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logroller
01-19-2012, 11:21 PM
Supreme Court Chooses SOPA/PIPA Protest Day To Give A Giant Middle Finger To The Public Domain


We've been talking about the Golan case, and its possible impact on culture (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110602/02304214514/why-golan-case-matters-pulling-works-public-domain-is-massive-tax-culture.shtml), for years. If you're unfamiliar with it, it's the third in a line of cases, starting with the Eldred case, to challenge aspects of copyright law as violating the First Amendment. The key point in the case was questioning whether or not the US could take works out of the public domain and put them under copyright...
Stunningly, the majority decision here, written by Justice Ginsburg, seems to suggest that there's no First Amendment issue here, because if people want to make use of the works that were previously, but are no longer, in the public domain, they can just buy those rights:
But Congress has not put petitioners in this bind. The question here, as in Eldred, is whether would-be users must pay for their desired use of the author’s expression, or else limit their exploitation to “fair use” of that work. Prokofiev’s Peter and the Wolf could once be performed free of charge; after §514 the right to perform it must be obtained in the marketplace.


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120118/09090217454/supreme-court-chooses-sopapipa-protest-day-to-give-giant-middle-finger-to-public-domain.shtml

Uh what? Taking something out of the public domain once in it seems downright foolish, I don't get it. WTF is going on in Congress. A side note, anybody read the MPAA's response to yesterday protest. They accused internet corps of turning their users into 'corporate pawns'...uh huh, like this bill being introduced by Congress isn't testament to the same--as the saying goes, Pot...kettle...

fj1200
01-20-2012, 10:21 AM
Supreme Court Chooses SOPA/PIPA Protest Day To Give A Giant Middle Finger To The Public Domain

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...c-domain.shtml (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120118/09090217454/supreme-court-chooses-sopapipa-protest-day-to-give-giant-middle-finger-to-public-domain.shtml)

Uh what? Taking something out of the public domain once in it seems downright foolish, I don't get it. WTF is going on in Congress.

I don't think he fully understands constitutional.


Retroactively seizing works out of the public domain does not benefit the public. And thus, is unconstitutional.

I also don't think it's a 1A issue since the constitution clearly gives Congress the power to grant copyright protection.

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

But pulling something out of public domain does seem to go beyond.

ConHog
01-20-2012, 10:39 AM
I don't think he fully understands constitutional.



I also don't think it's a 1A issue since the constitution clearly gives Congress the power to grant copyright protection.


But pulling something out of public domain does seem to go beyond.

I can only think of one situation where it would be acceptable for something that was previously in the public domain to be removed. Some times an obscure artist might create 20 books/painting/songs/whatever before they create one that makes them famous. Usually this happens long after they are gone In those cases the family should be able to go back and gain copyrights on anything that was previously in the public domain if indeed anything is there.

Of course nowadays everyone copyrights most everything so that is almost a non issue. but not completely.

fj1200
01-20-2012, 10:56 AM
^Copyright is automatically granted.

How to Secure a CopyrightCopyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright.
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf

The family would just need to assert their ownership.

ConHog
01-20-2012, 11:10 AM
^Copyright is automatically granted.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf

The family would just need to assert their ownership.

Ok, so my condition would only apply to things created pre 1976 . Which I would assume that anything that qualified the owners have probably already taken care of business.