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Shadow
05-18-2012, 10:38 PM
Renate Raymond has encountered her fair share of organic food snobs, but a recent trip to a Seattle market left her feeling like she'd stumbled onto the set of "Portlandia. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w)"
"I stopped at a market to get a fruit platter for a movie night with friends but I couldn't find one so I asked the produce guy," says the 40-year-old arts administrator from Seattle. "And he was like, 'If you want fruit platters, go to Safeway. We're organic.' I finally bought a small cake and some strawberries and then at the check stand, the guy was like 'You didn't bring your own bag? I need to charge you if you didn't bring your own bag.' It was like a 'Portlandia skit.' They were so snotty and arrogant."

As it turns out, new research has determined that a judgmental attitude may just go hand in hand with exposure to organic foods. In fact, a new study (http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/05/14/1948550612447114.abstract) published this week in the journal of Social Psychological and Personality Science, has found that organic food may just make people act a bit like jerks.

"There's a line of research showing that when people can pat themselves on the back for their moral behavior, they can become self-righteous," says author Kendall Eskine, assistant professor of the department of psychological sciences at Loyola University in New Orleans. "I've noticed a lot of organic foods are marketed with moral terminology, like Honest Tea, and wondered if you exposed people to organic food, if it would make them pat themselves on the back for their moral and environmental choices. I wondered if they would be more altruistic or not."

http://todayhealth.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11737146-does-organic-food-turn-people-into-jerks?lite

logroller
05-18-2012, 10:52 PM
I dont Know about jerks, but morons possibly. It's a cake and some strawberries; I can manage without a bag, just my two organic hands.

Toro
05-18-2012, 10:53 PM
Hardcore liberals are often like that far beyond organic food.

logroller
05-18-2012, 11:00 PM
My personal favorite is when the grocery store bagger puts a gallon of milk in a bag; and sometimes, they even double bag it because it's heavy...I hold back the urge to ask them why, and just tell them 'that's OK, the milk already has a handle.'

Shadow
05-18-2012, 11:09 PM
I have never noticed the workers being snobs...but I only go in to health food stores once in awhile anyway. My experience has been that it's usually the actual customers' that look down their noses at what you are buying and give the stink eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iIFpTwcaak

Dilloduck
05-18-2012, 11:43 PM
At least it costs them more to be snobs.

logroller
05-19-2012, 12:24 AM
It's really not that surprising about the marketing aspect of organic foods. Organic is a marketing ploy. I'm not saying that it isn't organic; its just that the label itself is bestowed after a long chain of oversight. It seems everything is 'natural' nowadays. Read the ingredients list though, and it has things that I wouldn't consider natural. But natural isn't regulated. It bothers me that the organic fundies would be snooty though. I mean, if more people ate balanced diets, fruit/ vegetables etc, regardless of whether it was organic they'd be worlds healthier. Seems that should be the focus as it would have a far greater impact on health than organic. Like I said though, marketing!

logroller
05-19-2012, 12:36 AM
A case in point: peanut butter. I buy Laura schudders(sp), an all natural product. Peanuts, peanut oil and salt. Of course they also sell organic skippy. Organic peanuts, organic sugar, organic palm oil, organic salt etc. I'm like seriously, sugar/ palm oil? Whats next, organic cigarettes?

SassyLady
05-19-2012, 01:36 AM
A case in point: peanut butter. I buy Laura schudders(sp), an all natural product. Peanuts, peanut oil and salt. Of course they also sell organic skippy. Organic peanuts, organic sugar, organic palm oil, organic salt etc. I'm like seriously, sugar/ palm oil? Whats next, organic cigarettes?

Why not make your own? I do at the store all the time in the natural foods section. I make almond butter and cashew butter at the same time. Simply .... just put the nuts in the blender and out comes the butter. I don't add any oil or salt.

SassyLady
05-19-2012, 01:37 AM
Wow .... did that just sound snobby about the peanut butter? Didn't mean to......:slap:

logroller
05-19-2012, 01:46 AM
Why not make your own? I do at the store all the time in the natural foods section. I make almond butter and cashew butter at the same time. Simply .... just put the nuts in the blender and out comes the butter. I don't add any oil or salt.
I do that too, when I go to that store. But I've never thought about doing it my blender...which is ok, but not all that great. You got a vitamix or something topend, snob? :lol:
Seriously thiugh, I think it wouldn't blend it right, too thick. Did you mean food processor.......

SassyLady
05-19-2012, 01:53 AM
I do that too, when I go to that store. But I've never thought about doing it my blender...which is ok, but not all that great. You got a vitamix or something topend, snob? :lol:
Seriously thiugh, I think it wouldn't blend it right, too thick. Did you mean food processor.......

No, I do it at the store with whatever device they have right there. Does that sound snobby? I don't even know the name of the thingy I use.

I have a vitamix, juicer, blender, food processor ..... all of those whatumacallits sitting on a shelf in the pantry. Both ex and daughter think I like to cook and every year I get the latest and greatest. Oh, I have a bread maker .... so much easier to buy all the exotic breads I want at the market.

Crap....sounds snobby again. OK, I'm really a fast food junkie and never eat organic unless it's right out of my own garden. I refuse the pay the extra price.

logroller
05-19-2012, 02:09 AM
No, I do it at the store with whatever device they have right there. Does that sound snobby? I don't even know the name of the thingy I use.

I have a vitamix, juicer, blender, food processor ..... all of those whatumacallits sitting on a shelf in the pantry. Both ex and daughter think I like to cook and every year I get the latest and greatest. Oh, I have a bread maker .... so much easier to buy all the exotic breads I want at the market.

Crap....sounds snobby again. OK, I'm really a fast food junkie and never eat organic unless it's right out of my own garden. I refuse the pay the extra price.

Its ok; I don't think you're a snob. I think it's a grinder though; sorta squeezes the peanut butter out like soft serve ice cream. I buy organic sometimes; Costco had an organic strawberry jam that was amazing, but they discontinued it. :sad: I do read ingredients. But whole foods, meh, don't care.

SassyLady
05-19-2012, 03:11 AM
Its ok; I don't think you're a snob. I think it's a grinder though; sorta squeezes the peanut butter out like soft serve ice cream. I buy organic sometimes; Costco had an organic strawberry jam that was amazing, but they discontinued it. :sad: I do read ingredients. But whole foods, meh, don't care.

Could be a grinder .... I just dump in nuts and push button and the butter drops into the container and I put lid on it. I don't even have to clean up anything. Coolest thing. I haven't tired mixing my nuts yet. Wonder sometimes about doing that and adding a little fruit. Would drive the checker crazy trying to figure out what to charge!

:laugh::laugh:

logroller
05-19-2012, 03:36 AM
Could be a grinder .... I just dump in nuts and push button and the butter drops into the container and I put lid on it. I don't even have to clean up anything. Coolest thing. I haven't tired mixing my nuts yet. Wonder sometimes about doing that and adding a little fruit. Would drive the checker crazy trying to figure out what to charge!

:laugh::laugh:

The one I've used had a hopper already filled; just press the button. I think they have one with almonds too but no cashews. Cahews are good, so buttery. Peanut butter is my favorite though. You ever tried it on pancakes? It gets all melty and gooey, mixed up with syrup...amazing.

Next to the nut grinders they have a honey dispenser that looks like a beehive. I always play the same gag on my kids; as they always want to look inside and see if there are bees, but once they do I make a really loud buzzing sound-- they always jump. Its hilarious.:laugh:

Toro
05-19-2012, 06:51 AM
I like going to the organic food store and asking if they have plastic bags and then start talking to the cashier about my new SUV.

fj1200
05-19-2012, 07:11 AM
As it turns out, new research has determined that a judgmental attitude may just go hand in hand with exposure to organic foods. In fact, a new study (http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/05/14/1948550612447114.abstract) published this week in the journal of Social Psychological and Personality Science, has found that organic food may just make people act a bit like jerks.

http://todayhealth.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11737146-does-organic-food-turn-people-into-jerks?lite

Are they sure the snobs aren't just seeking out ways to be more snobbish? Right after they get out of their Toyota Pious.

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Peach
05-19-2012, 07:40 AM
Hardcore liberals are often like that far beyond organic food.

All hard core liberals are alike? I know hard core conservatives that differ on some issues. Of course, as a moderate, I tend to be middle of the road. "Liberal" on social issues, conservative on juvenile crime, rights, and responsibilities. Pro marriage equality, conservative on promiscuity. Against unnecessary war, very much in favor of Vet benefits.

Peach
05-19-2012, 07:41 AM
I like going to the organic food store and asking if they have plastic bags and then start talking to the cashier about my new SUV.

You'll be disappointed at the short list of added chemicals I gather. :laugh:

tailfins
05-19-2012, 07:51 AM
My personal favorite is when the grocery store bagger puts a gallon of milk in a bag; and sometimes, they even double bag it because it's heavy...I hold back the urge to ask them why, and just tell them 'that's OK, the milk already has a handle.'

The idea is not to get your hands cold. Also, when everything is bagged you can grab more stuff at one time.

Back to the OP: Organic food makes jerks out of people because of the sticker shock. Go Wal-mart!


All hard core liberals are alike? I know hard core conservatives that differ on some issues. Of course, as a moderate, I tend to be middle of the road. "Liberal" on social issues, conservative on juvenile crime, rights, and responsibilities. Pro marriage equality, conservative on promiscuity. Against unnecessary war, very much in favor of Vet benefits.

You may have something there on the hard-core part. On the conservative side, it's not the politics, but those who vote conservative by default with no thought. There's a lot of truth to the movie Deliverance. My views are driven by "show me the math".

Toro
05-19-2012, 12:46 PM
All hard core liberals are alike? I know hard core conservatives that differ on some issues. Of course, as a moderate, I tend to be middle of the road. "Liberal" on social issues, conservative on juvenile crime, rights, and responsibilities. Pro marriage equality, conservative on promiscuity. Against unnecessary war, very much in favor of Vet benefits.

I'm generalizing, of course. Not all liberals are like that. But there are definitely some very holier-than-thou, sanctimonious liberal do-gooders that drive me up a wall. You see more of it in Europe than in America. That's one reason why I live here and not there.

logroller
05-19-2012, 04:04 PM
The idea is not to get your hands cold. Also, when everything is bagged you can grab more stuff at one time.

Back to the OP: Organic food makes jerks out of people because of the sticker shock. Go Wal-mart!



You may have something there on the hard-core part. On the conservative side, it's not the politics, but those who vote conservative by default with no thought. There's a lot of truth to the movie Deliverance. My views are driven by "show me the math".
Cold hands...more in one hand; how far does one really need to transport their food? Maybe they should bring their own cart instead of bags.
I'm curious about your sticker shock hypothesis. Maybe they were arrogant jerks before; paying more is just a mode for the behavior. As for Walmart, maybe I'm arrogant, because that place always puts me in a disgusted mood. As for the math; hedonic calculus is beset with functional dillemma-- because how do you put a price on the shattered dreams of small business owners? Rollbacks and walmart stock are more easily quantifiable.

Abbey
05-19-2012, 04:27 PM
No, I do it at the store with whatever device they have right there. Does that sound snobby? I don't even know the name of the thingy I use.

I have a vitamix, juicer, blender, food processor ..... all of those whatumacallits sitting on a shelf in the pantry. Both ex and daughter think I like to cook and every year I get the latest and greatest. Oh, I have a bread maker .... so much easier to buy all the exotic breads I want at the market.

Crap....sounds snobby again. OK, I'm really a fast food junkie and never eat organic unless it's right out of my own garden. I refuse the pay the extra price.

I don't think our stores out East have those thingys. Well, Whole Foods just moved nearby- I'll bet they do, lol.

ConHog
05-19-2012, 04:51 PM
I don't think our stores out East have those thingys. Well, Whole Foods just moved nearby- I'll bet they do, lol.

You city folk are weird, we've been buying organic groceries for years from the local farmer markets and those people aren't jerks at all. Well, some of them are, but it has nothing to do with organic food.

BTW real question, how much do you pay for an organic tomato? In the summer time here you can buy them 10 for $1 .

Abbey
05-19-2012, 05:02 PM
You city folk are weird, we've been buying organic groceries for years from the local farmer markets and those people aren't jerks at all. Well, some of them are, but it has nothing to do with organic food.

BTW real question, how much do you pay for an organic tomato? In the summer time here you can buy them 10 for $1 .

Huh, I didn't say we don't have organic foods. I said we don't have the blenders/processors/ whatever they are machines in grocery stores.

I buy a lot of my produce from a local tiny farm.

ConHog
05-19-2012, 05:07 PM
Huh, I didn't say we don't have organic foods. I said we don't have the blenders/processors/ whatever they are machines in grocery stores.

I buy a lot of my produce from a local tiny farm.

I was just making fun of city folk, thought you lived in a smaller town anyway.

Abbey
05-19-2012, 05:27 PM
I was just making fun of city folk, thought you lived in a smaller town anyway.

I'm in the suburbs of a small city. But I did grow up in 'da Bronx. :cool:

ConHog
05-19-2012, 05:34 PM
I'm in the suburbs of a small city. But I did grow up in 'da Bronx. :cool:

I gotta drive an hour to get to a "real" city.

DragonStryk72
05-19-2012, 10:20 PM
Okay, I can understand buying organic on a "I want my food to just be my food" basis, but it's not a moral statement, though yeah, I've dealt with plenty who think it is. It's a diet, like any other, and I loved how much they made fun of that kind of thinking in Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World

Little-Acorn
05-19-2012, 11:22 PM
Does organic food turn people into jerks?


Probably not. But it might tend to bring out the jerkdom some people already had within.