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jimnyc
11-15-2011, 07:28 AM
Notes went out from the NYC police and the owner of the park - then shortly after the police formed a human shield and emptied the park, and arrested those who resisted. They told the protestors they could return in a few hours, after they cleaned the filth they created, but they couldn't bring tents and such back with them. I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted.

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EW YORK (AP) — Police arrested 70 protesters at New York's Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, including some who chained themselves together, while clearing the park so that sanitation crews could clean it.

Concerns about health and safety issues at Occupy Wall Street camps around the country have intensified, and protesters have been ordered to take down their shelters, adhere to curfews and relocate so that parks can be cleaned.

At about 1 a.m. Tuesday, New York City police handed out notices from Brookfield Office Properties, owner of Zuccotti Park, and the city saying that the park had to be cleared because it had become unsanitary and hazardous. Protesters were told they could return in several hours, but without sleeping bags, tarps or tents.

Paul Brown, a spokesman for the New York Police Department, said the park had been cleared by 4:30 a.m. and that about 70 people who'd been inside it had been arrested, including a group who chained themselves together. One person was taken to a local hospital for evaluation because of breathing problems.

Police in riot gear filled the streets, car lights flashing and sirens blaring. Protesters, some of whom shouted angrily at police, began marching to two locations in Lower Manhattan where they planned to hold rallies.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-arrest-70-wall-street-protesters-094303924.html

ConHog
11-15-2011, 09:25 AM
Notes went out from the NYC police and the owner of the park - then shortly after the police formed a human shield and emptied the park, and arrested those who resisted. They told the protestors they could return in a few hours, after they cleaned the filth they created, but they couldn't bring tents and such back with them. I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted.

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http://news.yahoo.com/police-arrest-70-wall-street-protesters-094303924.html

I just can't figure out why these people are allowed to take over private property at all. Or is the park owner okay with them being there as long as they follow a minimum of standards? Seems like they have been trespassing for the last two months if that isn't the case.

cadet
11-15-2011, 10:33 AM
You know, if they tried half as hard to get a job as they do to protest that their poor, they might not worry about the wealth gap so much. And acually make some hard earned money!

avatar4321
11-16-2011, 12:41 AM
You know, if they tried half as hard to get a job as they do to protest that their poor, they might not worry about the wealth gap so much. And acually make some hard earned money!

I think you are seriously overestimating the amount of effort it takes to urinate in public.

Shadow
11-16-2011, 01:24 AM
Hannity was interviewing one of these idiots today. Seems as if they are planning on trying to "close down wall street" this week. This should be interesting...when asked if they even cared about the businesses and low level employees they were hurting...they just shrugged it off and made the comment that no one vistits that district on a normal day anyway and that the vendors and restaurants were reporting "record profits" since they took over the place. Why do I find that hard to believe...when they were getting free food for the last few months?

Shadow
11-16-2011, 01:29 AM
You know, if they tried half as hard to get a job as they do to protest that their poor, they might not worry about the wealth gap so much. And acually make some hard earned money!

No..no..not protesting.."occupying"...Hannity was set straight on that point today.

They would have to dump the booze,drugs,vermin and nudity/sex in public first. I can't imagine what kind of employees these losers would make either.

red states rule
11-16-2011, 04:26 AM
Now the hippies cut a fence and break into a Church lot

The cops move in and arrest them

Again, here is the left's answer to the Tea Party


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ConHog
11-16-2011, 09:23 AM
Now the hippies cut a fence and break into a Church lot

The cops move in and arrest them

Again, here is the left's answer to the Tea Party


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Good, they need to start arresting them every time they trespass.

And I think you're giving them WAY too much credit when you compare them to the Tea Party to, even though you are illustrating a point. They don't even rise to the level of deserving to be compared to the TP.

KarlMarx
11-16-2011, 07:36 PM
I just can't figure out why these people are allowed to take over private property at all. Or is the park owner okay with them being there as long as they follow a minimum of standards? Seems like they have been trespassing for the last two months if that isn't the case.

Guess I'll have to answer this one by stating the obvious. They don't respect private property. Property is owned by the bourgeois middle class. You can't trespass on property that you don't recognize as being someone else's. Your property is theirs to with as they see fit.

And it does not matter if they trample your rights, trespass on your property, appropriate your money... because their cause is more important than your rights. You're just a low life capitalist fascist pig who is a wage slave to the corporate greed lords. Got it comrade?

That's the OWS crowd for you. A bunch of disaffected rabble who will do what it takes to get their way.

But I feel that there's hope. Because, like many others who came before them, the OWS movement is destined for the dustbin of history. Just like the hippies and yippies of the 1960s.

(has anyone here even heard of yippies?)

ConHog
11-16-2011, 10:32 PM
Guess I'll have to answer this one by stating the obvious. They don't respect private property. Property is owned by the bourgeois middle class. You can't trespass on property that you don't recognize as being someone else's. Your property is theirs to with as they see fit.

And it does not matter if they trample your rights, trespass on your property, appropriate your money... because their cause is more important than your rights. You're just a low life capitalist fascist pig who is a wage slave to the corporate greed lords. Got it comrade?

That's the OWS crowd for you. A bunch of disaffected rabble who will do what it takes to get their way.

But I feel that there's hope. Because, like many others who came before them, the OWS movement is destined for the dustbin of history. Just like the hippies and yippies of the 1960s.

(has anyone here even heard of yippies?)

I realize that THEY don't recognize that private property is private property but that doesn't factor into whether they can be arrested for trespassing or not. That is what I was getting at.

red states rule
11-17-2011, 03:33 AM
Guess I'll have to answer this one by stating the obvious. They don't respect private property. Property is owned by the bourgeois middle class. You can't trespass on property that you don't recognize as being someone else's. Your property is theirs to with as they see fit.

And it does not matter if they trample your rights, trespass on your property, appropriate your money... because their cause is more important than your rights. You're just a low life capitalist fascist pig who is a wage slave to the corporate greed lords. Got it comrade?

That's the OWS crowd for you. A bunch of disaffected rabble who will do what it takes to get their way.

But I feel that there's hope. Because, like many others who came before them, the OWS movement is destined for the dustbin of history. Just like the hippies and yippies of the 1960s.

(has anyone here even heard of yippies?)


Looks lioke they are taking the advice of Obama, the Dems, and the union bosses and gettting in the face of their enemies

I wonder what the streets will look like in October of 2012?

red states rule
11-17-2011, 03:36 AM
A Molotov cocktail for Macy's?


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KarlMarx
11-17-2011, 07:30 AM
I realize that THEY don't recognize that private property is private property but that doesn't factor into whether they can be arrested for trespassing or not. That is what I was getting at.

OK, I see your point. The OWS crowd has its enablers in high places. They either are in support of the OWS mob or, more likely, afraid of them.

Unfortunately little ol' Binghamton, the city I live next to, has not escaped the OWS phenomenon. Not only have the OWS people been allowed to camp out in a section of the downtown for the past month or so, but the mayor of Binghamton, a socialist by any other name, actually said he was going to hang out with them. In spite of the fact that downtown businesses are now complaining about the OWS people hanging out and harming their businesses, Mayor Ryan will continue to allow the OWS protesters to stay.

Also, the unions are backing the OWS phenomenon, so I wonder if cities are afraid of a backlash from them if they crack down on them

KarlMarx
11-17-2011, 07:38 AM
A Molotov cocktail for Macy's?


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This is starting to sound like the late 1960s. The left during that time period became more radicalized and the Black Panters and the Weathermen were organized in order to acheive their objectives using violence.

P.S. I wonder if that nice young man who wants to firebomb Macy's can finish a sentence without using the word "motherfucker"?

revelarts
11-17-2011, 09:26 AM
I've got a question,
many here supported the Lybian protesters and the Egyptian protester and other ME protesters, and condemned the ME leaders to the point of if the leaders and there kids died for stopping protest many seemed to think they deserved it. for suppressing freedom and all that. I'm sure there where urine problems and private property problems and probably some other foulest among the protesters AS WELL AS Radical Muslim factions but some how, many here gave some support for them and condemned the Police activity.
I guess American police over reaction is good and ENDING of protest and assembly and ME dictator's police action and Disbursing of protesters is bad so bad that they deserve overthrow in some cases.

I just have to get my bearings here sometimes, I'll figure it out after while.
Ok Maybe if we agree with the cause THEN it's OK for other people to protest. If not well that's another story....hmmm... And everybody just stop Pissing, sure , that crosses the line. No protesting for you ITs SMACK DOWN time. ...2 days, 2 days is enough to make a point.... Dress better, that's helps.... Get a good job before you start protesting.... Always make sure you know everything about all the people who come to your protest.... Try to please everyone when you protest in the street.

If they would do that and other things then it might start to be OK to protest, i think, am i on the right track folks?

fj1200
11-17-2011, 09:32 AM
If they would do that and other things then it might start to be OK to protest, i think, am i on the right track folks?

Who said that they couldn't protest?

Gunny
11-17-2011, 09:33 AM
Notes went out from the NYC police and the owner of the park - then shortly after the police formed a human shield and emptied the park, and arrested those who resisted. They told the protestors they could return in a few hours, after they cleaned the filth they created, but they couldn't bring tents and such back with them. I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted.

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http://news.yahoo.com/police-arrest-70-wall-street-protesters-094303924.html

Yeah, the OWS crowd are not making threats with Molotov cocktails -- specifically at Macy's. While I hope no one gets hurt from it, I hope they DO try some crap like that so the people quietly ignoring them will finally call "bullshit" and end this crap.

As of this AM, they're claiming they're going to disrupt the subways and the Brooklyn Bridge. I think they should be occupying cells in GTMO where we keep other terrorists. Doesn't matter to me where they're from.

Abbey Marie
11-17-2011, 09:35 AM
I think you are seriously overestimating the amount of effort it takes to urinate in public.

For men, no, for women, a much bigger deal. :laugh2:

Abbey Marie
11-17-2011, 09:36 AM
Yeah, the OWS crowd are not making threats with Molotov cocktails -- specifically at Macy's. While I hope no one gets hurt from it, I hope they DO try some crap like that so the people quietly ignoring them will finally call "bullshit" and end this crap.

As of this AM, they're claiming they're going to disrupt the subways and the Brooklyn Bridge. I think they should be occupying cells in GTMO where we keep other terrorists. Doesn't matter to me where they're from.

i'm looking forward to some major ice storms this winter.

Gunny
11-17-2011, 09:43 AM
i'm looking forward to some major ice storms this winter.

:laugh::laugh:

ConHog
11-17-2011, 10:01 AM
I've got a question,
many here supported the Lybian protesters and the Egyptian protester and other ME protesters, and condemned the ME leaders to the point of if the leaders and there kids died for stopping protest many seemed to think they deserved it. for suppressing freedom and all that. I'm sure there where urine problems and private property problems and probably some other foulest among the protesters AS WELL AS Radical Muslim factions but some how, many here gave some support for them and condemned the Police activity.
I guess American police over reaction is good and ENDING of protest and assembly and ME dictator's police action and Disbursing of protesters is bad so bad that they deserve overthrow in some cases.

I just have to get my bearings here sometimes, I'll figure it out after while.
Ok Maybe if we agree with the cause THEN it's OK for other people to protest. If not well that's another story....hmmm... And everybody just stop Pissing, sure , that crosses the line. No protesting for you ITs SMACK DOWN time. ...2 days, 2 days is enough to make a point.... Dress better, that's helps.... Get a good job before you start protesting.... Always make sure you know everything about all the people who come to your protest.... Try to please everyone when you protest in the street.

If they would do that and other things then it might start to be OK to protest, i think, am i on the right track folks?


No one here is saying they don't have a right to protest. Just because we laugh at their silly demands doesn't mean they don't have the right to protest, and we all recognize that. But surely you recognize that there is a line where protesting becomes something other than protesting and these idiots are frequently crossing it.

You do not have the right to take over and or destroy the property of those you are protesting (whether that property belongs to the government or private citizens.) You do NOT have the right to keep other people from using public roads and or property, and you do NOT have the right to break laws. Those things simply aren't covered by the COTUS. And yes, I would say the exact same thing if it were a conservative group out behaving the way the Occupiers are.

revelarts
11-17-2011, 10:51 AM
Who said that they couldn't protest?

"I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted."
Jimnyc


"I think they should be occupying cells in GTMO where we keep other terrorists. Doesn't matter to me where they're from."
Gunny

Sure most really aren't there but you kinda get the sense of it. even the oabove is just smack talk I know. But If people on the left said the above about Teaparty rallies RSR would have 3 threads up about it.






No one here is saying they don't have a right to protest. Just because we laugh at their silly demands doesn't mean they don't have the right to protest, and we all recognize that. But surely you recognize that there is a line where protesting becomes something other than protesting and these idiots are frequently crossing it.

You do not have the right to take over and or destroy the property of those you are protesting (whether that property belongs to the government or private citizens.) You do NOT have the right to keep other people from using public roads and or property, and you do NOT have the right to break laws. Those things simply aren't covered by the COTUS. And yes, I would say the exact same thing if it were a conservative group out behaving the way the Occupiers are.




I'm not in favor of protesters messing with personal property either but "public" property Meh I don't like it but Camping out on public prop seems to me acceptable in a protest context, IMO. And the Constant negative protrayal of the OWStreeters is a bit tiring I mean Never a decent word about them is getting kinda getting old, not exactly "fair and balanced" . But My questions was really about the comparison of reactions to the M.E. protesters and the OWS Protesters. sure Squatting on private property is "against the law" but um Killing a president isn't exactly legal either. And I think some here where cheering for that. Taking over police stations and tanks is an order of magnitude above holding up traffic for a few hours. And some pee. But some here had no problem with that. It's just an interesting contrast don't you think?

fj1200
11-17-2011, 10:56 AM
"I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted."
Jimnyc


"I think they should be occupying cells in GTMO where we keep other terrorists. Doesn't matter to me where they're from."
Gunny

Sure most really aren't there but you kinda get the sense of it. even the oabove is just smack talk I know. But If people on the left said the above about Teaparty rallies RSR would have 3 threads up about it.

Jim is all for "peaceful humans" remaining which I presume to include protesters. Gunny? Well, you had to assume he is referring to all protesters as terrorists. Nevertheless, tying the Arab Spring protests into OWS is a stretch IMO.

ConHog
11-17-2011, 11:04 AM
"I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted."
Jimnyc


"I think they should be occupying cells in GTMO where we keep other terrorists. Doesn't matter to me where they're from."
Gunny

Sure most really aren't there but you kinda get the sense of it. even the oabove is just smack talk I know. But If people on the left said the above about Teaparty rallies RSR would have 3 threads up about it.










I'm not in favor of protesters messing with personal property either but "public" property Meh I don't like it but Camping out on public prop seems to me acceptable in a protest context, IMO. And the Constant negative protrayal of the OWStreeters is a bit tiring I mean Never a decent word about them is getting kinda getting old, not exactly "fair and balanced" . But My questions was really about the comparison of reactions to the M.E. protesters and the OWS Protesters. sure Squatting on private property is "against the law" but um Killing a president isn't exactly legal either. And I think some here where cheering for that. Taking over police stations and tanks is an order of magnitude above holding up traffic for a few hours. And some pee. But some here had no problem with that. It's just an interesting contrast don't you think?



for one thing you're comparing apples and oranges. For another you're on a pretty conservative board so you have to expect it to be biased. Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing, I think Jim does a good job of letting the left express their views, but the board IS conservative so you to expect that.

Now IF the Occupiers were behaving the way they are behaving in response to a government like they had in Libya. I think you might be surprised to see Gunny and myself and other conservatives over here cheering them on as they attempted to overthrow a brutal dicatorship. However that is NOT even close to what they are protesting for. They simply want free stuff.

So, that's a completely invalid argument.

jimnyc
11-17-2011, 11:11 AM
"I'm sure the backlash will continue, and I hope the police continue to arrest and arrest and arrest the idiots until only peaceful humans remain and the scum are evicted."
Jimnyc

Yes, the police should get rid of the scumbags that are doing drugs, committing crimes and shitting in the streets - and all that should be out there is "normal" people protesting.

As for the foreign protests you speak of... I don't think anyone here would have condemned the police, and I know I didn't even at all - but the police there were literally KILLING the protestors and it was more like a non-stop riot than it was a protest.

Apples, meet oranges.

revelarts
11-17-2011, 01:23 PM
Sure there's some differences but there are more similarities.

Gov't trying to keep order vs young protesters that won't go home.
the real difference is the content and depth/style of the problems each are dealing with but the basics are similar.

Apples and oranges may sound good but basically it's Protesters vs the Gov't order.



Now IF the Occupiers were behaving the way they are behaving in response to a government like they had in Libya. I think you might be surprised to see Gunny and myself and other conservatives over here cheering them on as they attempted to overthrow a brutal dicatorship. However that is NOT even close to what they are protesting for. They simply want free stuff.

The content of protest is the difference then... Breaking the law and peeing on private property is OK if the gov't is bad to a level you agree with. OK got it. that's what said at 1st. The Egyptian protester set fire to police stations kind of against the law. and it's OK , if we agree the problems are bad enough.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you I just like to be clear on what the real problem with OWS protesters is. It's not their smell and law breaking it's their political position.

ConHog
11-17-2011, 01:36 PM
Sure there's some differences but there are more similarities.

Gov't trying to keep order vs young protesters that won't go home.
the real difference is the content and depth/style of the problems each are dealing with but the basics are similar.

Apples and oranges may sound good but basically it's Protesters vs the Gov't order.




The content of protest is the difference then... Breaking the law and peeing on private property is OK if the gov't is bad to a level you agree with. OK got it. that's what said at 1st. The Egyptian protester set fire to police stations kind of against the law. and it's OK , if we agree the problems are bad enough.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you I just like to be clear on what the real problem with OWS protesters is. It's not their smell and law breaking it's their political position.

First of all, can you show where anyone was cheering on Libyans who were pissing and shitting in the streets, or who were squatting on other peoples' property for months on end, or who were raping or robbing people? I doubt it.

Second of all, we've made it clear. It's not about their political ideals. Hell, they don't even have any "we want free stuff" is not a political ideology. It's just stupid. I would no more condone conservatives who were squatting on private property, and committing crimes all the while protesting government spending and would condemn them just the same.

red states rule
11-18-2011, 03:12 AM
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red states rule
11-18-2011, 04:42 AM
Sure there's some differences but there are more similarities.

Gov't trying to keep order vs young protesters that won't go home.
the real difference is the content and depth/style of the problems each are dealing with but the basics are similar.

Apples and oranges may sound good but basically it's Protesters vs the Gov't order.




The content of protest is the difference then... Breaking the law and peeing on private property is OK if the gov't is bad to a level you agree with. OK got it. that's what said at 1st. The Egyptian protester set fire to police stations kind of against the law. and it's OK , if we agree the problems are bad enough.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you I just like to be clear on what the real problem with OWS protesters is. It's not their smell and law breaking it's their political position.



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