm dead.
Religion is irrelevant to me. I try to be nice to everyone I meet and engage with (except on the internet, of course!). I wouldn't be any better or worse if I believed in some God. So if I'm wrong and there is a God and he gets all pissy becz I didn't pick the right religion or even a religion and sends me to hell, I guess that makes me more of a benevolent being than God, who actually turned out to be all powerful but a pissant sonofabitch simply cz I didn't idolize him.
So yeah, I don't fear hell. Of course, I'm not much of a long term planner either. :laugh:
No, I don't fear 'hell." I think my mind will disappear when I die. I didn't mind that before I was born. I doubt I'll miss me when I'm dead.
Here's the thing, if i'm wrong no problem, nothing lost...............if you are wrong you are fucked. Willing to risk it?
Anyway on the subject of Gomer's wife.............i'm guesing she is Asian or Russian.
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 03:39 PM
Here's the thing, if i'm wrong no problem, nothing lost...............if you are wrong you are fucked. Willing to risk it?
Jeez. Living your life in fear DRIVES your belief? Sad, IMO. And yeah, I guess I'm willing to take the risk since I have for nearly 50 yrs.
Seriously, if FEAR is what makes you believe in God, you need a better system of belief. My wife and mom believe in God and get much joy and solace from it. I'm pretty sure fear isn't the solace they get.
Jeez. Living your life in fear DRIVES your belief? Sad, IMO. And yeah, I guess I'm willing to take the risk since I have for nearly 50 yrs.
Seriously, if FEAR is what makes you believe in God, you need a better system of belief. My wife and mom believe in God and get much joy and solace from it. I'm pretty sure fear isn't the solace they get.
Boy you sure do assume alot, I said, like most normal human beings that I fear hell not that I live my life in fear cuz I fear no human walking this planet currently.
Learn reading comprehension.
Why are atheists always elitists?
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 04:35 PM
Boy you sure do assume alot, I said, like most normal human beings that I fear hell not that I live my life in fear cuz I fear no human walking this planet currently.
Learn reading comprehension.
Why are atheists always elitists?
My 8 yr old daughter read your sentence and said it makes no sense (she's in the 99% percentile in reading comprehension). If you intend to have an intelligent discussion, how about posting intelligently? I know that concept may make me "elitist" in your mind, but c'est la vie (more elitiest bable by me).
But again, believing in God becz you fear what happens after you die strikes me as silly. Call me elitist, but there it is. But if I'm elitist, does that make you stupid?
My 8 yr old daughter read your sentence and said it makes no sense (she's in the 99% percentile in reading comprehension). If you intend to have an intelligent discussion, how about posting intelligently? I know that concept may make me "elitist" in your mind, but c'est la vie (more elitiest bable by me).
But again, believing in God becz you fear what happens after you die strikes me as silly. Call me elitist, but there it is. But if I'm elitist, does that make you stupid?
You've got to be fucking shitting me!
No wonder this board is in the tank.
If you cannot comprehend and you handed your genes onto your daughter............well I feel sorry for your daughter.
You are a silly little guy.
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 04:44 PM
You've got to be fucking shitting me!
No wonder this board is in the tank.
If you cannot comprehend and you handed your genes onto your daughter............well I feel sorry for your daughter.
You are a silly little guy.
Excuse me if I make logical assumptions from your statements. You asked me if I was willing to "risk" not believing in God and the negative consequences. This implies that you have a belief system that makes you think similarly (if you don't believe in God, you go to hell and that's bad). Otherwise, why would you ask the question?
So I ask you, it seems to me your belief in God is based in fear. Is that true? If not, why ask the question that started this discussion?
Excuse me if I make logical assumptions from your statements. You asked me if I was willing to "risk" not believing in God and the negative consequences. This implies that you have a belief system that makes you think similarly (if you don't believe in God, you go to hell and that's bad). Otherwise, why would you ask the question?
So I ask you, it seems to me your belief in God is based in fear. Is that true? If not, why ask the question that started this discussion?
1. You make illogical assumptions
2.I asked no question..........simply stated a fact.
3. Get things straight, they are spiraling quickly out of control for you.
Oh wait, I asked if you feared hell, a valid question when trying to discern your sanity or lack thereof.............guess I got my answer lol.
ConHog
09-01-2011, 05:17 PM
Anyway on the subject of Gomer's wife.............i'm guesing she is Asian or Russian.
That's because you are an illiterate Muppet. I have said a minimum of 50 times in this forum that my wife is Hispanic.
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 05:44 PM
Oh wait, I asked if you feared hell, a valid question when trying to discern your sanity or lack thereof.............guess I got my answer lol.
And YOU called ME elitist? :laugh:
So if I do't believe in God, I'm insane?
You really need to learn how to think IN THE BOX b4 you try to start thinking OUT OF THE BOX.
My 8 yr old could beat you in a duel to death in logic. Sad for you.
Ask anybody in the leadership of any of the mainstream "Christian" branches, they are considered a cult because they believe in a false prophet.
Are you atheist? Probably explains your "all are cults" statement................at time of death you had better be right.
I'm sure if I ask any other church, they'll say the same thing about yours.
Don't worry, I'll tell Ahura Mazda to forgive your ignorance. You made a bet and lost. I'm sure he'll understand ;)
You don't fear hell?
Do you feel Hades?
You don't want to see the Fields of Elysium?
You never want to see Valhalla? :rolleyes:
That's because you are an illiterate Muppet. I have said a minimum of 50 times in this forum that my wife is Hispanic.
Green card?
And YOU called ME elitist? :laugh:
So if I do't believe in God, I'm insane?
You really need to learn how to think IN THE BOX b4 you try to start thinking OUT OF THE BOX.
My 8 yr old could beat you in a duel to death in logic. Sad for you.
Yes.............it means you don't want to live your life by set standards, the standards set forth in the Bible are too stringent for you.............kind of weak really.
I can help you to live your life as an upstanding man though, might not be too late for an old codger like you.
I'm sure if I ask any other church, they'll say the same thing about yours.
Don't worry, I'll tell Ahura Mazda to forgive your ignorance. You made a bet and lost. I'm sure he'll understand ;)
Do you feel Hades?
You don't want to see the Fields of Elysium?
You never want to see Valhalla? :rolleyes:
No, actually they won't.
As for the rest...............................lol.
ConHog
09-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Green card?
Idiot, she's an American citizen, born in Arkansas to parents who immigrated here legally over 30 years ago.
Idiot, she's an American citizen, born in Arkansas to parents who immigrated here legally over 30 years ago.
I'm a profiler, need to see a card.
No card, no workeeeee!
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 08:29 PM
Yes.............it means you don't want to live your life by set standards, the standards set forth in the Bible are too stringent for you.............kind of weak really.
I can help you to live your life as an upstanding man though, might not be too late for an old codger like you.
Yes. I couldn't possibly live a moral life if I ignore a book that condons killing folks for adultry, homoseuality, and the like.
Someone as stupid as you, OCA, should really reconsider having a debate with anyone that can spell (that is, above the kindergarden level). I know you like to smell your own stink, but don't do in a way that everyone else has to smell it, too.
She's 36 and her family only came 'over 30 years ago'... not over 35, not over 40...
Did you marry an anchor baby?
Yes. I couldn't possibly live a moral life if I ignore a book that condons killing folks for adultry, homoseuality, and the like.
Someone as stupid as you, OCA, should really reconsider having a debate with anyone that can spell (that is, above the kindergarden level). I know you like to smell your own stink, but don't do in a way that everyone else has to smell it, too.
Killing for adultry? Got a link to that passage?
Killing for homosexuality................got a link to that passage?
Don't give me any old testament crap either, most of it null and voided by Jesus himself.
Oh and yeah................i'm saying I wouldn't trust you as far as I can spit.
ConHog
09-01-2011, 08:35 PM
She's 36 and her family only came 'over 30 years ago'... not over 35, not over 40...
Did you marry an anchor baby?
She's 26, not 36.
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 08:39 PM
Killing for adultry? Got a link to that passage?
Killing for homosexuality................got a link to that passage?
Don't give me any old testament crap either, most of it null and voided by Jesus himself.
Oh and yeah................i'm saying I wouldn't trust you as far as I can spit.
Old testament stuff, yup. And what the heck would a hater like you know about Jesus? I'm an atheist and I conform to his beliefs more than a hater like you does. At least as evidenced by your posts on this forum.
You are quite the lover, not the fighter. :laugh: (Sarcasm)
Old testament stuff, yup. And what the heck would a hater like you know about Jesus? I'm an atheist and I conform to his beliefs more than a hater like you does. At least as evidenced by your posts on this forum.
You are quite the lover, not the fighter. :laugh: (Sarcasm)
Yep.............a hater.
Is that what you call someone who stands firm in their beliefs nowadays?
I knew you were gonna bring up the Jewish New Testament stuff..............weak.
Atheists conform to nothing more that moral relativity.
Missileman
09-01-2011, 08:58 PM
Yes.............it means you don't want to live your life by set standards, the standards set forth in the Bible are too stringent for you.............kind of weak really.
I can help you to live your life as an upstanding man though, might not be too late for an old codger like you.
For a self-proclaimed mental giant, you're nothing more than an ignorant little prick. Just because someone doesn't live by your standards (the musings of some wasted ancient raghead goatherds) doesn't mean they don't have any standards.
ConHog
09-01-2011, 09:08 PM
For a self-proclaimed mental giant, you're nothing more than an ignorant little prick. Just because someone doesn't live by your standards (the musings of some wasted ancient raghead goatherds) doesn't mean they don't have any standards.
I've said this for years. I DO believe a Christian is more likely to be a moral person than an theist, But being an atheist certainly doesn't mean you don't have morals.
Atheists conform to nothing more that moral relativity.
:lol:
Right after dismissing God's laws as too old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900
KartRacerBoy
09-01-2011, 09:26 PM
I've said this for years. I DO believe a Christian is more likely to be a moral person than an theist, But being an atheist certainly doesn't mean you don't have morals.
Of course I have much more data on believers in god that in professed non-believers, but so many people claim to believe in God and then treat others like jerks. Of course atheists do the same thing but it's difficult to find out who is an atheist and so there would be less data.
People can rationalize anything. Religion is used for good and ill. People who have no religion do both good and ill. In the great majority of people, I think how they behave has nothing to do with their religion or lack thereof. They will rationalize their good or bad behavior according to their belief system and proceed.
I consider the Jeff Goldblum assertion in "The Big Chill" to be the one great piece of wisdom ever uttered on this earth. "Everyone needs five juicy rationalizations just to get through a day."
Missileman
09-01-2011, 10:14 PM
I've said this for years. I DO believe a Christian is more likely to be a moral person than an theist, But being an atheist certainly doesn't mean you don't have morals.
I don't share that belief. Based on demographics of the US, it has to be highly likely that the vast majority of criminals, adulterers, drunks, drug abusers, etc, are Christian. I guess it begs the question, "Are unfollowed morals of any more value than no morals at all?"
ConHog
09-01-2011, 10:43 PM
I don't share that belief. Based on demographics of the US, it has to be highly likely that the vast majority of criminals, adulterers, drunks, drug abusers, etc, are Christian. I guess it begs the question, "Are unfollowed morals of any more value than no morals at all?"
No sir, just because someone claims to be a Christian, does not mean they really are. Do Christians mess up and occasionally do the things you listed? Of course, but the people who make a life out of that type of behavior are NOT Christians, no matter what they say.
Missileman
09-02-2011, 06:03 AM
No sir, just because someone claims to be a Christian, does not mean they really are. Do Christians mess up and occasionally do the things you listed? Of course, but the people who make a life out of that type of behavior are NOT Christians, no matter what they say.
Even if you fallaciously exclude habitual criminals, Christians still wind up with the majority of offenses...there's no way statistically to avoid it.
ConHog
09-02-2011, 08:27 AM
Even if you fallaciously exclude habitual criminals, Christians still wind up with the majority of offenses...there's no way statistically to avoid it.
Only if you count traffic violations and other such silliness. There is noway you can honestly believe that Christians make up most of the criminals in the the US today.
KartRacerBoy
09-02-2011, 08:31 AM
Only if you count traffic violations and other such silliness. There is noway you can honestly believe that Christians make up most of the criminals in the the US today.
He's right, ConHog. You're wrong on this one. Unless you want a ridiculously narrow definition of Christian, that is.
fj1200
09-02-2011, 08:53 AM
I'm an atheist and I conform to his beliefs more than a hater like you does. At least as evidenced by your posts on this forum.
Is this what you're looking for?
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
Is that what you call someone who stands firm in their beliefs nowadays?
Does that sound like one of your posts?
I love finding people who are all 'this person who did that thing isn't really a Christian because I say so' xD
Gunny
09-02-2011, 10:15 AM
Mormons have a right to child brides?
I'd say the law is pretty clear on the subject and doesn't need nor care about your politicizing it to take yet another ass-backward, retarded cheap shot at religion.
Hell, as smart as you think you are, you're STILL too dumb to come to grips with the fact that your hatred and continual propagandizing fits the definition of religion to a f-ing "t".
ConHog
09-02-2011, 12:10 PM
He's right, ConHog. You're wrong on this one. Unless you want a ridiculously narrow definition of Christian, that is.
He's right, or you agree with his opinion? Because I see NO WAY that you can conclusively prove that Christians account for most of the wrong doers in this country.
KartRacerBoy
09-02-2011, 12:25 PM
He's right, or you agree with his opinion? Because I see NO WAY that you can conclusively prove that Christians account for most of the wrong doers in this country.
Obviously it comes down to one's definition of what a christian is. If you define a christian as one who professes christian beliefs, that's a big crowd in this country and by far the majority. Perhaps I'm misreading your position but you seem to want to limit the definition of christians to those who ALWAYS act according to christian morals and beliefs (ie, if they commit a crime they aren't christian). Dear God (pun intended), that would restrict the group to 10 or 12 people in this nation (none of whom would be priests). The truth is that people act in ways contradictory to their belief system everyday both in small and little ways. It's called pragmaticism. They may not even recogonize they are doing it and will claim you're insane if you point out the contradiction. Hence my earlier reference to Jeff Goldblum's "5 juicy rationalizations a day" line from the Big Chill movie.
Now if we go with what I perceive to be your definition of christian (acting unchristian makes one unchristian), then you are correct. Most lawbreakers aren't christians. However, I think that people act against their own pofessed belief system pretty regularly and somehow rationalize it. That's what humans do. We hate to be inconvenienced by an idea we profess to believe if it's impractical to the moment.
Christians are, of all the religions in this nation, by far the majority of the population. I bet law violators are generally proportional to their religious proportion. That would make Christians the biggest violators of the law if you accept my definition of Christian.
ConHog
09-02-2011, 12:51 PM
Obviously it comes down to one's definition of what a christian is. If you define a christian as one who professes christian beliefs, that's a big crowd in this country and by far the majority. Perhaps I'm misreading your position but you seem to want to limit the definition of christians to those who ALWAYS act according to christian morals and beliefs (ie, if they commit a crime they aren't christian). Dear God (pun intended), that would restrict the group to 10 or 12 people in this nation (none of whom would be priests). The truth is that people act in ways contradictory to their belief system everyday both in small and little ways. It's called pragmaticism. They may not even recogonize they are doing it and will claim you're insane if you point out the contradiction. Hence my earlier reference to Jeff Goldblum's "5 juicy rationalizations a day" line from the Big Chill movie.
Now if we go with what I perceive to be your definition of christian (acting unchristian makes one unchristian), then you are correct. Most lawbreakers aren't christians. However, I think that people act against their own pofessed belief system pretty regularly and somehow rationalize it. That's what humans do. We hate to be inconvenienced by an idea we profess to believe if it's impractical to the moment.
Christians are, of all the religions in this nation, by far the majority of the population. I bet law violators are generally proportional to their religious proportion. That would make Christians the biggest violators of the law if you accept my definition of Christian.
fully 1/2 of the American population will self identify as Christians if asked, you and I both know that that isn't an accurate reflection though. So yes, I would concede that most of the wrong doing done in this cuontry is done by people who self identify as Christians.
KartRacerBoy
09-02-2011, 12:58 PM
fully 1/2 of the American population will self identify as Christians if asked, you and I both know that that isn't an accurate reflection though. So yes, I would concede that most of the wrong doing done in this cuontry is done by people who self identify as Christians.
VICTORY!!! (Dances around house in tighty whities) :dance: :laugh:
I'd say the law is pretty clear on the subject
So they don't have a right to child brides? Then what 'rights' are we sticking our nose in by not letting them marry children, exactly?
You can't have it both ways.
Wither you're a fucking moron who thinks they have a right to child brides or you're an idiot who has to retract you're retarded attempt to attack me for criticizing the practice of marrying children.
Gunny
09-02-2011, 04:32 PM
So they don't have a right to child brides? Then what 'rights' are we sticking our nose in by not letting them marry children, exactly?
You can't have it both ways.
Wither you're a fucking moron who thinks they have a right to child brides or you're an idiot who has to retract you're retarded attempt to attack me for criticizing the practice of marrying children.
Idiot. Try addressing something I said, punk.
I took a jab at ConHog for saying his wife was 'actually young' and at Mormons for their practice of marrying young children.
You said I was sticking my nose in their rights. Hence, you think they have a right to child brides.
Or are you retracting your idiotic and blind attack?
Missileman
09-02-2011, 04:51 PM
Only if you count traffic violations and other such silliness. There is noway you can honestly believe that Christians make up most of the criminals in the the US today.
I'm not sure of how accurate the numbers are, but the subject came up on the news today in regards to the 9/11 ceremony. They said that 85% of the US identify themselves as Christian with 65% saying religion is a large part of their life.
Of course self-identified Christians make up most of the criminals, they're an overwhelming majority of the population. That's just duh. The question is whether self-identified Christians commit more or less crime than other religious groups per capita
Abbey Marie
09-02-2011, 05:51 PM
Of course self-identified Christians make up most of the criminals, they're an overwhelming majority of the population. That's just duh. The question is whether self-identified Christians commit more or less crime than other religious groups per capita
Yup. And then you have account for age, race, gender, etc. It would be difficult to exclude all other factors, in order to select being Christian as the reason for the crime.
Missileman
09-02-2011, 06:00 PM
Yup. And then you have account for age, race, gender, etc. It would be difficult to exclude all other factors, in order to select being Christian as the reason for the crime.
No one was suggesting that...actually just the opposite, but pretty sure that theory has been shown lacking.
KartRacerBoy
09-02-2011, 06:29 PM
Yup. And then you have account for age, race, gender, etc. It would be difficult to exclude all other factors, in order to select being Christian as the reason for the crime.
I don't think anyone was saying the cause of the criminality was a particular religion, christianity. On the other hand, I doubt any religious belief leads to a lesser crime rate. Humans are humans, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or atheist. Each group will have their fair share of idiots, assholes, and nice people.
DragonStryk72
09-03-2011, 12:30 AM
I love finding people who are all 'this person who did that thing isn't really a Christian because I say so' xD
It's like those guys who claim to be "gamers", but don't actually play games, or at most, dabbled a little bit, but still refer to themselves as "hardcore". I didn't start calling myself a gamer, I simply fit the general description of such.
The same is true of almost anything these days. People will claim to be something that they clearly are not, simply to fit in, or to make other believe they are better than they really are.
It's like those guys who claim to be "gamers", but don't actually play games, or at most, dabbled a little bit, but still refer to themselves as "hardcore". I didn't start calling myself a gamer, I simply fit the general description of such.
The same is true of almost anything these days. People will claim to be something that they clearly are not, simply to fit in, or to make other believe they are better than they really are.
You just can't find a true Scotsman anymore...
PostmodernProphet
09-03-2011, 07:20 AM
Well officially they are considered a cult.............that book of Mormon thingy and the whack job Joseph Smith.
a hundred years ago.......you can't have a million plus members and be a "cult".......
a hundred years ago.......you can't have a million plus members and be a "cult".......
Who said you can't?
KartRacerBoy
09-03-2011, 08:19 AM
What makes Mormons any more crazy than any other religious believer? Just be cz their alleged prophet is more modern? Why is 2000 yr old religion any better? More people believe in it?
I find religious people decrying other religions as rediculous or "just a cult" pretty absurd given where they're coming from. Pottle to Kettle. Come in Kettle!
DragonStryk72
09-03-2011, 09:18 AM
You just can't find a true Scotsman anymore...
Wouldn't know, I'm Irish not scottish
Abbey Marie
09-03-2011, 10:09 AM
No one was suggesting that...actually just the opposite, but pretty sure that theory has been shown lacking.
The implication seems to be that being Christian makes you at least as likely to commit crimes as not. I would disagree with that implication, and the reasons I stated above make it highly unlikely that anyone can prove otherwise.
I would also agree with whomever stated that it depends on how true a Christian we are talking about. A Bible- believing/following Christian, a main line denominational "Progressive" Christian, or even a C&E Christian?
Missileman
09-03-2011, 10:43 AM
The implication seems to be that being Christian makes you at least as likely to commit crimes as not. I would disagree with that implication, and the reasons I stated above make it highly unlikely that anyone can prove otherwise.
I would also agree with whomever stated that it depends on how true a Christian we are talking about. A Bible- believing/following Christian, a main line denominational "Progressive" Christian, or even a C&E Christian?
The implication is that being Christian makes you no less likely to commit crimes than anyone else, religious or not. As for defining what a "true" Christian is, I thought Christ himself already had with "whosoever believeth in me". I could be wrong.
ConHog
09-03-2011, 01:02 PM
I took a jab at ConHog for saying his wife was 'actually young' and at Mormons for their practice of marrying young children.
You said I was sticking my nose in their rights. Hence, you think they have a right to child brides.
Or are you retracting your idiotic and blind attack?
Young is relative you moron. To a 30 year 26 isn't young, but too a 40 year old a 26 year old wife is young. That is ALL I said. I never uttered a word about having a child bride.
But you being the dishonest piece of shit you are had to post as if that is exactly what I said.
ConHog
09-03-2011, 01:04 PM
I'm not sure of how accurate the numbers are, but the subject came up on the news today in regards to the 9/11 ceremony. They said that 85% of the US identify themselves as Christian with 65% saying religion is a large part of their life.
That was kind of the point I was making. I think we both realize that 8 out of 10 Americans aren't CHristians whether they say they are or not. It's kind of like JT claiming he's not a racist. I mean he can say whatever he wants, but his actions show clearly that he is.
Missileman
09-03-2011, 01:39 PM
I think we both realize that 8 out of 10 Americans aren't CHristians whether they say they are or not.
I'd say that determination is way over your pay grade. If someone says they believe in Jesus, I've no reason to doubt them.
ConHog
09-03-2011, 02:00 PM
I'd say that determination is way over your pay grade. If someone says they believe in Jesus, I've no reason to doubt them.
Just believing in Jesus doesn't make someone a Christian my friend. Just the same as doing good works alone isn't enough. You must do both.
KartRacerBoy
09-03-2011, 02:03 PM
NOW this thread gets moved to steel cage? A day late and a dollar short. :laugh:
NOW this thread gets moved to steel cage? A day late and a dollar short. :laugh:
Its been here for at least two days.
Young is relative you moron. To a 30 year 26 isn't young, but too a 40 year old a 26 year old wife is young. That is ALL I said. I never uttered a word about having a child bride.
But you being the dishonest piece of shit you are had to post as if that is exactly what I said.
Damn, you're defensive, brah :laugh:
T I think we both realize that 8 out of 10 Americans aren't CHristians whether they say they are or not.
You get to decide whether people really believe their bible and their stated religion or not? You bigoted religion basher! :lol:
Missileman
09-03-2011, 03:24 PM
You get to decide whether people really believe their bible and their stated religion or not? You bigoted religion basher! :lol:
He's a self-appointed judge, jury, and inquisitioner.
Abbey Marie
09-03-2011, 03:59 PM
The implication is that being Christian makes you no less likely to commit crimes than anyone else, religious or not. As for defining what a "true" Christian is, I thought Christ himself already had with "whosoever believeth in me". I could be wrong.
"Believing in Him" requires much more than a nod to his existence. For example, I had a close relative who would go to Methodist church every Sunday his whole life, and even volunteered at the church every week. But when asked, would tell you he didn't even believe in Christ's ressurection.
He self-identified as a Christian, though. See what I mean?
jimnyc
09-03-2011, 04:29 PM
NOW this thread gets moved to steel cage? A day late and a dollar short. :laugh:
I believe I was one of the first to reply, just after JT started it, and it was in here when I did so.
Missileman
09-03-2011, 05:46 PM
"Believing in Him" requires much more than a nod to his existence.
Required by whom?
Abbey Marie
09-04-2011, 12:02 PM
Required by whom?
Sigh. Read the New Testament with an open heart and mind, and it will be abundantly clear.
Missileman
09-04-2011, 01:15 PM
Sigh. Read the New Testament with an open heart and mind, and it will be abundantly clear.
LOL...what could possibly make you believe that further reading of the NT would lead me to a conclusion other than my current one? Besides, I asked YOU a simple question that should have a very short simple answer. If you're unable or unwilling to answer it, just say so. If I'd wanted my own answer to the question, I would have asked myself.
Abbey Marie
09-04-2011, 03:16 PM
LOL...what could possibly make you believe that further reading of the NT would lead me to a conclusion other than my current one? Besides, I asked YOU a simple question that should have a very short simple answer. If you're unable or unwilling to answer it, just say so. If I'd wanted my own answer to the question, I would have asked myself.
A second reading with, as I said, an open heart and mind. Without that, nothing I or anyone says will matter. [shrug]
Gunny
09-05-2011, 08:37 AM
A second reading with, as I said, an open heart and mind. Without that, nothing I or anyone says will matter. [shrug]
And it never does matter. His mind is closed to the topic. He has spent years zeroing in on anything that speaks of religion, just to foist his same baseless argument on others. He doesn't get the simple fact it's a two-way street. I haven't seen him change a single mind in 6 plus years. Just argue the same, tired stuff that was wrong the first time, and every time since.
ConHog
09-05-2011, 02:00 PM
Required by whom?
Isn't that obvious? Required by Him of course. He has it made it quite clear that merely saying " I believe in You" isn't enough to gain Heaven. Not any more than doing good works is enough, it requires both.
Missileman
09-05-2011, 05:19 PM
And it never does matter. His mind is closed to the topic. He has spent years zeroing in on anything that speaks of religion, just to foist his same baseless argument on others. He doesn't get the simple fact it's a two-way street. I haven't seen him change a single mind in 6 plus years. Just argue the same, tired stuff that was wrong the first time, and every time since.
What a crock of bullshit. Your estimation that my opinion has been reached willy nilly and that further contemplation on the matter is all that's required to reach YOUR conclusion is fucking worthless. As for changing minds, you're no better at it than I am. Sucks to be us, don't it?
KartRacerBoy
09-05-2011, 05:30 PM
What a crock of bullshit. Your estimation that my opinion has been reached willy nilly and that further contemplation on the matter is all that's required to reach YOUR conclusion is fucking worthless. As for changing minds, you're no better at it than I am. Sucks to be us, don't it?
As far as changing minds goes, I thing it suck to ANY OF US on this forum.
Nor do I think the minds of folks has changed much. I'm currently slogging through a book on the states ratification of the Constitution, and the shit the various parties flung at each other, the intransigence at the ratifying state conventions, seems little different than today's political atmosphere (other than the 24 hr news cycle). Few changed their minds then in political discourse and few change now.
And neither side is better than the other, no matter how much they think they are.
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