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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-13-2012, 11:39 PM
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South China Sea sovereignty dispute overshadows ASEAN talks
A dispute over rights to the South China Sea scuttled ASEAN regional talks on Friday, with China maintaining that it holds sovereignty over almost all of the sea, to which ASEAN members the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei also lay claim. By News Wires (text) AFP - Days of heated diplomacy at Southeast Asian talks ended in failure Friday as deep splits over China prevented the ASEAN grouping from issuing its customary joint statement for the first time.

Foreign ministers from the 10-member bloc have been wrangling since Monday to hammer out a diplomatic communique, which has held up progress on a separate code of conduct aimed at soothing tension in the flashpoint South China Sea.

China claims sovereignty over nearly all of the resource-rich sea, which is home to vital shipping lanes, but ASEAN members the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei have overlapping claims in the area.

The long-stalled code of conduct, strongly supported by the United States, is seen as a way of reducing the chances of a spat over fishing, shipping rights or oil and gas exploration tipping into an armed conflict.

China described the meeting as "productive" but the Philippines lambasted the failure at the end of the talks on Friday, saying "it deplores the non-issuance of a joint communique... which was unprecedented in ASEAN's 45-year existence".

It had insisted ASEAN refer to an armed stand-off with China last month over a rocky outcrop known as the Scarborough Shoal, but Cambodia -- a Beijing ally and chair of the meeting -- resisted.

Taking "strong exception" to Cambodia, the Philippine statement said divisions undercut ASEAN's goal of tackling disputes as a bloc "and not in a bilateral fashion -- the approach which its northern neighbour (China) has been insisting on".

The Philippines and the United States called this week for a unified ASEAN that could use its collective clout to negotiate with China, while Beijing prefers to deal with its smaller neighbours individually.

"China realises that it will be much more difficult to deal with the issue against ASEAN," said Pavin Chachavalpongpun, a professor at Kyoto University's Centre for Southeast Asian Studies. "The tactic is to divide and rule."

On Friday, Chinese state media reported that a 30-vessel fishing fleet had been sent to the sensitive Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, which are contested by Beijing, Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan.

Vietnam, Japan and the Philippines have all recently complained about perceived Chinese aggression in the sea over separate disputed seas.

Diplomatic sources, speaking anonymously to AFP, referred to angry exchanges at the ASEAN forum this week, with an emergency meeting called for early Friday morning also failing to break the deadlock on the joint statement.

"I think it would be fair to say that tempers in some of the private meetings have run hot. There have been some very tense back and forths," one US official said on Thursday.

China is a key bankroller of the host Cambodia and some diplomats said Beijing had twisted arms in Phnom Penh to prevent any reference to the South China Sea disputes in the communique.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin said: "It is a productive meeting and China's views and position on many issues has won the appreciation and support of many participating countries."

Cambodian Foreign Minister Hor Namhong expressed regret at the discord within ASEAN, but said he could "not accept that the joint communique has become the hostage of the bilateral issue (between the Philippines and China)".

Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who played a key role trying to broker a compromise, expressed "deep, profound disappointment" at the lack of consensus within the bloc.

"There is still a common view that we must, if anything, reinforce our efforts to work on the COC (code of conduct), to begin our talks with the Chinese on the COC," he added.

Foreign ministers said Sunday they had agreed "key elements" of a draft code to be presented to China, but these were not released to the media.

China was also cool on the idea of starting negotiations, almost 10 years since the idea of creating a code was first agreed, saying it would only negotiate "when conditions are ripe".

"Cambodia is showing itself as China's stalking horse. This will make negotiating a final code of conduct with China more difficult," said Southeast Asia expert Carl Thayer.

Pavin from Kyoto University said ASEAN and China would continue talks over the sea disputes, which are set to be a key topic at a summit of ASEAN leaders scheduled for November in Cambodia.


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Told you people China is going to try to regain "territories it claims it lost. Also said, watch China and the Philippines..-Tyr

taft2012
07-14-2012, 09:19 AM
Yet another entry for the "Filipinos are Brilliant" files.

Demanded their independence, and virtually every day since independence have been grovelling for American green cards.

Jacked up the rent on Subic Bay, and lost the profitable American presence.

Now in a territorial dispute with China, which they are destined to lose, which would never have happened if they were still an American territory.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-14-2012, 09:33 AM
Yet another entry for the "Filipinos are Brilliant" files.

Demanded their independence, and virtually every day since independence have been grovelling for American green cards.

Jacked up the rent on Subic Bay, and lost the profitable American presence.

Now in a territorial dispute with China, which they are destined to lose, which would never have happened if they were still an American territory.

Exactly. The government there is controlled completely by the wealthiest ruling familes. A few dozen at most control
all. China claims all the Philippines as "lost territory". China will eventually just take them. When that happens they will be yet again under a ruling yoke worse than the one the Spanish had on them before we got them as a result of the Spanish/American war. Remember that China also claims Hawaii as "lost territory"!
Hell, if it would insure Obama the election he would issue an Executive Order giving Hawaii to them in a heartbeat.-Tyr

taft2012
07-14-2012, 09:44 AM
Exactly. The government there is controlled completely by the wealthiest ruling familes. A few dozen at most control all.[/B]

And all Filipinos are interested in is what Boy Abunda has to say on "The Buzz", which celebrities are dating each other, and watching tacky dramas and crying.

It is a culture of beggars without an ounce of shame attached to it.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-14-2012, 09:59 AM
And all Filipinos are interested in is what Boy Abunda has to say on "The Buzz", which celebrities are dating each other, and watching tacky dramas and crying.

It is a culture of beggars without an ounce of shame attached to it.

Can not expect much more after 300+ years of Spanish rule then American rule, they are small islands and have very little resources. About 20% of the population at any given time is working as overseas workers around the globe just to support their families back home.

True, those that beg do so without shame but not all do so. Those that want to care for themselves do so there but it's severely limited because of the great lack of jobs. And the system there of working people six months , laying them off to hire new workers, serves to rotate and give others a chance to work but also never gives security of income. Its a bad deal all the way around over there. Which is why the wife and I will never go there to live! Some married to filipina's go there to retire but not me! America is my home , in my blood and living anywhere else is out of the question for me.-Tyr

taft2012
07-14-2012, 10:40 AM
Yes, but you would think that at some point the people would ask themselves, "Of all of the countries in the region, why are we the most backwards?"

If you've ever watched television over there, you know there are zero public policy discussion programs. The people are completely ignorant of the implications of policy and have virtually no interest in any of it.

They are content to live as slaves, and their compliance merely gives the government to go-ahead to treat them like slaves.

I imagine you are like me and have relations living there, and therefore get frequent correspondence mooching for money.