Culprits revealed in the "War on Women"

[Little-Acorn]

After months of veiled accusations, innuendoes, and general condemnations thrown by Democrats at various Republicans for such sins as hiring women into "glass ceiling" positions, paying them less for equal work, etc., we finally have some actual studies that confirm the trend.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/report-murray-feinstein-boxer-pay-female-staffers-less-than-male-staffers

Report: Murray, Feinstein, Boxer paid female staffers less than male staffers

Joe Newby
Spokane Conservative Examiner

On Wednesday, Sens. Patty Murray (D-WA), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA) participated in a press conference calling for an end to the so-called “gender pay gap,” urging their Senate counterparts to pass the Paycheck Fairness Act.

But the Washington Free Beacon reported Thursday that Murray, Boxer and Feinstein all paid their female staffers less than their male counterparts in 2011.

"Murray, who has repeatedly accused Republicans of waging a 'war a women,' is one of the worst offenders," Andrew Stiles wrote. According to Stiles, female staffers working for Murray "made about $21,000 less per year than male staffers in 2011, a difference of 35.2 percent," which Stiles says is "well above the 23 percent gap that Democrats claim exists between male and female workers nationwide."

Ironically, Murray said that “[w]hen women aren’t paid what they deserve, middle class families and communities pay the price,” according to a press release sent by Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) on Wednesday.

“As a mother and a grandmother, I want my children to live in a country where our daughters can expect to earn just as much as our sons," Murray said.

"It’s time to pass the Paycheck Fairness Act to tackle this issue head-on and continue working to close the pay gap for working women and their families,” she added.

We contacted Sen. Murray's Washington, D.C. office, but could not get a response.

Stiles also reported that the gap was much wider in Sen. Feinstein's office. On average, female staffers were paid 41 percent less than their male counterparts in 2011.

“Women in the workplace, women who head households or earn the only paycheck in a family, know the gender wage gap is not a myth. It is wrong, it hurts families, it hurts the economy, and the Paycheck Fairness Act is our chance to fix it,” Feinstein said Wednesday.

Female staffers in Sen. Boxer's office fared somewhat better in 2011, with a 7.3 percent difference in pay.

"Women working for Senate Democrats in 2011 pulled in an average salary of $60,877," Stiles wrote. "Men made about $6,500 more."

One of the most egregious examples Stiles cited was Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), an avowed socialist who caucuses with Democrats and frequently claims Republicans are engaging in a war on women. Stiles reported that women in Sander's office were paid 47.6 percent less than their male colleagues in 2011.

"Like many of his fellow partisans," Stiles wrote, "he has previously accused Republicans of 'trying to roll back the clock on women’s rights.'”


(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)

[jimnyc]

10-1 says they never respond to these facts. 20-1 says the mainstream media ignores them as well. Damn hypocrites.

[ConHog]

Before opening i had assumed this was a thread about islam

[Wind Song]

That sucks.

[Anton Chigurh]

Report: Murray, Feinstein, Boxer paid female staffers less than male staffersThis exact same thing came out in 2008 with Obama, he was even worse than these during his campaign. Of course, it was ignored completely.

[Wind Song]

Aren't the claims the dems make about repugs not liking women related to the issue of reproductive rights?



“As I look at the record of Republicans on women, it is not good,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA). “Personally I say it’s a war on women, and the more they protest it the more I say it. Because I really, truly believe it. They filibustered the Paycheck Fairness Act before. They left millions of women out of the Violence Against Women Act. They launched repeated attacks on women’s health including denying affordable access to birth control. They want to criminalize a woman’s right to choose. And they tried to repeal health reform, which prohibits discrimination because of gender — not to mention, makes investments in prevention.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/24/dems-plan-b-resurrect-war-on-women/

[Wind Song]

It's likely the men are paid more because they have more upper-level positions in the senate offices, which come with higher salaries.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/24/dems-plan-b-resurrect-war-on-women/

[ConHog]

It's likely the men are paid more because they have more upper-level positions in the senate offices, which come with higher salaries.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/24/dems-plan-b-resurrect-war-on-women/

that's kinda the point isn't it?

A) why are these people incapable of understanding what you just pointed out

B) why aren't they putting more women in the higher paid positions?

[Wind Song]

It's not a uniquely democratic party phenomenon. Women haven't broken the glass ceiling yet.

[Anton Chigurh]

It's not a uniquely democratic party phenomenon. Women haven't broken the glass ceiling yet.No one said it was. But when you're beating that drum, your house should be in order before you start.

Right, friendo?

[Wind Song]

No one said it was. But when you're beating that drum, your house should be in order before you start.

Right, friendo?


What's with the friendo thing?

[Anton Chigurh]

It's likely the men are paid more because they have more upper-level positions in the senate offices, which come with higher salaries.Just have the intelligence, intellectual honesty and the serenity to not feel you have to defend this. It is undefensible, since it IS a Dem party issue, "equal pay for equal work" and they're beating the "fairness" drum incessantly.

Just be able to say something like, "That's bad" or like you did, "that sucks" then move on.

You don't HAVE to try to defend it, they are not gonna hunt you down and pull your libcard.

[Anton Chigurh]

What's with the friendo thing?


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[Wind Song]

Your links don't work.

[Anton Chigurh]

Your links don't work.Try now, friendo.

[Wind Song]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-H1Buew8Qg


You are fucking creepy. I'm putting you on ignore.

[Anton Chigurh]

You are fucking creepy. I'm putting you on ignore.Does it say "Ultimate Badass" in my user title?

Okay then. Call it.

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[Dilloduck]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: oh the irony

[SassyLady]

10-1 says they never respond to these facts. 20-1 says the mainstream media ignores them as well. Damn hypocrites.

Since when has the progressive leftists ever advocated that they be held to the same standard they expect of others?

[fj1200]

Aren't the claims the dems make about repugs not liking women related to the issue of reproductive rights?


“As I look at the record of Republicans on women, it is not good,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA). “Personally I say it’s a war on women, and the more they protest it the more I say it. Because I really, truly believe it. They filibustered the Paycheck Fairness Act before. They left millions of women out of the Violence Against Women Act. They launched repeated attacks on women’s health including denying affordable access to birth control. They want to criminalize a woman’s right to choose. And they tried to repeal health reform, which prohibits discrimination because of gender — not to mention, makes investments in prevention.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/24/dems-plan-b-resurrect-war-on-women/



:rolleyes: We don't need a Federal law for every perceived slight. Many times women make less simply because they don't negotiate.

[Wind Song]

Since when has the progressive leftists ever advocated that they be held to the same standard they expect of others?

How about a few less partisan generalizations?

[Wind Song]

:rolleyes: We don't need a Federal law for every perceived slight. Many times women make less simply because they don't negotiate.

No one is saying we a need a federal law for every perceived slight.

[fj1200]

No one is saying we a need a federal law for every perceived slight.

The paragraph you posted contained just a portion of said.

[Wind Song]

The paragraph you posted contained just a portion of said.

What are you talking about? I posted a paragraph where Barbara Boxer is speaking about her opinion and experience with the GOP's position on women's rights.


She points to the places where she thinks the GOP platform is anti-woman.

[fj1200]

What are you talking about? I posted a paragraph where Barbara Boxer is speaking about her opinion and experience with the GOP's position on women's rights.


She points to the places where she thinks the GOP platform is anti-woman.

It's a pandering list of talking points crying for Federal protections to be extended/added. It's OK, you can see it for what it is.

[Wind Song]

It's a pandering list of talking points crying for Federal protections to be extended/added. It's OK, you can see it for what it is.

It's a platform of action that the party thinks will serve women's interests. Since you appear to oppose ANY federal protections, it probably doesn't appeal to you.

[fj1200]

It's a platform of action that the party thinks will serve women's interests. Since you appear to oppose ANY federal protections, it probably doesn't appeal to you.

I certainly oppose pandering "protections" where they are not necessary or that gives reasons for lawyers to bring suit. Besides, she mentioned discrimination against women which is already in the Civil Rights Act.

[Wind Song]

I certainly oppose pandering "protections" where they are not necessary or that gives reasons for lawyers to bring suit. Besides, she mentioned discrimination against women which is already in the Civil Rights Act.


You oppose the Paycheck Fairness Act? The Violence Against Women Act?

You oppose a woman's right to choose? You oppose healthcare reform?

[Trigg]

Women generally make less than men because they take time out for their families. I'd say the majority of women have either stopped working for a short time or dropped down to part-time while starting their families and raising small children. This affects their ability to move up the career ladder and make more money.



I think women agree that their children are worth the sacrifice.

[DragonStryk72]

Aren't the claims the dems make about repubs not liking women related to the issue of reproductive rights?


“As I look at the record of Republicans on women, it is not good,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA). “Personally I say it’s a war on women, and the more they protest it the more I say it. Because I really, truly believe it. They filibustered the Paycheck Fairness Act before. They left millions of women out of the Violence Against Women Act. They launched repeated attacks on women’s health including denying affordable access to birth control. They want to criminalize a woman’s right to choose. And they tried to repeal health reform, which prohibits discrimination because of gender — not to mention, makes investments in prevention.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/24/dems-plan-b-resurrect-war-on-women/



Okay, so Boxer's first point, paycheck fairness, isn't even being done by her, so how does she have the gall to call out republicans who are paying higher wages that she is?

The Violence Against Women Act: Violence against women, and men, is already illegal in every single state in the union, so what precisely is the point of passing a law that already exists without the act? It's like passing the Anti-Murder Act, we've already got that covered.

How precisely are they "denying access"? The most I've seen is that some red states have stopped funding abortion clinics, which still receive their private donations anyway. That has nothing to do with the many free medical clinics in those states, many of whom offer access to birth control, either for free or at low cost. As to abortion itself, there seems to be this idea that the Dems keep "forgetting" that there are a whole lot of women in the Republican Party as well, and a great number of them are also against abortion. There could possibly be some form of middle ground, save for the people accusing republicans of wanting women "to die in the streets".

Now, I wanna talk about the text I underlined and put in bold. The woman has just admitted openly to denying any chance at civil discourse. It would be like me calling Jim a rapist, then when he says he's never once committed a rape, me pointing at him and shrieking, "RAPIST! Jim's a RAPIST!!"

Again, how are they denying affordable access to BC to women? Are they raiding the trucks at Wal-Mart to make sure no condoms make it to the floor? Are they knocking over the pharmacies at wal-mart where you can get a 90-day supply of pills for $10, or 180-day supply for $14?

"They" is a nebulous term, one used by politicians so they don't have to name anyone, or back up their grandiose claims. Unfortunately, both sides pull that particular form of bullshit.

[cadet]

Does anyone else think that feminists have won, but are too stubborn to admit it?

[Wind Song]

If feminists had won Hillary Clinton would have been President.

[SassyLady]

How about a few less partisan generalizations?

How about you follow your own suggestions?

[Kathianne]

If feminists had won Hillary Clinton would have been President.

Got a link that Hillary lost because of the lack of male votes? Seems more likely that Obama won on the black vote, no?

[SassyLady]

If feminists had won Hillary Clinton would have been President.

Why do you think that? Are you saying there are no conservative feminists? And that all women should have voted for Hilary simply because she was a woman ... regardless of whether they disagreed with her politics.

Sometimes I have a hard time following your logic, or lack thereof.

[PostmodernProphet]

I think women agree that their children are worth the sacrifice.

well, perhaps not the one's who are pro-choice.......

[Trigg]

If feminists had won Hillary Clinton would have been President.


Why? You yourself said in another thread you wouldn't vote for a woman politician you disagreed with.


obama won because the blacks backed him en-mass and the college kids were voting for someone "cool"

[cadet]

If feminists had won Hillary Clinton would have been President.

Now now, if you're voting for her because she's a woman, doesn't that make you a sexist? Poor guys don't stand a chance against discriminating sexists like you.


(kinda like Obama, plenty of people voted for him because he's black)

[fj1200]

You oppose the Paycheck Fairness Act? The Violence Against Women Act?

You oppose a woman's right to choose? You oppose healthcare reform?

I don't believe women are helpless creatures that can only gain fairness by Federal fiat. There are already laws against perpetrators of violence. I believe life > convenience. There was nothing "reform" about the recent act.

[DragonStryk72]

If feminists had won Hillary Clinton would have been President.

She lost fair and square.