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Little-Acorn
09-08-2011, 12:00 PM
A three-judge panel (all three appointed by Dems, two by Obama) of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals said today that since the State of Virginia does not have "a personal stake" in the issue, it can't sue to restrict or stop Obamacare. No decision was made regarding whether Obamacare itself was unconstitutional - only that the State of Virginia was technically not allowed to sue on the grounds it named.

A humorous interlude occurred as "The judges seemed concerned during oral arguments that allowing his suit to proceed would essentially allow the states to exempt themselves from whatever federal laws they might choose".

The judged apparently didn't notice that the states were only concerned with getting away from laws that were UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Such laws are, of course, null and void from the start. But some judges apparently need a lot of learning to catch up.


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http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/legal-challenges/180231-appeals-court-dismisses-key-challenge-to-healthcare-law

Appeals court shoots down Virginia's healthcare challenge
By Sam Baker - 09/08/11 12:11 PM ET

A federal appeals court on Thursday dismissed one of the highest-profile challenges to President Obama's healthcare reform law.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals said Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) does not have a legal right to sue over the law's requirement that most people buy insurance. The court vacated a lower court's ruling in the case and instructed the lower court to dismiss the suit.

The Supreme Court is almost certain to have the final say on whether the coverage mandate is constitutional. Most legal observers expect the court to hear arguments during the term that begins in October, and rule in the summer of 2012.

The 4th Circuit’s long-awaited decision isn’t a huge surprise: those who attended oral arguments in the suits said the judges seemed skeptical of the mandate’s critics, especially Cuccinelli. All three of the judges who heard the case were appointed by Democratic presidents, and two were appointed by Obama.

The mandate has a mixed record in federal appeals courts. The 6th Circuit upheld the requirement in a June decision, while the 11th Circuit — which heard the high-profile challenge filed by 26 state attorneys general — ruled that the mandate is unconstitutional.

Unlike those 26 states, Cuccinelli sued on the grounds that enforcing the mandate would violate Virginia law. As Congress moved closer to passing healthcare reform, Virginia enacted a law that says state residents can’t be forced to purchase insurance.

But the 4th Circuit panel said Virginia does not have standing to sue over the mandate because it lacks a "personal stake" in the issue.

The judges seemed concerned during oral arguments that allowing his suit to proceed would essentially allow the states to exempt themselves from whatever federal laws they might choose.

KartRacerBoy
09-08-2011, 12:05 PM
Standing means the plaintiff has to have some stake in the judicial outcome. However, I would think that states that had to implement and help pay for a govt program would have standing. This strikes me as a strange decision although I haven't read it.

I will note that the party affliation of a judge is only notd by the side that loses. If Repulblicans win a case and the judge was an R, it's not mentioned by them. Same for Dems. It's kind of sad.

ConHog
09-08-2011, 12:12 PM
A three-judge panel (all three appointed by Dems, two by Obama) of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals said today that since the State of Virginia does not have "a personal stake" in the issue, it can't sue to restrict or stop Obamacare. No decision was made regarding whether Obamacare itself was unconstitutional - only that the State of Virginia was technically not allowed to sue on the grounds it named.

A humorous interlude occurred as "The judges seemed concerned during oral arguments that allowing his suit to proceed would essentially allow the states to exempt themselves from whatever federal laws they might choose".

The judged apparently didn't notice that the states were only concerned with getting away from laws that were UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Such laws are, of course, null and void from the start. But some judges apparently need a lot of learning to catch up.


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http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/legal-challenges/180231-appeals-court-dismisses-key-challenge-to-healthcare-law

Appeals court shoots down Virginia's healthcare challenge
By Sam Baker - 09/08/11 12:11 PM ET

A federal appeals court on Thursday dismissed one of the highest-profile challenges to President Obama's healthcare reform law.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals said Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) does not have a legal right to sue over the law's requirement that most people buy insurance. The court vacated a lower court's ruling in the case and instructed the lower court to dismiss the suit.

The Supreme Court is almost certain to have the final say on whether the coverage mandate is constitutional. Most legal observers expect the court to hear arguments during the term that begins in October, and rule in the summer of 2012.

The 4th Circuit’s long-awaited decision isn’t a huge surprise: those who attended oral arguments in the suits said the judges seemed skeptical of the mandate’s critics, especially Cuccinelli. All three of the judges who heard the case were appointed by Democratic presidents, and two were appointed by Obama.

The mandate has a mixed record in federal appeals courts. The 6th Circuit upheld the requirement in a June decision, while the 11th Circuit — which heard the high-profile challenge filed by 26 state attorneys general — ruled that the mandate is unconstitutional.

Unlike those 26 states, Cuccinelli sued on the grounds that enforcing the mandate would violate Virginia law. As Congress moved closer to passing healthcare reform, Virginia enacted a law that says state residents can’t be forced to purchase insurance.

But the 4th Circuit panel said Virginia does not have standing to sue over the mandate because it lacks a "personal stake" in the issue.

The judges seemed concerned during oral arguments that allowing his suit to proceed would essentially allow the states to exempt themselves from whatever federal laws they might choose.


Well then, Virgina is retarded. Federal law supersedes states law, not the other way around.

Little-Acorn
09-08-2011, 12:29 PM
Federal law supersedes states law,

Not when the Federal law is unconstitutional, as Obamacare is.

ConHog
09-08-2011, 03:04 PM
Not when the Federal law is unconstitutional, as Obamacare is.

First I am against ObamaCare, but the constitutionality of it has yet to be determined. Second there are procedures for questioning the constitutionality of a federal law, passing a state law that contradicts said federal law is NOT that procedure. Federal law ALWAYS supersedes state law and unless and until the Supreme Court rules a federal law unconstitutional it is in fact the law of the land.