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Little-Acorn
04-12-2012, 07:45 PM
Since there seems to be the usual furious Leftist reactions to the subject of their being communists, here's a list from a year and a half ago.

Communists and socialists are kissing cousins, the differences are minor.

Some of these got booted out in the Nov. 2010 elections. I don't know who has joined since then.

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CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA

Co-Chairs Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members
Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members
Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

SassyLady
04-12-2012, 09:08 PM
ssshhhh.... don't tell fj ... he thinks West is a crackpot for saying stuff like this. He might not give you one of those coveted cabinet positions.

jimnyc
04-12-2012, 10:29 PM
Quite a handful on that list are known idiots that have left my head shaking many a times. It blows my mind that so many of them are in office for so long.

fj1200
04-12-2012, 10:53 PM
ssshhhh.... don't tell fj ... he thinks West is a crackpot for saying stuff like this. He might not give you one of those coveted cabinet positions.

Not exactly. Romney would be a crackpot for choosing West who says stuff like this.

SassyLady
04-12-2012, 11:54 PM
Not exactly. Romney would be a crackpot for choosing West who says stuff like this.

So, Romney would be a crackpot for choosing someone who tells the truth, instead of bowing the political correctness crowd? Weird.

Gator Monroe
04-13-2012, 01:51 AM
McCarthy was right:lol:

fj1200
04-13-2012, 08:22 AM
So, Romney would be a crackpot for choosing someone who tells the truth, instead of bowing the political correctness crowd? Weird.

No. He'd be a crackpot for choosing someone who distracts from the primary purpose of elections which is to win. See the difference?

tailfins
04-13-2012, 11:14 AM
We should call it the a**hole caucus. Alan Grayson particularly stands out. Most of that list has a history of being less than decent people.

Gaffer
04-13-2012, 11:24 AM
McCarthy was right:lol:

I've been saying that for years. He went nuts over his witch hunt, but he was right.

Little-Acorn
04-13-2012, 11:41 AM
Socialism and communism are not identical, but the differences between them are far less important than the similarities.

Both feature schemes where a central government (which isn't in communist plans but is always brought in when someone actually tries to run a communist government) judges how much people should be paid. The pay is usually based on what the govt decides they need rather than by how much they contributed.

This results in workers realizing after a few years, that working harder won't benefit them much. Some work harder anyway, others decide to slack off and/or spend more time with family etc. Then as time goes on, the harder workers see the others' example, and while most keep working hard, a few more slack off. They cycle keeps repeating with a few more reducing their effort, then later a few more etc.

Socialist or communist societies usually wind up deteriorating, because there is little incentive to work hard, aside from personal work ethics. And even those with good ethics, tend to deteriorate over a long period of time, for similar reasons.

The long, concentrated periods of difficult work, effort, and sacrifice that advance a society, come more and more from only the diminishing number who maintain their hard-work ethic and loyalty in the face of increasing indifference and lack of material reward. While those people are rightly regarded as heros or pillars, there is far less incentive to do what they do, in socialistic or communist societies. The incentive is greater in free-market societies where people can work for the chance of great rewards in addition to great moral satisfaction.

So socialistic or communistic societies invaribly lose, in competition with free-market societies. For that reason, they abhor competition, and often expend great effort to crush it or isolate themselves from it... only to lose even more from its lack.

American congressmen and other political animals, often lost track of their real jobs - protecting people's rights and defending them against theft, fraud, and coercion. And they take the easier road of getting re-elected by taking things from small numbers of the more affluent, and giving them away to larger number of the less affluent.

As this scheme gets enacted into law, it quickly deteriorates to a pattern similar to what I said above: deciding what pay people get based on what they "need" rather than what they earn. In some countries, this is done by making the government, the official employer. In others (such as the U.S.), it's done by letting the government take money out of people paychecks (with far more taken from those who earn a lot), and simultaneously set up programs to pay out more to those who earn less. The result is the same: Government decides who gets paid how much, usually according to what they "need" rather than what they earn.

The politicians who set this up, often didn't intend to implement socialism. But what they wind up with, isn't much different from it. More importantly, the ultimate results are no different, either.

Gator Monroe
04-13-2012, 01:28 PM
Modern American Socialism Statism & Progressivism ARE Identifiable .:clap:

Salty
04-14-2012, 01:46 AM
Since there seems to be the usual furious Leftist reactions to the subject of their being communists, here's a list from a year and a half ago.

Communists and socialists are kissing cousins, the differences are minor.

Some of these got booted out in the Nov. 2010 elections. I don't know who has joined since then.

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http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/National_News/CONGRESSMEN_FAIL_TO_INCLUDE_DEMOCRATIC_SOCIALISTS_ OF_AMERICA_MEMBERSHIP_IN_THEIR_ELECTION_CAMPAIGNS/32227

CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA

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Bull corn makes good fertilizer. :lol:

revelarts
04-17-2012, 08:25 AM
Here's a list of Congressmen who are members of the Democratic Socialists of AmericaI thought you were going to say

Here's a list of Congressmen who are members of ... Al Qaeda
heh heh.. cough.. hee

socialist yeah well, I'm surprised so many are so open about it but it's not really a revelation. Those folk love what they call socialism/liberalism/progressivism, which ,boiled down, is just gov't fat cats controlling everything and everyone.

some folks still think thats a good thing even with it's horrible failure all over the world. A few moderatly "successful" cases in northern euorpe are clinged to as examples and our own creeping socailism is assumed good by them as every new law gets passed. Some poor soul gets helping hand from Momma gov't who straps leash there throats at the same time.