TX High School Students Made to Recite Mexican National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance

[red states rule]

Another teacher using race to bait and brainwash our kids. I wonder if teachers in their French language class make their students do the same thing?





Students in a Texas public high school were made to stand up and recite the Mexican national anthem and Mexican pledge of allegiance as part of a Spanish class assignment, but the school district maintains there was nothing wrong with the lesson.

It happened last month in an intermediate Spanish class at Achieve Early College High School in McAllen, Texas — a city located about 10 miles from the U.S.-Mexico border.

Wearing red, white and green, students had to memorize the Mexican anthem and pledge and stand up and recite them in individually in front of the class.

That didn’t go over well with sophomore Brenda Brinsdon. The 15-year-old sat down and refused to participate. She also caught it all on video:


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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blaze-exclusive-tx-high-school-students-made-to-recite-mexican-national-anthem-pledge-of-allegiance/comment-page-31/?corder=desc#comments

[logroller]

Another teacher using race to bait and brainwash our kids. I wonder if teachers in their French language class make their students do the same thing?
I thought almost the same thing, only german.

http://youtu.be/JiwdUFpC2XU

[Abbey Marie]

Having them stand to recite, moves this out of the arena of education, and into the category of showing patriotism towards a country than our own.
:lame2:

[ConHog]

Another teacher using race to bait and brainwash our kids. I wonder if teachers in their French language class make their students do the same thing?

When I was in high school French we said the Pledge to the US flag in French to start every class.

[Thunderknuckles]

When I was in high school French we said the Pledge to the US flag in French to start every class.
Well, that would make too much sense for the teachers at this school. Besides, they have an agenda to pursue.

[ConHog]

Well, that would make too much sense for the teachers at this school. Besides, they have an agenda to pursue.

Oh, and if a parent ever complains about the Pledge being said before class.......................... IF it's the US flag that is.

[red states rule]

Glenn Bck interviews the dad of the girl who taped this, and refused to say the Mexican pledge


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[logroller]

This is out of control people--First a US school teacher has HS students recite the mexican pledge of allegiance, then RSR sides with a Glenn Beck story-- if Obama wins a second term I think we're approaching the end of days.

[red states rule]

This is out of control people--First a US school teacher has HS students recite the mexican pledge of allegiance, then RSR sides with a Glenn Beck story-- if Obama wins a second term I think we're approaching the end of days.

What beef do you have with my post? It was an interview with the girl's father.

[Psychoblues]

Did anyone note the name and nature of the school? Achieve Early College High School. Obviously by a wide margin most of the students there are prettty smart and not taken in by hateful and ignorant nationalism. Only one student complained and that is her right. But, why is she upset that others aren't sharing her idiocies? It's freaking Spanish class. That means it is an elective. She took it. I would end her participation there and give her an "I" for incomplete or an "F" for failure to comprehend the basic premise of learning about a foreign culture and language and warn her to be more careful in the future for choosing her electives. Other students more open and intelligent may be wanting or needing that chair.

Psychoblues

[ConHog]

Did anyone note the name and nature of the school? Achieve Early College High School. Obviously by a wide margin most of the students there are prettty smart and not taken in by hateful and ignorant nationalism. Only one student complained and that is her right. But, why is she upset that others aren't sharing her idiocies? It's freaking Spanish class. That means it is an elective. She took it. I would end her participation there and give her an "I" for incomplete or an "F" for failure to comprehend the basic premise of learning about a foreign culture and language and warn her to be more careful in the future for choosing her electives. Other students more open and intelligent may be wanting or needing that chair.

Psychoblues


Funny. I would have told the teacher that this is the USA and we don't ever not even as an elective pledge our allegiance to another flag and that if it happened again said teacher would be fired.

PS There is a reason we don't let 16 and 17 year old kids vote on how their classes are taught.

[Psychoblues]

Funny. I would have told the teacher that this is the USA and we don't ever not even as an elective pledge our allegiance to another flag and that if it happened again said teacher would be fired.

PS There is a reason we don't let 16 and 17 year old kids vote on how their classes are taught.

Exactly, so what is your bitch again? The rest of your post is unintelligible and unworthy of any comment by me.

Psychoblues

[ConHog]

Exactly, so what is your bitch again? The rest of your post is unintelligible and unworthy of any comment by me.

Psychoblues


Translation:

I've been hitting the sauce again and can't really think of a reasonable explanation for why a teacher would ask his/her students to pledge their allegiance to a foreign flag.


By the way idiot. It is YOU who said that since most students didn't complain it's okay that this happened. Sorry but, we don't teach our kids based on what they don't complain about.

[Thunderknuckles]

Did anyone note the name and nature of the school? Achieve Early College High School. Obviously by a wide margin most of the students there are prettty smart and not taken in by hateful and ignorant nationalism. Only one student complained and that is her right. But, why is she upset that others aren't sharing her idiocies? It's freaking Spanish class. That means it is an elective. She took it. I would end her participation there and give her an "I" for incomplete or an "F" for failure to comprehend the basic premise of learning about a foreign culture and language and warn her to be more careful in the future for choosing her electives. Other students more open and intelligent may be wanting or needing that chair.

Psychoblues
Give her an "F" because she refuses to recite the pledge allegiance to a foreign nation? I very highly doubt you would advocate the same for kids who refuse to recite the U.S. pledge of allegiance.

[ConHog]

Give her an "F" because she refuses to recite the pledge allegiance to a foreign nation? I very highly doubt you would advocate the same for kids who refuse to recite the U.S. pledge of allegiance.


I actually hope that PB doesn't really believe in what he's spouting here and instead is just playing devil's advocate. Otherwise he stupid.

[Psychoblues]

Give her an "F" because she refuses to recite the pledge allegiance to a foreign nation? I very highly doubt you would advocate the same for kids who refuse to recite the U.S. pledge of allegiance.

By the standards of Texas education ccurriculum the teacher was perfectly within her responsibilities to ask the students to recite anything in that language she thought might better assist them in understanding the culture. Much here ado about nothing. The little girl couldn't handle the diversity. She has no right to demand the same of her classmates. Her dad is equally as dumb. Comprende'?

Psychoblues

[ConHog]

By the standards of Texas education ccurriculum the teacher was perfectly within her responsibilities to ask the students to recite anything in that language she thought might better assist them in understanding the culture. Much here ado about nothing. The little girl couldn't handle the diversity. She has no right to demand the same of her classmates. Her dad is equally as dumb. Comprende'?

Psychoblues

So then a spanish porn novel would have been okay to read?

[Psychoblues]

So then a spanish porn novel would have been okay to read?

Dumbass. You continue to attempt to derail this thread. The state of Texas controls the curriculum and the standards. If Spanish porn is part of that and the teacher is game, I am certain the high school students would appreciate the advanced education. I know I would've been.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Psychoblues

[ConHog]

Dumbass. You continue to attempt to derail this thread. The state of Texas controls the curriculum and the standards. If Spanish porn is part of that and the teacher is game, I am certain the high school students would appreciate the advanced education. I know I would've been.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Psychoblues

Your statement was that the TEACHER has the right to control the curriculum. That statement is incorrect. Teachers teach within guidelines. THIS discussion is in fact about where those guidelines should be. Why you wish to suppress those who disagree with you is obvious.

Troll

[Missileman]

Did anyone note the name and nature of the school? Achieve Early College High School. Obviously by a wide margin most of the students there are prettty smart and not taken in by hateful and ignorant nationalism. Only one student complained and that is her right. But, why is she upset that others aren't sharing her idiocies? It's freaking Spanish class. That means it is an elective. She took it. I would end her participation there and give her an "I" for incomplete or an "F" for failure to comprehend the basic premise of learning about a foreign culture and language and warn her to be more careful in the future for choosing her electives. Other students more open and intelligent may be wanting or needing that chair.

Psychoblues Another poster correctly pointed out that reciting the US Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish would have been appropriate. It's not the language, but the content that is of concern.

[ConHog]

Another poster correctly pointed out that reciting the US Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish would have been appropriate. It's not the language, but the content that is of concern.

The saddest part of all is that if a teacher were making her students pledge to the US flag before class everyday I have ZERO doubt that PB would be on here bitching about it.

[logroller]

Another poster correctly pointed out that reciting the US Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish would have been appropriate. It's not the language, but the content that is of concern.
I don't have problem with the Mexican National Anthem being learned and recited. I can see how some cultural understanding is implicit within its wording, but it bears no solemn commitment-- unlike reciting a PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE; which the school district has failed to communicate the true meaning of our Pledge of Allegiance.

http://youtu.be/TZBTyTWOZCM

http://youtu.be/3Jf3MQpffBc

[Kathianne]

I don't have problem with the Mexican National Anthem being learned and recited. I can see how some cultural understanding is implicit within its wording, but it bears no solemn commitment-- unlike reciting a PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE; which the school district has failed to communicate the true meaning of our Pledge of Allegiance.

I have a problem with it being required or graded. If my child has the right to not stand or say our own Pledge, then no way do they need to another country's.

[logroller]

I have a problem with it being required or graded. If my child has the right to not stand or say our own Pledge, then no way do they need to another country's.

Reciting it ---me too. I think it is important to understand what one is pledging if they are to choose, rather or not, to do it. My take on the story thus far is that the students had little recognition of what they were saying or the implications-- do they understand all the words, how it came to be, what historical and cultural influences have lead to it being what it is today? I highly doubt it; I'd bet they treated it more like a verse to a folk song; with very little background into the underlying meaning of each word or phrase-- thus little cultural introspective, as they claim it was meant to convey.

[Thunderknuckles]

My take on the story thus far is that the students had little recognition of what they were saying or the implications--
Everyone except the girl who had recognition. Sorry Logroller, I will not believe that there was only 1 kid in that class that understood what they were being asked to do. I do believe there was only one kid in that class that had the courage to stand up.

[Kathianne]

Reciting it ---me too. I think it is important to understand what one is pledging if they are to choose, rather or not, to do it. My take on the story thus far is that the students had little recognition of what they were saying or the implications-- do they understand all the words, how it came to be, what historical and cultural influences have lead to it being what it is today? I highly doubt it; I'd bet they treated it more like a verse to a folk song; with very little background into the underlying meaning of each word or phrase-- thus little cultural introspective, as they claim it was meant to convey.

Nonsense. If the point was to understand the US Pledge, that wouldn't be in Spanish curriculum. If the point was to memorize something in Spanish, by requirement, then it shouldn't be the Mexican Pledge, since our children have a right not to do so with our own. Besides that, the Spanish, Brazilians, etc., might well take offense.

[logroller]

Everyone except the girl who had recognition. Sorry Logroller, I will not believe that there was only 1 kid in that class that understood what they were being asked to do. I do believe there was only one kid in that class that had the courage to stand up.


Nonsense. If the point was to understand the US Pledge, that wouldn't be in Spanish curriculum. If the point was to memorize something in Spanish, by requirement, then it shouldn't be the Mexican Pledge, since our children have a right not to do so with our own. Besides that, the Spanish, Brazilians, etc., might well take offense.

GD peeps. I know; kinda playing the devil's advocate here. The defense of the school district was that learning about the cultural heritage is part of the curriculum. I doubt the students had any understanding about what the words and phrases mean, how they came be, how the culture of Mexico is reflected in those words. Standing up and reciting it don't deliver unto the speaker a better understanding of what is being said-- ergo, no cultural interest exists-- that's my point.

[logroller]

Nonsense. If the point was to understand the US Pledge, that wouldn't be in Spanish curriculum. If the point was to memorize something in Spanish, by requirement, then it shouldn't be the Mexican Pledge, since our children have a right not to do so with our own. Besides that, the Spanish, Brazilians, etc., might well take offense.
Well Brazilians speak Portuguese, so I don't know how culturally viable their practices would be in a spanish class. And I can tell you from 4 years of spanish classes, it's not spanish (from Spain) that schools teach. We never learned the vosotros (2nd person familiar) ie "y'all" form of verb conjugation; which is not part of Mexican spanish, but is in Spain. So they should be offended anyways. Maybe that's why they stopped sending their 'care packages' with disease-infected blankets, nothing familial about it.

[red states rule]

Did anyone note the name and nature of the school? Achieve Early College High School. Obviously by a wide margin most of the students there are prettty smart and not taken in by hateful and ignorant nationalism. Only one student complained and that is her right. But, why is she upset that others aren't sharing her idiocies? It's freaking Spanish class. That means it is an elective. She took it. I would end her participation there and give her an "I" for incomplete or an "F" for failure to comprehend the basic premise of learning about a foreign culture and language and warn her to be more careful in the future for choosing her electives. Other students more open and intelligent may be wanting or needing that chair.

Psychoblues

Sorry PB you are wrong - as usual




According to the state’s Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/rules/tac/chapter114/ch114c.html) standards, students are expected to gain “knowledge and understanding” of other cultures and use the language to demonstrate understanding of different practices and perspectives. There are no specific requirements about learning to recite pledges or anthems.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blaze-exclusive-tx-high-school-students-made-to-recite-mexican-national-anthem-pledge-of-allegiance/

[red states rule]

Dumbass. You continue to attempt to derail this thread. The state of Texas controls the curriculum and the standards. If Spanish porn is part of that and the teacher is game, I am certain the high school students would appreciate the advanced education. I know I would've been.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Psychoblues

Is teaching students that part of the US is land we stole from Mexico Ok with you PB? This teacher did it last year




William described how he was surprised when Brenda told him about the assignment, how he contacted several school officials and never got any promised calls back, and even revealed another disturbing case of some shocking claims.

“The indoctrination of this stuff is going on all the time down here,” he said. “And also last year she was told in her Spanish class that this land was stolen from Mexico, yada, yada, was told to be quiet through the class.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/glenn-interviews-dad-of-tx-girl-who-refused-to-recite-mexican-pledge-in-class/

[Gunny]

Did anyone note the name and nature of the school? Achieve Early College High School. Obviously by a wide margin most of the students there are prettty smart and not taken in by hateful and ignorant nationalism. Only one student complained and that is her right. But, why is she upset that others aren't sharing her idiocies? It's freaking Spanish class. That means it is an elective. She took it. I would end her participation there and give her an "I" for incomplete or an "F" for failure to comprehend the basic premise of learning about a foreign culture and language and warn her to be more careful in the future for choosing her electives. Other students more open and intelligent may be wanting or needing that chair.

Psychoblues

I know where McAllen, TX is, brainstorm, and I know what the agenda is there. Fuck the Mexican national anthem. This is the US. Until they're done taking over anyway ... with the help of apologistas like you.

[Kathianne]

Well Brazilians speak Portuguese, so I don't know how culturally viable their practices would be in a spanish class. And I can tell you from 4 years of spanish classes, it's not spanish (from Spain) that schools teach. We never learned the vosotros (2nd person familiar) ie "y'all" form of verb conjugation; which is not part of Mexican spanish, but is in Spain. So they should be offended anyways. Maybe that's why they stopped sending their 'care packages' with disease-infected blankets, nothing familial about it.

Ack, hitting myself in the head. I knew that!

[Abbey Marie]

Reciting it ---me too. I think it is important to understand what one is pledging if they are to choose, rather or not, to do it. My take on the story thus far is that the students had little recognition of what they were saying or the implications-- do they understand all the words, how it came to be, what historical and cultural influences have lead to it being what it is today? I highly doubt it; I'd bet they treated it more like a verse to a folk song; with very little background into the underlying meaning of each word or phrase-- thus little cultural introspective, as they claim it was meant to convey.

As I said in post #3, standing and reciting it, makes it a whole different exercise from mere translation. Not to mention the outstretched hands while reciting. Almost looks like a Nazi "Heil Hitler" salute in there.

[And on a side note (Kath you may be best able to address this), is it the norm now for teachers to wear sneakers to work? I'm not saying the women need to wear dresses anymore, but seriously, khakis and sneakers? Seems unprofessional to me.
This teacher looked like she was dressed to do her grocery shopping.]

[Kathianne]

As I said in post #3, standing and reciting it, makes it a whole different exercise from mere translation. Not to mention the outstretched hands while reciting. Almost looks like a Nazi "Heil Hitler" salute in there.

[And on a side note (Kath you may be best able to address this), is it the norm now for teachers to wear sneakers to work? I'm not saying the women need to wear dresses anymore, but seriously, khakis and sneakers? Seems unprofessional to me.
This teacher looked like she was dressed to do her grocery shopping.]

The choice of material for recitation does matter, we agree. Our own pledge is only an indication of culture and at best only one aspect of it. Indeed a better choice would be using facts in common between 'Spanish speaking countries' and a study of those cultural aspects. Indeed that is what most AP Spanish classes do.

As for dress, on Fridays, (school colors day), that type of dress, jeans and sneakers, school t or sweatshirt might fly. Other days? No.

[logroller]

So then a spanish porn novel would have been okay to read?
Or more to the point-- Would it have been OK to perform it?