Politically correct art

[Noir]

No one wants all that vulgarity, not when we could be shamed by merely seeing such...

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/jonathan-mcc/tumblr_m003rzcXp61qbsbflo1_500.jpg

[Thunderknuckles]

Looks like they missed one.
The only shameful part of it all is that his is bigger than mine :(

[Trigg]

what is the little perv on the dolphin looking at :slap: just shameful

[Dilloduck]

cant' fool me----those black boxes form the shape of a giant pussy.

[Nell's Room]

I see no breasts but I certainly see a penis!:laugh:

I can't believe it was the first thing I noticed. I must be a really dirty bitch.

[revelarts]

Is that a Bouguereau version of Venus?
Very Nice, Awesome painting.
Says the resident "Fundamentalist"

Here's the unedited version
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/bouguereau-birth-of-venus-granger.jpg

I'm guessing you found a religious person who covered the privates?
While there's room for debate on public displays of nudity I don't think our culture, at this point, is really threatened by being TO modest. Whoever added those patches is using a teacup to block Niagara falls.
Noir do you think all public displays of nudity are fine, I'm guessing your answer is, No. Where the line is will always be in question, some folks still ere on the side of modesty.


Bouguereau also did some Awesome clothed figures
One of my Favorites, one of my rotating desktop images


http://stephengjertsongalleries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Bouguereau-Holy-Women-at-the-Tomb.jpg

[Abbey Marie]

Is that a Bouguereau version of Venus?
Very Nice, Awesome painting.
Says the resident "Fundamentalist"

Here's the unedited version
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/bouguereau-birth-of-venus-granger.jpg

I'm guessing you found a religious person who covered the privates?
While there's room for debate on public displays of nudity I don't think our culture, at this point, is really threatened by being TO modest. Whoever added those patches is using a teacup to block Niagara falls.
Noir do you think all public displays of nudity are fine, I'm guessing your answer is, No. Where the line is will always be in question, some folks still ere on the side of modesty.
...


I was guessing that someone did it sarcastically...

[Noir]

Is that a Bouguereau version of Venus?
Very Nice, Awesome painting.
Says the resident "Fundamentalist"

Here's the unedited version

I'm guessing you found a religious person who covered the privates?
While there's room for debate on public displays of nudity I don't think our culture, at this point, is really threatened by being TO modest. Whoever added those patches is using a teacup to block Niagara falls.
Noir do you think all public displays of nudity are fine, I'm guessing your answer is, No. Where the line is will always be in question, some folks still ere on the side of modesty.

Bouguereau also did some Awesome clothed figures
One of my Favorites, one of my rotating desktop images



The censorship was added to be satirical. As for your assumption of my thoughts on nudity, you're wrong.

[Kathianne]

Looks like they missed one.
The only shameful part of it all is that his is bigger than mine :(

Looks like Zeus to me. ;)

[Kathianne]

The censorship was added to be satirical. As for your assumption of my thoughts on nudity, you're wrong.

His assumption, as stated was that you would not approve of some displays of nudity, that weren't in 'good taste', you'd get to set the bar on that one.

Our Puritan streak has never been like the Taliban and the Buddha images.

[Noir]

His assumption, as stated was that you would not approve of some displays of nudity, that weren't in 'good taste', you'd get to set the bar on that one.

Our Puritan streak has never been like the Taliban and the Buddha images.

He said "Noir do you think all public displays of nudity are fine, I'm guessing your answer is, No."
The 'guessed answer' is a wrong answer. I don't see what your point about it is?

[Kathianne]

He said "Noir do you think all public displays of nudity are fine, I'm guessing your answer is, No."
The 'guessed answer' is a wrong answer. I don't see what your point about it is?

So you think all displays of nudity are fine? Regardless of context?

[Noir]

So you think all displays of nudity are fine? Regardless of context?

Yes.

[gabosaurus]

That just shows you the current divide in this country.
Liberals call it art.
Conservatives call it nudity.
Non-Americans call us puritanical idiots.

[jimnyc]

That just shows you the current divide in this country.
Liberals call it art.
Conservatives call it nudity.
Non-Americans call us puritanical idiots.

I've not seen a single conservative condemn true art as nudity.

[Noir]

I've not seen a single conservative condemn true art as nudity.

Now let's get very middle class and discuss what 'art' is...

[Kathianne]

Yes.

Ok then, we disagree. I don't have a problem with art, but do have a problem with public nudity for political reasons. It's an opinion though, nothing to do with throwing paint or worse at them. no, that's save for those on the left that don't like someone else's political demonstrations of one sort or another.

[jimnyc]

Now let's get very middle class and discuss what 'art' is...

I knew you were gonna go there!

Let's put it this way, I think of my Grandma growing up. If I showed her the picture you posted here, without being blacked out, she would still approve of it and state it's a nice piece of art. So think of it that way, if you can show it to Grandma, it might be art. If you can't show it to her, it's not art. :poke:

[Noir]

Ok then, we disagree. I don't have a problem with art, but do have a problem with public nudity for political reasons. It's an opinion though, nothing to do with throwing paint or worse at them. no, that's save for those on the left that don't like someone else's political demonstrations of one sort or another.

In what way politically opposed? I've heard people say they are against it on a matter of moral grounds, but never political ones (unless you mean the same thing as in politics as a principle idk)

[Kathianne]

In what way politically opposed? I've heard people say they are against it on a matter of moral grounds, but never political ones (unless you mean the same thing as in politics as a principle idk)

Most public nudity here is to make some sort of 'statement' for political reasons. I'm not against nude sunbathing, if one has the privacy. Same with nudist colonies or resorts, that's a choice.

[Noir]

Most public nudity here is to make some sort of 'statement' for political reasons. I'm not against nude sunbathing, if one has the privacy. Same with nudist colonies or resorts, that's a choice.

Oh I see, fairplay.

[Noir]

Remember when i went and made a sarcastic post...
No one wants all that vulgarity, not when we could be shamed by merely seeing such...

Well Fox news never disappoints.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/jonathan-mcc/84A5CA49-6362-4431-BE8A-008E5FE72E45_zpsc78ijryx.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/jonathan-mcc/media/84A5CA49-6362-4431-BE8A-008E5FE72E45_zpsc78ijryx.jpg.html)

[aboutime]

Since scientists are busy inventing all kinds of things everybody seems to be unhappy with. I personally DO NOT observe ANY form of Political Correctness, for any reason.

Therefore. I will wait for those scientists to formulate, or create a means where babies are born WEARING CLOTHES. Until then. I wonder if any of us, of the Human Ilk...were born with clothes?

So, nudity, being naked, and not wearing clothes is STILL the most common, Natural aspect of humanity.

Anyone who disagrees with that, has the very same right to believe otherwise.

[OAK]

Remember when i went and made a sarcastic post...

Well Fox news never disappoints.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/jonathan-mcc/84A5CA49-6362-4431-BE8A-008E5FE72E45_zpsc78ijryx.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/jonathan-mcc/media/84A5CA49-6362-4431-BE8A-008E5FE72E45_zpsc78ijryx.jpg.html)

That was FOX5 which is not FOX News. You Fail.

[Noir]

That was FOX5 which is not FOX News. You Fail.

So its a local FOX affiliate rather than the national broadcaster, is that more interesting a point than the fact that they *censored breasts on a Picasso painting*

[jimnyc]

Remember when i went and made a sarcastic post...

Well Fox news never disappoints.


So its a local FOX affiliate rather than the national broadcaster, is that more interesting a point than the fact that they *censored breasts on a Picasso painting*

If that were the 'more' interesting point, you wouldn't have posted as if Fox was caught in some sort of scandal. You look, ye shall find. Fox news is FAR from and hardly the only news station that will NOT air any type of nudity, whether live, pictures or even art. You think it's dumb, and I can see why. But explain that to the parents of 6 and 7 year old boys who may then have to explain it to their kids when they don't want to. It's sometimes best to be on this side of caution. It may seem dumb to you, but I've seen stations blasted for MUCH less. I've seen the FCC get tons of complaints because people THOUGHT they could see through someones clothes, because someone heard the word 'ass' or 'bitch'. And it's one thing when the complaint is about live TV, like a sporting event or such, but news stations have to be even more careful as they have the ability to stop what is happening, whereas live events are on a few second delay at best. Rather than hear complaints or get fined, be cautious.

And it doesn't matter if its Fox, an affiliate... ALL stations tend to do this.

And I would consider "censorship" to be when another prevents them from doing so. This is "self censorship", where a business decided it may be in their best interest to not air any form of nudity, whether you agree with that business decision or not.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That was FOX5 which is not FOX News. You Fail.

I like that painting, would have paid a $1.79 for it any day. The price paid proves some people have far more money than they know what to do with...
I know it is Art and thus should be appreciated as such but paying that much is stupidity
UNLESS- one is "parking money" , as such pieces of Art almost always continue to increase in value. -Tyr

[Noir]

You think it's dumb, and I can see why. But explain that to the parents of 6 and 7 year old boys who may then have to explain it to their kids when they don't want to.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
If someone is not prepared to explain what a breast is to their child then they had no business conceiving that child in the first place.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
If someone is not prepared to explain what a breast is to their child then they had no business conceiving that child in the first place.

Being prepared is one thing, trying to explain to a child at an inappropriate age(too young) is another. The parent's choice not some fool on a telecast, forcing the exchange.
Sure you have a right to your opinion but how many children have you raised?
There is a reason that full frontal nudity is not allow on such telecasts. --Tyr

[jimnyc]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
If someone is not prepared to explain what a breast is to their child then they had no business conceiving that child in the first place.

I don't think it's a matter of being able to, but rather of WHEN. What if it were a 2 year old, a 4 year old, 7 year old? At what age do you say "I think today is the day I teach my kid about nudity". Not all parents are as liberal about it as you are. Even schools in the USA don't start health classes on such until middle school (which is like 12 years old minimum).

But do you really believe that just because someone chose to have a child, they should allow them to see nudity of any kind at any age? I thought that's why we were called PARENTS, so that we PARENT, and know when to do such things, and don't reply on the television to determine how and when.

[Noir]

Being prepared is one thing, trying to explain to a child at an inappropriate age(too young) is another. The parent's choice not some fool on a telecast, forcing the exchange.
Sure you have a right to your opinion but how many children have you raised?
There is a reason that full frontal nudity is not allow on such telecasts. --Tyr

Inappropriate?
"Son that is a breast, which contains mammary glands, all mammals have mammary glands which produce milk to feed their young."

[Noir]

I don't think it's a matter of being able to, but rather of WHEN. What if it were a 2 year old, a 4 year old, 7 year old? At what age do you say "I think today is the day I teach my kid about nudity". Not all parents are as liberal about it as you are. Even schools in the USA don't start health classes on such until middle school (which is like 12 years old minimum).

But do you really believe that just because someone chose to have a child, they should allow them to see nudity of any kind at any age? I thought that's why we were called PARENTS, so that we PARENT, and know when to do such things, and don't reply on the television to determine how and when.

The 'when' occurs 'whenever' the child asks a question.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Inappropriate?
"Son that is a breast, which contains mammary glands, all mammals have mammary glands which produce milk to feed their young."

Inappropriate is a matter for me to decide for my child, not for others to decide... Thats the point..-Tyr

[jimnyc]

The 'when' occurs 'whenever' the child asks a question.

That's correct, and that's a PARENTAL decision, not Fox news or any other TV station to determine.

Besides, if you take issue with traditional parenting, and detest the way Fox news airs, why not just tune them out and tune into an "uncensored" tv station that airs without the FCC regulations. Well, at least here in the US we have that, as parents tend to care what our children are exposed to. I understand other countries air nudity in commercials and such, and that's grand and all, but it's not the USA.

You seem determined to tell the world that nudity is just perfectly fine, which is ok. But YOU tend to take it a step further, and also went to tell others they are wrong in their parenting, and that nudity should therefore be allowed pretty much everywhere and anywhere.

Children will inevitably talk about sex as well, but most parents wait till a certain age to discuss the "birds and the bees", not at 5 years of age, for example, because that's when it is asked, therefore that's when the talk will occur, Doesn't work that way, not in the REAL parenting world.

[jimnyc]

Inappropriate is a matter for me to decide for my child, not for others to decide... Thats the point..-Tyr

Liberals like Noir think they get to determine what is appropriate to have others see and what it not - and not just his silly old self. NO ONE WILL EVER tell me how I should raise my son, or what he should and should not be exposed to.

Hey Jeff, when you read this - what do YOU tell folks who tell you what is good and not good for your kids, and tell you better ways to raise them? :laugh:

I only ask Jeff as I've seen him answer this question in person a few times. He's quite polite and understanding about it. :laugh2:

[LongTermGuy]

Hey Jeff, when you read this - what do YOU tell folks who tell you what is good and not good for your kids, and tell you better ways to raise them? :laugh:

I only ask Jeff as I've seen him answer this question in person a few times. He's quite polite and understanding about it. :laugh2:

:coffee::clap::clap::laugh2:


http://images2.farmlanebooks.co.uk/2010/01/devil.gif

[Noir]

Inappropriate is a matter for me to decide for my child, not for others to decide... Thats the point..-Tyr

Do you take the same attitude with regards to penis' as you do breasts?

[jimnyc]

Do you take the same attitude with regards to penis' as you do breasts?

Absolutely, don't want my son seeing that on TV and such either. And I know you'll say "locker rooms", but even that kids aren't exposed to until middle school.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Do you take the same attitude with regards to penis' as you do breasts?

Being he is male and has one we discuss any question he has about it but that does not mean I want to see that shown on tv.
Not sure what it is about age appropriate that you fail to get....
How about explicit fornification on tv , should 5 year olds be watching that? I mean a line has to be drawn somewhre and thats my damn responsibility not some news station or tv broadcast to do for me by presenting images to stir the questions for a child too young to even understand any explanation when given.-Tyr

[Noir]

Being he is male and has one we discuss any question he has about it but that does not mean I want to see that shown on tv.

Or even an artists rendering apparently, what do you do on museum trips?


Not sure what it is about age appropriate that you fail to get....
How about explicit fornification on tv , should 5 year olds be watching that? I mean a line has to be drawn somewhre and thats my damn responsibility not some news station or tv broadcast to do for me by presenting images to stir the questions for a child too young to even understand any explanation when given.-Tyr

Applying the 'Age appropriate' moniker in the first place is what you fail to get. As you can not view a breast as anything other than sexual, you regard is an inappropriate.

[Noir]

Absolutely, don't want my son seeing that on TV and such either. And I know you'll say "locker rooms", but even that kids aren't exposed to until middle school.

And no child ever sees their own penis, ever.

[fj1200]

Well Fox news never disappoints.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/jonathan-mcc/84A5CA49-6362-4431-BE8A-008E5FE72E45_zpsc78ijryx.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/jonathan-mcc/media/84A5CA49-6362-4431-BE8A-008E5FE72E45_zpsc78ijryx.jpg.html)

:rolleyes: As pointed out, not Fox News. A bunch of libs, likely, in NYC.

Besides, the below is nothing to get excited about nor really have to censor.

http://publicradio1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/newscut/files/2015/05/the-women-of-algiers.jpg

Either show it or don't. Don't insult the viewers.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Or even an artists rendering apparently, what do you do on museum trips?



Or even an artists rendering apparently, what do you do on museum trips?


Or even an artists rendering apparently, what do you do on museum trips?

I do not take my son to see such as that as I think it great but as an adult I have the maturity, knowledge and worldliness to make that judgment.
My son does not and its my responsibility not to allow or ignore when others may try to force their "let it all hang out" philosophy upon him.-Tyr



Applying the 'Age appropriate' moniker in the first place is what you fail to get. As you can not view a breast as anything other than sexual, you regard is an inappropriate.

^^^^^, Redblooded American here, women's breasts are sexual turn on for most men(straight).....porn mags prove that easily enough.

That is, however, no reason to expose kids too young to the delights unless they are breast feeding methinks...and at that age all they want is the milk..--Tyr

[Noir]

I do not take my son to see such as that as I think it great but as an adult I have the maturity, knowledge and worldliness to make that judgment.
My son does not and its my responsibility not to allow or ignore when others may try to force their "let it all hang out" philosophy upon him.-Tyr

Wow, so at what age will your son be able to go to a museum?


^^^^^, Redblooded American here, women's breasts are sexual turn on for most men(straight).....porn mags prove that easily enough.

And you would be unable (or unwilling?) to describe to you son that the purpose of the breast, is for milk?

[Jeff]

Liberals like Noir think they get to determine what is appropriate to have others see and what it not - and not just his silly old self. NO ONE WILL EVER tell me how I should raise my son, or what he should and should not be exposed to.

Hey Jeff, when you read this - what do YOU tell folks who tell you what is good and not good for your kids, and tell you better ways to raise them? :laugh:

I only ask Jeff as I've seen him answer this question in person a few times. He's quite polite and understanding about it. :laugh2:

This is a age old question, one asked probably not long after the first kid was born, and yes I have had many ask me ( usually because they didn't approve of my ways ) # 1 my kid my way #2 if you are old enough you had your chance and if you are worried about me ( or any others ) than you probably failed miserable.

I had two mother in laws that tried to tell me how to do things, neither like me none to much because they learned rule #1 real quick, my kid my way.

Kids are all different and each child needs a different ways, my 13 year old craves the tough ass Dad that may split his Butt in half if he does wrong ( even though he has never actually hand much more than a smack on the ass ) but he thrives on knowing his dad is Bad. :laugh:

My 12 year old ( 10 months apart ) on the other hand needs love, he needs to know when he is wrong he is still loved, I can yell and scream and take things away ( or throw a computer out the window, yea that one really blew their minds :laugh: ) or I can just talk calmly to him, either way he just needs to know he is loved through any or all of it, and he will bend over backwards trying not to make the same mistake.

Again every child is different, and I really don't believe in a right or wrong way, it is a learning process, one that every parent has to go through, babies don't come with instructions nor do they all react the same way !!

I have raised 4 boys and none are in jail nor are they running around rioting and all that other trash, they all did decent in school, the 2 oldest went to work after HS and the 2 younger ones are still in Middle school but both have a straigh A average, they are in the Beta club ( junior honor society ) but yet they are as normal as apple pie, their rooms are disasters, they love girls and sports, in that order now a days, and they can handle themselves pretty well, yes I have raised them never to start a fight but never to shy away either and if they have to fight to keep swinging until they either fall out because they are just to tired to throw another punch or a teacher physically pulls them off, yes straight A students that take no shit from anyone. yes I am proud of them.