Insulting of Religions

[jimnyc]

Everyone has had their faith mocked at one time or another, to various degrees. Even atheists get mocked for their POV's, even if theirs is more of a scientific belief. But what are these insults and how do we respond? How are we taught to respond? Does your holy book address the issue?

If someone denies Jesus as our saviour, is that in insult, and how does one respond? What if someone makes lame jokes about him, or depicts him in a manner to make fun of him? What is someone goes out of their way to mock the Holy Bible in the worst of ways? What if someone made cartoons of Jesus, and the Bible, and "God" to them? What if someone were to protest in front of a Church, or at the Vatican?

What if someone were to do the same to Jews? And makes fun of their Torah, or Jewish holidays? Or protested at a synagogue and carried "picket signs" with depictions of things insulting the Jewish faith?

What if someone insults Islam, or Muslims in general? What if someone verbally made jokes and insulted Muhammed? Or drew pictures of him making fun of him? Or picketed in front of a Mosque with signs containing insults and pictures of Muhammed?

How different are the responses? How much difference does it make in which part of the world you are from? Do any of the holy books address any of these topics?

There is so much animosity in religion. We even see it here on DP almost on a daily basis. And it certainly doesn't seem like any religion is free from some sort of scorn. It just seems like everyone has a different idea as to what is allowed to be done, what can and cannot be insulted. Is it freedom of speech to protest any religion, or is that determined by where the protest is taking place?

[aboutime]

Totally agree with you jimnyc. The only guide I use. No matter what anyone may say about my religion or theirs is. The FIRST Amendment of the Constitution is, and always will be my guide.
I will not YELL FIRE in a theater. But I WILL fight to the death to maintain my right to SAY what I want.

[gabosaurus]

I was never very concerned about religion or how people felt about it until my husband and I bought our current house and met the Muslim family who live across the street. They taught me a lot about the different levels that some societies regard religion.
There were way few religions in the U.S. where faith is a way of life. Even the most religious of Americans don't allow their faiths to dictate how the live their lives.

For many Muslims and Sikhs, religion is their life. That is why so many Islamic countries have a state religion. It's their way or the highway. You are either a Muslim or you don't live there. Or you are severely persecuted. Your faith determines how you live your life, 24/7.
In those countries, there is no separation of church and state. The church is the state. Religious leaders run the country. Religious laws are the country's laws.
This is why you see so many Muslim people emigrate to Western countries. They want a life outside of strict religious doctrine. But the get smeared with the same extremist tags that the more fanatical retain.
Americans have a lot of love for others. But some have an equal amount of hate for those they don't understand.

[Voted4Reagan]

As a Catholic (a Pro Choice Lax one at that) I never feel the need to come out and insult anyones religion.. I tolerate everyone..

If you want to worship a kitchen sink and call it the one tru faith by all means... go right ahead.

What I cant abide are those who say they are Atheists that feel it proper to condemn every belief system but their own...

The fact that they are so aggressive about it and try to convert people to their train of thought makes me wonder one thing...

Has Atheism become the newest religion to promote Proselytism?

certainly seems they want to convert folks to their opinion....

by Definition,,,,,

Proselytizing ( /ˈprɒsɨlɨtaɪzɨŋ/) is the act of attempting to convert people to another opinion and, particularly, another religion. The word proselytize is derived ultimately from the Greek language prefix προσ- (toward) and the verb ἔρχομαι (to come) in the form of προσήλυτος (a new comer).[1] Historically in the Koine Greek Septuagint and New Testament, the word proselyte denoted a gentile who was considering conversion to Judaism. Though the word proselytism originally referred to Early Christianity (and earlier Gentiles), it now refers to any religions' or religious individuals' attempts to convert people to their beliefs or even any attempt to convert people to another point of view, religious or not.

by definition they are guilty of the same transgressions they accuse the major religions of the world of....

but they can do what they like... I just find it hypocritical....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I was never very concerned about religion or how people felt about it until my husband and I bought our current house and met the Muslim family who live across the street. They taught me a lot about the different levels that some societies regard religion.
There were way few religions in the U.S. where faith is a way of life. Even the most religious of Americans don't allow their faiths to dictate how the live their lives.

For many Muslims and Sikhs, religion is their life. That is why so many Islamic countries have a state religion. It's their way or the highway. You are either a Muslim or you don't live there. Or you are severely persecuted. Your faith determines how you live your life, 24/7.
In those countries, there is no separation of church and state. The church is the state. Religious leaders run the country. Religious laws are the country's laws.
This is why you see so many Muslim people emigrate to Western countries. They want a life outside of strict religious doctrine. But the get smeared with the same extremist tags that the more fanatical retain.
Americans have a lot of love for others. But some have an equal amount of hate for those they don't understand.

Bull, we understand them all too well. Bully for you that you have muslim neighbors that havent cut your head off, (yet)! Let thier mosque and top dog mullah give 'em the word and you are likely to be without a head to rest your pillow under. Your knowledge about Islam's brutally violent history and current worldwide campaign to subjegate all to Allah's tyranny is pathetic IMHO. It is much like the foolish guy that has found the local pretty whore and thinks that she sets the moon because he only sees what he wants to see! Reality always bites him in the ass but in your case perhaps you's think thats just fine and would happily go along with them instead of your fellow American citizens that do not want to be dead or slaves to Allah! Which are the only two choices the socalled Relgion of Peace offers. Your goofyness is that because it hasnt happened here yet its never going to be tried here. Why, do you think they honor us so much as to think that we ALONE should be above their Allah!?? They only honor ALLAH...WE INFIDELS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE NO MORE THAN ANIMALS TO BE SLAUGHTERED IF WE DO NOT YIELD..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI&NR=1

[jafar00]

So Tyr and aboutime, when will we see you two in the news after gunning down innocent people because you have driven yourselves insane with your hate?

[gabosaurus]

So Tyr and aboutime, when will we see you two in the news after gunning down innocent people because you have driven yourselves insane with your hate?

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

Amazing how we "spewing redneck gun crazy" two guys just got you to reveal so much more of your true self!
So all that openly admit to being patriots are cowards or is just those that point out your bullshit?
Foreigners dislike Americans primarily due to thier jealousy of all that we have here while they grovel to kiss ass for thier socialist government hand outs genius. Obama is currently trying to engineer that ass kissing inducing reign of government hand outs here which you in your liberal ignorance cheer on as marvelous enlightenment! You that ignorantly praise the Islamists that have as thier fondest wish to force all Americans to be slaves to thier religion dare to call others unpatriotic! Katy bar the door the jackass has arrived to preach on liberal enlightenment and muslim love to we foolish hatefilled peasants!
Could you be any more deluded and muslim awestruck foolish???? Climbing into the pit with the crocodile that will eat you because you fancy its big tail and marvel at the smoothness of its scales! --:laugh2:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So Tyr and aboutime, when will we see you two in the news after gunning down innocent people because you have driven yourselves insane with your hate?

Hey bub, if I ever gun down anybody you can bet your damn favorite prayer rug and camel that they weren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination and richly deserved every piece of hot lead that I placed into thier miserable body. As I'll only shoot in self defense and/or defense of my country. I'm sure that truth is hate to you as it is too all muslims IMHO.
Im betting that long before that ever happens you will long be stark raving mad with hate for my never ending parade of truth about Islam and its true agenda! :laugh2:-Tyr

[SassyLady]

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

Gabby, I think you need to revisit DU ...one of the most hate-filled places I've ever visited. Those type of people, who think they are intellectually and morally superior to their own countrymen, much less the rest of the world, are why foreigners dislike Americans.

[jafar00]

Foreigners dislike Americans primarily due to thier jealousy of all that we have here while they grovel to kiss ass for thier socialist government hand outs genius.

Actually we dislike some of you because you are hate filled, loud mouthed rednecks. Thankfully I know that there are not that many of you and your bile has little to no support among most Americans.

And there is nothing wrong with a little patriotism, but when that leads to a superiority complex, it's time to call in the shrink.


Hey bub, if I ever gun down anybody you can bet your damn favorite prayer rug and camel that they weren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination and richly deserved every piece of hot lead that I placed into thier miserable body. As I'll only shoot in self defense and/or defense of my country. I'm sure that truth is hate to you as it is too all muslims IMHO.
Im betting that long before that ever happens you will long be stark raving mad with hate for my never ending parade of truth about Islam and its true agenda! :laugh2:-Tyr

I don't hate you Tyr. I just disagree with you 99% of the time :p

BTW I don't have a camel, but I am looking forward to eating my Mother in Law's famous Camel Kofta kebabs in a few days when I arrive in Cairo. Delicious!

[jimnyc]

Should have known this would quickly go into a shitfest between members as opposed to staying with general comments.

Anyway....

How many religions actually have it written to assault or kill people that insult their good book or leaders/gods/prophets? And how many in this day and age still subscribe to that level of violence?

[red state]

jafar wrote:
Actually we dislike some of you because you are hate filled, loud mouthed rednecks. Thankfully I know that there are not that many of you and your bile has little to no support among most Americans.

:lol::lame2:

You actually hit the nail on the head with that statement of hating us because we're loud mouthed rednecks. What upsets most of the world is that WE THE PEOPLE can still voice our opinion and you'll get your @$$ kicked if you try and shut us up. It is a FACT that muSLUMs, migrate to other countries to "infiltrate", "indoctrinate" and "dictate". It is usually weak countries such as Australia, Britain, France and Canada who were (at one time) free nations but chose to roll over to the liberal filth that wants everyone to tolerate others when they and their muslum "friendos" don't have an ounce of tolerance.

As for you disagreeing with Tyr...that is a compliment to him and a relief to me and others who still believe in FREEDOM and the worth while effort to retain such freedoms. You can roll over if you like and pucker up but we "REDNECKS" don't play that game!

[aboutime]

Hey bub, if I ever gun down anybody you can bet your damn favorite prayer rug and camel that they weren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination and richly deserved every piece of hot lead that I placed into thier miserable body. As I'll only shoot in self defense and/or defense of my country. I'm sure that truth is hate to you as it is too all muslims IMHO.
Im betting that long before that ever happens you will long be stark raving mad with hate for my never ending parade of truth about Islam and its true agenda! :laugh2:-Tyr


Tyr. How predictable can someone like jafar be?
According to his so-called standards here in using name calling to demonstrate his low educational background.
He is telling us that he expects us to lower ourselves to his level, in following his loyalty to that Religion of Peace
he claims would never do...as he suggests.
Jafar needs to express his endless hatred here.
Using the name calling is just more of the typical techniques used by liberal hate mongers.
First they insult in their own way. Then, when someone doesn't just bow down to their demands.
They reach into their hate filled bag of tricks. Much like Obama has, and is doing every time he attempts to divide this nation all the more.
Jafar is nothing but a mouthpiece of hatred.
Disguised as a Loving, Tolerant Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
Something we all recognize as a member of the Taliban, or the Muslim Brotherhood.
The first strike is always the claim of Racism designed to QUELL, or CEASE all further discussions designed to make us feel bad at being labeled Racists.
Problem is. THAT SHOE is now on the other foot for them.
And they have nothing else but Hatred to use in destroying themselves.

[jimnyc]

*** Off topic ***

Guys, just wanted to once again make a mention about coloring of posts, whether an actual color or turning an entire post into bold. This makes it difficult for others to read. Many will just skip over such posts, and I doubt those taking the time to make a well thought out post want others skipping or ignoring their posts. It sometimes draws attention to the post, but in a negative manner. And IMO, also makes the post above and below more difficult to read.

Just food for thought for now

[aboutime]

*** Off topic ***

Guys, just wanted to once again make a mention about coloring of posts, whether an actual color or turning an entire post into bold. This makes it difficult for others to read. Many will just skip over such posts, and I doubt those taking the time to make a well thought out post want others skipping or ignoring their posts. It sometimes draws attention to the post, but in a negative manner. And IMO, also makes the post above and below more difficult to read.

Just food for thought for now


jimnyc. I understand your request. However. I do have a vision problem. It goes with age, and many of the meds I take daily, which is why I tend to use BOLD so often.
Fact is. Reading this, without the BOLD is DIFFICULT for me, and possibly others to read as well.

If some want to skip over my posts. There is that IGNORE feature you have talked about using.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Gabby, I think you need to revisit DU ...one of the most hate-filled places I've ever visited. Those type of people, who think they are intellectually and morally superior to their own countrymen, much less the rest of the world, are why foreigners dislike Americans.

Well stated and likely not very well received by our resident lib/leftist//muslim devotee Gabby.
Still, truth is a powerful weapon and we ALL should use it more often to "slay" the deluded ignorants and the liars.

[aboutime]

Well stated and likely not very well received by our resident lib/leftist//muslim devotee Gabby.
Still, truth is a powerful weapon and we ALL should use it more often to "slay" the deluded ignorants and the liars.


DU is a great place to visit if you need to be reminded what kind of hate, ignorance, and stupidity is running behind the Democrats, and Obama for support.

[red state]

Thanks for that video, Aboutime. The videos below also shows the love of isSLUM and although one is VERY graphic, is not the one that needs to be shown which gives the name and account of each women and from where she was from. They seem to have removed that video or I simply couldn't find it. I wonder if the biggest reason for muSLUMs wanting to cover their women is due to their cowardly acts of beating a woman....or WORSE. Many of these women were attacked by their own husbands or fiance's who were either turned down or the women was not "profitable" enough to him or his family. The first video is one account (from many) who have accepted Christ after being a muSLUM.

There are many such videos and new releases (from be-headings, stonings and scarring of women WORD WIDE) but they were far too graphic and I will leave this to your 'indiscretion' of whether you wish to research it or not. These are WORLD wide and predominantly muSLUM acts. Out of fairness, I did a few searches for Christians be-head woman, stone woman etc., etc. but the results came up with an opposite title (muSLUM be-heads, stones, burns Christian Church with 100 inside, etc. etc. There was one news release of RED NECK Christians attack muSLUM but it was merely a protest situation where a guy is praying in the street while other chant Jesus and one guy carries the Flag of King David's Star....no violence (sorry). They did pray for the muSLUM so I guess that was the reported "ATTACK". They had as much RIGHT to be their publicly as a muSLUM praying to allah or an atheist celebrating 4-1-13. I also tried to find accounts of Christians attacking someone who converted to isSLUM but that turned up dry as well. I did find a few links such as this one: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2012/0617/Christians-retaliate-after-three-more-churches-bombed-in-Nigeria but it turned out to be a dead end with muSLUMs actually being the attackers (YET AGAIN). I'm certain that there are stories out there BUT the overwhelming evidence and percentage will find muSLUMs attacking EVERYONE ELSE. This is not a particular group of muSLUMs...this is WORLD WIDE and from varying forms of isSLUM.

The testimony of the lady below is truly wonderful. She found TRUTH and truth apparently overwhelmed her. I can only imagine what it would feel like to live in darkness and evil for so long and suddenly be exposed to LIGHT and TRUTH. I'd probably fall out as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmhljRe465Q&feature=player_detailpage
I could have posted some horror stories of those who had converted from isSLUM to Christianity but I thought it more inspirational to give an account of one who got out of that cult of isSLUM ( a cult without originality, other than its violence, that only copies and distorts what the Jews and Christians had written). She is indeed blessed because not everyone has made such a change in their life without bodily harm or death.

WARNING: Very graphic as is most muSLUM videos where punishment was give to those who get in the way the punisher's pride or profit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVe0ywEO-A&feature=player_detailpage

[jimnyc]

jimnyc. I understand your request. However. I do have a vision problem. It goes with age, and many of the meds I take daily, which is why I tend to use BOLD so often.
Fact is. Reading this, without the BOLD is DIFFICULT for me, and possibly others to read as well.

If some want to skip over my posts. There is that IGNORE feature you have talked about using.

What about the 98% of posts that everyone else writes? I understand and sympathize with vision issues, but only bold on your posts won't help with all of the others.

[aboutime]

What about the 98% of posts that everyone else writes? I understand and sympathize with vision issues, but only bold on your posts won't help with all of the others.


Not a problem jimnyc. This is your forum. I have no problem with what you want. I just told you what I had to say. No attempt to change it, or disagree. See. I'm following your instructions right now. Okay?

[gabosaurus]

jimnyc. I understand your request. However. I do have a vision problem. It goes with age, and many of the meds I take daily, which is why I tend to use BOLD so often.
Fact is. Reading this, without the BOLD is DIFFICULT for me, and possibly others to read as well.


Dude, why are you asking for special favors? If we allow you to post in bold colors, then everyone will want to post in bold colors. Pretty soon, non-Christian gays will be overrunning the place, marrying animals and requiring everyone to wear hajibs and regard cows as sacred.
RULES ARE RULES!
NO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS!

[jimnyc]

Not a problem jimnyc. This is your forum. I have no problem with what you want. I just told you what I had to say. No attempt to change it, or disagree. See. I'm following your instructions right now. Okay?

I didn't mean it as a demand. I was just curious about how much trouble you had with the posts from everyone else. There are other ways to enhance the posts, from your side. You can change your resolution, and there are options in your control panel to change the size of the text on your screen as well.

[jimnyc]

Dude, why are you asking for special favors?

To be fair, that's not the way I read into it. I think he was explaining things, not asking for favors.

[Thunderknuckles]

How different are the responses? How much difference does it make in which part of the world you are from? Do any of the holy books address any of these topics?
I can only speak for the Bible in this case. The general rule is delivered in Romans 14:1-23:

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"

Essentially, it is not our place to pass judgement, much less deliver punishment on people who have different beliefs from our own.

[gabosaurus]

I can only speak for the Bible in this case. The general rule is delivered in Romans 14:1-23:

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"

Essentially, it is not our place to pass judgement, much less deliver punishment on people who have different beliefs from our own.


Unfortunately, there are those who believe it is their duty to pass judgement. Often in the name of our Lord and Savior.
They directly conflict with God when he said "I am the God of all people."
Allah said that God has many names. The Christian God also says He has many names.
It is only the less knowing and less tolerant who attempt to see it otherwise.

[jimnyc]

I can only speak for the Bible in this case. The general rule is delivered in Romans 14:1-23:

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"

Essentially, it is not our place to pass judgement, much less deliver punishment on people who have different beliefs from our own.


Absolutely, unless of course it delves into abuse, violence or killing. Then it does become the business of everyone. No human should ever turn a shoulder to atrocities brought upon the weak for having an opinion.

[jafar00]

Thanks for that video, Aboutime. The videos below also shows the love of isSLUM and although one is VERY graphic, is not the one that needs to be shown which gives the name and account of each women and from where she was from. They seem to have removed that video or I simply couldn't find it. I wonder if the biggest reason for muSLUMs wanting to cover their women is due to their cowardly acts of beating a woman....or WORSE. Many of these women were attacked by their own husbands or fiance's who were either turned down or the women was not "profitable" enough to him or his family. The first video is one account (from many) who have accepted Christ after being a muSLUM.

There are many such videos and new releases (from be-headings, stonings and scarring of women WORD WIDE) but they were far too graphic and I will leave this to your 'indiscretion' of whether you wish to research it or not. These are WORLD wide and predominantly muSLUM acts. Out of fairness, I did a few searches for Christians be-head woman, stone woman etc., etc. but the results came up with an opposite title (muSLUM be-heads, stones, burns Christian Church with 100 inside, etc. etc. There was one news release of RED NECK Christians attack muSLUM but it was merely a protest situation where a guy is praying in the street while other chant Jesus and one guy carries the Flag of King David's Star....no violence (sorry). They did pray for the muSLUM so I guess that was the reported "ATTACK". They had as much RIGHT to be their publicly as a muSLUM praying to allah or an atheist celebrating 4-1-13. I also tried to find accounts of Christians attacking someone who converted to isSLUM but that turned up dry as well. I did find a few links such as this one: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2012/0617/Christians-retaliate-after-three-more-churches-bombed-in-Nigeria but it turned out to be a dead end with muSLUMs actually being the attackers (YET AGAIN). I'm certain that there are stories out there BUT the overwhelming evidence and percentage will find muSLUMs attacking EVERYONE ELSE. This is not a particular group of muSLUMs...this is WORLD WIDE and from varying forms of isSLUM.

The testimony of the lady below is truly wonderful. She found TRUTH and truth apparently overwhelmed her. I can only imagine what it would feel like to live in darkness and evil for so long and suddenly be exposed to LIGHT and TRUTH. I'd probably fall out as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmhljRe465Q&feature=player_detailpage
I could have posted some horror stories of those who had converted from isSLUM to Christianity but I thought it more inspirational to give an account of one who got out of that cult of isSLUM ( a cult without originality, other than its violence, that only copies and distorts what the Jews and Christians had written). She is indeed blessed because not everyone has made such a change in their life without bodily harm or death.

WARNING: Very graphic as is most muSLUM videos where punishment was give to those who get in the way the punisher's pride or profit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVe0ywEO-A&feature=player_detailpage

I see your negative hate videos and raise you..... positive and happy ones of people who converted to Islam including....

A former Priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfzFYEOVDgM

A random guy on the street who had just become a Catholic but is a Muslim!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aaRfU3axpA

And a Hindu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MBSmpDlL4w

And a Buddhist who converted to Islam after studying the Bible!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDADMlUsb8w

And 52 famous converts to Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RawbaoXJ2e8

[aboutime]

THANKS jafar.

In just one post, with all of your photos. You just managed to PROVE, without question, or exception. That my posts about you were absolutely, positively ON THE MARK.

You need not say anything else. And I no longer need to point out anything I suspected about you.
You did it all by yourself.
Thank you very much.

Since you think we are all taking part in some CARD GAME, gambling on someone like you being whatever you intend to pretend to be. Just won't work. You can play your GAMBLE somewhere else now.
Your game of Fishing....has no bait.

[gabosaurus]

THANKS jafar.

In just one post, with all of your photos. You just managed to PROVE, without question, or exception. That my posts about you were absolutely, positively ON THE MARK.


Jafar is certainly on the mark about you. In that you know next to zero about religion.
Dude, just admit that you are a false Christian who believes in violence, death and inequality of those who aren't exactly like you. In other words, you are a Godless coward who talks to cover up what you don't know.

[aboutime]

Jafar is certainly on the mark about you. In that you know next to zero about religion.
Dude, just admit that you are a false Christian who believes in violence, death and inequality of those who aren't exactly like you. In other words, you are a Godless coward who talks to cover up what you don't know.


Thanks to you as well Gabby. If you insist with all of your gobbelygoop above. Say whatever trips your trigger, and makes you feel so much smarter than the average bear.
Look at all of the accusations you used above. A good sign that a liberal, non-thinker is nearby, and trying to impress SELF by making such standard accusations to cover up your own educational, and mental challenges.
Thanks again.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Jafar is certainly on the mark about you. In that you know next to zero about religion.
Dude, just admit that you are a false Christian who believes in violence, death and inequality of those who aren't exactly like you. In other words, you are a Godless coward who talks to cover up what you don't know.

Even Jafar shows more class and respect for his opponents here than you do!
Hell, I have far, far more respect for him than I do for you. At least he is honorable and true to his beliefs..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Even Jafar shows more class and respect for his opponents here than you do!
Hell, I have far, far more respect for him than I do for you. At least he is honorable and true to his beliefs..-Tyr


Tyr. How long has it been since we've had this much fun?

I am enjoying the exploits of those who ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY insist, they are smarter, and more highly educated. Especially when they let their pre-school guard down, and start using the name calling, and accusations that IDENTIFY them so well.

[Drummond]

For many Muslims and Sikhs, religion is their life. That is why so many Islamic countries have a state religion. It's their way or the highway. You are either a Muslim or you don't live there. Or you are severely persecuted. Your faith determines how you live your life, 24/7.
In those countries, there is no separation of church and state. The church is the state. Religious leaders run the country. Religious laws are the country's laws.
This is why you see so many Muslim people emigrate to Western countries. They want a life outside of strict religious doctrine. But the get smeared with the same extremist tags that the more fanatical retain.
Americans have a lot of love for others. But some have an equal amount of hate for those they don't understand.

What you describe of Muslim behaviour definitely doesn't sound like our experience on this side of the Pond.

Our experience is that Muslims go to a specific area, establish roots there, then proceed to turn the area into one that's recognisably Muslim. There isn't any attempt to integrate. Just .. as you describe it .. 'their way, or the highway'.

See --

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/27-09-2011/119170-britain_muslims-0/


The majority of British Muslims do not want to adopt the traditions of the local population. According to WikiLeaks, up to 40 percent of Muslim students in Britain want to live under shariah laws. As many as 32 percent of them are ready to justify a murder committed in the name of Allah. More than a half of the polled said that they would like to see the Islamic Party in the House of Commons of the British Parliament.

Many members of the Muslim Brotherhood found shelter in the British capital. This radical organization is still banned in many Arab states. The administration of the Syrian division of the organization moved to London in 2000.

Many imams of British mosques condemn Islamic radicalism. There are exceptions, though. Abu Hamza al-Masri, the imam of the mosque in the north of London (Finsbury Park), openly supported terrorist acts in Russia. He moved to Britain from Egypt, where he could face a prison term. He also collected the funds to send gunmen to Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. The imam was arrested in 2006, but he was sentenced to only seven years in jail. The decision left many Britons perplexed.

Other Muslim organizations that conduct their activities in Britain - Al-Muhajiroun, for example - urge their followers to support the fighters for freedom in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya and Bosnia.

The above-mentioned arrests showed that the situation with the integration of Muslims in the British community leaves much to be desired. Prime Minister David Cameron acknowledged that in February of this year.

'They want a life outside of strict religious doctrine', you say ? REALLY ?

Ever heard of Anjem Choudary ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1163133/Islamic-hate-preacher-Anjem-Choudary-probed-hide-terror-clues.html


Radical Muslim Anjem Choudary could face a police inquiry over calls to his followers to hide evidence from investigators.

Scotland Yard is examining a video of a 90-minute speech by Choudary on an extremist website.

On the tape he apparently says: 'Your house should be clean. There should be nothing at all there which they can come along and then can form some sort of intention.'
He also allegedly urges terror suspects to flee Britain, telling them: 'Don't take your chance in court.'

Choudary, 41, whose supporters recently hurled abuse at soldiers from the Royal Anglian Regiment returning from Afghanistan, is under constant review by MI5 and police. the Metropolitan Police's counter-terrorism command is examining his latest speech.

Police are already believed to be examining whether he broke the law in calling for money to be collected for islamic fighters.

On a website he has allegedly been heard calling on Muslims not to save money for their families but to give it to Mujahideen - holy warriors.

It is an offence under the terrorism Act to raise money for terrorism, whether in this country or overseas.

[Noir]

I don't see why any religious person should ever concern themselves with what I do, as regards the rules they chose to live by.

If someone is thinks it insults The Lord to work on Sundays, or finds it disrespectful to depict a prophet, they're welcome to not work on Sundays or draw prophets, but as soon as they put those limitations on other people, they enter the realm of stupidity. At which point they should be laughed at.

[DragonStryk72]

jafar wrote:
Actually we dislike some of you because you are hate filled, loud mouthed rednecks. Thankfully I know that there are not that many of you and your bile has little to no support among most Americans.

:lol::lame2:

You actually hit the nail on the head with that statement of hating us because we're loud mouthed rednecks. What upsets most of the world is that WE THE PEOPLE can still voice our opinion and you'll get your @$$ kicked if you try and shut us up. It is a FACT that muSLUMs, migrate to other countries to "infiltrate", "indoctrinate" and "dictate". It is usually weak countries such as Australia, Britain, France and Canada who were (at one time) free nations but chose to roll over to the liberal filth that wants everyone to tolerate others when they and their muslum "friendos" don't have an ounce of tolerance.

As for you disagreeing with Tyr...that is a compliment to him and a relief to me and others who still believe in FREEDOM and the worth while effort to retain such freedoms. You can roll over if you like and pucker up but we "REDNECKS" don't play that game!

Unlike the US, how? Let's go talk to the native americans about how much we let them have their opinions, culture and beliefs allowed. Or how about the WWII Japanese? I'm certain they were thrilled about the camps. Oh right, the 1950s "communists", who were guilty until proven guilty of having "Unamerican" beliefs. Now let's talk about "spreading democracy", and I think you'll see there may just be a few more reasons they might dislike us, like the fact that we just decide our way's better, screw around in their country til the PR gets bad on it, and walk away to meddle with someone else.

But I'm sure if Gabs got to tell you how and where to live, as well as got to override your objections to it, and had enough backing to make whatever pitiful attempt you make at making a stand against it a godamned joke, you'd be pleased as punch with her. After all, she's "improving" your life and culture. So no burning resentment from you at all.

[DragonStryk72]

I don't see why any religious person should ever concern themselves with what I do, as regards the rules they chose to live by.

If someone is thinks it insults The Lord to work on Sundays, or finds it disrespectful to depict a prophet, they're welcome to not work on Sundays or draw prophets, but as soon as they put those limitations on other people, they enter the realm of stupidity. At which point they should be laughed at.

Wait, Atheism has rules? I thought that was the whole upswing? Well, I suppose there is that one that you can't believe in a higher being, and all.

[Noir]

Wait, Atheism has rules? I thought that was the whole upswing? Well, I suppose there is that one that you can't believe in a higher being, and all.

Nope, I meant when religious people try and push their rules -brought about but their religion- on others. It is not disrespectful for me to not adhere to their rules.

[revelarts]

As far as Insults Go for the Christian we are told to expect them and to pray for the folks that do it. As Jesus Said on the Cross "forgive them for they don't know what they are doing."
Doesn't mean that some folks don't get REAL PISSED when people say certain things but if better angel prevail forgiveness wins out over a fight.





I can only speak for the Bible in this case. The general rule is delivered in Romans 14:1-23:

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"

Essentially, it is not our place to pass judgement, much less deliver punishment on people who have different beliefs from our own.

That's basically the jist of the New Testament.
For Christians we are instructed that faith is a mater of personal choice/election. That it can not be forced by others. But we are to Proseletize. that is TALK tell people they SHOULD believe. But never at the point of a gun or human threat. If Hell isn't threat enough we don't get to add to it.
AS far as people coming and going form the faith, Happy to see to come sad to see you go but another verse says that if you leave you probably where never really a believer. We might need to try to get you save "for REAL" . by talking.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Isaiah 41: 20
So that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

21 “Present your case, ” says the Lord. “Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
22 “Tell us, you idols, what is going to happen. Tell us what the former things were, so that we may consider them and know their final outcome. Or declare to us the things to come, ...

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,..
Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 18:9
And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Chistians are Commanded to TALK, it bugs the heck out of people but that's a HUGE part of what we understand God wants us to do. Some times we are obnoxious about it but really, that should be as bad as it gets.

As far as the law is concerned In America we have the option of participating in making up the rules. and many of us understand that we cannot force FAITH or belief in God but we do also think that God's moral standards of living are binding on all people. Some items are nonnegogiables like murder, and the death penalty is acceptable but mercy is not ruled out. Other itmes Are more flexible and more mercy might be in order but and it's debatable how far some folks will/should try to impose Christian morals living in the law.
you don't have to be a Christian to be told not to Steal or Defraud, Kidnap etc..
But God promotes freedom outside of certain moral constraints.

As far as the Jews are concerned
it's my understanding that the LAW of the Moses the Torah was for the land of Israel. They NEVER exported the law to other nations by force and always practices their faith among themselves and converts within foreign cultures without physical threats. The land of isreal Bibliaclly is MUCH larger than the area they occupy now though so If they claimed more land By Force it might NOT be considered outside of their faith by many Jews... and Christians for that matter.




Unfortunately, there are those who believe it is their duty to pass judgement. Often in the name of our Lord and Savior.
They directly conflict with God when he said "I am the God of all people."
Allah said that God has many names. The Christian God also says He has many names.
It is only the less knowing and less tolerant who attempt to see it otherwise.
:facepalm99:
If the Bible says something clearly and people disagree they can.
But many Christians will verbally point it out the conflict with Scripture and if the activity is bad enough we'll possible even try to get the activity stopped or dampened. If you've got a problem with that sorry. Christians are not told to lay down for everything if we have opputunity to make a difference for good even though some folks disagree.

"The Christian God also says He has many names."
You got verse to go with that Gab?
Yes, God has many names but he doesn't claim or go by every name people want to put on him.
Only people who want to make God fit their own fantasy attempt to see it otherwise.


I don't see why any religious person should ever concern themselves with what I do, as regards the rules they chose to live by.

If someone is thinks it insults The Lord to work on Sundays, or finds it disrespectful to depict a prophet, they're welcome to not work on Sundays or draw prophets, but as soon as they put those limitations on other people, they enter the realm of stupidity. At which point they should be laughed at.

Depending on the religion it may COMMAND that it be concerned with what you do.


The Atheist Sam Harris can see the distinctions in various religions, in that some truly are "religions of peace" while others are religions of war and blood.

the Amish are taught never to resist in war or to force religion on others in anyway. while Islam Is not like that.

All due respect to jafars Rebut of people converting to Islam. While they may have found what they think is good.
the problem is not for those that Convert to Islam.
the Problem is for those that want to LEAVE IT.
Many people that want to leave Islam are Afraid of that their OWN FAMILY MEMBERS will KILL THEM.
-A christian would be Extremely disappointed and in tears if a family member left the faith. but Kill them? that's INSANE to a Christian.
-A Jew might Disown and consider them as dead to the family -metaphorically- but Kill them outright , uh NO.

Islam is not kind.

[Voted4Reagan]

Thanks to you as well Gabby. If you insist with all of your gobbelygoop above. Say whatever trips your trigger, and makes you feel so much smarter than the average bear.
Look at all of the accusations you used above. A good sign that a liberal, non-thinker is nearby, and trying to impress SELF by making such standard accusations to cover up your own educational, and mental challenges.
Thanks again.

I think you just invented a new word to describe the Liberal Tripe that spews from Gabbys Frothing ever running Pie-Hole..

GABBLE-D-GOOK!!!

(PIE-HOLE is a reference to ones MOUTH...not any other Body Part) lol

[jimnyc]

Sure are varying insults and ideas of insults, what is perceived as insults and what is contained in literature and holy books. People don't want religion pushed on them and aren't thrilled about religion in general. For the most part, this is all verbal. But at what point does religion, and insults, or religious insults carry over into violence? And while violence stems from religion in various parts of the world, and even various parts of the USA - which religion calls for violence based on certain religious insults?

How many religions are there in this world? Apply these questions equally to ALL of them...

1) What if you make general insults about this religion?
2) What if you insult the "holy book" from this religion?
3) What if you insult "leaders" of this religion?
4) What if you insult current leaders of this religion, or those espousing the greatness of that religion?
5) And if you insult past "Gods" that this religion looks up to?
6) In today's society, if someone insults another who follows that religion?
7) What is someone wants to leave that faith and follow another?

[Voted4Reagan]

is Liberalism a RELIGION or a CULT?

[revelarts]

Sure are varying insults and ideas of insults, what is perceived as insults and what is contained in literature and holy books. People don't want religion pushed on them and aren't thrilled about religion in general. For the most part, this is all verbal. But at what point does religion, and insults, or religious insults carry over into violence? And while violence stems from religion in various parts of the world, and even various parts of the USA - which religion calls for violence based on certain religious insults?

How many religions are there in this world? Apply these questions equally to ALL of them...




1) What if you make general insults about this religion?
Christianity: that's bad but understandable in some context.
but ultimately forgiveness applies

2) What if you insult the "holy book" from this religion?
Christianity: that's VERY bad but depending on which "Christians" you talk talk too varys in the extreme. some might agree with the insults. Others will just think your an ignorant and don't know any better and ask God to have mercy on your soul for your blasphemy because you've foolishly dared to insult the word of the living God.
but ultimately forgiveness applies

3) What if you insult "leaders" of this religion?
Christianity: If your talking about an apostle or a prophet there actions were never perfect, the oinsult might have a point. But still like George Washington magnified you can criticize if you like but if i look at the insulter by comparison were not impressed.
forgiveness applies

4) What if you insult current leaders of this religion, or those espousing the greatness of that religion?
Christianity: that's bad but understandable in some context. It's a pain but they are just men. Except to some roman Catholics might think otherwise concerning the pope. But as a protestant he's just another man in my book.
forgiveness applies

5) And if you insult past "Gods" that this religion looks up to?
Christianity: There's only one God and it'd be Blasphemey and we ask and strongly encourage you not to do it because God don't like and we don't like. But ultimately Gods gonna punish you not us.
forgiveness applies

6) In today's society, if someone insults another who follows that religion?
that's bad but understandable in some context. And we are told to expect it. It's a pain but they we are just men. Jesus said "You will be hated by everyone because of me, ".
but ultimately forgiveness applies


7) What is someone wants to leave that faith and follow another?
already answered that

[Roo]

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

Well aren't you just a little irony machine, you are one of the single hate filled people on this site.

In fairness though you are tame by web standards.

[cadet]

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

I sit behind anonymous names on a message board because it's not right to talk about politics in ROTC. and it doesn't seem right to comment about my political views with the person that's going to help me defend the US.

False patriotism? I'm damn proud to be an American. I'm going into the military because i love it so much! I'm free to do whatever i want. (I will admit, if i could, i'd live in Ireland, they have their shit strait.)

Hate spewing my ass. the only people i hate are the one's that think they're better then me, and walk around with that pompous "Kiss the ground where i walk" view on life. Or the, "I'm right, and you're wrong because you're stupid." people. ^^

And, ever foreigner I've met is surprised. Because i'm actually very nice to them, despite the hateful views you feel the need to spread (Hateful gun slinging rednecks) I don't eat McDonalds, ever. I do own a gun, in case someone tries to rob me. I stay in shape, i'm not a total loser who lives on the street, and I don't cram my views down people's throats. (On here yes, it lets me get it out of my system)


And to your other post about christians not "Living" their religion. I do, every day. I'm kind, i listen, and all i want to do is help people. Be there for the person that needs me, and stand up for those who can't do for themselves.

You, gab, must not have any patriotism for your country. Since you're so willing to sell us over as moron hateful dipshits, while you can do no wrong. From your words, i could assume that you'd sell out your own mother just to get off the hook.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I sit behind anonymous names on a message board because it's not right to talk about politics in ROTC. and it doesn't seem right to comment about my political views with the person that's going to help me defend the US.

False patriotism? I'm damn proud to be an American. I'm going into the military because i love it so much! I'm free to do whatever i want. (I will admit, if i could, i'd live in Ireland, they have their shit strait.)

Hate spewing my ass. the only people i hate are the one's that think they're better then me, and walk around with that pompous "Kiss the ground where i walk" view on life. Or the, "I'm right, and you're wrong because you're stupid." people. ^^

And, ever foreigner I've met is surprised. Because i'm actually very nice to them, despite the hateful views you feel the need to spread (Hateful gun slinging rednecks) I don't eat McDonalds, ever. I do own a gun, in case someone tries to rob me. I stay in shape, i'm not a total loser who lives on the street, and I don't cram my views down people's throats. (On here yes, it lets me get it out of my system)


And to your other post about christians not "Living" their religion. I do, every day. I'm kind, i listen, and all i want to do is help people. Be there for the person that needs me, and stand up for those who can't do for themselves.

You, gab, must not have any patriotism for your country. Since you're so willing to sell us over as moron hateful dipshits, while you can do no wrong. From your words, i could assume that you'd sell out your own mother just to get off the hook.

Bravo!--:beer: :salute: :beer:--Tyr

[Noir]

And to your other post about christians not "Living" their religion. I do, every day. I'm kind, i listen, and all i want to do is help people. Be there for the person that needs me, and stand up for those who can't do for themselves.

Well what'd ya know, apparently I'm living the Christian life afterall xD

[Noir]

Depending on the religion it may COMMAND that it be concerned with what you do.

The Atheist Sam Harris can see the distinctions in various religions, in that some truly are "religions of peace" while others are religions of war and blood.

the Amish are taught never to resist in war or to force religion on others in anyway. while Islam Is not like that.

All due respect to jafars Rebut of people converting to Islam. While they may have found what they think is good.
the problem is not for those that Convert to Islam.
the Problem is for those that want to LEAVE IT.
Many people that want to leave Islam are Afraid of that their OWN FAMILY MEMBERS will KILL THEM.
-A christian would be Extremely disappointed and in tears if a family member left the faith. but Kill them? that's INSANE to a Christian.
-A Jew might Disown and consider them as dead to the family -metaphorically- but Kill them outright , uh NO.

Islam is not kind.

Indeed, because of course the problem is dogmatism, under the guidance religion. The dogmatism that leads to Muslims committing 'honor killings' or Catholics denying birth-control and disease prevention. Death and disease, by decree of moral judgement.

[jimnyc]

Indeed, because of course the problem is dogmatism, under the guidance religion. The dogmatism that leads to Muslims committing 'honor killings' or Catholics denying birth-control and disease prevention. Death and disease, by decree of moral judgement.

I can see how they're on the same page together, at least if you're a hater or Christianity anyway. :rolleyes:

[Noir]

I can see how they're on the same page together, at least if you're a hater or Christianity anyway. :rolleyes:

You dn't think the dogmatic belief that is a) preventing the spread of disease, and increasingly b) preventing rapes, is a problem? I do.

[jimnyc]

You dn't think the dogmatic belief that is a) preventing the spread of disease, and increasingly b) preventing rapes, is a problem? I do.

I don't think murder and condoms are even on the same planet. One is pre-meditated killing of another human being. The Catholic position is pro-life, not in any way trying to set out to kill people. But I can see how you make the relation!

[Noir]

I don't think murder and condoms are even on the same planet. One is pre-meditated killing of another human being. The Catholic position is pro-life, not in any way trying to set out to kill people. But I can see how you make the relation!

The catholic church's stance causes disease spread and denies rape prevention.

I'm not saying being raped is worse than being murdered, but it's not exactly desirable.

[jimnyc]

The catholic church's stance causes disease spread and denies rape prevention.

I'm not saying being raped is worse than being murdered, but it's not exactly desirable.

And all I'm saying is to place murder on the same sentence as something less than desirable, is ludicrous. At least separate them apart and explain your stance against each, but to place them on the same plane is laughable. And I really don't see how the Catholic church is causing rape in any way, shape or form. You stretch their stance like salt water taffy to make them guilty, and then try and make it equivalent to outright murder.

[jimnyc]

Noir, your stance is akin to the people blaming guns for murder when it's the people using them, the nutters, that are responsible for these deaths. If the Catholic church is against condoms and other means of preventing pregnancy, that hardly makes them responsible in any way at all if a woman is raped and gets pregnant as a result, that's the fault of the rapist. If a woman gets a disease, and spreads it as a result, or anything at all pertaining to this disease, in no way at all is the responsibility of the Church. People need individual responsibility. The Church is not to blame for these things, no matter how far you stretch the taffy. All you're doing is taking some blame away from the actual "guilty" people and trying to lay it at the feet of the Catholic church, because you don't like them. That is about as transparent as Obama's promise to be transparent.

[Noir]

And all I'm saying is to place murder on the same sentence as something less than desirable, is ludicrous. At least separate them apart and explain your stance against each, but to place them on the same plane is laughable. And I really don't see how the Catholic church is causing rape in any way, shape or form. You stretch their stance like salt water taffy to make them guilty, and then try and make it equivalent to outright murder.

Yeah, lets have a debate about how much worse murder is than rape, because that's interesting...

Anyways, as regards the issue, the church is not causing rape, however it is preventing women from protecting themselves from rape, and as such is rape enabling. And as a bouns, the women are told that if they are raped, and unlucky enough to get preggers, then can not have an abortion, because someone decided that's what god would want.

[Noir]

Noir, your stance is akin to the people blaming guns for murder when it's the people using them, the nutters, that are responsible for these deaths. If the Catholic church is against condoms and other means of preventing pregnancy, that hardly makes them responsible in any way at all if a woman is raped and gets pregnant as a result, that's the fault of the rapist. If a woman gets a disease, and spreads it as a result, or anything at all pertaining to this disease, in no way at all is the responsibility of the Church. People need individual responsibility. The Church is not to blame for these things, no matter how far you stretch the taffy. All you're doing is taking some blame away from the actual "guilty" people and trying to lay it at the feet of the Catholic church, because you don't like them. That is about as transparent as Obama's promise to be transparent.

So women need to exercise personal responsibility, and not get raped...erm...

[jimnyc]

Yeah, lets have a debate about how much worse murder is than rape, because that's interesting...

Anyways, as regards the issue, the church is not causing rape, however it is preventing women from protecting themselves from rape, and as such is rape enabling. And as a bouns, the women are told that if they are raped, and unlucky enough to get preggers, then can not have an abortion, because someone decided that's what god would want.

Anything to condemn the Church, huh? Even if you look downright ridiculous in the process? LOL

Someone pulls out a gun and shoots another human being, that is murder. The other people have CHOICE and the rapist committing the crime has NOTHING to do with the church, not even remotely.

And rape enabling? Holy shit that is fucking funny! That's 'enabling people to rape", which is not even close to happening. Do you even comprehend at your age yet what enabling means? Because making claims that the Catholic church is somehow enabling criminals, and worse, rapists, is perhaps one of the dumbest arguments you've come up with here.

You're an atheist, and obviously against the Catholic church. So if someone gets pregnant as a result of listening to you speak, it's certainly partly your fault. You're an unwanted pregnancy enabler! :lol:

[jimnyc]

So women need to exercise personal responsibility, and not get raped...erm...

Nice try at twisting my words. I was very clearly talking about women getting disease from their participation in sex. If a person is wholly responsible for their own actions, they won't get these diseases and therefore won't spread them.

But the relation between the Catholic church, and a person who rapes someone - well there is no relation actually, not even in the slightest.

[Gaffer]

Yeah, lets have a debate about how much worse murder is than rape, because that's interesting...

Anyways, as regards the issue, the church is not causing rape, however it is preventing women from protecting themselves from rape, and as such is rape enabling. And as a bouns, the women are told that if they are raped, and unlucky enough to get preggers, then can not have an abortion, because someone decided that's what god would want.

Your Irish Protestant is showing. Again. :poke:

[Noir]

Your Irish Protestant is showing. Again. :poke:

I'm neither Irish, or protestant.

[Drummond]

I see your negative hate videos and raise you..... positive and happy ones of people who converted to Islam including....

A former Priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfzFYEOVDgM

A random guy on the street who had just become a Catholic but is a Muslim!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aaRfU3axpA

And a Hindu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MBSmpDlL4w

And a Buddhist who converted to Islam after studying the Bible!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDADMlUsb8w

And 52 famous converts to Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RawbaoXJ2e8

So, what's next to be added to this collection ? A video or two of Osama bin Laden (or Zawahiri, or whoever's won the Jihadist of the Month award) ... spewing threats against the West ?

Because - Mod actions notwithstanding, of course .. in theory, it could be ...

There is propaganda, there is deception, there is ALSO the unvarnished truth. Videos exist to convince the watcher that each is correct.

But they say that actions speak louder than words. Indeed, the world has seen some very notable actions .. hasn't it ?

Here's just a selection of those actions ...

•2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
•2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
•2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 11 German tourists.
•2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
•2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
•2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
•2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
•2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
•2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
•2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
•2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
•2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound, killing 17.
•2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
•2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
•2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,500.
•2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
•2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
•2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
•2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
•2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.

Guess who committed those 'actions', Jafar.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884893.html

Maybe it's not a 'positive' truth, Jafar, but it is, undeniably, the truth.

[Noir]

Anything to condemn the Church, huh? Even if you look downright ridiculous in the process? LOL

Someone pulls out a gun and shoots another human being, that is murder. The other people have CHOICE and the rapist committing the crime has NOTHING to do with the church, not even remotely.

And rape enabling? Holy shit that is fucking funny! That's 'enabling people to rape", which is not even close to happening. Do you even comprehend at your age yet what enabling means? Because making claims that the Catholic church is somehow enabling criminals, and worse, rapists, is perhaps one of the dumbest arguments you've come up with here.

You're an atheist, and obviously against the Catholic church. So if someone gets pregnant as a result of listening to you speak, it's certainly partly your fault. You're an unwanted pregnancy enabler! :lol:

If i'm walking down a street, and i see a woman getting raped, and i do nothing to stop the rape, then i am enabling the rape.

The catholic chruches policy on birth control prevents women from protecting themselves from being raped, again, enabling.

[Noir]

Nice try at twisting my words. I was very clearly talking about women getting disease from their participation in sex. If a person is wholly responsible for their own actions, they won't get these diseases and therefore won't spread them.

But the relation between the Catholic church, and a person who rapes someone - well there is no relation actually, not even in the slightest.

No relation? So the Catholic church does not tell women to not wear anti-rape condoms?

[jimnyc]

Too funny, too lame, too hilarious and too much stretching of reality in here for me. "anti-rape condoms" <---- I thought I read all the hilarity the internet had to offer, but one more has been added. Now I need a better laugh, as I'm going to scan the internet for a few minutes and see if I can find some "pro-rape condoms". I suppose those are the ones with little holes poked in them, or maybe perfume based attracting rapists. This makes for good discussion the next time I talk to my cop friend. I wonder if rapists hang out around Catholic churches, knowing that they support rapists there and can find some easy targets.

[jimnyc]

Here's just a selection of those actions ...

There have been over 19,000 "terror" related attacks according to the religion of peace.com website, which Muslims just love to dismiss. Even if you dismiss 50% of the stuff there for no reason at all, that's still well over 9,000 attacks. Their list and stories are always dismissed. The truth hurts. And yes, I know atrocities happen everywhere, but the entire world, outside of Islam... combine all of the terror attacks and attacks related to religion/faith, add them all up into one category, and they still don't come remotely close to the amount in Islam. I'll revert back to Egypt once again as an example, and that's just assault on women. 80+% of women claim to have been abused. 50+% of men admit to abusing the women.

[Thunderknuckles]

The catholic chruches policy on birth control prevents women from protecting themselves from being raped, again, enabling.
You must have badly articulated that statement. Surely you meant to say that church policy against birth control prevents women from protecting themselves against the possibility of pregnancy resulting from a rape? In any case, it's a bit of a stretch. One voluntarily joins a church and has the power to strictly follow doctrine or not. No Catholic church can prevent you from making your own decisions.

[Noir]

Too funny, too lame, too hilarious and too much stretching of reality in here for me. "anti-rape condoms" <---- I thought I read all the hilarity the internet had to offer, but one more has been added. Now I need a better laugh, as I'm going to scan the internet for a few minutes and see if I can find some "pro-rape condoms". I suppose those are the ones with little holes poked in them, or maybe perfume based attracting rapists. This makes for good discussion the next time I talk to my cop friend. I wonder if rapists hang out around Catholic churches, knowing that they support rapists there and can find some easy targets.

Maybe you should spend your time searching the Internet for the anti-rape female condom instead.

[Noir]

You must have badly articulated that statement. Surely you meant to say that church policy against birth control prevents women from protecting themselves against the possibility of pregnancy resulting from a rape? In any case, it's a bit of a stretch. One voluntarily joins a church and has the power to strictly follow doctrine or not. No Catholic church can prevent you from making your own decisions.

Nope, the churches anti-condom policy, which extends to female condoms, makes rapes more likely, and possible.
And sure in more educated countries, like ours, we can more or less ignore most of the things the church says, but in poorer countries, especially the African nations, the church has much more influence over what people do.

Of course this is not limited to Catholics, the very existence of Polio today is traceable to Muslim leaders spreading the lie that the vaccine that would of eradicated it was a plot by the West to infect their children with something or other.

[Thunderknuckles]

Nope, the churches anti-condom policy, which extends to female condoms, makes rapes more likely, and possible. .
How does not wearing a condom make you more susceptible to rape?
That makes no sense.

[jimnyc]

You must have badly articulated that statement. Surely you meant to say that church policy against birth control prevents women from protecting themselves against the possibility of pregnancy resulting from a rape? In any case, it's a bit of a stretch. One voluntarily joins a church and has the power to strictly follow doctrine or not. No Catholic church can prevent you from making your own decisions.

Suppose you're an active and faithful Christian. You have a 15yr old girl and you're trying to raise her properly. She's not even in a relationship at this young of an age. But you do raise her as well to be a good Christian. She asks questions of her parents because she trusts them, as any good child should. A parent explains to their child why the Catholic church frowns upon condoms. The father explains this, and further explains to her that she should be in a 100% committed relationship before becoming sexually active.

He has just increased the chances of his daughter getting raped. He has enabled the possibility of rape of his own child. Somehow these rapists know, and of course they prefer to rape the women who don't use condoms. Bad parenting 101.

[jimnyc]

How does not wearing a condom make you more susceptible to rape?
That makes no sense.

Of course it does, we all know that rapists hang out by churches preying upon those who don't believe in condoms!

But seriously, that's been my thinking. A rapist sets out to do what a rapist does - how in the fuck does he know who uses any type of birth control? The only people who would ever want to make this leap of rubbish are "Anti-Christians". And I won't name names, but we even have one here who has posted at every single little opportunity to take a swipe at Christianity! :lol:

[Noir]

How does not wearing a condom make you more susceptible to rape?
That makes no sense.

No, I mean the woman wearing a female condom greatly reduces the chance of her being raped. Reducing both the risk of attack and the damage caused by an attempted attack.

[jimnyc]

Sure, because all the rapists out there keep lists of which women have condoms and which don't, this way they know who to avoid. :rolleyes:

The ONLY benefit possible in such a scenario is protection for the woman if she is in fact raped. Unless a rapist does in fact have this secret list of "protected women", it won't prevent a rape in any way at all.

[jimnyc]

Outside of the terrible Christians, our government should work towards ensuring all women receive female condoms, to help lower the amount of rapes in our nation. :thumb:

[Thunderknuckles]

No, I mean the woman wearing a female condom greatly reduces the chance of her being raped. Reducing both the risk of attack and the damage caused by an attempted attack.
Is this a British thing?
I still don't get the "math" on this one.
My wife has not used any form of contraception in years. Has her chances of being raped gone up since then?
If so, I guess I better buy her some "rape shields" bere letting her outdoors again :p

[Noir]

Is this a British thing?
I still don't get the "math" on this one.
My wife has not used any form of contraception in years. Has her chances of being raped gone up since then?
If so, I guess I better buy her some "rape shields" bere letting her outdoors again :p

It's not so much a problem for westernized countries, moreso African nations.

But the maths is very simple. If a guy in a village decides he's going to rape a woman, he will be more likely to rape if he knows that his victim is told, from the pulpit, that contraception is a sin. Because he knows the woman will be less likey to be wearing anti-rape condoms...I don't see where the confusion is =/

[CSM]

It's not so much a problem for westernized countries, moreso African nations.

But the maths is very simple. If a guy in a village decides he's going to rape a woman, he will be more likely to rape if he knows that his victim is told, from the pulpit, that contraception is a sin. Because he knows the woman will be less likey to be wearing anti-rape condoms...I don't see where the confusion is =/


Seriously??? Seriously???

Please tell us which condoms are advertised as prophylactic against rape. I am sure at least half the population of the planet would be interested!

This is a mighty big stretch, even for you.

[Thunderknuckles]

It's not so much a problem for westernized countries, moreso African nations.

But the maths is very simple. If a guy in a village decides he's going to rape a woman, he will be more likely to rape if he knows that his victim is told, from the pulpit, that contraception is a sin. Because he knows the woman will be less likey to be wearing anti-rape condoms...I don't see where the confusion is =/
So l looked up "anti-rape" condom and now I get it. The problem is, this is not a contraceptive device, it's a hardcore "Chastity Belt" which the Catholic Church should absolutely adore!
:laugh:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-20/news/27067702_1_female-condom-ehlers-axe

Seriously, once this thing gets embedded in a man's penis, it can only be removed by a doctor!?

[CSM]

So l looked up "anti-rape" condom and now I get it. The problem is, this is not a contraceptive device, it's a hardcore "Chastity Belt" which the Catholic Church should absolutely adore!
:laugh:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-20/news/27067702_1_female-condom-ehlers-axe

Seriously, once this thing gets embedded in a man's penis, it can only be removed by a doctor!?

Hmmm. False teeth for women!

[jimnyc]

It made for a halfway decent movie too!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780622/

[revelarts]

So l looked up "anti-rape" condom and now I get it. The problem is, this is not a contraceptive device, it's a hardcore "Chastity Belt" which the Catholic Church should absolutely adore!
:laugh:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-20/news/27067702_1_female-condom-ehlers-axe

Seriously, once this thing gets embedded in a man's penis, it can only be removed by a doctor!?

YEOW!!
that's what you call a deterrent! That's not a condom that's a weapon!
What sermons have you heard that women shouldn't get one of those?
WOW.
Heck Choir boys should use um too. Keep all the potential targets safe.
thing looks like a baby Piranha.



But Noir I'm not sure about you rapist thinking process, "oboy I'm gonna get busy and rape sumbody, let me go to church and find a good Catholic girl because all the secular women at the bars and malls are wearing hellish booby traps."

I think that's a stretch man.
Calling that the RC prohibition on contraceptives is a dark invitation to rapist is a bit far fetched my friend.

I mean c'mon, the RC regular prohibition on some meats and the christian general practice of fasting, is killing people because the some food producers work on such a tight margin that the lack of sales causes them to go bankrupt and DIE.

[Noir]

But Noir I'm not sure about you rapist thinking process, "oboy I'm gonna get busy and rape sumbody, let me go to church and find a good Catholic girl because all the secular women at the bars and malls are wearing hellish booby traps."

As I'd said, this relates more to African nations, we're you're unlikely to find many secualar people hanging anywhere, and where religion still is important (not like the typical westernized Catholic who's all 'only eat fish on a Friday...unless you forget')

[Drummond]

There have been over 19,000 "terror" related attacks according to the religion of peace.com website, which Muslims just love to dismiss. Even if you dismiss 50% of the stuff there for no reason at all, that's still well over 9,000 attacks. Their list and stories are always dismissed. The truth hurts. And yes, I know atrocities happen everywhere, but the entire world, outside of Islam... combine all of the terror attacks and attacks related to religion/faith, add them all up into one category, and they still don't come remotely close to the amount in Islam. I'll revert back to Egypt once again as an example, and that's just assault on women. 80+% of women claim to have been abused. 50+% of men admit to abusing the women.

Many thanks for this, Jim. 19,000 ? Even I didn't realise there were that many such attacks.

I'd like to see Jafar's response to that ...

[jimnyc]

So this isn't what I thought, which was the Catholic church being against condoms or another form of birth control. This is about a specific "device" known as an anti-rape condom, which I thought was a term for something else. This device would seemingly do some serious damage to a man if he was stupid enough to rape a woman wearing one.

Noir - can you show me where the Catholic Church has stood against the use of these devices? I'd like to read more on the context of the wording when they spoke out against these devices. And since they're accused of enabling rape by not allowing them...

Also, it would appear the Church is even coming around a little bit on regular condoms.


After decades of fierce opposition to the use of all contraception, the Pontiff has ended the Church’s absolute ban on the use of condoms.

He said it was acceptable to use a prophylactic when the sole intention was to “reduce the risk of infection” from Aids.

While he restated the Catholic Church’s staunch objections to contraception because it believes that it interferes with the creation of life, he argued that using a condom to preserve life and avoid death could be a responsible act – even outside marriage.

Asked whether “the Catholic Church is not fundamentally against the use of condoms,” he replied: “It of course does not see it as a real and moral solution. In certain cases, where the intention is to reduce the risk of infection, it can nevertheless be a first step on the way to another, more humane sexuality.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html

[jimnyc]

Many thanks for this, Jim. 19,000 ? Even I didn't realise there were that many such attacks.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

A lot will be dismissed. Excuses will be found and the messenger, the site, will of course be accused of being a hate site, or biased. It very well may be a hate site, and sure does look like they are biased. But what matters is the totals and if they are even remotely accurate. Because at the end of the day, what matters, is that there are perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths listed there and more, and a Muslim or Muslims are behind all of them.

Here are breakdowns by years:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2001-2003.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2004.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2006.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2007.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2008.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2009.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2011.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2012.htm

Then let's set aside that site. Another overwhelming list. Here is a list of terror attacks just in Pakistan since 2001:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_since_2001 <---- Be prepared for a LONG list when you open this page!!

Now a fun little excursion, and don't take my word for it, peruse them yourself and see who and where so many of them are... This is yet another list of terror incidents, from 2001 till current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2012

A handful of foiled attacks in America since 2001, this was only as of 2008 - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335500,00.html

[aboutime]

As I'd said, this relates more to African nations, we're you're unlikely to find many secualar people hanging anywhere, and where religion still is important (not like the typical westernized Catholic who's all 'only eat fish on a Friday...unless you forget')



That's really funny, and very Old stuff Noir. That Catholics 'only eat fish on a Friday' thing was dragged out of some old, dusty attic, or basement. Since the Fish Only Friday thing hasn't been used for years.
As for relating more to African nations. Do you happen to remember where EGYPT, LIBYA and ALGERIA happen to be? And where might the Muslim Brotherhood be setting up shop these days?
And let's not forget Somalia...ya know. On the Red Sea, below the Suez Canal Zone and Pirates?

[darin]

But the maths is very simple. If a guy in a village decides he's going to rape a woman, he will be more likely to rape if he knows that his victim is told, from the pulpit, that contraception is a sin. Because he knows the woman will be less likey to be wearing anti-rape condoms...I don't see where the confusion is =/

That is seriously the most-stupid, idiotic and asinine comment I believe i've read online in 3 years. Noir...brother...really. c'mon now.

[aboutime]

That is seriously the most-stupid, idiotic and asinine comment I believe i've read online in 3 years. Noir...brother...really. c'mon now.


dmp. And here we were. Thinking Gabby was all alone with that kind of thinking from the left.

Somebody please. Wake me up after November 6th, at midnight. This crap is so deep. A snowplow couldn't move it out of the way.

[Indofred]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GjtMsEnTbg&list=UU1YW-nn1tGEGeoLI--Z5ZAw&index=8&feature=plcp

[Noir]

That is seriously the most-stupid, idiotic and asinine comment I believe i've read online in 3 years. Noir...brother...really. c'mon now.

...do you think a man is more or less likely to rape a woman if he knows she's free to wear anti-rape condoms?

[jimnyc]

...do you think a man is more or less likely to rape a woman if he knows she's free to wear anti-rape condoms?

IF HE KNOWS being the key phrase. How are these people supposed to know? Will the women wearing them be advertising as much? And even if the entire world is "free to wear" them, as if they aren't already, how will a rapist know? You've already stated how it will increase or decrease the likelihood depending on whether or not they have one.

And you must have missed my question. I can't seem to find it anywhere, but you said the Catholic Church is against these anti-rape devices, can you share with is where they said this, or who said it?

[jimnyc]

http://bit.ly/O6NwmI
(http://bit.ly/O6NwmI)

Assistance for this having difficulty backing up their comments. This will bring you right to the non-existent results. :coffee: :lol: :laugh2:

[darin]

...do you think a man is more or less likely to rape a woman if he knows she's free to wear anti-rape condoms?


That's a flawed question. If I man is going to rape a woman, and he knows some women wear them, he'll simply look for them. If she has it, he'll rape her anally - or wherever else he can get the sex.

Question for you - do you think women will now rape men with the goal of maming?

[jimnyc]

That's a flawed question. If I man is going to rape a woman, and he knows some women wear them, he'll simply look for them. If she has it, he'll rape her anally - or wherever else he can get the sex.

Question for you - do you think women will now rape men with the goal of maming?

What about you, Darin, are you aware of the Church speaking out against these anti-rape devices? I know you are much more knowledgeable on the subject than I am, but my searches are coming up empty.

[Thunderknuckles]

What about you, Darin, are you aware of the Church speaking out against these anti-rape devices? I know you are much more knowledgeable on the subject than I am, but my searches are coming up empty.

I think Noir is getting hung up on wording of "anti-rape condom". Because they use the word "Condom", it is therefore a contraceptive and thus the Catholic Church must be against them.
As we all know now, these devices are neither condoms nor are they contraceptives. The purpose of these devices is to prohibit vaginal sexual intercourse with a female period. Unless a female is married, I cannot conceive how the Catholic Church would be against the devices in theory. I would dare say the medieval Catholic Church would have made them mandatory apparel for all females up until their wedding night :laugh:

[jimnyc]

I think Noir is getting hung up on wording of "anti-rape condom". Because they use the word "Condom", it is therefore a contraceptive and thus the Catholic Church must be against them.
As we all know now, these devices are neither condoms nor are they contraceptives. The purpose of these devices is to prohibit vaginal sexual intercourse with a female period. Unless a female is married, I cannot conceive how the Catholic Church would be against the devices in theory. I would dare say the medieval Catholic Church would have made them mandatory apparel for all females up until their wedding night :laugh:

Agree 100%. But I still say it won't increase or decrease rape, as unless people using them actually advertise as much, rapists will never know. Also, he knows the difference between this device and a regular condom, as he's the one who pointed it out. And it was also him that stated/implied that the Catholic Church is against such a "condom". This device has nothing at all to do with birth control, nothing to do with the Church, the Church never even chimed in on such a device. Also, this device would only wreak harm on a rapist if they're dumb enough to rape someone who is wearing one, not prevent. And lastly, the Church is not "enabling rape" in any way whatsoever, whether talking about this device or anything else for that matter.

[Roo]

It's not so much a problem for westernized countries, moreso African nations.

But the maths is very simple. If a guy in a village decides he's going to rape a woman, he will be more likely to rape if he knows that his victim is told, from the pulpit, that contraception is a sin. Because he knows the woman will be less likey to be wearing anti-rape condoms...I don't see where the confusion is =/

WTF?

I am scratching my balls and trying to understand this.

[Thunderknuckles]

Agree 100%. But I still say it won't increase or decrease rape, as unless people using them actually advertise as much, rapists will never know. Also, he knows the difference between this device and a regular condom, as he's the one who pointed it out. And it was also him that stated/implied that the Catholic Church is against such a "condom". This device has nothing at all to do with birth control, nothing to do with the Church, the Church never even chimed in on such a device. Also, this device would only wreak harm on a rapist if they're dumb enough to rape someone who is wearing one, not prevent. And lastly, the Church is not "enabling rape" in any way whatsoever, whether talking about this device or anything else for that matter.
Agreed.
I think we've tackled the Catholic Church angle on this one.

As for whether or not it decreases rape, I am going to play devil's advocate here:
If an armed citizenry is a deterrent to crime, does it not follow that a female population armed with these penile "wood chippers" is a deterrent to rape?

[Roo]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/rapex.asp

The "anti-rape" condom is a bit of a myth.

[jimnyc]

Agreed.
I think we've tackled the Catholic Church angle on this one.

Yeppers, when the person making accusations and statement of fact disappears and don't want to acknowledge when proven wrong, they have indirectly proven themselves wrong. :)

[Drummond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GjtMsEnTbg&list=UU1YW-nn1tGEGeoLI--Z5ZAw&index=8&feature=plcp

.. not quite sure what to make of this. Judging by the accent .. is this what they're dreaming up in Yorkshire these days ?

[red state]

What in the world did the filming of obvious idiots (who knew NOTHING of Christianity or CHRIST) have to do with raising what I sent? My videos were not to show that only the religion of pieces convert to Christianity...mine, if you cared to show me the same courteousness that I showed you in watching them were the history of a brutal, tyrannical religion which keeps their cult together by force and by blindness to truth.

Not only are you ignorant of poker but you are also oblivious to keeping on topic. Show me a video (without nuts as the two top conversions were) and you may indeed beat my hand (not literally as with the religion of piece) FIGURATIVELY speaking as I'd probably let a little Cherokee out on you if you literally tried to beat my hand. That poor chap in the second video...there should be a law against pushing yourself on a mentally deficient person. Funny videos though...I kept expecting the guy with the mic in the second video to scream "Thankyee Jeezus! PraiZe Guuuawd!!" That poor chump probably could have met up with a Hindu on the next corner and thought he was a Hindu. HA!!!

3830

[red state]

WTF?

I am scratching my balls and trying to understand this.

Just don't try to figure it out...it's a waste of time and reasonable thought processes. WOW!!! Liberal thinking!

3831

[aboutime]

Just don't try to figure it out...it's a waste of time and reasonable thought processes. WOW!!! Liberal thinking!

3831


No way to figure it out. Cockney, trying to sound Muslim, or Indian? BIGFOOT?

[Kipper]

I am Atheist even I am Christianity.

Lutheran or Catholic I am Even I am from Nordic countries from beginning.

And first and second family are christians.

No gods help me with believe so I have one believe and that's Christianity.

[Kipper]

And you must have missed my question. I can't seem to find it anywhere, but you said the Catholic Church is against these anti-rape devices, can you share with is where they said this, or who said it?

Have visit Catholic Church one times with old friend first and second half from Poland and Iraq. He are Catholic. I weres Lutheran from beginning like my mother and hers sister and one death sister last soon eight year. From beginning 3 sisters and 3 brothers in my mothers christian family.

[Kipper]

Americans have a lot of love for others. But some have an equal amount of hate for those they don't understand.

My old polish, iraqi friend are Anti America.

[Kipper]

And there is nothing wrong with a little patriotism, but when that leads to a superiority complex, it's time to call in the shrink.



Little patriotism is normally. :cool: :lol:




:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Drummond]

My old polish, iraqi friend are Anti America.

Seems to me that your anti-American friend could do worse than to join here ?? I can guarantee you in advance that any anti-Americanism your friend will 'treat' anyone to, will be summarily demolished as the unacceptable, unjustifiable rubbish it truly WILL be.

Seriously, let's see if your friend has the courage of his/her convictions, and wants to test them out. Why not .. ?

[Drummond]

Little patriotism is normally. :cool: :lol:




:clap: :clap: :clap:

Jafar had his agenda.

[Drummond]

I am Atheist even I am Christianity.

Lutheran or Catholic I am Even I am from Nordic countries from beginning.

And first and second family are christians.

No gods help me with believe so I have one believe and that's Christianity.

I'm really struggling with this. Maybe I have too literal a mind (?) .. but surely, any Christian cannot possibly be an 'atheist' .. ???

Lutheranism is strong in Nordic countries ... I know this myself from my visit to Reykjavik a couple of decades ago. Their Lutheran Church is quite an impressive structure.

[Gunny]

Everyone has had their faith mocked at one time or another, to various degrees. Even atheists get mocked for their POV's, even if theirs is more of a scientific belief. But what are these insults and how do we respond? How are we taught to respond? Does your holy book address the issue?

If someone denies Jesus as our saviour, is that in insult, and how does one respond? What if someone makes lame jokes about him, or depicts him in a manner to make fun of him? What is someone goes out of their way to mock the Holy Bible in the worst of ways? What if someone made cartoons of Jesus, and the Bible, and "God" to them? What if someone were to protest in front of a Church, or at the Vatican?

What if someone were to do the same to Jews? And makes fun of their Torah, or Jewish holidays? Or protested at a synagogue and carried "picket signs" with depictions of things insulting the Jewish faith?

What if someone insults Islam, or Muslims in general? What if someone verbally made jokes and insulted Muhammed? Or drew pictures of him making fun of him? Or picketed in front of a Mosque with signs containing insults and pictures of Muhammed?

How different are the responses? How much difference does it make in which part of the world you are from? Do any of the holy books address any of these topics?

There is so much animosity in religion. We even see it here on DP almost on a daily basis. And it certainly doesn't seem like any religion is free from some sort of scorn. It just seems like everyone has a different idea as to what is allowed to be done, what can and cannot be insulted. Is it freedom of speech to protest any religion, or is that determined by where the protest is taking place?

Last question first. I don't kill anyone in the name of a God. That would set me apart from those that do.

And if you want to make fun of Christ, go for it. I think the goofiest crap in the world is he's a Semite; yet depicted as having blond hair and blue eyes. Last 6 times I was there they all had black buffalo wool for hair and unibrows.

If I want to insult Muhammed I'd just draw a pic of a man with his hand down a little boy's pants.

[Kipper]

Seems to me that your anti-American friend could do worse than to join here ?? I can guarantee you in advance that any anti-Americanism your friend will 'treat' anyone to, will be summarily demolished as the unacceptable, unjustifiable rubbish it truly WILL be.

I leave him in school 2004 then I go to mental house and serve asom food and cigaretts. :laugh: :lol:

[Gunny]

Seems to me that your anti-American friend could do worse than to join here ?? I can guarantee you in advance that any anti-Americanism your friend will 'treat' anyone to, will be summarily demolished as the unacceptable, unjustifiable rubbish it truly WILL be.

Seriously, let's see if your friend has the courage of his/her convictions, and wants to test them out. Why not .. ?

By all of us sweethearts? :laugh2:

[jimnyc]

Last question first. I don't kill anyone in the name of a God. That would set me apart from those that do.

And if you want to make fun of Christ, go for it. I think the goofiest crap in the world is he's a Semite; yet depicted as having blond hair and blue eyes. Last 6 times I was there they all had black buffalo wool for hair and unibrows.

If I want to insult Muhammed I'd just draw a pic of a man with his hand down a little boy's pants.

That post of mine was 3+ years ago. :thumb:

[Kipper]

2013 were long time ago yes please.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

2013 were long time ago yes please.

I insulted Islam long before then and do so now as it deserves far worse than mere insults!
It should be eradicated from the face of the earth IMHO.
Tis' based upon man's greed, lust, savagery and tendency to murder/rape and steal..
A damn cult called a religion...-TYR

[Drummond]

I leave him in school 2004 then I go to mental house and serve asom food and cigaretts. :laugh: :lol:

Get him the best treatment you can .. he's obviously in dire need of it !!

[Drummond]

By all of us sweethearts? :laugh2:

Heyy .. who better ?? :laugh2:

[Gunny]

That post of mine was 3+ years ago. :thumb:

You calling me slow? Bastard. It's as relevant now as it was then. I never claimed to pay attention.:laugh:

[Kipper]

I'm not a transmitter that is connected with other people , other things like this but I am a Christianity living for myself. Even more fun to live for myself. Available both Catholic and Lutheran hanging together like they were a lot of people but, no , I do not like that for myself. Krunoslav you take suicide.

:alcoholic:

[Kipper]

Like ortodoxer I am but I dislike every ortodox outside Russia. Biggest ortodoxer country with big nuclear arsenal. :cool:

[Perianne]

While it may not be nice in the politically correct world to make fun of Islam, some religions, races, cultures, etc. simply invite contemptuous ridicule, mockery, and insults. lol. Sucks to be them (in more ways than one).

[Drummond]

While it may not be nice in the politically correct world to make fun of Islam, some religions, races, cultures, etc. simply invite contemptuous ridicule, mockery, and insults. lol. Sucks to be them (in more ways than one).

First they invite it, then they bomb you to hell for it. Definitely 'mixed messages', I'm thinking ... :rolleyes:

[aboutime]

When anyone from ANY Other religious belief claims they are Insulted by my beliefs. I Am Insulted that they are even suggesting they are smart enough to understand what Insulted means! They Insult me for being so hate-filled, and hypocritical of their own LIES.

[red state]

:clap::clap::clap:
When anyone from ANY Other religious belief claims they are Insulted by my beliefs. I Am Insulted that they are even suggesting they are smart enough to understand what Insulted means! They Insult me for being so hate-filled, and hypocritical of their own LIES.:clap::clap::clap:


SPOT ON! Most of us truly could care less if you are part of a perverted movement that has distorted and corrupted good words such as gay or PRIDE and abuse symbols such as a beautiful rainbow OR push a cult of pieces such as iSLUM on a society but it is when THEY strive to force their beliefs that the trouble starts. I'll lumb the liberal pukes in there as well for they are the ones supporting iSLUM and perversions. They are also the ones who I feel are more of a threat than OBL could have ever been. I've made that statement for over 10 years now and will damn sure stick to it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

While it may not be nice in the politically correct world to make fun of Islam, some religions, races, cultures, etc. simply invite contemptuous ridicule, mockery, and insults. lol. Sucks to be them (in more ways than one).

F-THEM, THEY MURDER, RAPE, TORTURE , MOLEST LITTLE CHILDREN, BURN PEOPLE ALIVE ETC.
And we have idiots demanding that we not hurt their tender feelings!!
Those same infidels idiots defending them, they would kill in a heartbeat and not lose a wink of sleep over it.
FFing morons, appeasing cowards....
I do not know which is worse being 1. that blind, 2. that stupid or 3. that damn cowardly!!!
I suspect most of them are all three. -Tyr